15 years and counting .... Your view on Pakistan's World Cup drought

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It's been 15 years since Pakistan last won a World Cup/World T20.

Since then, Australia have won 2 World Cups and 1 World T20.

England have won 2 World T20's and a World Cup.

West Indies have won 2 World T20's.

India have won a World Cup and a World T20.

SL have won 1 World T20.

Do you see Pakistan winning a World Cup/World T20 in the foreseeable future and if so when ?
 
It's been 15 years since Pakistan last won a World Cup/World T20.

Since then, Australia have won 2 World Cups and 1 World T20.

England have won 2 World T20's and a World Cup.

West Indies have won 2 World T20's.

India have won a World Cup and a World T20.

SL have won 1 World T20.

Do you see Pakistan winning a World Cup/World T20 in the foreseeable future and if so when ?
Next one is in India.

Yeah forget about winning that one too.
 
Next one is in India.

Yeah forget about winning that one too.

Spinners are a problem for Pakistan. So Asian/Caribbean conditions will be tough

But Fakhar and Babar have good records in South Africa and pace dominates on Saffer pitches.

Surely PAK have a good chance in 2027 SA?
 
Spinners are a problem for Pakistan. So Asian/Caribbean conditions will be tough

But Fakhar and Babar have good records in South Africa and pace dominates on Saffer pitches.

Surely PAK have a good chance in 2027 SA?
Pakistan have a chance only if they get rid of babar and Rizwan. Sharjeel and Sarfraz are the replacements
 
No chance, the wc famine will continue for the next 20 years. Unprofessional Pcb along with lack of talent

Bhai with a professional BCCI and trillions at disposal, it still took 13 years for India to get there.

World Cups are won by good tournament teams.

India were exceptional in this tournament but doesn't happen every time
 
Pakistan have a chance only if they get rid of babar and Rizwan. Sharjeel and Sarfraz are the replacements
This is actually a fair shout. That’s the sad and unfortunate reality.
 
Bhai with a professional BCCI and trillions at disposal, it still took 13 years for India to get there.

World Cups are won by good tournament teams.

India were exceptional in this tournament but doesn't happen every time

PSL has the best bowling standard amongst all T20 leagues though. So Pakistan should be dominating T20 World Cups at least.
 
Bhai with a professional BCCI and trillions at disposal, it still took 13 years for India to get there.

World Cups are won by good tournament teams.

India were exceptional in this tournament but doesn't happen every time
Disagree Bhai, the BCCI isn't completely professional either, so many selection blunders in multiple icc events.

Pak now is as bad India in the 90s
 
But Fakhar and Babar have good records in South Africa and pace dominates on Saffer pitches.
Sorry against which bowlers? This year odi and test series may provide a cue if sa odi bowlers are their first eleven choices
 
Pakistan have a chance only if they get rid of babar and Rizwan. Sharjeel and Sarfraz are the replacements

Idea is to move forwards not backwards.

Sharjeel is done.

Sarfaraz is fine for Tests but not for T20s anymore.
 
Disagree Bhai, the BCCI isn't completely professional either, so many selection blunders in multiple icc events.

Pak now is as bad India in the 90s
Never mind but the drought still have been on for you had it been some else team but not the biggest chokers.
 
Sorry against which bowlers? This year odi and test series may provide a cue if sa odi bowlers are their first eleven choices
They'll still do better there on those pitches than on some Indian pitches which require real skill to bat on against spinners

They'll be better off facing pace bowlers on those wickets.
 
Never mind but the drought still have been on for you had it been some else team but not the biggest chokers.
Well, we can talk about ifs and buts all day long but we got rid of the tag now.

Pak needs to 1st stop losing to minnows and consistently make semis and finals, eventually you'll win
 
Well, we can talk about ifs and buts all day long but we got rid of the tag now.

Pak needs to 1st stop losing to minnows and consistently make semis and finals, eventually you'll win
The current 50 over World Cup format doesn’t suit Pakistan at all. It takes away their biggest strength which is the fluke element.

Pakistan need the group stages format to somehow scrap their way through into a knockout stage
 
No chance, the wc famine will continue for the next 20 years. Unprofessional Pcb along with lack of talent
Nah, if Pakistan can get two good games in Semis and Finals then WC can be won. I am not saying that it's easy, but winning tournaments can be done despite mess made by PCB.
 
The current 50 over World Cup format doesn’t suit Pakistan at all. It takes away their biggest strength which is the fluke element.

Pakistan need the group stages format to somehow scrap their way through into a knockout stage
Agreed, then just have few good games.
 
They'll still do better there on those pitches than on some Indian pitches which require real skill to bat on against spinners

They'll be better off facing pace bowlers on those wickets.
One issue is when u consider the last sa vs ind odi series, evry run became an achievement in those 3 odis.Sa pitches became too tough to bat even in the first 15 overs.Sai sudarshan played amazing knocks in first 2 matches and samson in last one.Sa bowled out for 115 and no one crossed 250 I believe.
 
Let’s face it.

-Pakistan doesn’t believe in merit when it comes to selection
-Pakistan doesn’t believe in evolving to meet modern requirements
-Pakistan doesn’t believe in taking the initiative into their own hands and not having to rely on other factors such as weather and toss.

Sorry, Pakistan has no business in wanting to win. They should just try their best to become as spiritually strong as they can, become good ambassadors of their faith. This is the World Cup they should try to win.
 
One issue is when u consider the last sa vs ind odi series, evry run became an achievement in those 3 odis.Sa pitches became too tough to bat even in the first 15 overs.Sai sudarshan played amazing knocks in first 2 matches and samson in last one.Sa bowled out for 115 and no one crossed 250 I believe.

Agreed. I'm not saying it's easy. But PAK batters will struggle more on slow Asian wickets where you need to force the issue against spinners.

That requires real power and skill which they all lack

Babar is a touch player so he'll enjoy those Saffer pitches more.

No guarantee of anything but their batting might not struggle as much over there.
 
It had been 17 years for India. Before that it had been 18 years. Pakistan's wait was for 17 years before. May be next year they could have won. But unfortunately there is no WC next year.

Jokes aside it's tough to see any team outside of the big 3 winning a world cup.
 
This drought will not end until we change our cricket system. If we make that change, I estimate it will take at least 20 years to win world cup
 
Agreed. I'm not saying it's easy. But PAK batters will struggle more on slow Asian wickets where you need to force the issue against spinners.

That requires real power and skill which they all lack

Babar is a touch player so he'll enjoy those Saffer pitches more.

No guarantee of anything but their batting might not struggle as much over there.
The current Pakistan batting is some of the worst I have seen when it comes to playing pace or attacking pace. If this Pakistan lot are ok and will do well against pace, just imagine how good their opponents (Australia, England, South Africa and India) will be against pace on the same tracks.
 
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It had been 17 years for India. Before that it had been 18 years. Pakistan's wait was for 17 years before. May be next year they could have won. But unfortunately there is no WC next year.

Jokes aside it's tough to see any team outside of the big 3 winning a world cup.
India’s wins:

1983-2007-2011-2024.. not too sure about your math here.

If you are counting both wcs: we have one in 2011 too
 
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India’s wins:

1983-2007-2011-2024.. not too sure about your math here.

If you are counting both wcs: we have one in 2011 too
Sorry lol I was thinking about odi to odi and T20 to T20, then when I was thinking about Pak I did odi to T20
 
2017-2019 team could have won. Wi game was a shocker and sri lanka rained off did pakistan dirty.

That team was more then capable of pulling of upsets against every team excluding India in a group stage or australia in any stage.

2012-2015 was impossible thanks to misbah with misbah lucking out due to sucking up his ego for 2 games and letting sarfi and wahab do their thing

2020 onwards no chance in hell.

It all started when Misbah appointed babar as captain and rizwan as opener. Fell apart from their when babar became fully incharge.
 
Lol hahaha coming from the guys whose team won no icc trophy since 2013 and they got all the favors in the world still couldn't win anything until this one.
 
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Not many t20 world cups have been one by the favourites. Most of them have been a surprise.

Most people including Indians thought India had no chance.

Don't write Pakistan off too quickly. There is a lot of time between WCs.
 
Not many t20 world cups have been one by the favourites. Most of them have been a surprise.

Most people including Indians thought India had no chance.

Don't write Pakistan off too quickly. There is a lot of time between WCs.
India made a conscious decision to improve their batting approach as a nation in order to compete with the likes of England, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. They batted Australia, England and South Africa out of the tournament. Their success wasn’t a sudden run of good form. A lot of hard work and thinking went into their process to reach where they are today
 
But Pakistan have won nothing meaningful in the last 15 years. Even West Indies and Lanka have. India have won twice. Only England and Australia have won more. It's a very reasonable question to ask. No need to get so touchy
 
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Aaand it begins... :yk


Brace yourselves PPers. Things gonna get ugly from here on.

All the taunts we faced from 2017-2023 will be repaid back with interest. :cool:
 
But Pakistan have won nothing meaningful in the last 15 years. Even West Indies and Lanka have. India have won twice. Only England and Australia have won more. It's a very reasonable question to ask. No need to get so touchy
Politics has destroyed Pak cricket not lack of talent
 
Pakistan had a golden chance in 2021 WT20. In that tournament they had a lot going in their favour where the tournament was in Dubai, team was largely united, on a dominating run and even defeated India in a WC tournament. That semi-final against Australia was there to be won as well however Hasan Ali with that drop had other ideas. Since WT20 of 2021 our cricket graph has only gone down remarkably this also aligns with political situation of Pakistan too that went downhill from VONC in 2022. The point is simple when country is in tatters the shockwaves would be felt across all industries in cricket as well which we have seen over the past 2-3 years.

Anyways coming back to point since WT20 of 2021 our players' performances dropped year on year. 3 years down the line the performances kept on dipping yet the players remained same which is a recipe of disaster. For Pakistan cricket to improve we need to have a change in our mindset. We need to kill this thought that any defeat carries a blessing in disguise because it does not. The reason team lost is because they are not good enough, period. The moment this mindset is instilled in our cricketers and more importantly our management we would realise the primary role of these players is to play and win and losing just emphasizes they are not good enough.
 
India made a conscious decision to improve their batting approach as a nation in order to compete with the likes of England, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. They batted Australia, England and South Africa out of the tournament. Their success wasn’t a sudden run of good form. A lot of hard work and thinking went into their process to reach where they are today
Despite that they won with some tuk tuk anchor batting in the final and solid fast bowling.

Tournament cricket just needs a couple of cricketers to hit a purple patch.

With some small tweaks we can be competitive again.
 
Pakistan have a chance only if they get rid of babar and Rizwan. Sharjeel and Sarfraz are the replacements
Pakistan were no.1 t20i side under Sarfaraz, now they are no.7. Under him, Pakistan won 11 series in a row and Sharjeel started that streak. Now they have won only 1 series in last 2 years which was against Ireland.
 
Despite that they won with some tuk tuk anchor batting in the final and solid fast bowling.

Tournament cricket just needs a couple of cricketers to hit a purple patch.

With some small tweaks we can be competitive again.
So they got to the final because of Tuk Tuk?
 
Pakistan were no.1 t20i side under Sarfaraz, now they are no.7. Under him, Pakistan won 11 series in a row and Sharjeel started that streak. Now they have won only 1 series in last 2 years which was against Ireland.
This is true. I don't rate Sarfaraz generally but the T20I side was excellent under his leadership.
 
Chances of Iceland winning Fifa WC, Venezuela winning Copa America and Mozambique winning African Gold Cup are higher than Pakistan winning a ICC wC
 
Pakistan had a golden chance in 2021 WT20. In that tournament they had a lot going in their favour where the tournament was in Dubai, team was largely united, on a dominating run and even defeated India in a WC tournament. That semi-final against Australia was there to be won as well however Hasan Ali with that drop had other ideas. Since WT20 of 2021 our cricket graph has only gone down remarkably this also aligns with political situation of Pakistan too that went downhill from VONC in 2022. The point is simple when country is in tatters the shockwaves would be felt across all industries in cricket as well which we have seen over the past 2-3 years.

Anyways coming back to point since WT20 of 2021 our players' performances dropped year on year. 3 years down the line the performances kept on dipping yet the players remained same which is a recipe of disaster. For Pakistan cricket to improve we need to have a change in our mindset. We need to kill this thought that any defeat carries a blessing in disguise because it does not. The reason team lost is because they are not good enough, period. The moment this mindset is instilled in our cricketers and more importantly our management we would realise the primary role of these players is to play and win and losing just emphasizes they are not good enough.
Pakistan won the toss against India, Afghanistan and New Zealand

That’s it. That’s their achievement in 2021
 
SL and Windies' boards had even more politics to contend with and even less money to invest in their own cricket.
I think Pak have done better than WI and SL in last 15 years. T20 is an unpredictable format any decent team can win especially when there's a world cup every 2 years. There have been 3 in last 4 years.
Even Pak had a great chance in 2022. We were 84/1 in final against England needed middle order to play along the ground and score 160
 
Pakistan were no.1 t20i side under Sarfaraz, now they are no.7. Under him, Pakistan won 11 series in a row and Sharjeel started that streak. Now they have won only 1 series in last 2 years which was against Ireland.
As I said, he needs to play 2027 ODI world cup
 
Pakistan had a golden chance in 2021 WT20

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion here, but Pakistan's miss in that tournament was as big as India's in 2023. That just looked like Pakistan's tournament right from the offset with everything falling into place for them one by one and every other team looking like side characters in a movie in which Pakistan was the sole protagonist. Still can't believe how they bottled the SF after having Australia at 90/5 while defending 170+. That too to Mathew Wade of all people ..

New Zealand were there for the taking in the final.
 
When you bring a player like Azam Khan to a WC and let a bunch of retired players unretire to attend the WC, you pretty much show to the world you're not serious. NVM the fact that many in-team quarrels between senior players. Many things needs to change before Pak can lift a cup. A tournament like this is extremly hard to fluke all the way to lifting the cup. A team needs to be united, board members needs to put the team first before their pocket, etc.
 
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion here, but Pakistan's miss in that tournament was as big as India's in 2023. That just looked like Pakistan's tournament right from the offset with everything falling into place for them one by one and every other team looking like side characters in a movie in which Pakistan was the sole protagonist. Still can't believe how they bottled the SF after having Australia at 90/5 while defending 170+. That too to Mathew Wade of all people ..

New Zealand were there for the taking in the final.
Agreed.

Haven’t seen a Pakistan side so professionally dominate games in an ICC tournament.

We fell apart as soon as Australia put some pressure back on us, that’s also a huge issue that has plagued our cricket since quite a while.
 
We missed in 1987,1996,2003,2023,2015,2019.

We are a pretty consistent team in tournaments but right combination takes time.
We never were favorites for 2015 against Aussies. A bowling lineup consisting of Mohit Sharma ,Umesh Yadav as frontline pacers is not going to defeat Australia in their home ground
 
Spinners are a problem for Pakistan. So Asian/Caribbean conditions will be tough

But Fakhar and Babar have good records in South Africa and pace dominates on Saffer pitches.

Surely PAK have a good chance in 2027 SA?
Abrar Ahmed is a spinner with some serious potential. If he was ever given a chance to play for Pakistan.

Whether or not Pakistan has a chance depends significantly on how they plan for the next 3 years. Naseem, Shaheen, Abrar, Babar, Rizwan these are definitely guys who can win matches for Pakistan. They will be far more experienced in 3 years time. But Pakistan need some firepower at the top and lower down the order (6-7). They need to find players that can balance the pragmatism of players like Babar, Rizwan, Saud Shakeel, Abdullah Shafique with some fearless, attacking cricket.

I worry that Fakhar might be too old when the next WC comes around.
 
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion here, but Pakistan's miss in that tournament was as big as India's in 2023. That just looked like Pakistan's tournament right from the offset with everything falling into place for them one by one and every other team looking like side characters in a movie in which Pakistan was the sole protagonist. Still can't believe how they bottled the SF after having Australia at 90/5 while defending 170+. That too to Mathew Wade of all people ..

New Zealand were there for the taking in the final.
That's actually the perfect comparison and one I have made to several people. Eventhough winning a CWC is far bigger than winning a T20 WC. But the way Pakistan dominated in that tournament is something you rarely see from them. They had just about the perfect side for those conditions. And they had been on-top for like 70-80% of that match until they blew it.

Because of that innings, a useless cricketer like Matthew Wade has been able to get three years in Australian colors and multiple IPL contracts.
 
We never were favorites for 2015 against Aussies. A bowling lineup consisting of Mohit Sharma ,Umesh Yadav as frontline pacers is not going to defeat Australia in their home ground
We weren’t but we needed one good day, Kohli and Dhawan were in red hot form that year.
 
So it begins.

Indian fans before the T20 WC - IPL is bigger and better than the T20 WC.

Indian fans after the T20 WC - The T20 WC is the same as an ODI WC.
 
posted in the wrong thread
West Indies 8 year wait
Australia 1 year wait
England 2 year wait
Srilanka 10 year wait
Pakistan 15 year wait
NZ/SA/BD FOREVER WAIT

AMong these "waits". 3 teams will reset the "wait clock" every now and then. Others will be hoping they don't bump into one of these 3 teams which is quiet impossible. ONe of these 3 teams will ruin your party.
 
Pakistan can only think of winning by trying to actually win. The way the PCB is run, the selections, the laadla treatment of babar and Rizwan, that doesn’t sound like an entity trying to win anything.

Somewhere down the line, someone in the chain should want to win.

PCB chairman - doesn’t care
Selectors - don’t care
Team coach - I’m assuming the likes of Kirsten will want to win, but they have no power.

Even then, a captain can make all the difference. But our captain doesn’t care. Some captains have their preferences, force the hand of the selectors to pick the guys the captain thinks can win games for him. But our captain - pick my friend, pick my friend….otherwise I’m not playing.

If the PCB is serious, they should call kuptaan’s bluff and say ok get lost.
 
Bhai with a professional BCCI and trillions at disposal, it still took 13 years for India to get there.

World Cups are won by good tournament teams.

India were exceptional in this tournament but doesn't happen every time
the difference between India not winning 2022 world t20 and winning 2024 one is Bumrah and Bumrah alone. guy was literally unplayable throughout the tournament. Unfortunately for India , they were about 50 runs short in Ahmedabad otherwise Bumrah would have pulled that one too despite travis head’s heroics
 
Pakistan can only think of winning by trying to actually win. The way the PCB is run, the selections, the laadla treatment of babar and Rizwan, that doesn’t sound like an entity trying to win anything.

Somewhere down the line, someone in the chain should want to win.

PCB chairman - doesn’t care
Selectors - don’t care
Team coach - I’m assuming the likes of Kirsten will want to win, but they have no power.

Even then, a captain can make all the difference. But our captain doesn’t care. Some captains have their preferences, force the hand of the selectors to pick the guys the captain thinks can win games for him. But our captain - pick my friend, pick my friend….otherwise I’m not playing.

If the PCB is serious, they should call kuptaan’s bluff and say ok get lost.
it does nt look like that situation will change. they are trying to bring in mentors like Moeen , Saqlain , Inxamam. what do you think will happen? moeen would want azam khan in team , Saq would want his son in law , and Inzi wilk bat for imam. no one is serious in running Pakistab cricket from top to bottom. its a lost cause for foreseeable future
 
the difference between India not winning 2022 world t20 and winning 2024 one is Bumrah and Bumrah alone. guy was literally unplayable throughout the tournament. Unfortunately for India , they were about 50 runs short in Ahmedabad otherwise Bumrah would have pulled that one too despite travis head’s heroics
Exactly this spot on
 
2026 is in India & Srilanka and 2027 ODI wc is in South Africa. Both will be difficult to win. I don't have much hope.

Next good chance to win a world cup will be in 2028- Aus & NZ and 2030-England. These two T20 world cups will be ideal for us to break our jinx.
 
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion here, but Pakistan's miss in that tournament was as big as India's in 2023. That just looked like Pakistan's tournament right from the offset with everything falling into place for them one by one and every other team looking like side characters in a movie in which Pakistan was the sole protagonist. Still can't believe how they bottled the SF after having Australia at 90/5 while defending 170+. That too to Mathew Wade of all people ..

New Zealand were there for the taking in the final.
Pakistan has a big problem against Australia.

Mentally or not but it seems they tremble against them in clutch matches
 
2016 CT victory was way bigger than winning a Mickey Mouse format tournament that we in India are going crazy about only because we want to use this to some how heal the wounds given by the 2023 WC final defeat. Otherwise it’s downright pathetic for a genuinely great cricket nation to celebrate a T20 tournament victory that literally happens annually.

Only champions have this so called drought. There are teams that have never won anything.
 
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This drought will worsen if things don't change in next few months. If pcb is still holding on to the problems, it will become a nightmare for Pakistan.

Pakistan is not winning anything until there is a team instead of few bunch of individuals trying to keep their spot safe in the team.
 
Pakistan can only think of winning by trying to actually win. The way the PCB is run, the selections, the laadla treatment of babar and Rizwan, that doesn’t sound like an entity trying to win anything.

Somewhere down the line, someone in the chain should want to win.

PCB chairman - doesn’t care
Selectors - don’t care
Team coach - I’m assuming the likes of Kirsten will want to win, but they have no power.

Even then, a captain can make all the difference. But our captain doesn’t care. Some captains have their preferences, force the hand of the selectors to pick the guys the captain thinks can win games for him. But our captain - pick my friend, pick my friend….otherwise I’m not playing.

If the PCB is serious, they should call kuptaan’s bluff and say ok get lost.
Tbf bro, I think before asia cup in 2023 pakistan genuinely did believe they could win.

Yes they were delusional due to their fraud no 1 ranking in odi, But this team has reached semi's and finals of t20 last year. So even if it was luck, and qudrat ki nizam and c string bashing, they genuinely believed they'd win.

It came crashing down after asia cup match against India, where after that India has already killed the world cup campaign for pakistan before it started. It was at this point everyone believed that pakistan had no chance against top sides and this was proven true as we literally lost to every top team besides NZ, and even NZ required a once in a generational innings from Fakhar who had been sidelined for 6 games to win.

2024, no one was interested, It was clear pakistan wasn't even trying. 80% of the team didn't even seem interested. The few who did like naseem obviously alone can't make the difference.
 
Disagree Bhai, the BCCI isn't completely professional either, so many selection blunders in multiple icc events.

Pak now is as bad India in the 90s
Agree. Some of the selections reek of favoritism, and completely void of logic. Yes India won this world cup but some of the selections were devoid of any logic. The Wolrd Cup could have easily been of South Africa but India held their nerves better. We would have been totally different conversations if not for the last few overs India holding their nerve better.
 
the difference between India not winning 2022 world t20 and winning 2024 one is Bumrah and Bumrah alone. guy was literally unplayable throughout the tournament. Unfortunately for India , they were about 50 runs short in Ahmedabad otherwise Bumrah would have pulled that one too despite travis head’s heroics
India were 50 runs short in WC 2022 semi final as well. Kohli scored a 40 ball 50
 
The drought will thrive and continue to prolong further even after the most disastrous outing ever for Pak.

Thanks to the unconcerned chief who is all talk and no show. Any half competent chief and heads would be rolling left right and centre.
:inti
 
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