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‘Get A Wife From Kashmir’: Article 370 news has sparked a horrible wave of misogyny

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In January this year, Saini had triggered a controversy by threatening to bomb “those who feel unsafe in this country”.

BJP MLA from Khatauli in Muzaffarnagar Vikram Singh Saini sparked a row Tuesday after he said the party workers were “excited” because they will now be able to get married to “fair girls from Kashmir”.

In a purported video that went viral, the MLA is seen speaking at an event to celebrate the scrapping of special status of Kashmir, in Katauli area of Muzaffarnagar.

The MLA said, “Karyakarta bahut utsuk hai aur jo kunwaare hai, unki shaadi wahi karva denge, koi dikkat nahi hai. Kya dikkat hai? Pehle wahaan mahilaon par kitna atyachar tha. Wahaan ki ladki agar kisi Uttar Pradesh ke chorey se shaadi kar le, toh uski nagrikta khatam. Bharat ki nagrikta alag, Kashmir ki alag… Aur jo Muslim karyakarta hai yahaan par, unko khushi manani chahiye… Shaadi wahaan karo na, Kashmiri gori ladki se. Khushi manani chahiye. Poore chahe Hindu, Musalman koi ho. Yeh poore desh ke liye utsah ka vishay hai. (The workers are very excited and those who are bachelors, they can get married there. There is no issue now. Earlier, there was lot of atrocities on women. If a woman from there [Kashmir] got married to a man from Uttar Pradesh, her citizenship would be revoked. There was different citizenship for India and Kashmir. And the Muslim workers should celebrate here. Get married there. To a fair Kashmiri girl. There should be celebrations. Everyone should celebrate… Be it Hindu or Muslims. This is something the entire country should be celebrating).”

Asked about his remarks, the MLA said he had said nothing wrong. “Now anyone can get married to a Kashmiri girl without any issue. That is all I said and it is the truth. This is freedom for the people of Kashmir. That is why we organised the event Tuesday. Now, Kashmiris have attained freedom,” the MLA told The Indian Express.

In January this year, Saini had triggered a controversy by threatening to bomb “those who feel unsafe in this country”. While talking to mediapersons at Rampur trijunction in Muzaffarnagar, the MLA said, “My personal view is that those who say they feel unsafe and threatened in India, should be bombed. Give me a ministry and I will bomb all such people. not even one will be spared.”

He later defended his remarks, saying that he was speaking in a language that is spoken in his village.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...ried-to-a-fair-kashmiri-girl-bjp-mla-5884310/
 
These guys need to shut up and stop giving such idiotic statements. They are helping no one.
 
Sick mentality.


Thank you Quaid e Azam for making Pakistan.


We are forever indebted.
 
There's actually an absurd clause in article 370 that says if a kashmiri woman wants to marry a non-kashmiri, their resulting children will not get to inherit the mother's property.

So, not only was this a deeply misogynistic law, it was a massive barrier to the natural cross-state social integration and assimilation that should have evolved over 7 decades.
 
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Not surprised. They are actually acting like their bh@khts or is it the opposite? Every changu mangu in India now thinks he can buy property in Kashmir. It will only be bought by top celebrities or billionaires like Ambani and Tata. :inti
 
There's actually an absurd clause in article 370 that says if a kashmiri woman wants to marry a non-kashmiri, their resulting children will not get to inherit the mother's property.

So, not only was this a deeply misogynistic law, it was a massive barrier to the natural cross-state social integration and assimilation that should have evolved over 7 decades.

It was done to ensure Kashmiri blood remains pure and does not mix with that of lower quality
 
For some reason they seem to have forgotten that the fair Kashmiri girl might also have some say in the matter.
 
Pakistanis living in Europe are thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan. He must have made it easier for them to live in Europe.
 
Pakistanis living in Europe are thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan. He must have made it easier for them to live in Europe.

It's the Butterfly Effect. Events in the past all lead to the present day, had Jinnah not created Pakistan, those Pakistanis in Europe might have been living in IOK with BJP ministers licking their lips at the prospect of fair Kashmiri girls on the menu.
 
Pakistanis living in Europe are thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan. He must have made it easier for them to live in Europe.

Yes, those Pakistanis are living in disputed territories of Europe.
 
Kashmiri blood will only become impure if a woman marries out and not a man? Interesting.

Well it is interesting also how the BJP MLA wasn't pointing out that fair Kashmiri men would also be available for Indian women. If you recall, there was a thread last year about a riot in India when locals suspected a girl of walking along with a Kashmiri man.
 
Would really love to see the day when leaders like this will be put behind bars by saying these sort of ****. But wait we won't have many leaders left then.
 
Pakistanis living in Europe are thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan. He must have made it easier for them to live in Europe.

Idiot, stop being insensitive. You are revealing the traitor you are with every post.
 
Well it is interesting also how the BJP MLA wasn't pointing out that fair Kashmiri men would also be available for Indian women. If you recall, there was a thread last year about a riot in India when locals suspected a girl of walking along with a Kashmiri man.

Those people are no different from the ones getting offended by this remark. They think women are their property.
 
Kashmiri blood will only become impure if a woman marries out and not a man? Interesting.

I think a child can only be considered Jewish if the mother is Jewish. So if a Jewish man has a child with a non jewish lady that child is not considered Jewish...
Perhaps someone can correct me.
 
It was done to ensure Kashmiri blood remains pure and does not mix with that of lower quality

That's interesting. In India for many upper castes, the father's caste is considered to determine the son's caste.

Are Imran's sons in the UK Jewish?
 
That's interesting. In India for many upper castes, the father's caste is considered to determine the son's caste.

Are Imran's sons in the UK Jewish?

According to Jewish law, his sons are jews since their mother is one and according to Islamic law, his sons are muslims since their father is a muslim.
 
Terrified of these RSS types and what they could get upto. Request all right thinking Kashmiris to migrate to Pakistan where they can live with honour and dignity.
 
According to Jewish law, his sons are jews since their mother is one and according to Islamic law, his sons are muslims since their father is a muslim.

Ok thanks.

So if a Jewish man married a non-Jew, there is no way the children can be Jews? Or is Judaism only interested in one parent being Jewish.
 
So how will ordinary Indian women feel about this statement? The ones that aren't so fair skinned?
 
For some reason they seem to have forgotten that the fair Kashmiri girl might also have some say in the matter.

works both ways they forgot that too, the boys from kashmir, the the cry might be lovejihad
 
Terrified of these RSS types and what they could get upto. Request all right thinking Kashmiris to migrate to Pakistan where they can live with honour and dignity.

Would you like it if ALL Kashmiris leave Indian Kashmir and migrate to Pakistan?
 
So how will ordinary Indian women feel about this statement? The ones that aren't so fair skinned?

Not all Kashmiri women are fair and/or pretty. Not all Punjabi women are fair and/or pretty. These stereotypes we make typically are just that - stereotypes.
 
This is why one can never support BJP the misogynistic party.
Maybe Suresh Raina’s mom should go slap him twice.
 
Not all Kashmiri women are fair and/or pretty. Not all Punjabi women are fair and/or pretty. These stereotypes we make typically are just that - stereotypes.

But these stereotypes are being fuelled by statements like this from supposedly educated BJP ministers.
 
Idiotic, insensitive, misogynistic, racist piece of donkey dung. How can one political party produce so many dimwits?
 
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so no comments from the guy who said this was done in there benefit.

Comments like these shows the true reason behind all this article removal. Saying that its for their own benefit is political statement. Real reason is they want to discriminate and remove the real kashmiri population and such statements as in the OP imply this.
 
lol, as if it is going to happen, ever.

Didn't BJP coin the slogan-Bet Padao, Beti Bachao something? Truth is Beti has never been as threatened by politicians the way she is right now. Another fraud by this fraud government. Once or twice may be seen as exceptions but we get news like this daily from elected BJP leaders.
 
Fair enough . He is simply saying that now eligible bachelor's from India will be able to marry beautiful Kashmiri Women.

People are bashing him as if Mantriji said that Men can now abduct and force Kashmiri women into relationship. Marriage is the key word. We need to promote relations between Kashmiris and Non-Kashmiris for better integration.
 
Not all but some should. It’s important to show those BJP wallas our displeasure at this decision

Implicit in that line is the logic that if Kashmiris are unhappy in India they would migrate to Pakistan. So, how many Kashmiris have actually left Indian Kashmir and migrated to Pakistan? Never heard of Kashmiris stampeding to migrate to Pakistan.
 
Implicit in that line is the logic that if Kashmiris are unhappy in India they would migrate to Pakistan. So, how many Kashmiris have actually left Indian Kashmir and migrated to Pakistan? Never heard of Kashmiris stampeding to migrate to Pakistan.

People move over all the time. It did not make the news before, hopefully now with increased numbers it will become known
 
[MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshilla

so no comments from the guy who said this was done in there benefit.

Comments like these shows the true reason behind all this article removal. Saying that its for their own benefit is political statement. Real reason is they want to discriminate and remove the real kashmiri population and such statements as in the OP imply this.

Do you really need confirmation from hindutva about their support for discrimination and ignorance against minorities in Kashmir and India?

You don’t see them spending hours days in and out defending hindutva and radicalized extremists nationalists Hindu party when no with little decency and humanity would support it?

Everyone knows what hindutva idealogyband manifesto is.
 
Implicit in that line is the logic that if Kashmiris are unhappy in India they would migrate to Pakistan. So, how many Kashmiris have actually left Indian Kashmir and migrated to Pakistan? Never heard of Kashmiris stampeding to migrate to Pakistan.

People move over all the time. It did not make the news before, hopefully now with increased numbers it will become known
 
That was a very racist thing to say. Not all fair women are attractive and not all dark-skinned women are non-attractive.
 
Hindutva terrorists as MLAs and PM of India. May God help your country.
 
That was a very racist thing to say. Not all fair women are attractive and not all dark-skinned women are non-attractive.

In my opinion it is less to do with racism and more to do with inferiority complex. Indians were ruled for a long time by Britain, so they may equate fair skin with higher status.
 
In my opinion it is less to do with racism and more to do with inferiority complex. Indians were ruled for a long time by Britain, so they may equate fair skin with higher status.

Yes. It is not just with India. You can find this mindset in Bangladesh and possibly Pakistan too.

Newer generation is not like this but older generation heavily cares about skin color. It is sad really.
 
people are missing the context here. as few indian hinuds have comments on twitter like " be ready kashmiri girls we are coming " .. implicating rape etc ..
 
people are missing the context here. as few indian hinuds have comments on twitter like " be ready kashmiri girls we are coming " .. implicating rape etc ..

They are a desperate people. Perhaps they shouldn;t abort baby girls.
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All the posters are missing another fact in OP that before this Kashmir statement this guy said "bomb those who feel unsafe in this country” and he is still a BJP MLA to come up with statements like these so that gives you an idea of BJP+RSS ideology and what's coming in future because almost every BJP leader is coming up with moronic statements like this without getting any punishment. There will be a few token show cause notices to keep the media and janta blind.
 
Disgusting low lifes.

No wonder India has a major rape problem. So many poor Kashmiri school girls have been raped by Indian soldiers over the years. Hope the sisters stay safe from these barbaric people who deserve to be sent to hell.
 
They are a desperate people. Perhaps they shouldn;t abort baby girls.
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RSS should start importing fair color sex dolls from china to satisfy the needs of their supporters.
 
"Wahaan ki ladki agar kisi Uttar Pradesh ke chorey se shaadi kar le, toh uski nagrikta khatam. Bharat ki nagrikta alag, Kashmir ki alag… Aur jo Muslim karyakarta hai yahaan par, unko khushi manani chahiye"

its hardly a topic to be discussed , but this guy is really talking about rape here ? He even specifically mentions muslims from UP marrying them .
 
In my opinion it is less to do with racism and more to do with inferiority complex. Indians were ruled for a long time by Britain, so they may equate fair skin with higher status.

Fair is prettier in India , just like rest of SC and I bet even Pakistanis living overseas .
 
Implicit in that line is the logic that if Kashmiris are unhappy in India they would migrate to Pakistan. So, how many Kashmiris have actually left Indian Kashmir and migrated to Pakistan? Never heard of Kashmiris stampeding to migrate to Pakistan.

Yea because it is so easy to move between our two countries. Even after marrying someone from the opposite country it’s nigh impossible and here you are asking this. Atleast think a bit before talking .
 
Yea because it is so easy to move between our two countries. Even after marrying someone from the opposite country it’s nigh impossible and here you are asking this. Atleast think a bit before talking .

30,000-40,000 Kashmiri refugees live in Pakistan according to most neutral sources.
 
Does that number include the 500,000 Kashmiri Pandits driven out of Kashmir by the terrorists?

Those are obviously Kashmiri (Muslim) refugees, why would hindus leave a hindu country? I seriously doubt the "500,000" figure though, may have been a few thousand or maybe as much as 200,000 but not that high as Hindus were only 5% of the valley's pop. back in the 80s.
 
Pakistanis living in Europe are thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan. He must have made it easier for them to live in Europe.

Lol!! Apparently the pincesses of Kashmir were the forbidden fruit that all mud bloods in the rest of India crave for. People should get a grip. Some idiot said something. If people fall in love they do all kinds of crazy things. Take for example the tennis superstar of India falling for a failed cricketer in Pakistan. Or Omar Abdullas sister marrying a dark skinned Indian prince in MP. Don't worry people, the muggles have enough women to marry in the rest of India. Last I heard the population in 1.3 bil and there are no gender disparities in India as in China.
 
people are missing the context here. as few indian hinuds have comments on twitter like " be ready kashmiri girls we are coming " .. implicating rape etc ..

That's preposterous. Rest of India could always travel to Kashmir. The only difference is now they can own lands there. If at all, those idiots are implying that they care squat for those kashmiri girls if not for their land. There are degenerates everywhere but these degenerates are trying to be funny. Don't exaggerate and twist yourself unnecessarily.
 
Those are obviously Kashmiri (Muslim) refugees, why would hindus leave a hindu country? I seriously doubt the "500,000" figure though, may have been a few thousand or maybe as much as 200,000 but not that high as Hindus were only 5% of the valley's pop. back in the 80s.

Please allow him time to consult his propaganda arm to prove he is not a liar. Or perphaps an extra 0000 were just a typo.
 
‘Get A Wife From Kashmir’: Article 370 News Has Sparked A Horrible Wave Of Misogyny

With the abrogation of Kashmir's special status, social media also saw a surge in posts asserting Hindutva supremacy.

“What are the benefits of removing Article 370?”

Three men lined up against a shop in Delhi smile broadly into the camera.

“The tricolour will be waved in Kashmir, bhai your turn,” Ankit Jatav tells his friend. The friend, a young man in a black tee, thumps his chest and says, “Doosra, Jammu Kashmir ki lugai milegi humein” [Second, we will get a wife from Jammu Kashmir].”

The third man declares Kashmir will now be called Kashi, and all three shout ‘Vande Mataram’ in unison.

The video, posted on TikTok with hearts and flexed bicep emojis, was uploaded shortly after the Indian government invoked the Article 370 to scrap Kashmir’s special status. Jatav, who has over 12,000 followers on TikTok has posted 10 more videos on Article 370 since then.

In another video, one of his friends, a young man with coiffed hair, said, “Main toh chala Kashmir, mujhe Delhi main ladki nahin mil rahi hai (I am going to Kashmir, I am not getting women in Delhi).”

While a total communications blackout in Kashmir has made it impossible to ascertain the repercussions of the Modi government’s decision to abrogate Kashmir’s special status, social media platforms in mainland India are inundated with videos asserting Hindu supremacy.

TikTok in particular is full of slightly desperate Hindu men asserting “victory” by claiming they can now “get girls” from Kashmir. Similar content has started surfacing on Facebook and Twitter.

Prior to the government’s decision on Monday, there was no bar on marrying Kashmiri men or women. However, the children of women who married non-Kashmiris would not inherit property in Kashmir under its old laws.

In India, men have long used so-called “muscular nationalism” to channel a deep misogyny directed at women who dared to critique a dominant political narrative. Women who have criticised the majoritarian politics of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have faced rape threats, obscene messages and even fake porn videos.

Senior BJP ministers, including the Prime Minister, have followed these trolls online, and invited them for social media summits while insisting the government should not be held responsible for encouraging hate directed at women online.

However, in the case of Kashmir and Article 370, the rush of misogynistic content seems oddly in line with the government’s own approach to Kashmir’s people. Like the government treated Kashmir as a people whose opinion wasn’t worth considering, young men on TikTok are celebrating the idea of ‘getting’ a Kashmiri woman like she is an object with no agency. Ironically, a bunch of these videos end with men chanting ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’ or Vande Mataram, completely dismissive of absurdity of looking at Kashmiri women as subjects of their ‘patriotic’ project.

“The mockery made out of Kashmiri women is reiteration of the fact that the human race has always made women the battle ground of their fragile brittle egos,” human rights lawyer Tahmina Lashkar told HuffPost India.

EVERYONE WANTS TO ‘MARRY’ KASHMIRIS

A user called Amit Modak, whose feed is loaded with paeans to Narendra Modi, the Indian Army and ‘bhagwa’ (saffron), posted a video which contained the message: “Now I can marry a Kashmiri girl”. The text is followed by a dozen laughter emojis and on the background, a track with the sound of a man laughing hysterically played.

His other posts include one that said Amit Shah is cooking ‘Kashmiri Pulao’ and that when the government did not listen to 25 crore people on the issue of triple talaq, fat chance they’d listen to 1.5 crore Kashmiris on anything. In another video, Modak sports a sleeveless tee, slicked back hair and a fade, and declares: “Jai Shree Ram. The people who are thinking of buying land in Kashmir, wait for a bit. Don’t be in such a hurry, wait for a bit. Who knows, maybe you can buy land in Lahore.”

Another man who identifies himself as Sunil Kavi and claims to be an actor, model and social activist among other things, shot a video of himself exulting at the news of ‘Article 370 being removed’. He said in the video, with a wink and jumping with glee: “Ab toh main shaadi Kashmir main karoonga. (Now, I will marry in Kashmir.)” Other men commented on his post ‘yes, bhai, yes’ and ‘bilkul sahi hai (that’s absolutely right).’

We reached out to him on his profile and asked what the implication of his video is. He replied, “Whatever you think it is.”

Amar, who only has four posts on his profile, but nearly 3500 followers, posted a text only video in Hindi which said the following:

“My bachelor friends, start preparing, because after 15th August, in Kashmir, you can find in-laws.” The last text slide is accompanied by a picture of a group of young Muslim girls in hijab.

The text also is accompanied by the laughter emojis. This seems to be a favoured line of conversation on TikTok, with smiling men almost saying this is a threat to Kashmiri men. Some other videos shot by men in Haryana claimed that prior to Monday, Kashmiris used to visit the state to sell shawls, but now they will visit with ‘kothali’ for their sisters — a tradition in Haryana to gift clothes, sindoor etc to married women by their brothers and maternal family.

A man who goes by the user name Jitendra Verma, has shot a video of himself saying, “Get ready unmarried friends, now your in-laws house will be in Kashmir. Kashmiris, become ready to be our brother-in-laws.” A man laughed loudly in the background as Verma finished his video, which is tagged is ‘Jai Hind’ and “Jai Shri Ram’.

The tags and the assertion of ‘patriotism’ makes it clear that these videos about Kashmiri women are not in anyway meant to be an appreciation of Kashmiri women, but like in patriarchal societies, very casually delivered threats to own women as a means to claim ownership of land and a political narrative.

HINDUTVA ASSERTION

One of the first videos to have landed on TikTok after the Article 370 announcement was a video of saffron-clan men celebrating in the streets on an Indian city while a song which claimed ‘ab Ayodhya main, Ram Mandir ka nirmaan chahiye’ played in the background. The hashtag #Article370 registered around 870,000 views since yesterday and almost all the content is pro-Hindutva. With the ban on internet in Kashmir, no Kashmiri voice could be amplified on the platform, though there are old videos of Kashmiri men and women demanding that Article 35A be protected and demands of ‘azaad Kashmir’ be heard.

A host of other videos resonated with sounds of ‘ghus ke marenge’ and made the government’s decision sound, quite unwittingly of course, like an invasion.

Most of the videos on ground reflected how pro-Hindutva groups found the issue as an appropriate time to indulge in chest-beating about Hindu supremacy.

Rajeev Mittal of the Akhil Bharatiya Hindu Kranti Dal sent an invite to celebrate the government’s ‘win’ in Gurgaon where men gathered with drums to garland photos of Bharat Mata. Asked what they were actually celebrating, he said, “The resolution to protect Bharat Mata.”



Source: https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/article-370-kashmir-women-tiktok_in_5d494898e4b0d291ed064107
 
Does that number include the 500,000 Kashmiri Pandits driven out of Kashmir by the terrorists?


Those are obviously Kashmiri (Muslim) refugees, why would hindus leave a hindu country? I seriously doubt the "500,000" figure though, may have been a few thousand or maybe as much as 200,000 but not that high as Hindus were only 5% of the valley's pop. back in the 80s.

Please allow him time to consult his propaganda arm to prove he is not a liar. Or perphaps an extra 0000 were just a typo.

Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus

The Hindus of the Kashmir Valley, were forced to flee the Kashmir valley as a result of being targeted by JKLF and Islamist insurgents during late 1989 and early 1990. Of the approximately 300,000 to 600,000 Hindus living in the Kashmir Valley in 1990 only 2,000–3,000 remain there in 2016....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus
 
[MENTION=140457]xbronze[/MENTION] can you tell us how many were removed by the Indian government?
 
They are a desperate people. Perhaps they shouldn;t abort baby girls.
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Lots of crazy people all over the world. And sometime otherwise sane people say crazy things.

Discussing crazy is a waste of time. Better use of time is to do things which make the world better.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Upcoming protests around the world for Kashmiris. One in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and the other in Berlin, Germany. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/ye6YLeeFqY">pic.twitter.com/ye6YLeeFqY</a></p>— F. Jeffery (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1159191434978877442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Disgusting comments.
Suggesting that Kashmiri women are now the property of Indian men.
Such people should be ashamed of their very existence.
 
Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus

The Hindus of the Kashmir Valley, were forced to flee the Kashmir valley as a result of being targeted by JKLF and Islamist insurgents during late 1989 and early 1990. Of the approximately 300,000 to 600,000 Hindus living in the Kashmir Valley in 1990 only 2,000–3,000 remain there in 2016....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

Please stop wasting our time. Do you know what wikipedia is? The sources cited in this wiki page are from Indians.

Do you have an independent reliable source or not?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3 days have passed. We have no idea what the BJP is doing on the ground in Kashmir due to the media blackout. But we know how they think about Kashmir and Kashmiris. And we know that they want nobody to see whatever they're doing. Be scared. <a href="https://t.co/D7NJJRQhw4">https://t.co/D7NJJRQhw4</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a></p>— Audrey Truschke (@AudreyTruschke) <a href="https://twitter.com/AudreyTruschke/status/1159176909013639168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
LOL...look up the annotations in Wikipedia page, they link to all the figures you are asking for.

I wrote above Indian sources/writers. It's like the Nazis giving numbers on Jews killed by themselves, nobody would take them seriously.
 
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