5,000 patwaris to be appointed in Punjab Government

[MRSN]

LAHORE: Punjab government will appoint patwaris to meet the shortage in the province as the Board of Revenue (BoR) is in dire need of 5,000 patwaris which are essential for the hierarchy of the revenue department, The News has learnt.

The Senior Member Board of Revenue mentioned in a review meeting on the performance of the department that it was facing a severe shortage of human resources. Currently, they are in need of 5,000 patwaris which are essential for the hierarchy of the revenue department. He asked the chair of the meeting provincial Finance Minister Hashim Jawan Bakht to allow hiring of 5,000 patwaris.

According to the meeting minutes, the Senior Member Board of Revenue (SMBR) suggested that cost of hiring 5,000 patwaris which are essential could be managed from the revenue collected by the BoR from the province. “The cost for hiring of 5,000 patwaris, earmarking a certain percentage of revenue collected by BoR for operations and human resource requirements of BoR,” the SMBR suggested, justifying that this act will result in increase in revenue collection for the whole province. Furthermore, if the department is provided a share of the revenue it collects it will take care of its own expenses, including pensions. According to the minutes, Finance Minister Hashim Jawan Bakht appreciated the proposal and directed the BoR to present the financial outlay for different hiring options to finance secretary and decide a way forward.

Further, the meeting also raised concerns on the performance of the Punjab Land Record Authority (PLRA), specifically on wait and processing times of the applications as the public was facing issues on both counts. The meeting instructed strict monitoring of service delivery by PLRA should be undertaken to facilitate the customer base and special attention should be paid to wait and processing times.

Further, in order to facilitate citizens and improve ease of access to land record services, the meeting suggested the collaboration between Nadra and PLRA can be further increased to include other services such as ‘inteqal’ transfers. It was further suggested that collaboration with Bank of Punjab can also be undertaken to increase outreach. According to the documents, the SMBR informed that the satellite centres have been piloted at ‘mauza’ level. These will be based in district administration offices and will be manned by patwaris who will have access to LRMIS software. For this purpose, 9,000 laptops have been requested from the Higher Education Department.

The PLRA in an attempt to improve service delivery and facilitate citizens with regard to land record services has initiated expansion of land record services by establishment of Arazi Record Centres at Qanoongoi level. In this connection, a target of 115 centres has been set for the financial year 2020-21, out of which 32 have been operationalised and 83 have yet to be established. Further, mobile van services were introduced for which 10 mobile vans equipped with requisite technology will provide land record services in rural areas.

 

[MRSN]

So all this time Imran Khan and his supporters were really against Patwaris and their practices and they were telling the nation how PMLN supports this mafia.

We are 2.5 years in PTI govt. and what we are seeing is PTI itself going opposite to what they were preaching themselves.

Also contrary to what PTIand Imran khan says about Patwaris and PMLN relationship, Shahbaz Sharif started a project in 2013 to computrize the land record system with the help of world bank and he employeed hundreds of educated people with computer skills to take over Patwaris and it was all going very successful until recently when the things started to suddenly change in the favor of old system and Patwar culture.


Those hundreds of people who worked hard to computerize the old manual system and brought reforms have been neither made permanent nor they have got any scale. While these 5000 patwaris will get scale as well as be parmament from day 1.

It is remarkable chain of events that I have witnessed in Punjab in Revenue Department and looks like Imran Khan has no knowledge whats happening in Punjab.

 

[MenInG]

Lack of staff so new people brought in?

 

[Mamoon]

As I have said many times, PTI is the biggest scam this county has ever seen.

 

[Bewal Express]

So all this time Imran Khan and his supporters were really against Patwaris and their practices and they were telling the nation how PMLN supports this mafia.

We are 2.5 years in PTI govt. and what we are seeing is PTI itself going opposite to what they were preaching themselves.

Also contrary to what PTIand Imran khan says about Patwaris and PMLN relationship, Shahbaz Sharif started a project in 2013 to computrize the land record system with the help of world bank and he employeed hundreds of educated people with computer skills to take over Patwaris and it was all going very successful until recently when the things started to suddenly change in the favor of old system and Patwar culture.


Those hundreds of people who worked hard to computerize the old manual system and brought reforms have been neither made permanent nor they have got any scale. While these 5000 patwaris will get scale as well as be parmament from day 1.

It is remarkable chain of events that I have witnessed in Punjab in Revenue Department and looks like Imran Khan has no knowledge whats happening in Punjab.

What do you suggest? If 5000 are needed then why is it a problem. Its the misuse of the patwaris that is the problem, not the hiring.

 

[Bewal Express]

As I have said many times, PTI is the biggest scam this county has ever seen.

As I said, you are watching these threads like a hawk in the hope you find something but alas you find little and hide under your woodwork.

 

[wajid]

Seriously this is 2021 and they still can’t make computerised land records?

 

[shaaik]

Seriously this is 2021 and they still can’t make computerised land records?

But u wd still need Patwaris..

 

[Bewal Express]

Seriously this is 2021 and they still can’t make computerised land records?

Agreed, they need to digitise all records but PK is a large country and someone still needs to oversea the records. The reason Patwaris are infamous is because they were used for dhandli in elections. Hence the reason the Nooras are commonly known as Patwaris

 

[wajid]

But u wd still need Patwaris..

For what?

 

[wajid]

Agreed, they need to digitise all records but PK is a large country and someone still needs to oversea the records. The reason Patwaris are infamous is because they were used for dhandli in elections. Hence the reason the Nooras are commonly known as Patwaris

Government with all of their incompetence management to digitise NADRA. Surely, this should be easier. To those concerned with destruction of avenues of corruption, please let them know that dhaandli can still be made with digital records. In fact some might argue that it may become more efficient.

 

[MRSN]

Seriously this is 2021 and they still can’t make computerised land records?

That system was in place and run by master degree holders IT specialists. Punjab Land Records Authority was formed to make it digitised. It was actually a project started by Shahbaz Sharif PMLN govt in 2013 with the help of World Bank. Almost 70% of manual land records was computerised and special IT based people were hired theough PPSC and NTS. Arazi Record Centers were established in each tehsil to provide people services on merit just like NADRA.

But we all know what powers Patwaris used to hold and help district govt as well as some politicians and rich class so this system was not helping Patwaris indirectly not helping the district govt and some of politicians and rich class.

So ever since the new govt. came in Punjab and had a new CM Punjab who had lack of experience and we all know where Imran Khan himself focus had, It was a perfect time for people who wanted the old powers of Patwaris back hence they slowly took over the Punjab Land Records Authority who was an independent institution and used it to restore old Patwari powers.

 

[MRSN]

What do you suggest? If 5000 are needed then why is it a problem. Its the misuse of the patwaris that is the problem, not the hiring.

Their was no need of Patwaris ever since Punjab Land Records Authority was formed. If they needed more people they would have asked for vacant seats through PPSC

But these are 5000 people who will be hired not through PPSC but by directly district govt.

Imagine this is happening under PTI govt. in 2021. Where is merit? We all know what happens when jobs like this method are given.

 

[Bewal Express]

Their was no need of Patwaris ever since Punjab Land Records Authority was formed. If they needed more people they would have asked for vacant seats through PPSC

But these are 5000 people who will be hired not through PPSC but by directly district govt.

Imagine this is happening under PTI govt. in 2021. Where is merit? We all know what happens when jobs like this method are given.

For a start the whole debate is based what you post and as we have seen many times, what Nooras post on here will turn out to be fake. If you look at 99% of the news from the Noora media cell its fake.
If its true, then I agree correct procedures need to be followed. But can you explain why Nooras are also known as Patwaris? What's the relationship between the ganja brothers and Patwaris in PK, what did they do. As you are on here, can you explain why IK has recovered close to 200bn from the Qabza mafia, why since 2008,have the Qabza mafia taken over state land, why are so many Noora MNAS and MPAs involved, who are Khokhar brothers and Mansha Bomb. I anticipate your reply on the Qabza mafia in Punjab

 

[MRSN]

But u wd still need Patwaris..

but they should be recruited through proper institutionl like PPSC not through distric govts. This is joke of merit Imran Khan himself keeps talking about.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Pakistan is not going anywhere without Patwaris. hahaha

 

[Bigboii]

Ok, so "Patwari" SS developed a system where Patwari were slowly pushed back to the brink but then next Wasim Akram came from S Punjab quota and is bringing back Patwaris

This represents what's happening in Punjab in someways tbh everything that SS worked so hard to achieve is slowly being rolled back and being replaced by the old ways of how Punjab used to be

I can count the achievements of PTI Punjab gov on my fingertips but during SS you could feel the transformation happening before your very own eyes

Unfortunately, when I went to Punjab, it wasn't the same as it was in SS administration nowadays pile of rubbish everywhere but past administration (both PMLN, PMLQ) were very proactive, hell I remember we complained about the stray dogs and garbage litterlally in two-three days both of these situation were handled and we had no complaints about those situations ever again cause than regularly dedicated departments would show up clean the mess

- regular middle-class people with no political connections and for the first time gov actually cared - but they are corrupt...

but now there's nothing but garbage everywhere forget any additional project they can't even do basic jobs like cleaning up the graabage something that both PMLN and PML Q did

There's nothing but complaints about these morons from people's back home, I wish they create S Punjab province ASAP and leave Punjab to people who are competent people and "care" about its well being

cause it damn near feels like governor general ruling Punjab rn

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Ok, so "Patwari" SS developed a system where Patwari were slowly pushed back to the brink but then next Wasim Akram came from S Punjab quota and is bringing back Patwaris

This represents what's happening in Punjab in someways tbh everything that SS worked so hard to achieve is slowly being rolled back and being replaced by the old ways of how Punjab used to be

I can count the achievements of PTI Punjab gov on my fingertips but during SS you could feel the transformation happening before your very own eyes

Unfortunately, when I went to Punjab, it wasn't the same as it was in SS administration nowadays pile of rubbish everywhere but past administration (both PMLN, PMLQ) were very proactive, hell I remember we complained about the stray dogs and garbage litterlally in two-three days both of these situation were handled and we had no complaints about those situations ever again cause than regularly dedicated departments would show up clean the mess

- regular middle-class people with no political connections and for the first time gov actually cared - but they are corrupt...

but now there's nothing but garbage everywhere forget any additional project they can't even do basic jobs like cleaning up the graabage something that both PMLN and PML Q did

There's nothing but complaints about these morons from people's back home, I wish they create S Punjab province ASAP and leave Punjab to people who are competent people and "care" about its well being

cause it damn near feels like governor general ruling Punjab rn

hey wait for Bewal express to response. you have asked for trouble here.
run and hide now.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ok, so "Patwari" SS developed a system where Patwari were slowly pushed back to the brink but then next Wasim Akram came from S Punjab quota and is bringing back Patwaris

This represents what's happening in Punjab in someways tbh everything that SS worked so hard to achieve is slowly being rolled back and being replaced by the old ways of how Punjab used to be

I can count the achievements of PTI Punjab gov on my fingertips but during SS you could feel the transformation happening before your very own eyes

Unfortunately, when I went to Punjab, it wasn't the same as it was in SS administration nowadays pile of rubbish everywhere but past administration (both PMLN, PMLQ) were very proactive, hell I remember we complained about the stray dogs and garbage litterlally in two-three days both of these situation were handled and we had no complaints about those situations ever again cause than regularly dedicated departments would show up clean the mess

- regular middle-class people with no political connections and for the first time gov actually cared - but they are corrupt...

but now there's nothing but garbage everywhere forget any additional project they can't even do basic jobs like cleaning up the graabage something that both PMLN and PML Q did

There's nothing but complaints about these morons from people's back home, I wish they create S Punjab province ASAP and leave Punjab to people who are competent people and "care" about its well being

cause it damn near feels like governor general ruling Punjab rn

When SS took over the Punjab govt had a surplus of a 100bn, when this competent guy left we had a deficit of 2 trillion. Tell me what he did he did with this money? Well look at the family and how many are on the run, let's start off with the head of the family SS, billions ended up in his account, but apparently he didn't know, now I don't know about you but I don't get a penny In my accounts from any unknown sources, so why these generous donations to him. But it doesn't stop there, his son also has billions in his accounts, who are these generous people, why are they framing these innocent people. Well they include the chai walas, pakora walas etc and although they have never left PK, for some evil reason they have been putting billions in this families accounts from abroad. If only these poor sods knew they were so rich But it doesn't stop there, his son in law stole 24 crore from the Saf Pani scheme, not a drop of Saf pani reached the intended but he did escape to London and has today been declared as an absconder. But it gets better, his wife and Daughter are involved but how dare IK accuse his daughter and wife, although this crook had no shame in using them as fronts.
Oh, yes the garbage, SS signed contracts with Turkish companies and paid huge sums but the large sums were paid to dispose of the garbage and convert into electricity. None of this was done. And I have just touched the surface.

This competent person did such an amazing job that the incompetent Buzdar has recovered over 200bn in just 2 years from the Qabza mafia. And who is the Qabza mafia, well you guessed it, they are SSs and Hamzas front men. Who is Mansha Bomb, Tiffa Butt, or the Khokhars. He was CM 10 years and he created this mafia and apparently this criminality is seen as competent.

And you have the audacity to talk about democracy. Shame on you for being an accomplice of such pathetic losers.

 

[Bewal Express]

hey wait for Bewal express to response. you have asked for trouble here.
run and hide now.

Nooras deserve and get a beating at my hands. I asked [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] earlier about the Qabza mafia and he ran away. Who is Tiffa Butt, Mansha Bomb and the Khokhars? Why has Buzdar recovered over 200bn worth of land from these thugs? Where was SS when this Qabza was taking place? Why do Nooras run when even basic facts are given?

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Nooras deserve and get a beating at my hands. I asked [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] earlier about the Qabza mafia and he ran away. Who is Tiffa Butt, Mansha Bomb and the Khokhars? Why has Buzdar recovered over 200bn worth of land from these thugs? Where was SS when this Qabza was taking place? Why do Nooras run when even basic facts are given?

if wasrim akram plus doing that great job then why you think PMLQ are not happy with him? and some youthias as well. What could be the reasons?

 

[Bewal Express]

if wasrim akram plus doing that great job then why you think PMLQ are not happy with him? and some youthias as well. What could be the reasons?

The guy has the personality of a slug. His pursuit of the Qabza mafia has been box office. Mansha bomb on the run, over 200bn of land recovered from all the major Noora leaders in Punjab. They also include the likes Danyal Aziz, something like 2000 kanal recovered from the crook.

PML-N leader Malik Mazhar Rasheed Khan (25 acres of Auqaf property with a worth of Rs37m),
Former MPA Mir Badshah Qaisrani (10,000 kanals from 33,000 kanals of agricultural land with a worth of Rs1bn)
Former MPA Mir Badshah Qaisrani (10,000 kanals from 33,000 kanals of agricultural land with a worth of Rs1bn)
Ijaz Ahmed (1,732 kanals with a worth of Rs0.5bn which will be retrieved),
Former MPA Sher Ali Khan Gorchani (1,200 kanals from 7,500 kanals of forest land with a worth of Rs1.25bn)
Former MNA Abid Sher Ali (11 acres of state property on Jhang road with a worth of Rs2bn)
Javed Hashmi's son-in-law (60 acres of agricultural land of Auqaf property)
Maiza Hameed's husband (70 acres of land of irrigation department with a worth of Rs0.1bn

 

[Bigboii]

When SS took over the Punjab govt had a surplus of a 100bn, when this competent guy left we had a deficit of 2 trillion.

what would an unused surplus achieve, isn't it thier to be used to make sure developments happens our infrastructure grow, businesses make money, and it happened in Punjab from 2008 to 2017
US is constantly in deficit that means economy must be a mess... I wish it was as simple as that, people actually bought Punjab gov bonds cause they had trust in the gov...

Tell me what he did he did with this money? Well look at the family and how many are on the run, let's start off with the head of the family SS, billions ended up in his account, but apparently he didn't know, now I don't know about you but I don't get a penny In my accounts from any unknown sources, so why these generous donations to him. But it doesn't stop there, his son also has billions in his accounts, who are these generous people, why are they framing these innocent people. Well they include the chai walas, pakora walas etc and although they have never left PK, for some evil reason they have been putting billions in this families accounts from abroad. If only these poor sods knew they were so rich But it doesn't stop there, his son in law stole 24 crore from the Saf Pani scheme, not a drop of Saf pani reached the intended but he did escape to London and has today been declared as an absconder. But it gets better, his wife and Daughter are involved but how dare IK accuse his daughter and wife, although this crook had no shame in using them as fronts.

Honestly, who cares about the corruption give me the corrupt SS over the dummy Voiceroy next Wasim Akram, atleast people had jobs under the corrupt SS, people were well fed, Infrastructure was booming, businesses were making millions of RP but now nothing, no activity
what good is the honesty when the honest guy refuses to do any of his basic administrative duties like picking up trash, maintaining the roads, cleaning up the streets from stray animals hurting the kids with terrible rabbie infected bites and drug needles everywhere on the street people out of work, youth doing drugs high as kites because of financial deppresion? they have ruined Punjab

No one is asking for a lot here tbh you already have paid employees for these basic tasks, I am not asking them to built skyscrapers - economy cant be an excuse here its sheer incompetence!
Also Isn't this corruption too?
when you refuse to do your job isn't this moral corruption too?

So PTI isn't even honest what kind of honest party refuses to do these basic tasks?



Oh, yes the garbage, SS signed contracts with Turkish companies and paid huge sums but the large sums were paid to dispose of the garbage and convert into electricity. None of this was done. And I have just touched the surface.

Ok none of this was done, they were corrupt; they were the worst OK got it
but no one saw any garbage on the street PTI despite being the party of average person refuses to listen to average person
but the corrupt elitists did!
This is the problem I am not even asking them to build crazy infrastructure like PMLN, PMLQ atleast just do your basic administrative work that used to happen under PMLN, PML Q
you don't need billions of $ to do that

If money is not the problem, then isn't it just pure incompetence?

This competent person did such an amazing job that the incompetent Buzdar has recovered over 200bn in just 2 years from the Qabza mafia. And who is the Qabza mafia, well you guessed it, they are SSs and Hamzas front men. Who is Mansha Bomb, Tiffa Butt, or the Khokhars. He was CM 10 years and he created this mafia and apparently this criminality is seen as competent.

He didn't create the mafia he ignored them because of votes from the specific clans just like PTI does with criminal element clans that voted for PTI this is how Pak politics is at the local level works
you think PTI won without clan support and criminal elements are almost like the "protector" of the entire clan-

Khokhar is a criminal in the eyes of the law but for their clans he is thier protector to get their support you don't touch the criminal Kokhar

PTI touched cause Kokhars don't support them, and they don't touch criminal elements of clans that already supported them

- only difference these groups are from central Punjab didn't support PTI clans that supported PTI thier criminal elements were and are being ignored!

It's simply political party in Gov killing off the street support of opposition and when PMLN would come in power, they would simply go take the criminal elements of clans supporting PTI of the streets

This is local politics, happening for decades and you are being gaslighted by PTI gov as usual...

And you have the audacity to talk about democracy. Shame on you for being an accomplice of such pathetic losers.

Yes I have the audacity cause IK is the populist phase of democracy but in the end people get the choice to choose the "emotional" choice the logical one...

...

 

[Bewal Express]

...

Lots of excuses for criminality. Sorry did I miss where you said he should be in jail for his theft from the poor of billions. Make sure you don't ever mention democracy again when you post this crap to excuse a murderer who Stole billions.

 

[Bigboii]

Lots of excuses for criminality. Sorry did I miss where you said he should be in jail for his theft from the poor of billions. Make sure you don't ever mention democracy again when you post this crap to excuse a murderer who Stole billions.

I will continue to do so cause democracy brings them in power...
And continued democracy will improve our system where people even better than them will show up

 

[Bewal Express]

I will continue to do so cause democracy brings them in power...
And continued democracy will improve our system where people even better than them will show up

Yes off course you will, its just that when you are an apologist for a murderer and a looter, it has about much as credibility as a Nazi talking about the rights of Jewish people. You are not a democrat, you are a ghulam.

 

[Zeshan547]

Ok, so "Patwari" SS developed a system where Patwari were slowly pushed back to the brink but then next Wasim Akram came from S Punjab quota and is bringing back Patwaris

This represents what's happening in Punjab in someways tbh everything that SS worked so hard to achieve is slowly being rolled back and being replaced by the old ways of how Punjab used to be

I can count the achievements of PTI Punjab gov on my fingertips but during SS you could feel the transformation happening before your very own eyes

Unfortunately, when I went to Punjab, it wasn't the same as it was in SS administration nowadays pile of rubbish everywhere but past administration (both PMLN, PMLQ) were very proactive, hell I remember we complained about the stray dogs and garbage litterlally in two-three days both of these situation were handled and we had no complaints about those situations ever again cause than regularly dedicated departments would show up clean the mess

- regular middle-class people with no political connections and for the first time gov actually cared - but they are corrupt...

but now there's nothing but garbage everywhere forget any additional project they can't even do basic jobs like cleaning up the graabage something that both PMLN and PML Q did

There's nothing but complaints about these morons from people's back home, I wish they create S Punjab province ASAP and leave Punjab to people who are competent people and "care" about its well being

cause it damn near feels like governor general ruling Punjab rn

Corrupt looters any day over this current "Emandar" but incompetent regime. Voting for this tabdeeli scam is my biggest regret in life and i am hell sure i am not the only one with this feeling. But what we resident Pakistanis know. Just wish these expats were forced to live under their Emandar regime in rising Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

Ok, so "Patwari" SS developed a system where Patwari were slowly pushed back to the brink but then next Wasim Akram came from S Punjab quota and is bringing back Patwaris

This represents what's happening in Punjab in someways tbh everything that SS worked so hard to achieve is slowly being rolled back and being replaced by the old ways of how Punjab used to be

I can count the achievements of PTI Punjab gov on my fingertips but during SS you could feel the transformation happening before your very own eyes

Unfortunately, when I went to Punjab, it wasn't the same as it was in SS administration nowadays pile of rubbish everywhere but past administration (both PMLN, PMLQ) were very proactive, hell I remember we complained about the stray dogs and garbage litterlally in two-three days both of these situation were handled and we had no complaints about those situations ever again cause than regularly dedicated departments would show up clean the mess

- regular middle-class people with no political connections and for the first time gov actually cared - but they are corrupt...

but now there's nothing but garbage everywhere forget any additional project they can't even do basic jobs like cleaning up the graabage something that both PMLN and PML Q did

There's nothing but complaints about these morons from people's back home, I wish they create S Punjab province ASAP and leave Punjab to people who are competent people and "care" about its well being

cause it damn near feels like governor general ruling Punjab rn

During shehbaz time, people from cities outside of Lahore and Pindi were complaining and Multan, Bahawalpur people outright wanted new province. Maybe now resources are being spread across the 100mm people province rather focused on one city of 10-15mm?

In any case I think Punjab is way too big and needs to be broken into provinces. A seraiki / bahwalpur-multan division province seems like a natural fit

 

[Bigboii]

Corrupt looters any day over this current "Emandar" but incompetent regime. Voting for this tabdeeli scam is my biggest regret in life and i am hell sure i am not the only one with this feeling. But what we resident Pakistanis know. Just wish these expats were forced to live under their Emandar regime in rising Pakistan.

When I went to Lahore on my last visit I was SO depressed!
I have never seen so many heroin needles so easily seen throughout the city; it seems hard drugs are on the rise because of the economic fallout; I know Lahore is known for prostitution but it was never so in your face; it was hush, hush
Now on most major streets so many women are out and about who you can clearly identify as prostitutes, rubbish everywhere the levels of which I never saw in my lifetime, back in the day you could call gov and they would respond now no one cares

What's happening in Faisalabad? I remember going there all the time; it was bustling, thier government was way more proactive than Lahore's (my relatives lived thier)

 

[Bigboii]

During shehbaz time, people from cities outside of Lahore and Pindi were complaining and Multan, Bahawalpur people outright wanted new province. Maybe now resources are being spread across the 100mm people province rather focused on one city of 10-15mm?

In any case I think Punjab is way too big and needs to be broken into provinces. A seraiki / bahwalpur-multan division province seems like a natural fit

(I know Faisalabad, Sialkot they were also happy) but

PLEASE break PUNJAB! PLEASE I AM LITTERALLY BEGGING
do it ASAP

I know SS mentioning that a lot of CP budget was transferred and spent in SP under his administration, so rest of Punjab actually helped SP get up on its feet but kept on hearing complaints after another from SP (who later voted for PTI making an electoral PTI victory in the process)

So why should prosperous Punjab feed the less prosperous Punjab when in the end one ends up hearing complains? - time to cut the connection and let them fly
time to Keep Punjab funds in places who actually generate money


but they won't they want to torture rest of the Punjab further and drag it till election
Even PMLN was down for SP province, the holdup is from PTI to keep whole of Punjab for itself

 

[Slog]

(I know Faisalabad, Sialkot they were also happy) but

PLEASE break PUNJAB! PLEASE I AM LITTERALLY BEGGING
do it ASAP

I know SS mentioning that a lot of CP budget was transferred and spent in SP under his administration, so rest of Punjab actually helped SP get up on its feet but kept on hearing complaints after another from SP (who later voted for PTI making an electoral PTI victory in the process)

So why should prosperous Punjab feed the less prosperous Punjab when in the end one ends up hearing complains? - time to cut the connection and let them fly
time to Keep Punjab funds in places who actually generate money


but they won't they want to torture rest of the Punjab further and drag it till election
Even PMLN was down for SP province, the holdup is from PTI to keep whole of Punjab for itself

PML-N is not down for south Punjab province. Anyone who even remotely brought it up for the time they were in control; PML-N swiftly shut them down.

 

[Slog]

PML-N is not down for south Punjab province. Anyone who even remotely brought it up for the time they were in control; PML-N swiftly shut them down.

This south Punjab thing is brought up before every election but then forgotten by winning party always.

For a party in power in Punjab, having Punjab be one province bring lot of benefits whether it’s massive funds which can then be directed to favorite places or a larger say in senate races or a whole host of other things.

PTI especially won’t do it because it won Punjab due to south Punjab.

 

[Slog]

Also Punjab was not some land of milk and honey during Shehbaz Sharif tenure either as some people here are painting rosy picture.

I haven’t been in PTI era but from the cities I’ve been to (Lahore, Pindi and Faisalabad) in 2014 or so; only some areas of Lahore were genuinely impressive and I was like ‘I wish Karachi was this clean and organized.’ But those Lahore areas were fairly upscale and that was the whole complaint of rest of Punjab (and rest of country frankly) that budget for 100mm people is being spent on a city of 10 mm people. (but then again it’s not like Khi upscale areas that good.) Faisalabad especially was dusty and run of the mill. Pindi was ok. And mind you I’m assuming I was taken to nice places anyway.

 

[Bigboii]

PML-N is not down for south Punjab province. Anyone who even remotely brought it up for the time they were in control; PML-N swiftly shut them down.

Well this is splendid news for PTI expose tham
this is from 2020
PML-N supports south Punjab province as per PA resolution

MULTAN: PML-N Secretary General Ahsan Iqbal said his party offers unconditional support to the government on the issue of creation of south Punjab and Bahawalpur provinces if legislation is done as per the resolution passed by the Punjab Assembly.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1540962
PTI is in the majority
PMLN atleast says they want to create a new province

Bring it to PA if they refuse to vote you can expose thier hypocrisy,

Making assumption on what PMLN would actually do is childish and a delaying tactic by PTI to rulling Punjab
everyone knows what's up even PTI isn't even truly sincere when it somes to south Punjab

 

[Bigboii]

This south Punjab thing is brought up before every election but then forgotten by winning party always.

For a party in power in Punjab, having Punjab be one province bring lot of benefits whether it’s massive funds which can then be directed to favorite places or a larger say in senate races or a whole host of other things.

PTI especially won’t do it because it won Punjab due to south Punjab.

hit the nail in the coffin...

 

[Slog]

Well this is splendid news for PTI expose tham
this is from 2020
PML-N supports south Punjab province as per PA resolution

MULTAN: PML-N Secretary General Ahsan Iqbal said his party offers unconditional support to the government on the issue of creation of south Punjab and Bahawalpur provinces if legislation is done as per the resolution passed by the Punjab Assembly.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1540962
PTI is in the majority
PMLN atleast says they want to create a new province

Bring it to PA if they refuse to vote you can expose thier hypocrisy,

Making assumption on what PMLN would actually do is childish and a delaying tactic by PTI to rulling Punjab
everyone knows what's up even PTI isn't even truly sincere when it somes to south Punjab

Till 2018 PML-N was strictly against Soutn Punjab province. And PTI was for it.

It flipped when the person in power changed.

And when PML-N will come in power again; then again the views will flip.

The reality is both know that for power consolidation; a south punjab province doesn’t make sense. PTI will be slightly for it more than PML-N but neither really are.

If PML-N really wanted one then it might have tried to do something in the 10 years they were in power. Sharing articles post 2018 summer, doesn’t prove anything.

 

[Bigboii]

Till 2018 PML-N was strictly against Soutn Punjab province. And PTI was for it.

It flipped when the person in power changed.

And when PML-N will come in power again; then again the views will flip.

The reality is both know that for power consolidation; a south punjab province doesn’t make sense. PTI will be slightly for it more than PML-N but neither really are.

If PML-N really wanted one then it might have tried to do something in the 10 years they were in power. Sharing articles post 2018 summer, doesn’t prove anything.

of course opposition like to play the SP Prov card - that's expected in Punjab politics happening since forever ( PPP as the opposition in Punjab wanted it)
So PMLN are hypocrites they didn't "want" SP province when in Gov everyone pretty much knows that...

But I was talking about rn that PTI can't use the PMLN excuse rn cause as the opposition they are fully in favor for that cause it's in their advantage

So no one can use the PMLN excuse rn because ball is fully in PTI's court and opp wants them to score because its in thier favour

 

[Bigboii]

Also Punjab was not some land of milk and honey during Shehbaz Sharif tenure either as some people here are painting rosy picture.
buddy there was never any land of milk and honey in Pak even in Ayub's era forget SS....


I haven’t been in PTI era
comparison was how things have regressed from where it was before...

but from the cities I’ve been to (Lahore, Pindi and Faisalabad) in 2014 or so; only some areas of Lahore were genuinely impressive and I was like ‘I wish Karachi was this clean and organized.’ But those Lahore areas were fairly upscale

When money is being made in capitalistic system rich experiences it first hand only after a while it trickles down but tbh we shoundt be looking for "impressive" places if we do that then we ignore what we are actually looking forward to
jobs for people, cleaner (not clean but not the piles of rubbish like rn) streets, no drug needle everywhere, prostitution is not that "in" your face, gov officers responding to complaints and actually doing their administrative duties, roads upkeep is taking place, health issues (like denguie) taken care of in couple of years because of public health campaigns - this is what I like to judge admin by

this is what regular person wants judging by flashy buildings is a wrong standard imo

and that was the whole complaint of rest of Punjab (and rest of country frankly) that budget for 100mm people is being spent on a city of 10 mm people. (but then again it’s not like Khi upscale areas that good.)

If rest of the country thinks that a large portion of thier funding is going to Lahore than they are idiots of highest order cause instead of bringing competent people to local gov they like to complain

Much of the large-scale infrastructure projects of Punjab took place 2008-2013 (one of the reason for PMLN victory in 2013 election)
Fed gov PPP you think they are that good that they refuse to give proper funding to Karachi but they would happily give increased funding to their direct competitors in Punjab for them to build Lahore

Also, the Large city funding debate I really think the journalists who gets these stories start understanding the economic policies implemented throughout the developing world
It's a well-known economic theory that to grow your economy (as a developing country with low spending power) you have to focus on two things infrastructure to connect the country and increased funding for your first tier cities because they provide greater bang for your bucks as in you get more tax money from urban areas than you would from rural/semi-rural areas (since they are densely populated so comparatively less spending but more tax money)
This is literally one of the biggest reasons China grew they developed their first tier cities and then slowly with increased funding (due to work in major cities) this progress moved to its second, third tier cities ( rember back to 90s, 80s and people know what I am saying outside of thier major cities most of China was pathetic and poor)

From this economic formula recommended for most developing countries suffering from cash crunch it increased the funding for Major Punjab cities like Pindi, Lahore, to some extent Faisalabad
this was a mainstream economic formula reccanmened to most developing countries - so purely from an economic standpoint this complaint was unfair or coming from an ignorant pov
therefore, to grow Pak needs to focus on its 3 big cities and take it to the 21st century the generated would help pak immensely



Faisalabad especially was dusty and run of the mill. Pindi was ok. And mind you I’m assuming I was taken to nice places anyway.

Faisalabad was known for its local gov/ mayor system it had some of the best local gov in Punjab

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[Zeshan547]

When I went to Lahore on my last visit I was SO depressed!
I have never seen so many heroin needles so easily seen throughout the city; it seems hard drugs are on the rise because of the economic fallout; I know Lahore is known for prostitution but it was never so in your face; it was hush, hush
Now on most major streets so many women are out and about who you can clearly identify as prostitutes, rubbish everywhere the levels of which I never saw in my lifetime, back in the day you could call gov and they would respond now no one cares

What's happening in Faisalabad? I remember going there all the time; it was bustling, thier government was way more proactive than Lahore's (my relatives lived thier)

Same situation in Faisalabad, only textile industry is improving due to covid, no major infrastructure in health or education sector, no big new carpet highways, crimes at all time high specially in rural areas, but thankfully in our constituency the MPa is doing some good work, that's only consolation for me locally.

 

[Slog]

...

Agee with most of what you saying except following :

“Fed gov PPP you think they are that good that they refuse to give proper funding to Karachi but they would happily give increased funding to their direct competitors in Punjab for them to build Lahore”

PPP government was very good for provincial autonomy. Due to it provinces for a lot of funding which they didn’t get normally.

The claim is that PML-N took funds given for whole province and spent majority of it on one city. And if you’re spending funds for 100mm people on 10 million then obv you will see results even if corruption.

Even in Sindh the government got funds. But then where it’s directed is decided at provincial government level and obv PPP govt ate most of it and forget spending on Karachi; didn’t even spend on interior sindh.

 

[MRSN]

 

[MRSN]

^^^

PLRA from computerisation to Patwarism
By News desk -February 28, 2021

Naveed Aman Khan
COMPUTERISATION of the Punjab Land Record Authority was initiated by former Chief Minister Punjab Choudhry Pervaiz Ilahi in 2011 and completed during the Chief Ministership of Shahbaz Sharif. This project was funded by the World Bank.

It successfully worked and World Bank declared it the best project during the year 2017. The worthy project was aimed to secure the valued land record from irregularities and fake documentation, convert it from ledgers (band basta of patwari) to computer, ensure transparency and make easily accessible to the land owners.



Transparency and computerisation made ledger oriented forgeries impossible and corruption free. This limited bribes amongst conventional land record and Patwari system.

Since long land record had been maintained in ledgers but during last 11 years it has been streamlined and computerised.

The bureaucracy of decades old corrupt system opposed transparency and computerisation of the record and manual ledger based land record of the province is being given in the control of the same old Patwar support malafied system.

Malafied politicians for their personal political benefits are in favour of decomputerisation of the land record so that they could embezzle the record and deprive the week and poor of their properties easily with the help of ledger based patwari system where tempering and overwriting is possible.

Ledger based record remains property of the Patwaris. Transparent computerisation made procedures easily accessible.

Before computerisation many a times record offices has been intentionally ablased and in this exercise Patwaris have been taking the desired record with them as if it were their personal property. Computerisation proved that land record belongs to the masses and is not personal property of Patwaris and bureaucracy at all.

Computerisation and transparency was aimed to keep bribe lust Patwaris and Tehseeldars away from this system.

To bring transparency in the record system the then Chief Ministers Choudhry Pervaiz Ilahi and Shahbaz Sharif banned fresh recruitment of Patwaris and Tehseeldars and established an autonomous department for land record of the province and decided to recruit educated youth especially the females. Comparatively female staff is seen more dutiful and honest.

After computerisation provincial governments keeping fundamental human rights in view didn’t dismiss Patwaris and Tehseeldars and let them continue their work.

During the Chief Ministerships of Choudhry Pervaiz Ilahi and Shahbaz Sharif new Land Record Centres were set up. World Bank funded the project and fresh educated staff was recruited.

With limited resources and staff embezzled, tempered and full of mistakes record was computerised. In 2011 Land Revenue Act was amended and against Article 37 (a) Patwaris were stopped to maintain land record of computerised villages.

Against Article 37(c) Assistant Director Land Revenue (ADLR) or Land Revenue Officer (LRO) could only maintain land record and Patwaris and Tehseeldars were stopped to maintain land record.

Before this computerisation record was incorrect and incomplete. It was full of irregularities.

Bureaucracy in this regard has always been influencing the concerned staff. Patwari has always been leaving hundreds of thousands cases incomplete.

Normally after three years contact employees are confirmed but (ADLRs) have not been confirmed even having service of 11 years.

Besides clear court decision for the confirmation of ADLRs the concerned authorities are illogically, irrationally and unlawfully keeping quiet.

Is this not contempt of court? Additionally a summary of recruitment of 50 Revenue Officers is pending since long for approval of Senior Member Board of Revenue.

Recruitment of as many as 500 Service Centre Officers is also kept pending by the same. Punjab Land Revenue Authority is the only department which bears salaries of its employees itself.

This department contributes billions of rupees annually to the government exchequer. Before computerisation Board of Revenue has been depositing maximum 2 billion rupees in government coffers.

After computerisation amount of 8 billion rupees was deposited in 2016, 9 billion rupees in 2017, 16 billion rupees in 2018, 17 billion rupees in 2019 while double amount in 2020.

PLRA is the only department which has not caused any monitory loss to the government even during the worst conditions of the Corona pandemic.

To facilitate the land owners the department has extended its work worth adding 114 new centres.

To provide services to the people the department has initiated mobile van service also.

To attain political benefits violating articles 37(a) and 37(c) of the code of conduct PTI government has designated the powers of ADLRs and LROs to the old corrupt system bearers Patwari, Naib Tehseeldars and Tehseeldars.

Now recruitment of 5000 new Patwaris, Naib Tehseeldars and Tehseeldars is being made possible while recruitment of ADLRs and LROs is not being finalized yet.

Punjab Land Record Authority completely became independent in 2017. Taking disciplinary actions against corruption and misconduct this department has dismissed hundreds of its employees.

Is there any such precedent of punishment and accountability in decades old Patwari culture? The internal Audit System of Punjab Land Record Authority is transparent. Its vigilant Wing is super active which punishes the guilty on corruption, misappropriation and irregularities.

Rather to further ensure transparency of the land record of the province recruitment of already processed Assistant Director Land Record and Land Revenue Officers be finalised.

Corrupt old Patwar system is being brought back by recruiting of hundreds of new Patwaris, Naib Tehseeldars and Tehseeldars.

Is this not negation of the narrative of the PTI government against corruption and Patwar culture? Will bringing of old Patwarism not destroy already shattered Patwarkhana ledger system? Premier Imran Khan has always been opposing brutal and rotten police and patwar system but now he is doing otherwise.

For the comfort of the common masses Police and Patwar need to be thoroughly reformed and made flawless and technology based by all means.
—The writer is book ambassador, columnist, political analyst and author of several books based in Islamabad.

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[Bewal Express]

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Why did you avoid my question on the Qabxa mafia, who are Mansha Bomb, Tiffa Butt and the Khokhars brothers? Why has Buzdar recovered 200bn from Noora elected reps and their front men?

 

[pakistanisgreat]

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rok sako to rok lo "Patwaris" aayi re......

 

[Bigboii]

Agee with most of what you saying except following :

“Fed gov PPP you think they are that good that they refuse to give proper funding to Karachi but they would happily give increased funding to their direct competitors in Punjab for them to build Lahore”

This was about the comment where you said even rest of Pakistan thinks that their funding is going to Lahore and its developments, which if rest of the Pakistan thinks like than it's its pretty idiotic to say the least

PPP government was very good for provincial autonomy. Due to it provinces for a lot of funding which they didn’t get normally. yep

The claim is that PML-N took funds given for whole province and spent majority of it on one city. And if you’re spending funds for 100mm people on 10 million then obv you will see results even if corruption.

Oh, I wish it was that simple!
So like I explained on Provincial level Punjab's focus was to lift its 3 biggest cities with infrastructure project and of course since Lahore is the biggest city out of all themham (2, 3 times big) majority of the money would go there but that doesnt mean all the money was going to Lahore and those other cities were ignored of course not

Even Faisalabad (if you don't believe me even Zeeshan mentioned that infrastructure projects happened in Faisalabad so you don't even have to take my word for it), Pindi experienced those massive infrastructure projects (not to mention the highway system that helped all of Punjab)
So suggesting a city of 11 million was taking away all the money is unfair because infrastructure building on a massive level also happened in the other big cities (and I already explained why focus was on big cities)

My relatives live throughout Punjab so from word of mouth we know that basic administration (not vast infrastructure projects) was good to decent throughout the province (or in places like Sialkot, Sahiwal, Surgoda, where the extended family lived so you know don't trust me with "throughout the province" like that) (unlike rn)

trash situation was ok, they kept roads, dogs weren't everywhere like rn in Punjab, so these basic administrative things that dont cost a lot of money was good in most of the province (or atleast the places I know)
So it's a tad bit unfair to say of course when you put so much money into one city everything will turn out good but even outside of big 3 (with extensive projects) Punjab's basic admin situation wasn't as bad as it is rn

also not to forget the highway projects for the province

Even in Sindh the government got funds. But then where it’s directed is decided at provincial government level and obv PPP govt ate most of it and forget spending on Karachi; didn’t even spend on interior sindh.
damn how do they even win elections, they have Sindh on a lockdown without even doing anything- their only selling point (which attracts liberals) is that they are good in terms of lawmaking like the provincial autonomy, limiting army power by the presidential amendment

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[pakistanisgreat]

any update on this? Are patwari's working with Buzdar now? lol

 

[Bewal Express]

any update on this? Are patwari's working with Buzdar now? lol

Noora Qabza mafia on the retreat. These losers can't explain why govt land worth over 200bn was in the qabza of Noora thugs. Did you see how these supporters of criminals couldn't answer why the likes of Tiffa Butt, Khokhar Bristol and Mansha Bomb had taken over govt land under SS.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Noora Qabza mafia on the retreat. These losers can't explain why govt land worth over 200bn was in the qabza of Noora thugs. Did you see how these supporters of criminals couldn't answer why the likes of Tiffa Butt, Khokhar Bristol and Mansha Bomb had taken over govt land under SS.

question is why they going back to Patwati's again. I know you been accusing and calling these people petwari's and now they are doing same thing. I guess you all patwari's now. lol
they are just playing patwais patwaris. hahahah

 

[Bewal Express]

question is why they going back to Patwati's again. I know you been accusing and calling these people petwari's and now they are doing same thing. I guess you all patwari's now. lol
they are just playing patwais patwaris. hahahah

And besides the op saying, is there any other source of recruitment. The op can't be trusted, he ran from a simple question on the Noora Qabza mafia, Why is that? He isn't a Noora rep, so why did he run?

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: The Punjab government has withdrawn a notification that had “erroneously” taken back the notification issued to establish south Punjab secretariats in September last year. It also withdrew the notification amending rules of business for south Punjab.

With regard to issuance of withdrawal notification about the south Punjab secretariats on March 29, Governor Chaudhry Sarwar had immediately denied that his secretariat had issued any such notification.

As confusion continued to prevail, Chief Minister Usman Buzdar, flanked by federal Minister Khusro Bakhtiar, appeared before the media on Friday and announced that both the notifications had been withdrawn. He explained that the March 29 notification, which had given the impression of rolling back of the south Punjab secretariats, was “a technical mistake and a human error”.

He added the government had taken action and Implementation and Coordination (I&C) secretary Mukhtar Masood had been made an officer on special duty.

Terms it ‘technical mistake, human error’

To fulfill its commitment to create the south Punjab province, as mentioned in its manifesto, the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government had administratively separated the province’s three divisions — Multan, Bahawalpur and D.G. Khan — with split secretariats at Multan and Bahawalpur divisional headquarters in September last.

Stating that the government was committed to offering better governance in south Punjab, Mr Buzdar said the government was considering devolving all the provincial departments to the south Punjab secretariat level.

A ministerial committee, headed by Finance Minister Hashim Jawan Bakht, would present recommendations within seven days about reinvigorating the secretariat besides the matter of laying the foundation stone of the secretariat.

The Punjab government was earlier considering (out of the 16 departments devolved) withdrawing five — S&GAD, P&D, finance, law and home — from the south Punjab secretariat because they involved no public interaction. With regard to the finance and P&D departments, the bureaucracy raised the question how one provincial account could be run by two different managers.

However, the new directive by the CM would not only lead to keeping those five departments, headed by full-fledged secretaries, but more departments could go to south Punjab secretariats.

Mr Buzdar said the present government was putting special focus on south Punjab and had increased the previous government’s allocation of only 17 per cent of the budget for south Punjab to 33pc. The government had ring-fenced the allocation too to ensure that all the funds are utilised in south Punjab without the fear of re-appropriation.

The CM said the bill on reserving job quota for south Punjab would be presented before the cabinet. He said that he had decided to spend a full day in Multan and another in Bahawalpur every month and added that all ministers would also go to Multan and Bahawalpur every month for two days to deal with locals’ issues at their doorstep.

Mr Buzdar said the Punjab government had, for the first time, held its cabinet meeting in Bahawalpur and announced that the second such meeting would be held in Multan soon.

Answering a question about the performance of his cabinet members, the chief minister said “room for improvement is always there”.

Federal Minister Khusro Bakhtiar thanked Mr Buzdar for taking immediate action over the south Punjab reservations arising in the wake of notification among people of south Punjab.

Provincial Ministers Basharat Raja, Hashim Jawan Bakht, Hussain Jahanian Gardezi, Mohsin Leghari, Sardar Husnain Bahadur Dareshak, Dr Muhammad Akhtar Malik, Shaukat Lalika, SACM Firdous Ashiq Awan, Tahir Bashir Cheema and others were present.

Meanwhile, the chief minister also chaired a meeting at his office to review in detail proposals to empower the south Punjab secretariat. The provincial ministers belonging to south Punjab presented their proposals.

Published in Dawn, April 3rd, 2021

https://www.dawn.com/news/1616080/punjab-cm-withdraws-erroneous-order-on-secretariats

 

[MenInG]

GUJRAT: The centuries-old Patwar system has, once again, been revived by the PTI government in Punjab through posting of land revenue officials at the recently launched the Dehi Marakaz-i-Maal (rural revenue centres), also called Satellite Arazi Record Centres.

Earlier, the PML N government had gradually replaced the Patwar system with at least 144 Arazi Record Centres (ARCs) and computerisation of land record in the province during its 10 years tenure (2008-2018). These ARCs had improved the service delivery, removed the intervention of Patwaris and controlled corruption in the revenue department.

Though the Punjab Land Record Authority (PLRA) had devised a plan to establish the ARCs at the Qanungoi circle level, the establishment of Dehi Marakaz-i-Maal is said to be the brain child of Senior Member Board Of Revenue (SMBR) Babar Hayat Tarrar who envisaged the revival of the Patwar system through these centres in the rural areas.

The Board of Revenue has also approved the recruitment of hundreds of Patwaris for which a process has already been launched by the respective tehsil and district administrations across the province.

As per the initial plan, only the computer literate Patwaris and Qanungos have been assigned the task to serve at the Dehi Marakaz-i-Maal (DMM) for which the PLRA has been asked to train these land revenue officials and make a separate login for them to deliver the services such as issuance of Fard (property ownership document), insert mutations and other related things.

Moreover, the PLRA has also been asked to install the computer software of the revenue services in the laptops given to these officials by the Punjab government.

Even the PML-Q, an important ally of the PTI in Punjab, had expressed its reservations over the Punjab government’s decision of handing over the laptops meant for the students to the Patwaris for the services at the DMM as a senior PML-Q leader Chaudhry Moonis Elahi in March had criticised the Punjab government through a tweet, saying that the government should not utilise computers meant for students.

A senior officer of the land revenue department told Dawn there was some major flaw in the system of the ARCs where service centre officials (known as digital Patwaris), Service Center in-charges (SCIs) and Land Record Officers (LROs) did not have the basic knowledge of the land revenue and field work as compared to the Patwari and revenue officer due to which the public and government had been paying a huge price in terms of service delivery and revenue generation.

He said that with the posting of computer literate officials of the land revenue department at the level of Qanungoi, the service delivery and revenue generation would improve whereas the workload on the existing system of the ARCs would also be reduced since most of the ARCs were established at tehsil or a major town level.

PLRA Chairman Sardar Ahmed Ali Khan Dreshak (also a PTI MPA), through a letter written to the SMBR last November, had expressed serious reservations over the BoR’s plan to relaunch the Patwar system in Punjab.

The future of the PLRA field staff may also be at stake in the wake of reviving the Patwar system.

At least 12 Dehi Marakaz-i-Maal have been established only in Gujrat district where appointment of Patwaris and other officials of land revenue department have been completed. These officials will now get training for a couple of days at the ARC of their respective tehsils.

Five DMMs each have been established in Gujrat and Kharian tehsils whereas one such centre has been established in Dandi village of Sara-i-Alamgir tehsil. Seven ARCs are in operation in three tehsils of the district, three each in Gujrat and Kharian and one in Sara-i-Alamgir.

Gujrat may need to recruit at least 13 new Patwaris for the posting at newly-launched centres.

It is learnt that the Patwaris and revenue officials will collect the government fee at the DMM and then deposit with the bank account of the Punjab government unlike the practice at ARCs where a separate bank counter is arranged for the collection of official fee without intervention of Patwari or any other revenue official.

Published in Dawn, April 24th, 2021

 

[MRSN]

Does anybody care? Does PTI care they are going against their manifesto? It looks like they don't even have a clue that a major policy shift has been made in Punjab and IK doesn't even have any idea or any PTI leader. This is a backward step and a step against what PTI promised to deliver.

 

[saeedhk]

Another U-turn by PTI. Imran Khan spoke against the Patwar system for the last two decades but ended up reviving it after coming to power. There is absolutely no planning and vision.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Does anybody care? Does PTI care they are going against their manifesto? It looks like they don't even have a clue that a major policy shift has been made in Punjab and IK doesn't even have any idea or any PTI leader. This is a backward step and a step against what PTI promised to deliver.

i have said it above.
rok sako to rok lo "Patwaris" aayi re......

 

[MRSN]

Another U-turn by PTI. Imran Khan spoke against the Patwar system for the last two decades but ended up reviving it after coming to power. There is absolutely no planning and vision.

It is mega u-turn and IK even himself has no clue. It looks like IK just talks but has no vision to implement what he promises. His focus is just on Nawaz Sharif.

 

[Bewal Express]

It is mega u-turn and IK even himself has no clue. It looks like IK just talks but has no vision to implement what he promises. His focus is just on Nawaz Sharif.

Brother, you have avoided this question over and again and it's related to thus topic, who are those Nooras that took control of over 200bn worth of govt land. We are not talking about pennies, its 100s of billions, so why are you avoiding this question because its relevant to the toxic Noora rule of Punjab.

 

[Mamoon]

Another U-turn by PTI. Imran Khan spoke against the Patwar system for the last two decades but ended up reviving it after coming to power. There is absolutely no planning and vision.

He is always in reverse gear. The most incompetent and clueless PM in Pakistan history.

He thought running the country would be like captaining a cricket team. Even his vocabulary is limited to cricket.

 

[Bewal Express]

He is always in reverse gear. The most incompetent and clueless PM in Pakistan history.

He thought running the country would be like captaining a cricket team. Even his vocabulary is limited to cricket.

If only we had more of these incompetent PMs. IK has recovered over 200bn of state land from your friends. I asked your friend and he ran off. Who is Mansha Bomb, Tiffy Butt, the Khokhars. Lets have a reply from you guys, because all you do is run

 

[Major]

during his campaigne he talked soo much about patwaris, his fans keep calling pmln followers as patwaris.

Guess what, he goes crying back to the same patwariis.

 

[Major]

Noora Qabza mafia on the retreat. These losers can't explain why govt land worth over 200bn was in the qabza of Noora thugs. Did you see how these supporters of criminals couldn't answer why the likes of Tiffa Butt, Khokhar Bristol and Mansha Bomb had taken over govt land under SS.

you do realize that the land of Bani gala is also qabza

his 300 kanal house was claimed under "gift"

 

[Bewal Express]

you do realize that the land of Bani gala is also qabza

his 300 kanal house was claimed under "gift"

It was brought in the early 2000s, since then we had Mush, AZ and NS leading the country, all 3 hated IK. I think your confusing your PPP thugs with IK.

 

[Mamoon]

Cult-followers will defend everything.

Now the cult will chant about having the advantage of patwaris after they used to mock PMLN supporters by calling them patwaris )

The fact that Imran Khan had to take a U-turn on the patwar system says everything that needs to be said about his leadership, his vision and his conviction.

It is a complete circus.

 

[Zeshan547]

Cult-followers will defend everything.

Now the cult will chant about having the advantage of patwaris after they used to mock PMLN supporters by calling them patwaris )

The fact that Imran Khan had to take a U-turn on the patwar system says everything that needs to be said about his leadership, his vision and his conviction.

It is a complete circus.

Truer words haven't been written before. Now they will start comparison with PPP and PMLN, bhai they suck we all agree, isliye tu awam ne PTI ko chance dia to bring real tabdeeli, but they have proven even worse, ab tu alternative b nzar nai aata, no hope for this nation, now it's all about lesser evil option, and not about which is better option, for the next election.

 

[Mamoon]

Truer words haven't been written before. Now they will start comparison with PPP and PMLN, bhai they suck we all agree, isliye tu awam ne PTI ko chance dia to bring real tabdeeli, but they have proven even worse, ab tu alternative b nzar nai aata, no hope for this nation, now it's all about lesser evil option, and not about which is better option, for the next election.

Apart from hawai firing and hawai qilay, Imran and his government have delivered nothing. 3 years on, they are still doing rona dhona over what the previous governments did.

 

[Zeshan547]

Apart from hawai firing and hawai qilay, Imran and his government have delivered nothing. 3 years on, they are still doing rona dhona over what the previous governments did.

By the way any alternative or hope in future? Will one of these three parties will somehow become good or wil there some new party can emerge who can bring real tabdeeli, this PTI government was last roll of the dice for Pak peoples, no i have zero hopes for better future.

 

[Mamoon]

By the way any alternative or hope in future? Will one of these three parties will somehow become good or wil there some new party can emerge who can bring real tabdeeli, this PTI government was last roll of the dice for Pak peoples, no i have zero hopes for better future.

PTI has no future. Once Imran is gone, PTI will also become history. It is a fake party with no grassroots. Imran has collected lotas from other parties who have jumped on PTI bandwagon for personal interests.

15-20 years from now, the two party system will be restored and they will both take turns in power depending on who is on better terms with the establishment at a given point.

It is not an ideal situation but the PTI tenure has made people realize that even the worst PMLN and PPP governments were far better than PTI.

People used to say the 2008-12 presidential tenure of Zardari was the worst government ever, but the incompetence of Imran and his government has made Zardari and PPP look like geniuses.

Things were never this bad for the common man under any rule, be it civilian or military. They have completely frozen the economy and made the country unlivable for anyone who is not sitting on a fortune.

 

[umerz]

This is fake news like many others

 

[Zeshan547]

Which of the past problems have been solved under this Government? As i said earlier, nobody is saying they were good, wrna unki reject q krti awam, but our point is instead of solving these issues, pti has only created more mess and destroyed whatever little we had, pti was people's last hope. That's the issue.

 

[Bewal Express]

Which of the past problems have been solved under this Government? As i said earlier, nobody is saying they were good, wrna unki reject q krti awam, but our point is instead of solving these issues, pti has only created more mess and destroyed whatever little we had, pti was people's last hope. That's the issue.

I agree that IK raised expectations too much, but if you look at the tough decisions on PSM or PIA where 1000s have been laid off, people that should have never been hired. As far as the economy is concerned, he has stabilised a situation which could have caused total collapse. If you dont believe me look at the Munshi Dars prediction for the Rp- 180+ and without Corona it would have been around 148. And here is some more bad news for you- it will take years to fix because the PK is still addicted to debt and if you include the interest payments, many years of hard work lie ahead. IA things get better but even you would have noticed, not a single solution or anything resembling a solution from Billo and Maryam besides the rona dona of daddies cases. There are long term structural problems exacerbated by poor, corrupt governance over decades.

 

[MRSN]

This is fake news like many others

Fake? Lolz. Do I have to show you notifications by Assistant Commissioners all over Punjab for Patwar post which will be finally selected by them? I mean not even PPSC. Level of incompetence going on in Punjab.

 

[MRSN]

This is a picture of a Patwari sitting in front of a computerized system. When Shehbaz Sharif had announced to roll Patwaris out of system gradually and limited them to manual records only, PTI government in Punjab has restored Patwaris power and gave them access to the computerized system and also unbanning their recruitment by appointmenting 5000 new Patwaris. Today I feel ashamed to have supported this party in the past. There is absolutely zero vision. Zero policy.

 

[umerz]

Fake? Lolz. Do I have to show you notifications by Assistant Commissioners all over Punjab for Patwar post which will be finally selected by them? I mean not even PPSC. Level of incompetence going on in Punjab.

https://www.insaf.pk/fakenewsbuster/fake-news-regarding-patwari-system-punjab

 

[pakistanisgreat]

https://www.insaf.pk/fakenewsbuster/fake-news-regarding-patwari-system-punjab

His tweet is from Nov 2019, however, the article posted by Mening "Published in Dawn, April 24th, 2021"

He might started to phase out in 2019 but in 2021 he might want to restore it.

 

[MRSN]

https://www.insaf.pk/fakenewsbuster/fake-news-regarding-patwari-system-punjab

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why is it fake?<a href="https://t.co/ogZ8nml6C0">https://t.co/ogZ8nml6C0</a></p>— Kashif Aziz (@kashaziz) <a href="https://twitter.com/kashaziz/status/1385971174245535744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr">Ye bhi fake hai.... <a href="https://t.co/Htyipoz1D5">pic.twitter.com/Htyipoz1D5</a></p>— TARIQ REHMAN (@TARIQRE52913982) <a href="https://twitter.com/TARIQRE52913982/status/1385970296482586630?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">کوئی شرم ہوتی ہے کوئی حیا ہوتی ہے... <a href="https://t.co/a5L8WAmICX">pic.twitter.com/a5L8WAmICX</a></p>— TARIQ REHMAN (@TARIQRE52913982) <a href="https://twitter.com/TARIQRE52913982/status/1385970925842096128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MRSN]

That ad in Tandilianwala and notification in Kabirawala is a slap on people who say this is fake.

 

[MRSN]

On the revival of the patwar system
Yasir Habib KhanDialogueMay 2, 2021

Despite the assurances of government officials, in wake of new developments, critical voices caution that the patwar system may be back

Apprehensive outbursts questioning the legality of formation of newly launched Dehi Markaz Maals (DMMs) administered by the Board of Revenue (BoR) terming them an infringement on the PLRA Act 2017. DMMs are newly-established centres, almost four months old that are issuing fard (property ownership certificate) and mutation (transfer of land document) record. There is outrage that in the presence of PLRA’s well-established Arazi Record Centers (ARCs) which computerised almost 95 percent records with experienced and well-trained staff, the setting up of DMMs amounts to creating a parallel system that might throw a spanner in the works.

Critical voices are raising questions on the legality of appointment and functioning of patwaris (Land Record Officer) which are now called village officers in DMMs, in violation of PLRA Act 2017 stating that the move is essentially a re-launch of the patwar regime.

A writ petition was filed in the LHC two weeks ago challenging the power of Board of Revenue (BoR) to appoint patwaris (Land Record Officer), especially empowering them to issue fard (the property ownership document) and authorising them to perform land-related tasks in a clear violation of the Punjab Land Record Authority (PLRA) Act 2017 as only PLRA officials are legally qualified to do so.

Sayyid Murtaza Ali Pirzada, the petitioner, tells The News on Sunday (TNS) that the common citizens are going to suffer because of this “big scam” as he expects thousands of fards and other land-related documents being issued by patwaris and tehsildars. These, he warns, have no legal value because under the PLRA Act 2017, such transactions will be challenged on the ground that those issuing them lack the legal status to do so.

The Board of Revenue (BoR) has appointed the patwaris and tehsildars or sub-tehsildars (revenue official) to issue fards and perform various other official functions at newly established DMMs also known as Service Delivery Outlets under the administrative perview of the BoR.

PLRA officials have written a letter to the PLRA DG Moazam Iqbal Sipra on April 29 (Thursday), 2021 pointing out the allegedly unlawful role of the DMMs and the patwaris regarding the issuance of fards and mutation documents. It states that according to the Land Revenue Act 1967 under Section 42 A (3), patwaris have been prohibited to register the records of land and West Pakistan Land Revenue Rules 1968 Rule 36-A only authorises Service Centre Officer (SCO) at Arazi Record Centres (ARCs) governed by PLRA to issue fards.

This raises the concern that all allegedly illegal DMMs (that are issuing important land documents of public worth billions of rupees) governed by the BoR are now being linked to the PLRA main server with insecure bandwidth connections (not officially dedicated lines).

“These insecure online connections are highly susceptible to hacking and data may land in the hands of unscrupulous elements. If that happens, colossal loss to the public is inevitable,” the letter says.

The letter also iterated objections on the process of recruiting 500 patwaris holding back 590 appointments of SCOs who are legally authorised to issue fard and other land related documents. The letter said that the PLRA chairman had also submitted his reservation to the senior BOR member through a letter on November 16, 2020. The letter also challenged the legal status of DMMs, questioning under what rule the parallel system is being introduced.

In a conversation with TNS, Nadia Cheema, the PLRA spokesperson and additional director of communications, dismissed ‘speculations’ saying categorically that no steps were being taken to bring back the patwari regime.

She said that as per PLRA Act 2017, a patwari cannot be appointed in ARCs.

Regarding the status of DMMs, she said in the formation of DMMs, PLRA Act 2017 is not violated at all. It must be clear that instead PLRA, DMMs are set up by the BOR.

As per PLRA Act, 2017, she explained that PLRA may put in place Service Delivery Outlets (SDOs) to serve the people better so that instead of crowding at the 152 officially designated ARCs, people may receive their property ownership right document, transfer documents and others from nearby SDOs enjoying hassle-free environment with less wait.

“These SDOs are already established in the name of 3,700 e-Sahulat centres of NADRA. Through Mobile Vans, similar SDOs are issuing land documents to public. On the same model, around 28 banks with 2,000 branches are serving the people. It is to be kept in mind that these SDOs are not a replacement for the ARCs, rather the staff of NADRA and banks have been given access to the PLRA data to improve service delivery.

She says that similar SDOs are being set up at DMMs where DMMs staff have been issuing fard and other land related documents. This aims to increase contact points with the public to ensure service delivery for their convenience.

Another PLRA official said that the entire was secure at the PLRA Data Centre in Lahore.

“To ensure the safety of the record, a backup storage facility has also been established in Islamabad where the entire data has been stored. In case of any untoward incident, the data of entire land record of 152 land record centres can be retrieved from the backup storage facility within minutes. The automation and now centralisation of the land record have completely eliminated the risk of any sort of tampering with the land record data. The centralisation not only protects the land record but also the ownership rights of the people, he adds.

In response to a query, Cheema says as per PLRA rules, automation process is almost complete and if the government further empowers the PLRA in accordance with law same, similar automation may be initiated in urban areas.



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