‘I’m old school ... Bodyline should be allowed’: Shoaib Akhtar

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‘I’m old school ... Bodyline should be allowed’: Dinner with Shoaib Akhtar

There are 11 steps that lead down to Shoaib Akhtar’s basement underneath his house in a wealthy Islamabad neighbourhood.

Akhtar doesn’t greet the Herald and The Age at the front door but it’s certainly not because he’s being impolite.

The 46-year-old former Pakistan pace bowler hates stairs because he often has to crawl up them nowadays.

The world’s fastest bowler of all-time has his people escort us, past the barbed wire and a security checkpoint, as curious onlookers lock eyes from street corners. Our driver waits on the street.

Several security guards, toting guns, and other figures usher us down the stairs that Akhtar loathes far more than any lifeless pitch he’s ever bowled on.

Walking in, the first thing you notice is Akhtar. Not the cricketer, but Akhtar on the wall.

There are pictures with ball in hand, wearing a suit, donning sunglasses straight from the nineties, as well as the eye-catching feature item of the room.

It’s a framed picture over two metres tall of Akhtar, the first cricketer to break the 100-mile an hour mark (160.9km/h), celebrating a wicket.

It reads: “We miss you.”

Akhtar, who took 444 international wickets, frightening batsmen the world over for the best part of two decades, is puffing a guava vape.

In a couple of hours, he’ll be zipping this interviewer through the streets of Islamabad, just 40 kilometres from the small town of Morgah in Rawalpindi where he grew up as a child who was told he could never be a cricketer.

“I hardly watch cricket,” Akhtar says. “I hardly go to the grounds. It’s only my duty because Australia has come. When I see the ground, my knee starts to hurt.”

Akhtar remains quiet as his manager provides some background information in a room with half a dozen smiling Pakistani men.

Pepsi, Pakistan cricket’s ubiquitous sponsor, has been replaced tonight with Coca-Cola.

“I am so happy to have you here,” Akhtar says with a smile few batsmen ever saw.

Akhtar’s relationship with Australia seems the right place to start. He lived in Sydney, Perth and Adelaide for short periods of his life.

“The warmth I got from Australians was amazing,” Akhtar says. “Jeff Thomson’s house in Brisbane was like a second home to me.

“Sadly my mother passed away two months ago but she went to Australia and loved it. It’s the most fascinating place.”

Akhtar has a theory why Australians embraced a foreign fast bowler who was out to hurt their own. His first Test series against was against Australia in 1998, the last time Australian toured Pakistan before their current trip.

“[They loved] my aggression because they think I am a Pakistani who has the attitude of an Australian,” Akhtar says. “I gave it to them. In the 2005 series, me and [Justin] Langer got into a fight. Me and [Matt] Hayden got into a fight. It’s verbal, not physical. I wanted to display my talent [and show] that I am better than you.

“They wanted gladiators out there. Nowadays, they are very soft. I don’t think the aggression is as much there now. I don’t know why. I’m old school, like Ian Chappell. I want unlimited bouncers. Bodyline bowling should be allowed. Why not? I want some character.

“I’ve been best of friends with Brett Lee and I respected Ricky Ponting.”

Ponting and Akhtar in the same sentence triggers flashbacks to Perth in 1999. On a bouncy pitch, Akhtar delivered one of the fastest spells of bowling of his career.

Pakistan had just gone down 2-0 in Hobart, with Justin Langer and Adam Gilchrist helping Australia chase 369 in the fourth innings.

Akhtar wanted a square-up.

“During the Test match, I thought [if nothing is happening] let’s hurt somebody,” Akhtar says. “That’s why I bowled the fastest spell. I wanted to see if Ricky can match my pace and I was purposely bowling bouncers [to] see if I could beat him but before that I had never beaten him with my sheer pace.

“Had it not been Ricky Ponting … I would have chopped his [the batsman’s] head off because it was furiously fast.”

The circumference of Akhtar’s upper arms are larger than when he bowled thunderbolts.

But below the hips, Akhtar has the body of a 70-year-old. The monotonous run-aim-bowl-release grind for nearly 20 years of top-flight cricket has taken an enormous toll and means Akhtar cannot live a normal life.

But, importantly, he wants to.

As cups of local tea are served in fine china, Akhtar says he lives a five-minute drive from a popular strip of restaurants. He is Pakistan’s version of India’s great Sachin Tendulkar and is unable to pop up in public without being mobbed.

A minute later, there’s a booking at a Japanese fusion restaurant in Islamabad under the name of Akhtar.

As scary as they come on the field, Akhtar is a complete gentleman off it, determined to change perceptions in Australia that Pakistan is a place worth visiting, for cricketers and tourists.

The bad news? The 11 stairs.

“I literally crawl to the bathroom every morning,” Akhtar says, as he hauls his battered body up the outdoor stairs.

“Even today, my legs are locked. This is how my career started. The only year pain free was 1999.”

Akhtar says he’s had 42 injections in his left knee and 62 jabs in the right, plus nine operations and an upcoming knee reconstruction in Melbourne, where the cricketing icon will spend four weeks recovering in the city where he used to party until all hours of the night as an adopted Australian in the early 2000s.

“I could not walk until the age of six. I used to crawl,” Akhtar says. “The doctor always said to my mother, ‘Listen, this guy will be half-disabled. He will not be able to run like normal guys’.

“[The injuries] became bone on bone in my knees. Imagine the pain I went through. Man, it was terrible.

“I used to [fall] asleep in an ice bath. There were many times that teammates would wake me up and say, ‘It’s four in the morning, get out and get in the bed’. I used to hide my injuries. There was fierce competition and the media wouldn’t understand why I didn’t play regularly.”

Akhtar reverses his black Mercedes-Benz out of the driveway, takes a right, and whizzes into the Islamabad night.

The Rawalpindi Express is away, wearing a black hoodie and trackpants in familiar territory.

Perfume is sprayed into the air-conditioner before Akhtar parks the car. A young boy eating outside hits his friend on the arm, jaw wide open, as cricketing royalty walks to the entrance.

Big breath. Twenty-one more stairs.

Akhtar’s knees don’t agree as he eventually makes a beeline to his seat while diners cock their heads.

Akhtar washes down his grilled salmon fillet, served with plum dipping sauce, with a non-alcoholic cocktail while he navigates multiple selfie requests.

After discussing real estate, the future of Pakistan cricket and his successful YouTube channel, the dinner conversation spins to Shane Warne.

Akhtar is oblivious this Thursday evening would be his dear friend’s last day alive.

Many years ago, Akhtar asked Warne whether his career would be defined by how many wickets he took (there were 178 at 25.7 in Test matches, to go with 247 wickets in one-dayers and 19 in T20s).

“He said, ‘No Shoaib, people remember how you play the cricket’,” Akhtar says.

“It’s not how many wickets you have taken, it’s the way you played the game.”

There is one Akhtar comment, with the tape recorder turned off, that speaks volumes about a generous man adored by so many.

Akhtar says he wants to bowl one more time. Not in a proper match, but just for fun.

After months of gym work, he wants to feel the wind in his hair again and bowl as fast as he can, even while risking injury.

Why? To make his young children proud.

For now, every kid in Pakistan is just trying to trump the Akhtar’s magic mark of 161.3km/h. He grabs the bill and offers a firm handshake.

“I genuinely want to believe that somebody should be out there who is ready to break my record,” Akhtar says. “I’ll be the first person to hug them.”

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...inner-with-shoaib-akhtar-20220310-p5a3oi.html
 
shoaib is a legend, and if your not from pindi you dont appreciate how he put that place on the cricket map. these days everyone gets excited over anyone hitting 90 mph and at his peak this guys stock ball was 90+.

its true he could have been far more effective if he kept his head straight, but its obvious if wasnt a bit "sur phirra", he wouldnt have been trying to bowl that fast in the first place.

97 to 2000 akhtar was an athletic sight to behold, not just in cricket, but in all sports.
 
shoaib is a legend, and if your not from pindi you dont appreciate how he put that place on the cricket map. these days everyone gets excited over anyone hitting 90 mph and at his peak this guys stock ball was 90+.

its true he could have been far more effective if he kept his head straight, but its obvious if wasnt a bit "sur phirra", he wouldnt have been trying to bowl that fast in the first place.

97 to 2000 akhtar was an athletic sight to behold, not just in cricket, but in all sports.

true, he is a pindi legend, and bought the city on the map. He had the pace and thats about it.

Akhtar doesn't own up to his short falling to this day, and he has made an excuse for everything ready. He talks about patriotism today and brining respect for Pakistan, but where was that respect when he was involved in every controversy?

He had issues with Naseem Ashraf, he had issues with Asif, he even had issues with Bob Woolmer. The inzi issue i can understand because selection and team environment was full of theology.

Fastest Bowler till now, yes.
Pakistani legend? I am afraid not
 
true, he is a pindi legend, and bought the city on the map. He had the pace and thats about it.

Akhtar doesn't own up to his short falling to this day, and he has made an excuse for everything ready. He talks about patriotism today and brining respect for Pakistan, but where was that respect when he was involved in every controversy?

He had issues with Naseem Ashraf, he had issues with Asif, he even had issues with Bob Woolmer. The inzi issue i can understand because selection and team environment was full of theology.

Fastest Bowler till now, yes.
Pakistani legend? I am afraid not

I don't know if I agree with this. Many great players across sports have been known to be controversial. I mean Shane Warne was far more controversial than Shoaib ever could be. Someone like Wasim Akram was quite controversial as well.

Just to compare Warne and Akhtar. Warne openly criticized Steve Waugh after Waugh famously dropped him for the deciding test in West Indies in 1999, he later even called Waugh "the most selfish cricketer I ever played with". He said Ponting was jealous of Clarke because Ponting criticized Clarke in his autobiography. He famously got banned for using a banned substance before the 2003 World Cup. In 2000, he lost the Australian vice-captaincy for harassing/sexting a British nurse who he had become infatuated with. And ofcourse in 1994, during a tor of Sri Lanka, he and Mark Waugh were accused of having dealings with bookies.

None of this though, changes the fact that he is a bonafide legend and arguably the greatest spinner to ever play the game.

Shoaib Akhtar always breathed fire when he was bowling for Pakistan. Whether it was during those early days or during the 2007-11 period when he was visibly overweight and no longer in the best shape. He won numerous matches for Pakistan...sometimes even singlehandedly and wasn't a match-fixer like certain others who are regarded as even bigger names than him. And that's why he will always be a Pakistani legend and one of the most greatest and exciting fast-bowlers to ever play the game.
 
I don't know if I agree with this. Many great players across sports have been known to be controversial. I mean Shane Warne was far more controversial than Shoaib ever could be. Someone like Wasim Akram was quite controversial as well.

Just to compare Warne and Akhtar. Warne openly criticized Steve Waugh after Waugh famously dropped him for the deciding test in West Indies in 1999, he later even called Waugh "the most selfish cricketer I ever played with". He said Ponting was jealous of Clarke because Ponting criticized Clarke in his autobiography. He famously got banned for using a banned substance before the 2003 World Cup. In 2000, he lost the Australian vice-captaincy for harassing/sexting a British nurse who he had become infatuated with. And ofcourse in 1994, during a tor of Sri Lanka, he and Mark Waugh were accused of having dealings with bookies.

None of this though, changes the fact that he is a bonafide legend and arguably the greatest spinner to ever play the game.

Shoaib Akhtar always breathed fire when he was bowling for Pakistan. Whether it was during those early days or during the 2007-11 period when he was visibly overweight and no longer in the best shape. He won numerous matches for Pakistan...sometimes even singlehandedly and wasn't a match-fixer like certain others who are regarded as even bigger names than him. And that's why he will always be a Pakistani legend and one of the most greatest and exciting fast-bowlers to ever play the game.

Shane warne never used the phrase, bringing shame to australia. AKhtar does this and acts patriotic.

Also, bowling fast or being the fastest doesnt make one a legend. At the end of the day, the numbers do matter
 
Shane warne never used the phrase, bringing shame to australia. AKhtar does this and acts patriotic.

Also, bowling fast or being the fastest doesnt make one a legend. At the end of the day, the numbers do matter

Shane Warne said humans descended from aliens. That's far worse and stupider than anything Akhtar will probably ever say in his life. As far as patriotism is concerned, I think everyone is allowed to love or hate their country as much as they want. But if they have achieved something for their country, than no one can take that away from them.

They do. And Shoaib's numbers are outstanding across formats. Even more so considering he played his cricket during the era of the Top 9 leading run-scorers of all-time.
 
Shane warne never used the phrase, bringing shame to australia. AKhtar does this and acts patriotic.

Also, bowling fast or being the fastest doesnt make one a legend. At the end of the day, the numbers do matter

So all the legends of the game who always called Shaiby a legend were lying?

When you hear the likes of Lara, Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Vaughan, Lee, Gilchrist etc call Akhtar a legend then surely they must be right because unlike us, they’ve faced him.
 
Great article and a wonderful piece of fictional story telling from Shoaib.
 
So all the legends of the game who always called Shaiby a legend were lying?

When you hear the likes of Lara, Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Vaughan, Lee, Gilchrist etc call Akhtar a legend then surely they must be right because unlike us, they’ve faced him.
I don't think he ever comes up in their list of greatest bowlers they have faced, nor have I seen him in ATG lists.

He was certainly fast and exhilarating. Perhaps a tier 2 or tier 3 great overall.
 
Shane Warne said humans descended from aliens. That's far worse and stupider than anything Akhtar will probably ever say in his life. As far as patriotism is concerned, I think everyone is allowed to love or hate their country as much as they want. But if they have achieved something for their country, than no one can take that away from them.

They do. And Shoaib's numbers are outstanding across formats. Even more so considering he played his cricket during the era of the Top 9 leading run-scorers of all-time.

Numbers matter.

ICC hall of fame is based on the number criteria.

Saeed Ajmal has similar number of wickets, but even he wont be considered a legend. In odis Razzaq had more wicekts than akhtar, would Razzaq be considered a legend?
 
So all the legends of the game who always called Shaiby a legend were lying?

When you hear the likes of Lara, Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Vaughan, Lee, Gilchrist etc call Akhtar a legend then surely they must be right because unlike us, they’ve faced him.

depends in what context..

Numbers matter to be considered a legend. Yes he bowled with pace and was difficult to face, but that doesnt make you a legend. Its your numbers
 
Shane warne never used the phrase, bringing shame to australia. AKhtar does this and acts patriotic.

Also, bowling fast or being the fastest doesnt make one a legend. At the end of the day, the numbers do matter

Speaking of Warne and Shoaib. This conversation between the two (quoted in the interview) perfectly sums up why Shoaib is a legend.


Many years ago, Akhtar asked Warne whether his career would be defined by how many wickets he took (there were 178 at 25.7 in Test matches, to go with 247 wickets in one-dayers and 19 in T20s).

“He said, ‘No Shoaib, people remember how you play the cricket’,” Akhtar says.

“It’s not how many wickets you have taken, it’s the way you played the game.”
 
Speaking of Warne and Shoaib. This conversation between the two (quoted in the interview) perfectly sums up why Shoaib is a legend.


Many years ago, Akhtar asked Warne whether his career would be defined by how many wickets he took (there were 178 at 25.7 in Test matches, to go with 247 wickets in one-dayers and 19 in T20s).

“He said, ‘No Shoaib, people remember how you play the cricket’,” Akhtar says.

“It’s not how many wickets you have taken, it’s the way you played the game.”
shahid afridi had a terrible batting avg, but he is remembered for the way he played. QUite similar to Asif ali

Woulld you considered Afridi a legend than?

I think we can just agree to disagree
 
Gosh, why does every discussion in Cricket has to be so toxic?

Who cares whether Shoaib is a legend or not. The fact that a kid who used to crawl became world's fastest bowler is incredibly inspiring.

For me, Shoaib will always be a legend. The man played the game with full passion and inspired so many around the world. Not many sportsmen can claim such an honor.

Even his random YouTube clips will keep on inspiring upcoming generations of fast bowlers.

RIP Shane Warner. A fast bowler in a spinner's body :akhtar
 
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Akhtar says he wants to bowl one more time. Not in a proper match, but just for fun.

After months of gym work, he wants to feel the wind in his hair again and bowl as fast as he can, even while risking injury.

Why? To make his young children proud.

Icarus vibes.
 
I don't think he ever comes up in their list of greatest bowlers they have faced, nor have I seen him in ATG lists.

He was certainly fast and exhilarating. Perhaps a tier 2 or tier 3 great overall.

You won’t see Abdul Qadir in most cricketers ATG xi because of that fact Shane Warne comes ahead of him, that doesn’t mean he’s not considered a legend.

The fact that he played most of his career with his knee injuries and taking injections before games and yet still managing to averag mid 20’s in tests is pretty crazy, especially when you consider the fact that he bowled most of his career on dead pitches on 40-50 degrees heat. I’m sure his numbers would’ve been even better had he played 10-15 test matches in England in overcast conditions at the peak of his career.

Numbers matter.

ICC hall of fame is based on the number criteria.

Saeed Ajmal has similar number of wickets, but even he wont be considered a legend. In odis Razzaq had more wicekts than akhtar, would Razzaq be considered a legend?

It’s not just about numbers, Richie Benaud is in the ICC hall of fame yet he averaged 27.

Saeed Akmal won’t be considered a legend because of the amount of times he was called for chucking.

It’s not just about the amount of wickets, it’s about the impact Shoaib Akhtar has had on the game. The amount of kids all over the world that inspired to be like him. The amount of respect he has within the cricket fraternity.

You said numbers matter, and then you contradicted yourself by stating that although Razzaq has more wickets he won’t be considered a legend, thus numbers don’t matter.
 
Gosh, why does every discussion in Cricket has to be so toxic?

Who cares whether Shoaib is a legend or not. The fact that a kid who used to crawl became world's fastest bowler is incredibly inspiring.

For me, Shoaib will always be a legend. The man played the game with full passion and inspired so many around the world. Not many sportsmen can claim such an honor.

Even his random YouTube clips will keep on inspiring upcoming generations of fast bowlers.

RIP Shane Warner. A fast bowler in a spinner's body :akhtar

True, maybe doesn't have the wickets in Tests that he should have but the guy was pure box office and some of the younger ones on these forums won't fully appreciate how brilliant he was.

I remember when he came on to bowl at the 99 WC in England, how all the fans would start clapping at his run up and the sheer noise - pure theatre. We've seen it a bit with Amir but who do you see that with nowadays?
 
You won’t see Abdul Qadir in most cricketers ATG xi because of that fact Shane Warne comes ahead of him, that doesn’t mean he’s not considered a legend.

The fact that he played most of his career with his knee injuries and taking injections before games and yet still managing to averag mid 20’s in tests is pretty crazy, especially when you consider the fact that he bowled most of his career on dead pitches on 40-50 degrees heat. I’m sure his numbers would’ve been even better had he played 10-15 test matches in England in overcast conditions at the peak of his career.



It’s not just about numbers, Richie Benaud is in the ICC hall of fame yet he averaged 27.

Saeed Akmal won’t be considered a legend because of the amount of times he was called for chucking.

It’s not just about the amount of wickets, it’s about the impact Shoaib Akhtar has had on the game. The amount of kids all over the world that inspired to be like him. The amount of respect he has within the cricket fraternity.

You said numbers matter, and then you contradicted yourself by stating that although Razzaq has more wickets he won’t be considered a legend, thus numbers don’t matter.
because in razzaqs case we will also see the matches aswell. 265 matches with 269 wickets.

I have problem with labelling Akhtar a legend with not even crossing 200 wickets.

Anyways agree to disagree. He is a Pindi hero though and lead to being a motivation for youngsters to bowl pace.

Every pacer bowler i met in Pindi they would try to emulate Akhtar. He did have an effect on a generation of cricketers.

But for me the numbers matter in legends criteria.

Does anyone know what the criteria for HOF is in ICC and whether Akhtar falls in that criteria?
 
shahid afridi had a terrible batting avg, but he is remembered for the way he played. QUite similar to Asif ali

Woulld you considered Afridi a legend than?

I think we can just agree to disagree

Fair enough.

But I don't think that's a good analogy because I remember the way Afridi played. The people who remember him fondly are casual fans for whom he was perfect because they'd be changing the channel and by the time their favorite program returned from the break Afridi would have smashed a few and be back in the pavilion.
 
true, he is a pindi legend, and bought the city on the map. He had the pace and thats about it.

Akhtar doesn't own up to his short falling to this day, and he has made an excuse for everything ready. He talks about patriotism today and brining respect for Pakistan, but where was that respect when he was involved in every controversy?

He had issues with Naseem Ashraf, he had issues with Asif, he even had issues with Bob Woolmer. The inzi issue i can understand because selection and team environment was full of theology.

Fastest Bowler till now, yes.
Pakistani legend? I am afraid not

Agreed he hasn't played enough to be a legend.

He was world class as evident from his bowling averages of 25 in tests and ODIs.

Nothing less or more, world class is what he was.

Great - Imran Khan, Wasim Akram
Legend - Waqar Younis, Fazal Mahmood
World Class - Shoaib Akhter, Umar Gul, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir
 
Gosh, why does every discussion in Cricket has to be so toxic?

Who cares whether Shoaib is a legend or not. The fact that a kid who used to crawl became world's fastest bowler is incredibly inspiring.

For me, Shoaib will always be a legend. The man played the game with full passion and inspired so many around the world. Not many sportsmen can claim such an honor.

Even his random YouTube clips will keep on inspiring upcoming generations of fast bowlers.

RIP Shane Warner. A fast bowler in a spinner's body :akhtar

Shane Warne*
 
Shoaib like many of us is probably frustrated at the number of roads that are being prepared in modern day Test cricket. Fast bowlers running in, over after over and the pitch offering them nothing.

I just feel that these types of pitches will kill Test cricket or certainly put people off watching it.
 
depends in what context..

Numbers matter to be considered a legend. Yes he bowled with pace and was difficult to face, but that doesnt make you a legend. Its your numbers

Which numbers exactly? You are picking number of wickets. What about the strike rate? It’s one of the best around.

What you probably mean is longevity. Longevity is overrated. It’s a polite way of saying someone dragged out their career, they didn’t do much but they played for a long time so let’s give them a round of applause for the effort.

Yes shoaib probably didn’t play enough but when he did, it was memorable and legendary.
 
Agreed he hasn't played enough to be a legend.

He was world class as evident from his bowling averages of 25 in tests and ODIs.

Nothing less or more, world class is what he was.

Great - Imran Khan, Wasim Akram
Legend - Waqar Younis, Fazal Mahmood
World Class - Shoaib Akhter, Umar Gul, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Amir

Amazing that after IK came Waqar and Wasim followed by Shoaib, then came Asif and Amir. We took it for granted that there was infinite assembly line of great fast bowlers ready to pass on the torch to the next.

Sadly, not been the case for the last decade.
 
Amazing that after IK came Waqar and Wasim followed by Shoaib, then came Asif and Amir. We took it for granted that there was infinite assembly line of great fast bowlers ready to pass on the torch to the next.

Sadly, not been the case for the last decade.

Asif would have been the greatest Pakistani bowling mentor if it wasn't for his "extracurricular activities".

Even Wasim and IK pale in comparison when it comes to bowling intelligence.

I do think with Shaheen, we have an ATG in the thinking. He needs to improve his fitness and be able to sustain pace like Starc does. In terms of bowling skills, Shaheen is actually superior.

Babar and Rizwan are superb and potential greats (especially the former) but I rate Shaheen as the best player in the team. He can win matches on his own.
 
Amazing that after IK came Waqar and Wasim followed by Shoaib, then came Asif and Amir. We took it for granted that there was infinite assembly line of great fast bowlers ready to pass on the torch to the next.

Sadly, not been the case for the last decade.
Until now.

Shaheen is a diamond.
 
Until now.

Shaheen is a diamond.

Yes, but I personally wouldn't put him in their class yet, for me he's not the finished article and feel he can go onto reach new heights if he puts his mind, body and soul into it.
 
shoaib is a legend, and if your not from pindi you dont appreciate how he put that place on the cricket map. these days everyone gets excited over anyone hitting 90 mph and at his peak this guys stock ball was 90+.

its true he could have been far more effective if he kept his head straight, but its obvious if wasnt a bit "sur phirra", he wouldnt have been trying to bowl that fast in the first place.

97 to 2000 akhtar was an athletic sight to behold, not just in cricket, but in all sports.

Agree with you ... 97 to 2000 Akhtar was just something else. Never ever felt anything like that again for any Pakistani player. (Babar is getting there for me personally)
 
Amazing that after IK came Waqar and Wasim followed by Shoaib, then came Asif and Amir. We took it for granted that there was infinite assembly line of great fast bowlers ready to pass on the torch to the next.

Sadly, not been the case for the last decade.

I don’t think we can talk about Amir in the same breath as Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif. Few good spells and a 2nd tier record in comparison to Pak bowling greats doesn’t put him there. Yes when he came onto the scene one could have said he is possibly the continuation of that line but, end reality turned out to be far away from it.

Amir’s test bowling average never went below 28 throughout his test career after initial two tests. If one takes out his record in England his average would be touching mid 30s. Yes he had the potential but, that never materialized other than few memorable spells.

Shaheen at 22 and after 25 tests averages 25 in tests cricket. Even his ODI average is a bit superior to Amir where Shaheen averages 24 after the same amount of matches Amir played with an average of 26-27.

Statistically Amir doesn’t fall into the Pak’s elite pace bowling club. Yes one talk about the potential he had but, unless that potential converts into numbers you can’t be considered a great. The only thing to remember Amir are few of his memorable spells and thats it.
 
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I also think bodyline tactic should be allowed. There should be nothing wrong with it.

If the concern is about batsman's safety, batsman can wear more protective gears.
 
I don’t think we can talk about Amir in the same breath as Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif. Few good spells and a 2nd tier record in comparison to Pak bowling greats doesn’t put him there. Yes when he came onto the scene one could have said he is possibly the continuation of that line but, end reality turned out to be far away from it.

Amir’s test bowling average never went below 28 throughout his test career after initial two tests. If one takes out his record in England his average would be touching mid 30s. Yes he had the potential but, that never materialized other than few memorable spells.

Shaheen at 22 and after 25 tests averages 25 in tests cricket. Even his ODI average is a bit superior to Amir where Shaheen averages 24 after the same amount of matches Amir played with an average of 26-27.

Statistically Amir doesn’t fall into the Pak’s elite pace bowling club. Yes one talk about the potential he had but, unless that potential converts into numbers you can’t be considered a great. The only thing to remember Amir are few of his memorable spells and thats it.

Shaheens average is all against Bangladesh Zimbabwe and West Indies he averages a lot higher taking them out the three bottom ranked teams he needs to win matches and take 5 wicket hauls against the best teams to be a decent bowler.

The young excuse won’t work next time he tours SENA if he doesn’t do well there next time we can write him of in discussions with the best bowlers as frankly performing only against weak batting line ups is simply not good enough to be a top bowler.
 
I don’t think we can talk about Amir in the same breath as Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif. Few good spells and a 2nd tier record in comparison to Pak bowling greats doesn’t put him there. Yes when he came onto the scene one could have said he is possibly the continuation of that line but, end reality turned out to be far away from it.

Amir’s test bowling average never went below 28 throughout his test career after initial two tests. If one takes out his record in England his average would be touching mid 30s. Yes he had the potential but, that never materialized other than few memorable spells.

Shaheen at 22 and after 25 tests averages 25 in tests cricket. Even his ODI average is a bit superior to Amir where Shaheen averages 24 after the same amount of matches Amir played with an average of 26-27.

Statistically Amir doesn’t fall into the Pak’s elite pace bowling club. Yes one talk about the potential he had but, unless that potential converts into numbers you can’t be considered a great. The only thing to remember Amir are few of his memorable spells and thats it.

This is correct, but the hype and excitement he created when he first burst on to the scene was on another level, the likes we haven't seen since.

And to be fair he was excellent. Who knows what he we would have went on to achieve had he not been banned.
 
This is correct, but the hype and excitement he created when he first burst on to the scene was on another level, the likes we haven't seen since.

And to be fair he was excellent. Who knows what he we would have went on to achieve had he not been banned.

I don’t think we can talk about Amir in the same breath as Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif. Few good spells and a 2nd tier record in comparison to Pak bowling greats doesn’t put him there. Yes when he came onto the scene one could have said he is possibly the continuation of that line but, end reality turned out to be far away from it.

Amir’s test bowling average never went below 28 throughout his test career after initial two tests. If one takes out his record in England his average would be touching mid 30s. Yes he had the potential but, that never materialized other than few memorable spells.

Shaheen at 22 and after 25 tests averages 25 in tests cricket. Even his ODI average is a bit superior to Amir where Shaheen averages 24 after the same amount of matches Amir played with an average of 26-27.

Statistically Amir doesn’t fall into the Pak’s elite pace bowling club. Yes one talk about the potential he had but, unless that potential converts into numbers you can’t be considered a great. The only thing to remember Amir are few of his memorable spells and thats it.

Amir was world class during his limited overs Pakistan career. He won Pakistan 2 x major white ball ICC trophies. The most by any player from the history of Pakistan cricket.

He deserves to be respected and remembered as a world class white ball bowler who always turned up for the big occasion. Same can't be said for the likes of Waqar and Shoaib (at times).

In red ball cricket he's done nothing worthy of mention apart from that one series in England which he undid after the spot-fixing.
 
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