"3 or 4 senior players are borderline cases regarding fitness" : Any guesses?

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PCB Chairman "Mickey Arthur's told me 3 or 4 senior players are borderline cases regarding fitness.I've told him they shouldn't be selected"</p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/841343058499252225">March 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[saeed5646]

umar akmal ,Sohail khan,sohail tanvir ,kamran akmal

 

[Boycottisno2]

Umar Akmal is one of them..... look at his bulging belly now

 

[ask_analyse_act]

sohail khan, umar akmal, sohail tanvir, hafeez

 

[last_knight]

A very polite way of saying 'Not fit into our game plan'.

Remember, a Super athlete Chris Gayle played 90% matches for KK under the coach MA. Also, Sharjeel and khalid Latif weren't super fit but they played under MA.

MA has found another common in the players with whim he isn't comfortable and trying his trick from another angle. Let's hope that PCB listen to him.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Sobers and Umar most definitely

Kamran perhaps

Sohail Khan has improved but still not there yet

 

[Syed1]

I think that is Mickey's way of saying he wants to offload the seniors from the squad. Fitness is just a bahana.. I hope Inzi is listening.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Is sohail tanvir in the camp ?

 

[Hamza_]

Both Akmals.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

have seen him all the time wearing gloves like this in fielding drills, could be one of the reason he drop too many catches.. not sure why the mgmt doesnt call him to drop his gloves and catch with normal hands so that he can feel the ball, which is the way he has to field in matches.. Except keeper no body can have the gloves in a match.. how serious is he will be towards fitness ?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Is sohail tanvir in the camp ?

off course, how could you leave out best cricket brain in Pakistan, especially after such an outstanding psl

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Can clearly the see new guy not in good shape... IS that Muhammad abbas? If that is Muhammad Abbas not sure how he managed to be a pace bowler... Cant see sadaf here in the pics uploaded here http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-ahead-of-West-Indies-tour-(ODIs-T20Is)/page2

and not sure why the thread is closed after posting all the new pics today

 

[Abdullah719]

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Can clearly the see new guy not in good shape... IS that Muhammad abbas? If that is Muhammad Abbas not sure how he managed to be a pace bowler... Cant see sadaf here in the pics uploaded here http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-ahead-of-West-Indies-tour-(ODIs-T20Is)/page2

and not sure why the thread is closed after posting all the new pics today

Mohammad Abbas on the left, yes.

Thread is open now.

 

[Big Mac]

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have seen him all the time wearing gloves like this in fielding drills, could be one of the reason he drop too many catches.. not sure why the mgmt doesnt call him to drop his gloves and catch with normal hands so that he can feel the ball, which is the way he has to field in matches.. Except keeper no body can have the gloves in a match.. how serious is he will be towards fitness ?

 

[Major]

Yasir Shah should also be in this brigade.

Yes Yasir Shah is atheletic, but he has a belly now, this is not a good sign for an athlete

good stuff by Arthur for emphasizing on fitness.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

but those players hardly drop catches, hafeez u know it... Misbah's and Azhar's love for him keeps him in slips forever.... If someone has a count for the no.of catches hafeez dropped.. Very interesting to know... I know many players use gloves for fielding drills, but i didnt mean it to say using gloves for fielding drills is wrong...Im saying that could be one of the reasons that hafeez drops a regulatory catch in every match which is not int'l standard

 

[Saj]

Should name and shame them and explain why they weren't selected.

Too often unfit players know they will be selected and that's why they and other unfit players dont bother improving their fitness.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Mohammad Abbas on the left, yes.

Thread is open now.

thanx bro..

 

[Square Drive]

I'm guessing those players are Umar Akmal (sadly), Sohail Khan, and Sohail Tanvir.

Not sure about Kamran because he's pretty much confirmed for WI, especially now that Rizwan isn't even in the camp.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Should name and shame them and explain why they weren't selected.

Too often unfit players know they will be selected and that's why they and other unfit players dont bother improving their fitness.

they go to the media and complain that another unfit player than him got selected and he was rejected for reasons known to selectors and not on fitness...

 

[Saj]

they go to the media and complain that another unfit player than him got selected and he was rejected for reasons known to selectors and not on fitness...

If they go to the media then fine them, ban them or whatever.

Lack of discipline should not be tolerated.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I'm guessing those players are Umar Akmal (sadly), Sohail Khan, and Sohail Tanvir.

Not sure about Kamran because he's pretty much confirmed for WI, especially now that Rizwan isn't even in the camp.

add hafeez to it...he is not in form, his remodelled action bowling is not getting any wickets... MA knows this and he already set his plan to kick him out... with babar azam now eligible to bowl and also shadab khan in i dont see hafeez will come in ... MA doesnt like hafeez (who is adamant to open and no.3 which is disturbing babar), sohail khan and tanvir... surely these 3 and UA can be dropped as only one akmal will be in...

 

[Hawkeye]

AHAHAHAH dude---brutal reply!

It's funny how things that are done all over the globe can be associated with "poor" performance of our players in certain areas.

 

[Square Drive]

add hafeez to it...he is not in form, his remodelled action bowling is not getting any wickets... MA knows this and he already set his plan to kick him out... with babar azam now eligible to bowl and also shadab khan in i dont see hafeez will come in ... MA doesnt like hafeez (who is adamant to open and no.3 which is disturbing babar), sohail khan and tanvir... surely these 3 and UA can be dropped as only one akmal will be in...

...Except Mickey just recently called for Hafeez to be added in the ODI squad against Australia.

Also, for what it's worth, Hafeez's fitness is up there compared to others.

 

[Pete Rose]

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have seen him all the time wearing gloves like this in fielding drills, could be one of the reason he drop too many catches.. not sure why the mgmt doesnt call him to drop his gloves and catch with normal hands so that he can feel the ball, which is the way he has to field in matches.. Except keeper no body can have the gloves in a match.. how serious is he will be towards fitness ?

He needs the sleeve to chuck

 

[aloo paratha]

potw

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Won't be surprised if our captain is unfit ...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

...Except Mickey just recently called for Hafeez to be added in the ODI squad against Australia.

Also, for what it's worth, Hafeez's fitness is up there compared to others.

that happened after he was cleared from the ban and his tests were alright...
not sure how much azhar ali convinced him to test hafeez against the lefties....

Now MA should have had enough look at him... simply hafeez is a player who can bat when there is no swing/seam... If there is swing/seam upfront expect him to nick one to the keeper /slip cordon inside 10 balls he will face.....hope MA have realized this, if not then sooner the better...his fitness is not right up there, remember himself said he was unfit but continued to play test cricket after he failed in all tests in english summer last year

 

[Hasan123]

Name and shame the players.

 

[msb314]

umar akmal ,Sohail khan,sohail tanvir ,kamran akmal

Umar Akmal is one of them..... look at his bulging belly now

sohail khan, umar akmal, sohail tanvir, hafeez

Sobers and Umar most definitely

Kamran perhaps

Sohail Khan has improved but still not there yet

Both Akmals.

I'm guessing those players are Umar Akmal (sadly), Sohail Khan, and Sohail Tanvir.

Not sure about Kamran because he's pretty much confirmed for WI, especially now that Rizwan isn't even in the camp.

Umar Akmal is not a "senior".

The players he is referring to are Hafeez, Sarfraz and Irfan - possibly Sohail Khan but not sure if he qualifies as a "senior" either.

 

[RehanG]

Umar Akmal is not a "senior".

The players he is referring to are Hafeez, Sarfraz and Irfan - possibly Sohail Khan but not sure if he qualifies as a "senior" either.

he's been playing for 9 years so he is senior..

 

[hailian]

Sarfraz has gained a lot of weight too, but they cant drop him as he is the captain

 

[Square Drive]

Umar Akmal is not a "senior".

The players he is referring to are Hafeez, Sarfraz and Irfan - possibly Sohail Khan but not sure if he qualifies as a "senior" either.

Umar's been involved in the setup for 8 years now and has played 100+ ODIs.

When exactly will he be a senior, if not now?

Also, I really don't think Mickey would tell SK to not pick the captain.

 

[MMHS]

Excluding Sarfraz, these are probably the seniors -

MoHa, Malik, Sohail, Wahab, Tanvir, Kamran. Malik is one of the fittest around, while Wahab is also fit. So, it's the other 4.

Which is obvious from SK's comment - it's 3 or 4, that's the space he has given Mickey & Inzi for Hafeez.

 

[msb314]

he's been playing for 9 years so he is senior..

Umar's been involved in the setup for 8 years now and has played 100+ ODIs.

When exactly will he be a senior, if not now?

Also, I really don't think Mickey would tell SK to not pick the captain.

I think Mickey is referring to seniors who are over 30.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-table-more-often-that-not-quot-Mickey-Arthur

Umar Akmal has played plenty but does not quite meet the age criteria - still unfit though.

Sarfraz, Hafeez and Kammy meet the criteria for sure and are probably the players he is referring to.

 

[moghul]

Misbah, simply due to his age, he is too old for international cricket. This a myth that if you don't have big belly and if you color your hair, you are considered fit, no. You can judge the way he moves in the filed, tired and unfit

YK, although not much younger but seemsl fit.

 

[msb314]

Excluding Sarfraz, these are probably the seniors -

MoHa, Malik, Sohail, Wahab, Tanvir, Kamran. Malik is one of the fittest around, while Wahab is also fit. So, it's the other 4.

Which is obvious from SK's comment - it's 3 or 4, that's the space he has given Mickey & Inzi for Hafeez.

I'm confused - which players are you referring to?

You pretty much listed all the seniors around as being fit. YK and Misbah are not listed but they are probably fitter than everyone else combined lol

Unless you are referring to Azhar who is not the fittest but probably still acceptable.

P.S. Hafeez looks lean but is very unfit - very injury prone and lacks endurance over the course of the season.

 

[Square Drive]

I think Mickey is referring to seniors who are over 30.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-table-more-often-that-not-quot-Mickey-Arthur

Umar Akmal has played plenty but does not quite meet the age criteria - still unfit though.

Sarfraz, Hafeez and Kammy meet the criteria for sure and are probably the players he is referring to.

Maybe but I don't see too many in the current side that are more unfit than Umar Akmal. I just don't see how Mickey can ignore Umar's fitness (or lack thereof).

No where does it say that you have to be 30+ to be a senior.

Again, don't see why he'd call the newly-appointed captain out.

I'm confused - which players are you referring to?

You pretty much listed all the seniors around as being fit. YK and Misbah are not listed but they are probably fitter than everyone else combined lol

Unless you are referring to Azhar who is not the fittest but probably still acceptable.

P.S. Hafeez looks lean but is very unfit - very injury prone and lacks endurance over the course of the season.

Read his post again, carefully. He put a full stop after Kamran and said that Malik and Wahab are fit, while implying that the rest are not.

 

[saeed5646]

According to one media channel these are the seniors players whose fitness is very poor after fitness test

kamran akmal, umar akmal ,sohail tanvir and imad wasim

today once again there fitness test will be taken before final decision on there selection



https://www.express.pk/story/764317/

 

[Square Drive]

How's Imad Wasim a senior? Also, him over Sohail Khan?

Would be a pretty bold move to exclude not only Kamran but also Imad based on fitness.

 

[saeed5646]

How's Imad Wasim a senior? Also, him over Sohail Khan?

Would be a pretty bold move to exclude not only Kamran but also Imad based on fitness.

if you listen to our 80 year old chairman interview yesterday he was saying some of them are seniors and

some are juniors who are on border line of fitness

 

[saeed5646]

imad wasim have gain weight which is so disapointing from a young player and kami was

struggling to breath when ever he scores 30+ in this year psl so i am not surprised by him

 

[Asif321]

good way to ignore Kami

 

[volcyz]

Unbelievable in this era, that professional sportsmen can be so lax about their diet and fitness.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Imad Wasim and Sarfi are young players but their fitness is atrocious. Pathetic to see.

 

[Ellipsism]

How's Imad Wasim a senior? Also, him over Sohail Khan?

Would be a pretty bold move to exclude not only Kamran but also Imad based on fitness.

Because Imad is consistent, and a valuable member of the team... No.

He only brings attitude to the table.

Should rightfully be dropped.

 

[Jabo]

Likely just rubbish

Chairman just wanted to say something to the media

 

[Abdullah]

Apparently its true,

Akmal brothers, tanvir and imad failed the test

 

[saeed5646]

so kamran akmal, imad wasim and yasir shah have cleared fitness test

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Apparently its true,

Akmal brothers, tanvir and imad failed the test

Imad is young and have a good family background why isn't he working on his fitness.?? Akmal brothers are niharyy eating daggayy they'll never care about fitness .. Tanveers body shape is so out of order it seems there's something wrong with his skeleton or something..

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Apparently its true,

Akmal brothers, tanvir and imad failed the test

so kamran akmal, imad wasim and yasir shah have cleared fitness test



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Two opposite news!!!

 

[Syed1]

Two opposite news!!!

That is Pakistani media for you

 

[saeed5646]

Two opposite news!!!

tomorrow(hopefully) squad will be announced then we will get the better picture

 

[JibranAnsari]

Why dont they name them clearly , why open doors for speculations.

 

[super hitter]

Hafeez really looks unfit, must be one of them.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Yasir Shah (he keeps getting unfit & injured), Umar Akmal, Sohail Khan & Azhar Ali

 

[Abdullah]

Two opposite news!!!

That is Pakistani media for you

no there were fitness tests yesterday and they were repeated today. they guys who didnt pass yesterday but passed today must have been borderline

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Umar Akmal is not a "senior".

The players he is referring to are Hafeez, Sarfraz and Irfan - possibly Sohail Khan but not sure if he qualifies as a "senior" either.

irfan and sarfraz are seniors not umar akmal lol.. UA is playing and in the setup since MYK's captaincy... Moreover irfan is attending the case tribunal and now charged by pcb and provisionally suspended from all forms of cricket......

 

[ask_analyse_act]

tomorrow(hopefully) squad will be announced then we will get the better picture

tomorrow will be a match from these pool of players ...and the squad will be announced on 16th is wat MA said.......

 

[yasir]

Management has spread myth that some seniors are fit aka Misbah and YK, last year we saw in 10 test, they did not look fit to play test cricket in most of the test matches, specially Misbah, who looked completely out of place with the demands for test cricket in western world...one or two good innings and failed in 15+ is not good enough for test cricket... All these 35+ seniors are mostly horrible in regard to fitness...PCB had encourage old players in last few years, that was bad precedent, now if Misbah is standard of fitness, everybody thinks they have shot at national team, its hard to come up with policies now, its messed up culture, we cannot continue down that path

 

[Square Drive]

Because Imad is consistent, and a valuable member of the team... No.

He only brings attitude to the table.

Should rightfully be dropped.

Imad will be extremely valuable in the coming games.

Will be an asset in WI and Bangladesh, and I believe he'll manage to hold his own in the CT as well.

 

[Ellipsism]

Imad will be extremely valuable in the coming games.

Will be an asset in WI and Bangladesh, and I believe he'll manage to hold his own in the CT as well.

He can only hold his own against brainless hacks and teams that have never faced him before.

Failed against NZ

Failed Against WI (ODI leg)

Did well against England

Failed in Australia

Present a straight bat to this guy and any sort of potently he possesses (arm ball) is nullified.

 

[Square Drive]

He can only hold his own against brainless hacks and teams that have never faced him before.

Failed against NZ

Failed Against WI (ODI leg)

Did well against England

Failed in Australia

Present a straight bat to this guy and any sort of potently he possesses (arm ball) is nullified.

It's completely normal for a spinner to fail in NZ/AUS. Yasir failed there as well.

Even then, Imad did well in the ODI we won in Australia.

If you're discarding Imad based on his failures down-under, you don't know how the game works.

 

[Ellipsism]

It's completely normal for a spinner to fail in NZ/AUS. Yasir failed there as well.

Even then, Imad did well in the ODI we won in Australia.

If you're discarding Imad based on his failures down-under, you don't know how the game works.

There is a clear difference between between simply not looking threatening (the examples I provided in a previous post) and failing due to conditions not being supportive to 'spinners'-(despite Imad not being a spinner).

What I'm trying to go at is that as soon as teams present the full face of the bat Imad is uslesss.

 

[Square Drive]

There is a clear difference between between simply not looking threatening (the examples I provided in a previous post) and failing due to conditions not being supportive to 'spinners'-(despite Imad not being a spinner).

What I'm trying to go at is that as soon as teams present the full face of the bat Imad is uslesss.

That's what it seems like, but Imad somehow always manages to hold his own.

He's a utility cricketer and a proper batsman to go with it. Can bat at #6 in ODIs.

He's here to stay.

 

[Ellipsism]

That's what it seems like, but Imad somehow always manages to hold his own.

He's a utility cricketer and a proper batsman to go with it. Can bat at #6 in ODIs.

He's here to stay.

Again with this bland argument of "Imad always manages to hold his own" what a load of rubbish.

I'll repeat it again, he only manages to hold his own against brainless hacks (WI) and teams that have never faced him before.

I don't rate his batting either, not good enough to bat anywhere in the top six in LOI cricket and to add on Shadab is a much, much better batsman.

 

[Square Drive]

Again with this bland argument of "Imad always manages to hold his own" what a load of rubbish.

I'll repeat it again, he only manages to hold his own against brainless hacks (WI) and teams that have never faced him before.

I don't rate his batting either, not good enough to bat anywhere in the top six in LOI cricket and to add on Shadab is a much, much better batsman.

What am I supposed to say to you? You won't agree he's good enough.

What you're giving me is a load of rubbish. "Teams that have never faced him before". He's not even a couple years into his career so obviously each team he's gonna be playing has in all likelihood "never faced him before."

He will be successful against NZ/AUS in the UAE and will dominate WI, SL, BD. We don't play India. He did well against England which you yourself have admitted.

He'll only really fail down-under and that's about it.

What exactly are you asking for?

Not my fault you don't rate his batting. I do.

Him and Shadab can coexist.

 

[saeed5646]

tomorrow will be a match from these pool of players ...and the squad will be announced on 16th is wat MA said.......

news channel was saying today they will announced squad lets see what happen

 

[Ellipsism]

What am I supposed to say to you? You won't agree he's good enough.

What you're giving me is a load of rubbish. "Teams that have never faced him before". He's not even a couple years into his career so obviously each team he's gonna be playing has in all likelihood "never faced him before."

He will be successful against NZ/AUS in the UAE and will dominate WI, SL, BD. We don't play India. He did well against England which you yourself have admitted.

He'll only really fail down-under and that's about it.

What exactly are you asking for?

Not my fault you don't rate his batting. I do.

Him and Shadab can coexist.

Bowling average of 37.5 in Asia

17.55 in Europe

61.75 in Oceania



Average of 32.66 against SL

Average of 50 against Aus

Average of 36 against England

Average of 42.33 against WI

Average 15 against Zim

Bear in my mind he failed against teams that are renowned for being inept against spin. What do you think the likes of Bangladesh and India will do to this guy?

 

[Amirforpresident]

Dont know which thread to put this so Just going to put it here.

Practice game in which Sarfraz and Wahab were captains:

PCB Green vs PCB White Practice Match : Shoaib Malik and Babar Azam scored century.
Muhammad Scored Duck . We all know Who this is
Shinwari takes 3 Wickets.

 

[Square Drive]

Bowling average of 37.5 in Asia

17.55 in Europe

61.75 in Oceania



Average of 32.66 against SL

Average of 50 against Aus

Average of 36 against England

Average of 42.33 against WI

Average 15 against Zim

Bear in my mind he failed against teams that are renowned for being inept against spin. What do you think the likes of Bangladesh and India will do to this guy?

He's an all-rounder, and not a specialist spinner. He's not seen as a replacement for Ajmal, but rather as a replacement for someone like Hafeez.

His job is not necessarily to take wickets. I see him as a container who's job is to give ~45 runs in his 10 overs, with any wickets he takes a bonus. Additionally he should score 25-30 per game.

If he can do that, he's done his job.

His average is not supposed to be pretty.

Shadab on the other hand is more of a wicket-taking bowler.