‘India’s fast bowling reminds me of '80s West Indies’ : Brian Lara

[Napa]

Bravo, comparing the worst bowler with your strike bowler. I said he was bad but still had Tendus number. A line up of wasim, waqar and shoaib supported by saqlain, razzaq would be too much for this lineup. Even Wasim alone would take out all your top order.

You said the Pakistani bowling attack would "eat the current Indian batting lineup alive". To support your point you mentioned Razzaq getting SRT out 3 times. Then when given evidence that Razzaq was quite pathetic against Indian batting, you complain.

So your modus operandi to prove the Pakistani attack would have been lethal is to 1) cite Razzaq when he performs well 2) ignore him when he doesn't. Nonsensical arguments!

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Hey man, the SA side that had beaten India at home in 2018 weren't a weak one, they had a fresh de Villiers back in their squad and a solid opening pair of Elgar and Markram. You played the bowling quartet of Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel in the first test XI. How you deal that against??

That SA side defeated Australia next month with Smith and Warner as well.

You became weak when de Villiers and Morkel both retired and Steyn eventually decided to quit due to continuous injuries.

Hey man. My point is, it was far weaker than Smith's SA side and India still lost to them desprite having the "better" team. This argument has some history as some rabid Indian fans think Kohli's team will destroy Smith's. Eitherway, we all know who was the deciding factor in these two series:

I quite miss him.

India is on course to winning 31 out of 51 Tests under Kohli’s (permanent) captaincy, and they have only lost 1 Test at home since England’s series win 2012. That is brilliant and if they are a not a ruthless winning machine, who are?

I won’t call a South African side with de Villiers, Amla, Faf, QdK, Philander, Morkel, Rabada and Ngidi as weak. Yes some of the players were past their primes but it was still a very strong team especially in home conditions. Losing 2-1 to them especially on pitches that were heavily geared towards teams batting first is not something to be ashamed of. Great teams of the past have lost to weaker sides.

It is abundantly clear that no Asian Test side of the past holds a candle to this Indian side. What makes them special is that they have tremendously improved their bowling attack without compromising on their batting.

It is also abundantly clear that people are simply not prepared to give them due credit.

- Had they won in South Africa, people would be dismissive that it came against an aging side and how Smith’s South Africa would have whitewashed them.

- Had they won in England people would be dismissive that it came against a weak England team full of white ball specialists.

- Had they lost in Australia, people would mock them that they couldn’t even without Smith and Warner.

- If they were to lose a Test in India for a change, people would mock them for not winning on the so-called designers pitches at home, but for some reason, the pitches in South Africa in 2018 were somehow fair, where every single wicket fell for the first time in history.

This is an incredible team and they do not have to win every match home and away to prove it. The fact that there are far ahead of every other team today is enough proof. No team can touch India in India but they can win in plenty of countries.

They need to start winning away from home. It's pointless if they're only able to win this consistently at home. Not much of a legacy that.

the ruthless saffers under smith were toothless at home several times. Compensating for losing at home by winning away doesn't make the 3rd best team of all time. India are ruthless at home. 30 wins in 32 games or something absurd.

weak south african team? south africa were not weak when they had ab devilliers, faf, morkel, ngidi, steyn, de cock, amla.

They also won the tosses which makes a difference in those type of conditions. Either way they got demolished in india back in 2015. They never lost at home like Smith's 'toothless machine'. Not to mention a few draws too.

I wasn't even talking to you. Toothless at home? Yet, India's never won a test series here. You must be joking. Please stop exaggerating like this, it's embarrassing. When Kohli starts winning away from home, they'll get their due praise. Until then, they will always be HTB, too scared to win outside their comfort zone. Also, there is nothing wrong with a match-saving draw.

Smith's South Africa is regarded by MANY outside South Africa as the 3rd best team ever. Your oipinion matters little, in fact, it's worthless as far as I'm concerned.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Hey man. My point is, it was far weaker than Smith's SA side and India still lost to them desprite having the "better" team. This argument has some history as some rabid Indian fans think Kohli's team will destroy Smith's. Eitherway, we all know who was the deciding factor in these two series:

I quite miss him.



They need to start winning away from home. It's pointless if they're only able to win this consistently at home. Not much of a legacy that.



I wasn't even talking to you. Toothless at home? Yet, India's never won a test series here. You must be joking. Please stop exaggerating like this, it's embarrassing. When Kohli starts winning away from home, they'll get their due praise. Until then, they will always be HTB, too scared to win outside their comfort zone. Also, there is nothing wrong with a match-saving draw.

Smith's South Africa is regarded by MANY outside South Africa as the 3rd best team ever. Your oipinion matters little, in fact, it's worthless as far as I'm concerned.

I will make it simple. This indian team is like nadal. Smith's south africa is like federer. Just like nadal, india will wallop teams at home and win a few series away and be competitive. Overall h2h will favour india just like how nadal generally blanks federer.

Whilst india can be competitive away they will destroy teams at home So overall h2h will favour india hence they are the better side. It's quite simple.

 

[Shoaib88]

Indian fats bowlers, specially umesh yadav and mohammed shami seem pretty much unplayable in Indian conditions, I seem to agree with Brian Lara now.

 

[Robert]

They definitely wont play county for sure. They get paid too much money via ipl, endorsements and appearance fees etc.

honestly this England side is very goodin home conditions. I don't understand why you would think they are weak?

Sam curran
woakes
broad
Anderson
Ali

that is as strong as the side that faced ganguly's india. They had tremlett playing iirc and Collingwood, a young pre prime Anderson. panesar and Sidebottom had their moments but weren't as good as the current players. Woakes, curran are much better suited to play in english conditions.

Bowling imo was better than what it was in 07-12. They also have the GOAT all rounder of all time in stokes now. GOAT stokes over Collingwood who is a great cricketer himself.
cook played.
Strauss, Pietersen, young cook would walk into the current team without a doubt. prior over buttler? perhaps yes and bell wouldn't play over joe root. That's only 4 out of 11 players though.

Current team actually has better players overall. England drew vs australia recently because they dint play sam curran and rashid. Also cook retired and Anderson was injured. For some reason roy played lol. Jennings and malaan are better players than roy for test cricket. Atleast the latter too can defend long enough to wear out the new ball.

The current seam/swing bowling is good in England, but the batting is the worst in history. Atherton, Stewart, Nasser, Thorpe would all walk into the current side, and Gough, Caddick and Fraser too. They were all-conditions bowlers while Anderson etc. are mediocre overseas.

They made bad selections against Australia. Rashid is cannon-fodder in tests. Curran should have played all five tests, I agree. Moeen has lost confidence and Leach should have played all the matches instead. Roy failed as a test opener. You could say luck went against them in that Anderson broke down after four overs, and the rain stopped their victory push in the second test. But that bad luck evened out with the wrong lbw decision in the Stokes miracle. The one good thing is that the non-hackers have been revealed and the team looks a bit stronger now, with a slightly better top three, a spinner averaging the right side of 30, and real pace in Archer.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The current seam/swing bowling is good in England, but the batting is the worst in history. Atherton, Stewart, Nasser, Thorpe would all walk into the current side, and Gough, Caddick and Fraser too. They were all-conditions bowlers while Anderson etc. are mediocre overseas.

They made bad selections against Australia. Rashid is cannon-fodder in tests. Curran should have played all five tests, I agree. Moeen has lost confidence and Leach should have played all the matches instead. Roy failed as a test opener. You could say luck went against them in that Anderson broke down after four overs, and the rain stopped their victory push in the second test. But that bad luck evened out with the wrong lbw decision in the Stokes miracle. The one good thing is that the non-hackers have been revealed and the team looks a bit stronger now, with a slightly better top three, a spinner averaging the right side of 30, and real pace in Archer.

honestly it looks strong for home conditions. would be quite an even battle between this one and the team that faced gabaguly's india.

At home ofcourse. Away I am.not too sure although it's hard to say because they did do quite well in South Africa and Sri Lanka.

Ali despite being average is quite a handy spinner at home and can bat reasonably well. He adds depth provided woakes archer and Anderson or broad play. England have very deep batting at home which is a plus. That's why they beat india. Sam curran was the man. Toss played a role yes but a loss is still a loss. If this indian team beats englsnd in englsnd by negating toss then there is no reason why they can't be compared to Aussies of 2000.

 

[battler]

Indian seamers destroying South Africa YET again!

 

[Robert]

honestly it looks strong for home conditions. would be quite an even battle between this one and the team that faced gabaguly's india.

At home ofcourse. Away I am.not too sure although it's hard to say because they did do quite well in South Africa and Sri Lanka.

Ali despite being average is quite a handy spinner at home and can bat reasonably well. He adds depth provided woakes archer and Anderson or broad play. England have very deep batting at home which is a plus. That's why they beat india. Sam curran was the man. Toss played a role yes but a loss is still a loss. If this indian team beats englsnd in englsnd by negating toss then there is no reason why they can't be compared to Aussies of 2000.

Yeah, it looked like India were through to the tail, then Woakes hit a century or Curran hit a fifty. But the same lower order ablated against Australia.

 

[Mamoon]

I really believe this GOAT Asian team can take down Australia in Australia even with Warner and Smith. This is a relentless attack that doesn’t given an inch. They would expose Warner’s weaknesses and probably test Smith more than any bowling attack in the world.

Their depth is outstanding even without the best fast bowler in the world (Bumrah).

England is probably the only place where they might not win. They somehow find a way to win/draw series at home even if they get outplayed. They have become very good at playing under pressure and fighting against the odds.

 

[Rana]

Whilst Bumrah is good, he’s recently picked up an Injury and we sill see if he goes on to emulate the great Michael Holding.

If a single Indian bowler can match or Emulate him, only then will this statement have any sense to it.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I really believe this GOAT Asian team can take down Australia in Australia even with Warner and Smith. This is a relentless attack that doesn’t given an inch. They would expose Warner’s weaknesses and probably test Smith more than any bowling attack in the world.

Their depth is outstanding even without the best fast bowler in the world (Bumrah).

England is probably the only place where they might not win. They somehow find a way to win/draw series at home even if they get outplayed. They have become very good at playing under pressure and fighting against the odds.

2 reasons.

stokes the All time great all rounder. Best all rounder of all time. period. India's kryptonite aka sam curran. But india usually learn from mistakes just like how they ended mendis's career the second time they faced him.

 

[Mamoon]

2 reasons.

stokes the All time great all rounder. Best all rounder of all time. period. India's kryptonite aka sam curran. But india usually learn from mistakes just like how they ended mendis's career the second time they faced him.

It is not just India. They have been outplayed or have played a superior side every summer since 2016, but they found a way to not lose any of the series.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

I will make it simple. This indian team is like nadal. Smith's south africa is like federer. Just like nadal, india will wallop teams at home and win a few series away and be competitive. Overall h2h will favour india just like how nadal generally blanks federer.

Whilst india can be competitive away they will destroy teams at home So overall h2h will favour india hence they are the better side. It's quite simple.

I'll make it even simpler. "'Double the points for away wins' - Virat Kohli's tip for World Test Championship" read the headline. I wonder why he would say that? Winning away from home is not easy, India would know. Hence all the praise Smith's team got. Still 3rd best.

 

[anikrc1]

I'll make it even simpler. "'Double the points for away wins' - Virat Kohli's tip for World Test Championship" read the headline. I wonder why he would say that? Winning away from home is not easy, India would know. Hence all the praise Smith's team got. Still 3rd best.

If you reward more for winning away you will have to penalise more for losing and drawing in home.

 

[RamLakhan]

Yet again Indian seamers proving that India don't win test matches just because of spinners & spin-friendly wickets! Their efforts are massively underrated in the entire History of Cricket Game! If Indian bowlers are just trundlers and other nations have superior attack then they have to prove it here on these pitches on so-called flat-tracks! (Strangely these tracks are also termed as spin-tracks, tailor-made tracks - Perhaps they are tailor-made to the extent of "helping only Indian trundlers" that too whenever they bowl even in 2nd/3rd/4th innings!)

 

[tyron_woodley]

I'll make it even simpler. "'Double the points for away wins' - Virat Kohli's tip for World Test Championship" read the headline. I wonder why he would say that? Winning away from home is not easy, India would know. Hence all the praise Smith's team got. Still 3rd best.

yea how about no. That would work if you actually dominated at home. But you dint. So no. I would take a 2-1 loss away to s.africa and a 3-0 or 2-0 win at home Anyway. overall h2h favour india. Austrslia of 2000, west indies of 80s are number 1 and 2. 3rd is debatable. Current india, south africa under smith, england of 2010-2013 short peak though and india of 2006-2011 are all in contention for that coveted spot.

You can rule out England due to short peak hence it's between current India or Smith's saffers.

Dude I am not saying saffers are a great side? I think this indian team is just as good if not better because they completely demolish teams at home and are competent away.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yet again Indian seamers proving that India don't win test matches just because of spinners & spin-friendly wickets! Their efforts are massively underrated in the entire History of Cricket Game! If Indian bowlers are just trundlers and other nations have superior attack then they have to prove it here on these pitches on so-called flat-tracks! (Strangely these tracks are also termed as spin-tracks, tailor-made tracks - Perhaps they are tailor-made to the extent of "helping only Indian trundlers" that too whenever they bowl even in 2nd/3rd/4th innings!)

Indian attack is the best in the world and it's a hard pill to swallow. Don't worry they will learn to accept it. India is probably the fittest side in the world. That's why they are number 1 in tests.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Ouch. So far it's not looking good...

 

[Rana]

It doesn’t matter, Lara is going to get some decent deals in India for this comment

 

[srh]

blasphemy, money can change truth

 

[Manunited18]

Indian attack is the best in the world and it's a hard pill to swallow. Don't worry they will learn to accept it. India is probably the fittest side in the world. That's why they are number 1 in tests.

It's a ageing attack, but yes it's quality, in a few years time pakistan Australia England will be the best

 

[Manunited18]

I also remember Lara stating mohammed zaid was the best and fastest bowler he had faced lol, that's when mgrath, Gillespie, Donald, pollock, gough, akram were pretty much around

 

[Kingpin786]

Decent attack but our AAG was better

 

[Manunited18]

Flintoff, harmisson, Jones, hoggard was also as good as most

 

[Mesozoic]

It doesn’t matter, Lara is going to get some decent deals in India for this comment

Lara is a legend of the game and he has no need to beg for a deal by praising India like a certain others. Star and Sony would give a 100 VVS Laxmans to have a Brian Lara in their studios.

 

[Robert]

Flintoff, harmisson, Jones, hoggard was also as good as most

Although their individual numbers were not great there was a period of a couple of years when they were averaging mid-twenties collectively. Harmison was world #1, Flintoff at his peak, Jones knocking over the stumps with ease and Hoggy taking wickets everywhere.

The batting had got very strong and the bowlers could keep attacking with the slips up.

 

[Rana]

Lara is a legend of the game and he has no need to beg for a deal by praising India like a certain others. Star and Sony would give a 100 VVS Laxmans to have a Brian Lara in their studios.

Well he is clearly begging here

 

[Manunited18]

Although their individual numbers were not great there was a period of a couple of years when they were averaging mid-twenties collectively. Harmison was world #1, Flintoff at his peak, Jones knocking over the stumps with ease and Hoggy taking wickets everywhere.

The batting had got very strong and the bowlers could keep attacking with the slips up.

Also it was unfortunate that flintoff and Jones started picking up injuries which clearly curtailed them

 

[Knight_Rider]

Seems like Lara is running out of cash. Is there even a single genuine Fast bowler in Indian side?

These middle paced trundlers are not that exciting to watch and cant be compared with Marshal, Ambrose etc

 

[Ab Fan]

It's basically a set of three good fast bowlers out of which one was performing at ATG level.

 

[Bewal Express]

I watched the bowling last night and they looked tired and a little old. I have no doubt that Bumrah will get his zip back but he is struggling for rhythm. Ishant looks his age and one more injury will finish him.

 

[Hawkeye]

Not sure where will [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] hide now.

Been hyping up this IND team and trash bowling for a good time.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not sure where will [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] hide now.

Been hyping up this IND team and trash bowling for a good time.

What hyping Hawkeye, aka, Popeye "the Sailor Man"?

Do elaborate. Its a very very good bowling attack but unfortunately Bumrah wasn't at his best.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What a dumb comparison. Lara is not doing the Indians any favours here, Indian pace bowling attack is a decent one, but comparisons with the Windies greats is never going to be in their favour.

 

[Rana]

What a dumb comparison. Lara is not doing the Indians any favours here, Indian pace bowling attack is a decent one, but comparisons with the Windies greats is never going to be in their favour.

You probably need to know what Lara is about Personally to understand half of the things he does/says. Top player without a doubt, but comes across as a very selfish man and definitely holds grudges.

 

[Mirpur express]

Good bowling unit but nowhere near the great WI /Aussie lol s

 

[Aman]

Boult made them look like WI circa 2010

 

[Aman]

It's basically a set of three good fast bowlers out of which one was performing at ATG level.

First time I've had a good look at this Indian bowling line up and boy are they overrated.

Aus are levels above them, scoring a run was a challenge.

Bumrah has been forgettable the whole tour and Shami a non factor who has been hammered a lot. Ishant is the only one who has been good.

 

[Ab Fan]

First time I've had a good look at this Indian bowling line up and boy are they overrated.

Aus are levels above them, scoring a run was a challenge.

Bumrah has been forgettable the whole tour and Shami a non factor who has been hammered a lot. Ishant is the only one who has been good.

Shami is not good overseas. He averages 21 at home though.

Bumrah had a brilliant start. 12 tests and 5 5-fer at 19. He has been poor this tournament. His pace is completely down.

Ishant is good overseas and he proved.

Ashwin is Ashwin and his record tells us all we have to know.

We need Bumrah back at its best.

 

[wrongun]

Although their individual numbers were not great there was a period of a couple of years when they were averaging mid-twenties collectively. Harmison was world #1, Flintoff at his peak, Jones knocking over the stumps with ease and Hoggy taking wickets everywhere.

The batting had got very strong and the bowlers could keep attacking with the slips up.

That was a great unit to watch. Real variety, real skill, hostility, speed, the works.

 

[Junaids]

Did Lara mean the West Indies men’s or women’s team?

Jasprit “127K” Bumrah was quite similar to Ellyse Perry in this Test, albeit a little slower than her.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Where are those delusional people that said this Indian team is better than Smith's Saffers?

Shame on you.

 

[tyron_woodley]

First time I've had a good look at this Indian bowling line up and boy are they overrated.

Aus are levels above them, scoring a run was a challenge.

Bumrah has been forgettable the whole tour and Shami a non factor who has been hammered a lot. Ishant is the only one who has been good.

due to the workload. Bumrah just back from injury and shami played a lot of games.

Bound to happen at home point. Fatigue.

Attack is still good.

 

[Rudi hater]

This is the greatest Asian Test team of all time, and it has the potential to be the third best after West Indies and Australia.

With a score of 165 and 191 when the opponents scored nearly 350 in one inns. So much of the disilussion.. West Indies of 70s would have blown this NZ inside three days.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Where are those delusional people that said this Indian team is better than Smith's Saffers?

Shame on you.

I can only laugh at someone who claimed that. Smith's Saffers were unbeaten in away series for 9 years. They were probably the 3rd best side after the GOAT WI and Aus sides.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

People taking a dig at India because they lost their first test in Kiwiland, series is not over. India will come back hard in the second test, this is Kohli's India. The only asian side to ever beat Australia in Australia.

 

[Kingpin786]

People taking a dig at India because they lost their first test in Kiwiland, series is not over. India will come back hard in the second test, this is Kohli's India. The only asian side to ever beat Australia in Australia.

and current srilankan team is only asian team to win against sa in sa

 

[Majid Khan]

I think he said the following but last two words are taken out :

“India’s fast bowling reminds me of '80s West Indies spin bowling”

 

[tyron_woodley]

and current srilankan team is only asian team to win against sa in sa

still better than anything pakistan has ever achieved in south africa.

Sri Lanka lost the toss and still won.

 

[Junaids]

still better than anything pakistan has ever achieved in south africa.

Sri Lanka lost the toss and still won.

Only because Azhar Ali had softened up the Saffas by averaging 9 against them!

 

[globalcitizen]

I can see the excitement of some posters that this thread can be bumped, now that india lost after long time LoL

Fast bowlers have proven their potency for long time now, may be change of guard is needed soon

 

[Kingpin786]

still better than anything pakistan has ever achieved in south africa.

Sri Lanka lost the toss and still won.

Also better than current goat indain team in sa

 

[Junaids]

I watched a lot of the West Indian bowlers in the 1980’s.

Jasprit Bumrah = Eldine Baptiste.

Ishant Sharma = Milton Small.

Mohammad Shami = Ezra Moseley.

The only West Indian fast bowlers of the 1980’s who were faster and better than the current Indians were:

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Michael Holding
3. Ian Bishop
4. Andy Roberts
5. Joel Garner
6. Curtly Ambrose
7. Sylvester Clarke
8. Franklyn Stephenson
9. Courtney Walsh
10. Tony Gray
11. Winston Davis
12. Wayne Daniel
13. Ezra Moseley
14. Rod Estwick
15. Tony Merrick

I think Bumrah might slot in between
Walsh and Gray, which means that he would arguably have got into a West Indies Third Eleven.

Shami and Ishant would probably be just below Merrick.

 

[Usman Chadda]

People taking a dig at India because they lost their first test in Kiwiland, series is not over. India will come back hard in the second test, this is Kohli's India. The only asian side to ever beat Australia in Australia.

Please offer the same amount of respect for Sri Lanka, who are the only Asian side to beat a full-strength South Africa in South Africa.

 

[Junaids]

People taking a dig at India because they lost their first test in Kiwiland, series is not over. India will come back hard in the second test, this is Kohli's India.

The only asian side to ever beat Australia in Australia.

Asterisk

Harris
Finch
Marsh S
Khawaja
Head
Handscomb
Marsh M

It’s like counting England as having won the 1978-79 Ashes in Australia 5-1.

I’m English, but I’m not claiming that one!

 

[Rudi hater]

Our 1999 batting lineup would not last three days against this relentless Indian attack. That lineup had basically two batsmen, and those would have been severely tested by this attack as well.

Razzaq had Tendulkar’s number but so did Hansie Cronje. That doesn’t he would also do well against this lineup.

I have no doubt in my mind India of 2019 will convincingly outclass India and Pakistan of 1999.

The only Asian team that would come close in bettering them (in Asian conditions) would be Ganguly’s India, but overall this is a more skilled side.

Matches are won by taking 20 wickets. Unfortunately your team India lack killer bowlers like Pak of 99 (Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq, Saqlain). You can say whatever but ask anyone neutral he/she will tell you which team has the edge. Pakistan is the only side that has beaten India in their own backyard. In 1987, 1999 (one was Asian championship test). Pakistan is the only side that has won the Asian test championshp by thrashing India and the Srilanka both.

 

[Junaids]

Matches are won by taking 20 wickets. Unfortunately your team India lack killer bowlers like Pak of 99 (Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq, Saqlain). You can say whatever but ask anyone neutral he/she will tell you which team has the edge. Pakistan is the only side that has beaten India in their own backyard. In 1987, 1999 (one was Asian championship test). Pakistan is the only side that has won the Asian test championshp by thrashing India and the Srilanka both.

Exactly.

It’s why a Pakistan team with Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah Afridi clearly has more future Test potential than India does.

You need top quality fast bowlers to win outside Asia (or to get lucky and face Finch and Handscomb instead of Warner and Smith).

 

[Mamoon]

Matches are won by taking 20 wickets. Unfortunately your team India lack killer bowlers like Pak of 99 (Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq, Saqlain). You can say whatever but ask anyone neutral he/she will tell you which team has the edge. Pakistan is the only side that has beaten India in their own backyard. In 1987, 1999 (one was Asian championship test). Pakistan is the only side that has won the Asian test championshp by thrashing India and the Srilanka both.

Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe at home in in 1996 and 1998 with “killer” bowlers like Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq and Saqlain. These “killer” bowlers got “killed” by sides that would get mauled by Kohli’s India.

Similarly, the Australian team that won in Pakistan in 1998 would not beat today’s India in India.

Pakistan from 1994 onwards was absolutely pathetic at home. These “killer” bowlers could not outperform the opposition’s less fancied bowlers, and the batsmen were simply incompetent. It was Saeed Anwar and Inzamam or nothing.

Saleem Malik was finished and Ijaz could only bat on fast, bouncy wickets.

Any neutral without green-tinted blinkers would testify that Kohli’s India would whoop the late 1990’s Pakistan. Pakistan historic success against India has no relevance because those teams have nothing in common with this Indian team.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
I don’t think that Kohli’s India is anywhere near as good as the 1999 India of:

Laxman
Ramesh
Dravid
Tendulkar
Azharuddin
Ganguly
Mongia (wk)
Kumble
Harbhajan
Prasad
Srinath

And, as we all know, that superior Indian team lost 2-1 to Pakistan in home Tests in 1999-2000.

And I reckon the only current Indians who would get into that 1999 team are:

Agarwal for Ramesh
Kohli for Azharuddin
Pant for Mongia
Bumrah for Prasad

 

[tyron_woodley]

Also better than current goat indain team in sa

They beat a team that had ABD, morkel and steyn?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Matches are won by taking 20 wickets. Unfortunately your team India lack killer bowlers like Pak of 99 (Shoaib, Wasim, Waqar, Mushtaq, Saqlain). You can say whatever but ask anyone neutral he/she will tell you which team has the edge. Pakistan is the only side that has beaten India in their own backyard. In 1987, 1999 (one was Asian championship test). Pakistan is the only side that has won the Asian test championshp by thrashing India and the Srilanka both.

thrashed a weak indian team. yes sure. Not the behemoth of today in subcontinent.

 

[Junaids]

thrashed a weak indian team. yes sure. Not the behemoth of today in subcontinent.

Weak Indian team?

Laxman Dravid Tendulkar Azharuddin Ganguly Kumble Harbhajan Srinath

I’d hate to see a strong India!

 

[tyron_woodley]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
I don’t think that Kohli’s India is anywhere near as good as the 1999 India of:

Laxman
Ramesh
Dravid
Tendulkar
Azharuddin
Ganguly
Mongia (wk)
Kumble
Harbhajan
Prasad
Srinath

And, as we all know, that superior Indian team lost 2-1 to Pakistan in home Tests in 1999-2000.

And I reckon the only current Indians who would get into that 1999 team are:

Agarwal for Ramesh
Kohli for Azharuddin
Pant for Mongia
Bumrah for Prasad

absolute rubbish. ganguly,laxman and dravid just started their careers and were relatively raw at the time. It was a mediocre side. harbhajan is no where near the quality of ashwin and jaddu in Asia. Prasad was trash. Months is dud cannon fodder. rsmesh rofl.


Current india is the best Asian team of all time by far. No version of pakistan or india beats Virat's side in India.

 

[zain7077]

I watched a lot of the West Indian bowlers in the 1980’s.

Jasprit Bumrah = Eldine Baptiste.

Ishant Sharma = Milton Small.

Mohammad Shami = Ezra Moseley.

The only West Indian fast bowlers of the 1980’s who were faster and better than the current Indians were:

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Michael Holding
3. Ian Bishop
4. Andy Roberts
5. Joel Garner
6. Curtly Ambrose
7. Sylvester Clarke
8. Franklyn Stephenson
9. Courtney Walsh
10. Tony Gray
11. Winston Davis
12. Wayne Daniel
13. Ezra Moseley
14. Rod Estwick
15. Tony Merrick

I think Bumrah might slot in between
Walsh and Gray, which means that he would arguably have got into a West Indies Third Eleven.

Shami and Ishant would probably be just below Merrick.

Very appreciate that there is a member in the forum who has experience of watching cricket for many years and explain the reality to these delusional fans who think the current Indian side is even 1/3 as good as the Aus of the 2000’s or WI of the 80’s. Even Australia’s current side is better.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Well done, These fans needed this after continuously going overboard.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Weak Indian team?

Laxman Dravid Tendulkar Azharuddin Ganguly Kumble Harbhajan Srinath

I’d hate to see a strong India!

At the time yes. Dravid, laxman and ganguly were all new. post 2003 is when they hit their peaks. srinath was a good bowler but no where near the quality of bumrah and shami. Azhar declined around 1995.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Very appreciate that there is a member in the forum who has experience of watching cricket for many years and explain the reality to these delusional fans who think the current Indian side is even 1/3 as good as the Aus of the 2000’s or WI of the 80’s. Even Australia’s current side is better.

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Well done, These fans needed this after continuously going overboard.

I don't care whether this indian side is as good as West Indies of 80s. They aren't. No one is.

They would defintiely spank australia of 2000 in india.

current australia is better lol. At home. yea sure. In india, they will get a cute little phainta as usual.

 

[andy0204]

At the time yes. Dravid, laxman and ganguly were all new. post 2003 is when they hit their peaks. srinath was a good bowler but no where near the quality of bumrah and shami. Azhar declined around 1995.

Dravid had a good tour on his debut in England,
Had a good tour in 1997 tour of South Africa against Pollock and Donald.
Had a good tour in 1997 tour of West Indies against Ambrose and Walsh.
Had a good tour in 1998 tour of Newzealand against Cairns,Doull and Nash.
He was well established batsman from 2000.


Ganguly apart from his debut test series,he wasn't that good in tests but he was great in ODIs .

Azhar was inconsistent he declined after 1998.

Because of Srinath and Kumble India were good at home in 1990's.
You can't claim Bumrah and Shami are better bowlers than Srinath till their careers are over.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Dravid had a good tour on his debut in England,
Had a good tour in 1997 tour of South Africa against Pollock and Donald.
Had a good tour in 1997 tour of West Indies against Ambrose and Walsh.
Had a good tour in 1998 tour of Newzealand against Cairns,Doull and Nash.
He was well established batsman from 2000.


Ganguly apart from his debut test series,he wasn't that good in tests but he was great in ODIs .

Azhar was inconsistent he declined after 1998.

Because of Srinath and Kumble India were good at home in 1990's.
You can't claim Bumrah and Shami are better bowlers than Srinath till their careers are over.

They may have been good but none of those said players were remotely close to their peak level. Besides the bowling is considerably weak compared to now. One poor game by india doesn't change the fact that they are a top bowling unit.

Fab 4 in particular peaked post 2003 and it showed when they proved to be the best Asian team to travel away from home between 2005-2011.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Maybe Lara intended it as a jinx?

 

[Mamoon]

You know you are good when the rest of the world who cannot win their own matches are eagerly waiting for you to slip up, so that they can do haha and hehe.

 

[Ab Fan]

In India, it's very lethal. Shami and Umesh particularly and then the spin duo of Ashwin and Jadeja.

Bumrah and Ishant are our two best bowlers overseas but Bumrah not being able to maximize his potential is a major concern.

 

[Manunited18]

Thrashed by England in England, beaten by south Africa in South Africa, looks like beaten easily by kiwis in new zealand, conclusion: same old India, dominant at home and crap away, England are far better and me being a England fan the current England team is going through a big transition

 

[tyron_woodley]

Thrashed by England in England, beaten by south Africa in South Africa, looks like beaten easily by kiwis in new zealand, conclusion: same old India, dominant at home and crap away, England are far better and me being a England fan the current England team is going through a big transition

don't worry england will get a phainta in india. They aren't better. India are just tired. Too much workload.

 

[PakPremi]

You know you are good when the rest of the world who cannot win their own matches are eagerly waiting for you to slip up, so that they can do haha and hehe.

Only thing is it's not a slip up but norm for India at SENA with the exception of previous series against a weakened Aus side.
They still much better side than Pak, but gulf will get smaller if Pak manages to groom their young bowling attack well and find a decent spinner.