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26 dead in shooting at Baptist church in south Texas

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A sheriff said a man walked into a Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Texas on Sunday morning and started shooting, leaving multiple people dead.

The Wilson County News reported that Wilson County sheriff Joe Tackitt said the shooter had been taken down. It was not immediately known how many people were killed and wounded or who carried out the attack.

First responders converged on the church in the small town of around 400 people about 30 miles south-east of San Antonio.

Television stations KSAT and KENS reported a large police presence. A sheriff’s department dispatcher said everyone was at the scene and was unavailable to comment.

KSAT reported that two Airlife helicopters were at the scene and broadcast video of several fire and police vehicles at the church and a photograph of a helicopter that the station said was arriving to take victims to hospitals.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...hurch-shooting-south-texas-sutherland-springs
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source in TX tells me as many as 10-15 dead in church shooting in Sutherland Springs, near San Antonio; suspect is down</p>— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) <a href="https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/927247565577441280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Probably a Black church. White Supremacists have a history of shooting and bombing black churches.
 
BBC news now saying 27 killed.

What a horrible despicable attack.
 
It's a same old crap. Stupid republicans care about NRA money more than people's lives. So many lives were lost in Vegas shooting but nothing has been done about it. More people people will die from shootings in future, until we have stricter gun laws.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">27 dead, 24 injured in a town with a population of 683.<br>4% of Sutherland Springs' population was just wiped out by a gunman. <a href="https://t.co/8cBWfHYtAB">https://t.co/8cBWfHYtAB</a></p>— Holly O'Reilly (@AynRandPaulRyan) <a href="https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/927270334646034432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May God be w/ the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI & law enforcement are on the scene. I am monitoring the situation from Japan.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/927265906086031363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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So far no links to terrorism so I am guessing it is another mentally deranged person therefore nothing will happen. Case closed.
 
Hard to believe this sort of stuff still happens in the world's most advanced nation. Sickening.
 
RIP

Was this a black church? The dead murderer wasnt a Muslim this isn't being described as terrorism.

On a side note, it's nice to know 1.7billion Muslims can never suffer from a mental illness.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Suspect in Texas church shooting has been identified as Devin Patrick Kelley, sources tell CBS News <a href="https://t.co/iB6zuuPslE">https://t.co/iB6zuuPslE</a> <a href="https://t.co/gimMKQa17p">pic.twitter.com/gimMKQa17p</a></p>— CBS News (@CBSNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/927306611047182337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Terrible, Horrible news. I will never understand why US is not doing something about their liberal gun laws.

However this clear difference in response to attacks involving muslims vs non muslims is very annoying. One cannot take the outrage seriously when it's a muslims attacker when the same people barely react when the shooter is not muslim. The President itself is guilty of this.
 
I am not the kind of guy who plays blame game when loss of lives is involved but i gotta say its very tempting when i see the contrast in media reactions.
 
Depression + Guns = Massacres.

USA should do something over Gun laws. Anybody can acquire a gun with ease.

Every country has wackos and depressed people. But USA is the only country I know where these mass shootings happen with so frequently.

RIP to all dead.
 
Not one for conspiracy theories, but these shootings and terrorist attacks in the US are happening at awfully convenient timings for Trump. The next day after every Russia related news.........
 
RIP.

However, the US never learns. They can wage World War III after 9/11 but stay quiet as a mouse after these dime a dozen attacks.

And out it comes again: "Lone Wolf", "Hate Filled Individual", "Mentally Ill".
 
RIP.

However, the US never learns. They can wage World War III after 9/11 but stay quiet as a mouse after these dime a dozen attacks.

And out it comes again: "Lone Wolf", "Hate Filled Individual", "Mentally Ill".

What a false equivalence. How can a killing by your own is the same as your own being killed by The Other? If my own people kill my own, it is sad, but my internal matter. If the other kills even one of my own, there has to be retribution. Just because some of my own kill my own, I should tell the others to hey come and kill us too?
 
Sad news, these news are becoming very common coming out of the states.. They really need to get a new gun law in place but as we know they won't.. People need to raise their voice


RIP to victims
 
RIP to yet another set of mass shooting victims. The alleged shooter Devin Kelley was discharged from the Air Force for misconduct and was court-martialed for assault on his spouse and child.

But this domestic abuser was still able to purchase firearms.

How these NRA-bankrolled politicians sleep at night I do not know. Federal background checks, renewing the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole are just three things that could be introduced yet Congress is happy to do nothing and let the bloodbath continue.
 
RIP to those dead, thoughts go out to their family's.
 
Trump comments:

“We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries, but this isn’t a guns situation … we could go into it but it’s a little bit soon to go into it."

This clown is immediately on Twitter ranting about "extreme vetting" the moment an Islamist terror attack is even suspected but when there's a mass shooting - its "too soon" to talk about gun control.

He doesn't even hide his hypocrisy.
 
Some desperate right wing idiots spreading rumours that he had converted to become a "Moslem".
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked whether gun control is "the answer" after Texas shooting, Pres. Trump responds, "This is a mental health problem at the highest level" <a href="https://t.co/xPde39GM9O">pic.twitter.com/xPde39GM9O</a></p>— ABC News (@ABC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ABC/status/927495300071092225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: State official: Victims fatally shot inside Texas church ranged in age from 18 months to 77 years.</p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/927577218510925825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texas gunman had row with mother-in-law <a href="https://t.co/uNUY88ckUq">https://t.co/uNUY88ckUq</a></p>— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/927576285265702916?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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So what?
 
It's a mental health problem a little bit, but it is much more of a gun availability problem. Both things need to be discussed in detail in America.
 
It's a mental health problem a little bit, but it is much more of a gun availability problem. Both things need to be discussed in detail in America.

Nobody should own a gun unless the person is a cop.

Even my colleague whom I work with here has 2 guns at home. He is not even married. No responsibilities either.

All it takes is depression to happen to a gun owner and the result will be tragedy. Most end up in small scale violence where the person shoots his own family and himself. Sometimes on the community where the person lives.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Texas gunman had row with mother-in-law <a href="https://t.co/uNUY88ckUq">https://t.co/uNUY88ckUq</a></p>— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/927576285265702916?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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So what?

Mentally disturbed.

Not a good thing when the mentally disturbed and unstable person has guns in his closet.
 
The only person mentally disturbed is the one who cannot see the problem with guns in his country! Guess who!?
 
i dont think that is a good idea in america, man of them are trigger happy.

Some cops may be trigger happy. There will always be rotten apples in every country.

If only cops have guns, then when I go outside, I know who exactly is carrying weapons. If everyone is carrying a gun, it will be like Wild West cowboy type situation.
 
people need to relax. it was just a "lone wolf" athiest. he ha nothing to do with Islam. so he wasnt a terrorist. just lit bit issue of mental illness. so ALL IZ WELL.
 
There are already people asking for more guns for this problem. "The shooter was stopped by a good guy who was carrying , he prevented more people from being killed, hence more guns !" Is a very common response under the threads for this issue.

The easy availability of guns is a huge problem in the states.
 
Mentally disturbed.

Not a good thing when the mentally disturbed and unstable person has guns in his closet.

I don't get it. If he had a row with his mother in law, why didn't he shoot her instead of everyone in the church?
 
Texas church shooting survivors say gunman targeted crying babies

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas -- The gunman who killed 26 people at a small-town Texas church went aisle to aisle looking for victims and shot crying babies at point-blank range, a couple who survived the attack said.

Rosanne Solis and Joaquin Ramirez were sitting near the entrance to the First Baptist Church on Sunday when they heard what sounded like firecrackers and realized someone was shooting at the tiny wood-frame building.

In an interview with San Antonio television station KSAT, Solis said congregants began screaming and dropped to the floor. She could see bullets flying into the carpet and fellow worshippers falling down, bloodied, after getting hit.

Ramirez said after entering the church, the gunman first shot those in charge of the camera and audio of the service. He then moved down the center aisle toward those on the church dais.

For a moment, the attack seemed to stop, and worshippers thought that police had arrived to confront the gunman. But then he entered the church yelling "Everybody die!" and resumed "shooting hard" at helpless families, Solis said.

The gunman checked each aisle for more victims, including babies who cried out amid the noise and smoke, Ramirez said.

The couple survived by huddling close to the ground and playing dead. Solis was shot in the arm. Ramirez was hit by shrapnel.

Farida Brown, 73, thought she was going to die when the gunman, identified by authorities as Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, made his way to her pew, her son David Brown told CBS affiliate KENS-TV.

"The shooter was making his rounds, and he ended up there and started shooting this lady multiple times," David Brown told the station. "And the lady looked at my mom the whole time, and my mom was looking at her and telling her, 'It's OK, you're going to go to heaven. You're going to go to heaven,' and then she knew it was her turn to be shot, and so she just started praying that God would take her soul to heaven."

But Kelley turned his attention to another man with a gun, David Brown said. Stephen Willeford had run out of his house near the church barefoot, shot at Kelley and forced him to flee on a high-speed chase that ended in his death.

About 20 other people were wounded. Investigators collected at least 15 empty magazines that held 30 rounds each at the scene, suggesting the assailant fired at least 450 rounds.

Kelley had a history of domestic violence that spanned years before the attack and was able buy weapons because the Air Force did not submit his criminal history to the FBI as required by military rules.

If Kelley's past offenses had been properly shared, they would have prevented him from buying a gun, the Air Force acknowledged Monday.

Investigators also revealed that Kelley had sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law, a member of the church, before the attack, and that sheriff's deputies had responded to a domestic violence call in 2014 at his home involving a girlfriend who became his second wife.

Later that year, he was formally ousted from the Air Force for a 2012 assault on his ex-wife in which he choked her and struck her son hard enough to fracture his skull.

At a news conference in South Korea, President Trump was asked if he would support "extreme vetting" for gun purchases in the same way he has called for "extreme vetting" for people entering the country. Mr. Trump responded by saying stricter gun control measures might have led to more deaths in the shooting because Willeford would not have been armed.

"If he didn't have a gun, instead of having 26 dead, you would have had hundreds more dead," Mr. Trump said.

In the tiny town of Sutherland Springs, population 400, grieving townspeople reeled from their losses. The dead ranged from 18 months to 77 years old and included multiple members of some families.

"Our church was not comprised of members or parishioners. We were a very close family," said the pastor's wife Sherri Pomeroy, who, like her husband, was out of town when the attack happened. "Now most of our church family is gone."

The couple's 14-year-old daughter, Annabelle Pomeroy, was among those killed.

Kelley's mother-in-law sometimes attended services there, but the sheriff said she was not at church Sunday.

The massacre appeared to stem from a domestic situation and was not racially or religiously motivated, Texas Department of Public Safety Regional Director Freeman Martin said. He did not elaborate.

Based on evidence at the scene, investigators believe Kelley died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after he was chased by Willeford and another man and crashed his car.

The 26-year-old shooter also used his cellphone to tell his father he had been shot and did not think he would survive, authorities said.

While in the military, Kelley served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2010 until his 2014 discharge, Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek said.

He was discharged for the assault involving his previous wife and her child and had served a year of confinement after a court-martial. Under Pentagon rules, information about convictions of military personnel for crimes such as assault should be submitted to the FBI's Criminal Justice Investigation Services Division.

Stefanek said the service is launching a review of its handling of the case and taking a comprehensive look at its databases to ensure other cases have been reported correctly.

A few months before he received the bad-conduct discharge, sheriff's deputies went to his home to check out the domestic violence complaint involving him and his then-girlfriend. People in the house said there was no problem, and no arrests were made. Kelley married the girlfriend two months later.

Also in 2014, he was charged with misdemeanor animal cruelty in Colorado after a neighbor reported him for beating a dog. Kelley initially refused to speak with officers about the incident. He denied abusing the animal but complied with an order to pay almost $370 in restitution. He was also the focus of a protective order issued in Colorado in 2015.

Kelley lived in New Braunfels, about 35 miles north of the church, and had recently started a job as an unarmed security guard at a nearby resort.

Willeford had help from another local resident, Johnnie Langendorff, who said he was driving past the church as the shooting happened. The armed resident asked to get in Langendorff's truck, and the pair followed as the gunman drove away.

"He jumped in my truck and said, 'He just shot up the church. We need to go get him.' And I said 'Let's go,'" Langendorff said.

The pursuit reached speeds up to 90 mph. Willeford told Arkansas TV stations KHBS/KHOG that he kept a 911 operator advised of the situation during the chase. The gunman eventually lost control of his vehicle and crashed.

Willeford walked up to the vehicle with his gun drawn, and the attacker did not move. Police arrived about five minutes later, Langendorff said.

The assailant was dead in his vehicle. He had three gunshot wounds - two from where the armed man hit him in the leg and the torso and the third self-inflicted wound to the head, authorities said.

"There was no thinking about it. There was just doing. That was the key to all this. Act now. Ask questions later," Langendorff said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-...vors-devin-patrick-kelley-shot-crying-babies/
 
It's a mental health problem a little bit, but it is much more of a gun availability problem. Both things need to be discussed in detail in America.

Hmm, there are as many guns in Canada per head, where this type of incident happens rarely. But they have stronger control over who can buy firearms.

America is just a violent culture. Their whole national myth is about a good man who is pressurised into taking the law into his own hands.
 
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