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"A bit of historic justice.": BJP governor Tathagata Roy hails the ethnic cleansing of Rohingyas

Tripura governor’s sadism for genocide makes him unfit for constitutional post

Tripura governor, Tathagata Roy is no ordinary loose canon or motor-mouth BJP leader with a hardcore RSS background. After spending years of training at RSS shakhas the man was picked to hold a constitutional post under Narendra Modi as India’s prime minister.

Modi hand-picked him to become Tripura’s governor, a highly revered constitutional post expecting the incumbents to function with utmost integrity and impeccable political neutrality. Roy has blatantly thrown both these attributes out of the window while continuing to fly the flag for the right-wing militant Hindutva ideology.

In June last year, Roy flaunted his connection with the RSS even after holding a constitutional post when he visited an RSS shakha and later justified by saying ‘being a committed swayamsevak, I have done nothing wrong.”

However, his more nauseating rant had come a year earlier, when he confessed to being communal. In September 2015, the controversial governor, known for his bigoted and racist views, tweeted this, “Whatever gave you the notion I am secular? I am a Hindu. My state, India, however is secular since 1976.”

In February this year, Roy astonishingly broke the standard protocol when he refused to read out some portion of his written speech criticizing the Centre, in the Assembly on the opening day of the budget session, which led to uproarious scenes.

While reading the written speech, he said “I have read out two pages and now I would read out after para 95.”

On Tuesday, he went a a step further and condoned the genocide of Rohingya Muslims at the hands of the Burmese military and Buddhist terrorists. More than 400 Rohingya Muslims, one of the most persecuted ethnic groups in the world, have been killed so far while more thousands of them have fled to the neighbouring Bangladesh to escape certain death.

In a series of tweets, Roy said, “Myanmarese have more sense than our leaders of 1940s. They realise that the Rohingiyas can demand a partition-they’re taking care of that.”

And if his first tweet sounded ambiguous, he came up with the second post, conclusively proving his appreciation for the mass murders of Rohingyas, just because they are Muslims, a group of people Roy and his party have always had difficulty gelling with.

He wrote, “A bit of historic justice. Buddhist retribution for Hindu and Chakma genocide in East Bengal. The wheel grinds slowly but surely. Nice,what?”

While such tweets by a holder of a constitutional post will be unthinkable in any civilised democracy, Roy knows that India lost all its civility in May 2014, when it voted a person to be the country’s next prime minister, who was once accused of masterminding a Nazi-style holocaust in February 2002 during his time as the chief minister. The man, RK Raghavan, who gave him a clean-chit was rewarded last week, when he was appointed the next envoy to Cyprus.

Roy has been spewing venom against Muslims while rejoicing the genocide of a race because of their religious background. And yet, Modi has not felt the need to censure him let alone removing him to protect the sanctity of a constitutional post. This is largely because, many believe that Roy is essentially carrying forward Modi’s own legacy of secretly enjoying the bloodshed of thousands of Muslims in his state. Modi has till date not apologised or even expressed any remorse for what happened in 2002. And, Modi had handpicked Roy to be Tripura’s next governor. Now you join the dots.

Nobel laureate turned blood thirsty despot

Aung San Suu Kyi earned plaudits for her courage and fight for democracy when she remained steadfast even in the midst of brutal force applied against her by the Burmese Junta. She became the epitome of fight against injustice as the world recognised her struggle even when she remained confined to her house for 15 years.

It’s in this context that her fellow Nobel laureates have found her disdain to the plight of shocking human rights violations by her country’s army and Buddhist terrorists baffling. From Malala Yusufzai to Desmond Tutu, more than a dozen Nobel laureates have written to her making a passionate plea to stop the ongoing state sponsored genocide of Rohingya Muslims.

Unperturbed, Suu Kyi and Modi were sharing drinks last week when both met during the latter’s visit to Myanmar. The celebration by two leaders, who remained oblivious to the ongoing plight of a huge group of human population was ironic and even a tad inhuman. The joint statement issued by the two leaders had no mention of the mass migration (nearly half a million of them) of Rohingyas into Bangladesh and genocide of over 450 people.

No wonder when we asked our readers to write caption for the photo of Suu Kyi and Modi celebrating over a drink, the dominating theme of response was that both leaders had genocide in common. Modi was Gujarat’s chief minister, when more than 4,000 people, mostly Muslims, were killed in a religious pogrom in 2002. Although official figure puts the number of people killed at 1200.

A bystander role by UN

The United Nations Security Council’s role has been disappointing, to say the least. While it was nimble-footed in responding to the development in the Korean peninsula and even convened an emergency session to discuss the hydrogen bomb test by North Korea. But, the rampant executions of an entire ethnic group by Burmese soldiers and Buddhist terrorists, both enjoying the support of the Nobel Peace Prize winner, Aung San Suu Kyi, has failed to evoke any reaction from this global body.

Hope the UNSC realises that time is fast running out for it to protect the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, being systematically and brutally killed in Myanmar. History has never been kind to those choosing to remain silent spectators in the midst of genocide of innocent population. One wonders what will it take for the UN to wake up and take notice of the goings on in Myanmar.

http://www.jantakareporter.com/india/tripura-governors-sadism-rohingya-muslims/147380/
 
Modi hand-picked him

Not surprising Modi would pick an extremist just like him. I cant think of another country where a governing official would openly support mass murder, but it's India.
 
So that's what they teach at rss schools that Burmese and other indigenous indian muslims did genocide of Hindus.

They can't separate between central Asian invaders and Indigenous Muslims.
 
So that's what they teach at rss schools that Burmese and other indigenous indian muslims did genocide of Hindus.

They can't separate between central Asian invaders and Indigenous Muslims.

This is the whole Hindutva ideology, a right wing mentality which is still angry over Muslims ruling India for many years. They are ashamed a minority of Muslims ruled over a large majority of Hindu's. These people including Modi relish the thought of Muslim blood flowing.
 
While i know what Janta ka Reporter owned by Rifat Javaid writes and that article is full of lies and inaccuracies, what it wrote about tweets of Tathagata Roy is true. The man is rabid went it comes to muslim immigration in India.May be since his family suffered in the 1946 riots he is like this and he may hold his personal opinion.But as a governor its unethical to condone people being killed.As long as he was saying they should not be allowed into India it was ok, but saying that buddhists are doing the right thing is wrong.BJP uses him as a counter to the likes of Owaisi and co. but BJP needs to ease out these people as they are gaining more and more ground and dont need to take on the likes of Owaisi and co.
 
Wherever Muslim's are being killed they see it as justice one way or another. As I often say Hindu God's seemed rather happy to let Muslim's rule India for a thousand years. History can not be undone by hating, facts remain facts. Muslim's did not stop Hinduism lack of spreading. Hindu's tell me their faith is not in favour of evangelising can't blame Muslim's for that. The "ghar wapsi" gang will disagree with that.
 
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Not surprising Modi would pick an extremist just like him. I cant think of another country where a governing official would openly support mass murder, but it's India.

India is just talk.

The United States / United Kingdom walk the talk: one Islamic country or the other is bombed every two and a half years on average by the folks you vote for, leaving you bawling for years on end and pacifying yourself with change.org petitions while living in the delusion that your views are taken into account in a supposed democracy.
 
India is just talk.

The United States / United Kingdom walk the talk: one Islamic country or the other is bombed every two and a half years on average by the folks you vote for, leaving you bawling for years on end and pacifying yourself with change.org petitions while living in the delusion that your views are taken into account in a supposed democracy.

Muslim's only have themselves to blame for being so weak. Historically, the powerful has always bullied and killed the weak, it is just the way it is. I am not going to support racist Arab's neither do I care about the Iraqi's, Palestinian's or Syrians. I will also join the club if this Ummah thing ever becomes a reality but for now I am British Pakistani. From a very few Muslim countries Pakistan is one capable of defending itself. Democracy may not be perfect but is much then any system a Muslim country can offer at this time. Views are taken in to account when it suits the government. No reason why I speak poorly about the west when I am treated fairly here as opposed to in Arab countries. If they can not fight it is their problem, hard luck.
 
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What a nasty piece of work.

Political leader condoning a genocide. Should be removed from his position.
 
So that's what they teach at rss schools that Burmese and other indigenous indian muslims did genocide of Hindus.

They can't separate between central Asian invaders and Indigenous Muslims.
There are no RSS schools, unlike Saudi funded Madrassas in our neighborhood.

Funny, since you didn;t want to live in peace with the Hindu majority, besides your fascination with invaders & complete indoctrination wiping out Indian or to be more precise Hindu ancestors from your history textbooks!
 
While i know what Janta ka Reporter owned by Rifat Javaid writes and that article is full of lies and inaccuracies, what it wrote about tweets of Tathagata Roy is true
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When discussing about the most inhumane comments from a Governor , not sure why you want bring Rifat vs Tataghata. Just an attempt to make Roy look good vs muslim named counterpart..

The man is rabid went it comes to muslim immigration in India.
Thanks for accepting that he is a dog.. But the statement that you say is like India on the country as a whole was a Hindu country since the inception of human life which is not. India was a continent with different races and languages just like Europe and still exist...not going much into detail here..

May be since his family suffered in the 1946 riots he is like this and he may hold his personal opinion.
Yes riots happened everywhere and there are victims, Mr. modiji was the head when riot ethnic cleansing happened in the recent past.
But as a governor its unethical to condone people being killed.
Diplomatic way of description for what an extremist RSS swayamsevak said
As long as he was saying they should not be allowed into India it was ok, but saying that buddhists are doing the right thing is wrong.
Are you feeding Roy to say what next
BJP uses him as a counter to the likes of Owaisi and co. but BJP needs to ease out these people as they are gaining more and more ground and dont need to take on the likes of Owaisi and co
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Likewise,here you always try to justify such Roy kinda stuffs coming from BJP RSS.

In summary, BJP-RSS hate speech like this always come as a tool or attention seeking to hide their governing lapses,
 
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There are no RSS schools, unlike Saudi funded Madrassas in our neighborhood.

Funny, since you didn;t
want to live in peace with the Hindu majority,
besides your fascination with invaders & complete indoctrination wiping out Indian or to be more precise Hindu ancestors from your history textbooks!

People want live peacefully but RSS never let the people dream as such.. if that happens BJP RSS will become NON-EXISTENT...RSS also knew that they need muslims alive to run their business so they wont kill them all...

For BJP, RSS they need pakistan, muslims and the lower caste people as their neighbours otherwise they have no business in India.
 
this is low

but not unexpected for an extremist society where people are killed for eating a kind of meat
 
If he bears the wounds of hindus and chakmas killed in bangladesh, that should only make him identify with the rohingyas plight.
 
People want live peacefully but RSS never let the people dream as such.. if that happens BJP RSS will become NON-EXISTENT...RSS also knew that they need muslims alive to run their business so they wont kill them all...

For BJP, RSS they need pakistan, muslims and the lower caste people as their neighbours otherwise they have no business in India.
That;s partially true but what gives them more ammunition is terror threats from both sides of the border.

RSS might become irrelevant but it won;t die the RSS today is different from 30~50 years back, they are more politically driven now.

BJP is more of an alternate to Congress, they aren;t going away because many want a Congress less, Gandhi less India.

Your claims are exaggerated, if it weren;t for the Sabarmati express massacre, there would be no Godhra riots, sure both sides are guilty (maybe RSS more than the others) but who gave them the match stick or mashaal to start a riot?

You could say the same about Pak army. Also why do you continue claim this minority card when you know fully well that in a unified India, the Muslim pop would have been only 20~30% lkess than Muslims, so how could Hindus rule with an iron fist? Does that contradict with the story Muslim League fabricated for separation?
 
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What a scumbag. Doesn't look like Modi has any control over these idiots or maybe he doesn't want to exercise any control.
 
this is low

but not unexpected for an extremist society where people are killed for eating a kind of meat

If you want to talk about that people are also killed for drawing cartoons.So lets respect others religion.
 
If you want to talk about that people are also killed for drawing cartoons.So lets respect others religion.

bro, not a subject to negotiate upon. You don't talk about evils in my community and I won't talk about yours? Everyone should talk about any evil under the sun, and if they can't remove it, at least they can embarrass those who follow it.
 
If you want to talk about that people are also killed for drawing cartoons.So lets respect others religion.

I have never denied any issues in Pakistan or Muslim world in general (though I care less about the latter)
 
I have never denied any issues in Pakistan or Muslim world in general (though I care less about the latter)

Why draw offensive cartoons of The Prophet(PBUH) i am not a muslim but even i dont think its proper to do that.Respect other peoples religious belief.

Similarly cow worship is also part of a religion, killing cows is disrespectful for them.Respect it.
 
Why draw offensive cartoons of The Prophet(PBUH) i am not a muslim but even i dont think its proper to do that.Respect other peoples religious belief.

Similarly cow worship is also part of a religion, killing cows is disrespectful for them.Respect it.

Yes one should condemn it but you can never justify any physical harm to someone, threats or riots
 
Yes one should condemn it but you can never justify any physical harm to someone, threats or riots

No one supports the attack of these cow vigilantes.Its criminal.But the laws also protect the cows, that should be respected as well also the religious feelings of hindus who are 80% of India.
 
That;s partially true but what gives them more ammunition is terror threats from both sides of the border.

RSS might become irrelevant but it won;t die the RSS today is different from 30~50 years back, they are more politically driven now.

BJP is more of an alternate to Congress, they aren;t going away because many want a Congress less, Gandhi less India.

Your claims are exaggerated, if it weren;t for the Sabarmati express massacre, there would be no Godhra riots, sure both sides are guilty (maybe RSS more than the others) but who gave them the match stick or mashaal to start a riot?

You could say the same about Pak army. Also why do you continue claim this minority card when you know fully well that in a unified India, the Muslim pop would have been only 20~30% lkess than Muslims, so how could Hindus rule with an iron fist? Does that contradict with the story Muslim League fabricated for separation?

They are not an alternate to congress. In terms of policy changes they are implementing things started by congress and the same they object during congress rule. The difference between congress and BJP is not so big. Having said that during BJP rule all the right wing hindutva groups start to bark at everything they see and claim popularity. Many complicated things that BJP want to say or demonstrate they let these extremists to voice out and keep quiet.

I'm not exaggerating anything, match sticks were fabricated and used by the same people that was proven in court. There is no talk about someone stimulating or firing the RSS up. They didn't change from what they were, only thing is they are trying hard now to implement their agendas as the education and litercay rates have increased and they can't spice up things like they do 50 years ago. Motto never changed.

Hungry for power brought the divide and rule for the British and the same hungry for power got INDIA PAKISTAN separated. RSS feared that this country should not go into the hands of the Muslims again as they ruled for 800 years is also major reason to start two nation theory well crafted. If Pakistan was not created Muslims in India wouldn't be a minority now. Anything could have happened as the RSS thought.
 
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No one supports the attack of these cow vigilantes.Its criminal.But the laws also protect the cows, that should be respected as well also the religious feelings of hindus who are 80% of India.

People do respect the worship of cows by the other religion. But an unnecessary chaos was created to target killing Muslims in the name of beef ban. Why the people talk about cow sacred have to use belt leather and other products derived from cows. They even have companies doing leather export. Even more to say many pharma industries use the gelatin derived from beef to make capsules and other medicines. Why are they not targeted, no idea.

First of all cow sacred is played to fool the public and hide governing lapses of BJP. So now a question how will they know the cow is taken for slaughtering it can be for anything even for its own medication. In the name of beef ban they create problems to people who breed cows and to a cow itself which shows they aren't meant sacred for them really.
 
India is just talk.

The United States / United Kingdom walk the talk: one Islamic country or the other is bombed every two and a half years on average by the folks you vote for, leaving you bawling for years on end and pacifying yourself with change.org petitions while living in the delusion that your views are taken into account in a supposed democracy.

Well I think that is his point. At least the UK/US are smart enough to legitimise their wars through manipulating the UN resolutions and keeping their public statements diplomatic. You wouldn't get one of their MPs openly crowing about genocide of civilians in another country. These guys are supposed to be your leaders.
 
Well I think that is his point. At least the UK/US are smart enough to legitimise their wars through manipulating the UN resolutions and keeping their public statements diplomatic. You wouldn't get one of their MPs openly crowing about genocide of civilians in another country. These guys are supposed to be your leaders.

So you're fine with Iraq and Libya being blown to smithereens just because the PR is good?

Snake oil merchants all over are lining up outside your house right now.
 
So you're fine with Iraq and Libya being blown to smithereens just because the PR is good?

Snake oil merchants all over are lining up outside your house right now.

No I'm not fine with it, since I think it will be counter-productive in the long run, if you blow those countries to pieces, then the refugees are going to end up here, along with the people who we are supposed to be attacking in the first place. But we don't have to agree with everything our government does, it's a democracy. But yes, it at least shows some statesmanship that the govt representatives have the sense to talk with some form of diplomacy. It shows intelligence and maturity if nothing else. I'd be happier with that than some idiot in office making offensive and quite moronic statements.
 
There are no RSS schools, unlike Saudi funded Madrassas in our neighborhood.

Funny, since you didn;t want to live in peace with the Hindu majority, besides your fascination with invaders & complete indoctrination wiping out Indian or to be more precise Hindu ancestors from your history textbooks!

This obviously is not a historic justice considering that rohingyas did not carry out any genocide.
 
This obviously is not a historic justice considering that rohingyas did not carry out any genocide.
Who's saying anything about that, but as long as Pak & India do not make peace there will always be fictitious enemies created by fringe elements in either nation.

RSS will always say that Pak is the enemy, by extension Muslims outside India, though officially Rohingyas started this conflict according to Burmese military, so they can be painted easily as terrorists. Your army will always paint India as the enemy to keep themselves in power, the people who suffer mostly will be minorities & the poor. That bit will never change because that's the nature of the beast, called politics.
 
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Who's saying anything about that, but as long as Pak & India do not make peace there will always be fictitious enemies created by fringe elements in either nation.

RSS will always say that Pak is the enemy, by extension Muslims outside India, though officially Rohingyas started this conflict according to Burmese military, so they can be painted easily as terrorists. Your army will always paint India as the enemy to keep themselves in power, the people who suffer mostly will be minorities & the poor. That bit will never change because that's the nature of the beast, called politics.

I had no idea that the Islamic minorities in Myanmar instigated the riots, just like they did in Ayodhya and Gujarat riots according to Hindutva historians. Thanks for the info.
 
I had no idea that the Islamic minorities in Myanmar instigated the riots, just like they did in Ayodhya and Gujarat riots according to Hindutva historians. Thanks for the info.
Just hindutva historians, what about iron beradar :21:
Malala has a lot to learn before hitting out at Suu Kyi

Malala Yousafzai, a Pakistani Nobel Peace Prize laureate, has stood out against Myanmar's de facto leader Aung San Suu Kyi, condemning her for the treatment of the minority Muslim Rohingya in Myanmar. With a Nobel Peace Prize, Malala has been made into an advocate and a judge of world peace. She speaks as if she has mastered the truth of peace.

Malala took to Twitter to hit out at Suu Kyi this week. "Over the last several years, I have repeatedly condemned this tragic and shameful treatment [against Rohingya]," Malala said in a post. "I am still waiting for my fellow Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi to do the same. The world is waiting and the Rohingya Muslims are waiting."

Malala should get herself acquainted with the basic facts of the violence in Rakhine state before criticizing her fellow Nobel laureate.

The crisis is triggered by Muslim extremists' violent attacks against Myanmar's governmental forces, and the latter were pressured to take retaliatory actions. Ethnic and religious conflicts between the minority Muslim Rohingya and the majority Buddhist population have been simmering for a long time. Malala seems to be unaware that like many issues in her own country, Myanmar's Rohingya crisis is a sophisticated issue that cannot be realistically solved in a short span of time.

As the youngest Nobel laureate, Malala was awarded the prize for her fearless fight against the Taliban. She is a victim of terrorism herself and is supposed to have her own feelings and thoughts about the violence of Muslim terrorists.
Muslim extremist groups, such as the Islamic State, are responsible for many violent attacks in the world, and are a common enemy for the whole world.

Asia's development and global peace must be taken into account in anti-terrorism operations. Terrorists must be eradicated, and Rakhine state, a region of geostrategic significance, cannot become a hotbed for terrorist groups to take root and blossom.

Malala is clueless about the significance of Myanmar's strikes against extremists. She should learn more about the situation in Myanmar, and her criticism against Suu Kyi is inappropriate.

Not long ago, Malala was manipulated by the Western media outlets to attack China over the treatment of Liu Xiaobo following his death. Liu was sentenced for instigating subversion of State power. Regrettably, she is still being used by the West as a pawn on the Rohingya issue.

Malala has a lot to learn, rather than posing as a "Peace Master" to lecture others who she thinks don't understand the true essence of peace. She was almost killed in 2012 by Muslim extremists. And it is those Muslim extremists that she should firstly target.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1065361.shtml
 
There are no RSS schools, unlike Saudi funded Madrassas in our neighborhood.

Funny, since you didn;t want to live in peace with the Hindu majority, besides your fascination with invaders & complete indoctrination wiping out Indian or to be more precise Hindu ancestors from your history textbooks!

This is the problem with discourse amongst Indians and Pakistanis, there is always the need to prove one is morally superior to the other, always the desire to compete as to which is the most violent and evil, which the most peace-loving and tolerant.

If we cannot achieve agreement, we should be able to arrive at compromise, by acknowledging that there are faults on both - or all - sides.

We ought not to allow politicians to divide us, because if we do, then we are responsible for the conflicts, violence and wars that follow. Indians and Pakistanis have so much in common, these commonalities need to stressed, in order to isolate and defeat all extremists, dividers and rulers, warmongers.

The only ones who profit from division are the enemies of peace.
 
Great source, that well known political historian comrade Liu Lulu of the red republic.

No surprise that the first cyber warrior to respond with gusto in the comments was 'Maratha warrior'
So your disputing the regular Chinese mouthpiece, I didn't know freedom of speech was a thing there, oh wait it isn't.
 
This is the problem with discourse amongst Indians and Pakistanis, there is always the need to prove one is morally superior to the other, always the desire to compete as to which is the most violent and evil, which the most peace-loving and tolerant.

If we cannot achieve agreement, we should be able to arrive at compromise, by acknowledging that there are faults on both - or all - sides.

We ought not to allow politicians to divide us, because if we do, then we are responsible for the conflicts, violence and wars that follow. Indians and Pakistanis have so much in common, these commonalities need to stressed, in order to isolate and defeat all extremists, dividers and rulers, warmongers.

The only ones who profit from division are the enemies of peace.
I'm not disputing any of that but Saudi funding in South Asia is a problem, even many Pakistanis living in Pak say that. There is no such problem in India, it is a much higher level thing i.e. politically driven, not necessarily ideological, at least at the grass root level.
 
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I'm not disputing any of that but Saudi funding in South Asia is a problem, even many Pakistanis living in Pak say that. There is no such problem in India, it is a much higher level thing i.e. politically driven, not necessarily ideological, at least at the grass root level.

Sorry, but saudi funding exists in india too. You can check wikileaks if you want. I was at a dargah with Mrs CC last week (a famous one) and seeing that the majority of visitors were hindus I told my missus that with muslims disowning them under saudi influence we hindus would be soon taking over the dargahs.
 
Sorry, but saudi funding exists in india too. You can check wikileaks if you want. I was at a dargah with Mrs CC last week (a famous one) and seeing that the majority of visitors were hindus I told my missus that with muslims disowning them under saudi influence we hindus would be soon taking over the dargahs.
Can you quantify the number of (educational) institutions under Saudi influence, as opposed to the regular ones? Let's say a guesstimate.
With 1.3 billion people it'd be hard to move away from their influence, but AFAIK they fund very few places in India.
 
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I'm not disputing any of that but Saudi funding in South Asia is a problem, even many Pakistanis living in Pak say that. There is no such problem in India, it is a much higher level thing i.e. politically driven, not necessarily ideological, at least at the grass root level.


Yes, you are right. Many Muslims - including Arabs - strongly oppose the Saudi royal clan, and all their doings, in political and religious terms.

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that the problems in India are not ideological - they are exactly that, hence the rise of Hindu nationalism and extremist Hindu sentiment. Narendra Modi would not have been elected to his position, had he not appealed to the far-right of Indian/Hindu population. The great thing about the country, though, is its huge opposition to anything that resembles a religious state, with many stressing the need to maintain India's secular system.

Just for the record, many Pakistanis and Muslims (including Arabs) love India and Indians. So do not be deceived by the extremist voices you hear that blame India for all the ills in the sub-Continent.
 
Can you quantify the number of (educational) institutions under Saudi influence, as opposed to the regular ones? Let's say a guesstimate.
With 1.3 billion people it'd be hard to move away from their influence, but AFAIK they fund very few places in India.

According to the document released by wikileaks, saudis had funded 9 educational institutes (nursing, science, medical etc) in kerala, west bengal, uttar pradesh and maharashtra. And this is what we know, the real figure may be higher.
 
Yes, you are right. Many Muslims - including Arabs - strongly oppose the Saudi royal clan, and all their doings, in political and religious terms.

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that the problems in India are not ideological - they are exactly that, hence the rise of Hindu nationalism and extremist Hindu sentiment. Narendra Modi would not have been elected to his position, had he not appealed to the far-right of Indian/Hindu population. The great thing about the country, though, is its huge opposition to anything that resembles a religious state, with many stressing the need to maintain India's secular system.

Just for the record, many Pakistanis and Muslims (including Arabs) love India and Indians. So do not be deceived by the extremist voices you hear that blame India for all the ills in the sub-Continent.
I say it's not ideological because as I child we're taught about the great rulers of the past like Ashoka (my favorite) & then Akbar (second on the list) & in history books (CBSE) we've been taught that Hindus & Muslims lived peacefully for many centuries. People occupying this land are our people, religion is always secondary.

The likes of Kabir, Tulsi Das are held in the same vein, that bit hasn't changed due to religion or politics. What did change was that the British led partition, yes most of us here blame Nehru & the British as much as Muslim League if not more, wrecked havoc & that the bloodshed was awful. What followed is a history of 4 wars, all instigated by Pak, maybe you can correct me on that.

Therefore Pak is the one entity that we should always be wary of, though China is the one most of us will never trust, we can trust Pak maybe towards the end of this century never China though.

Oh I know that, it's politics & the people in power who are responsible in letting this fire burn eternally, for their personal gains!
 
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I say it's not ideological because as I child we're taught about the great rulers of the past like Ashoka (my favorite) & then Akbar (second on the list) & in history books (CBSE) we've been taught that Hindus & Muslims lived peacefully for many centuries.

If you respect ashoka then you must respect aurangzeb too. Both were bloodlusty rulers who turned pious after their barbarity.
 
I say it's not ideological because as I child we're taught about the great rulers of the past like Ashoka (my favorite) & then Akbar (second on the list) & in history books (CBSE) we've been taught that Hindus & Muslims lived peacefully for many centuries. People occupying this land are our people, religion is always secondary.

The likes of Kabir, Tulsi Das are held in the same vein, that bit hasn't changed due to religion or politics. What did change was that the British led partition, yes most of us here blame Nehru & the British as much as Muslim League if not more, wrecked havoc & that the bloodshed was awful. What followed is a history of 4 wars, all instigated by Pak, maybe you can correct me on that.

Therefore Pak is the one entity that we should always be wary of, though China is the one most of us will never trust, we can trust Pak maybe towards the end of this century never China though.

Oh I know that, it's politics & the people in power who are responsible in letting this fire burn eternally, for their personal gains!


I do not blame Indians for hating Muslims, in that the latter were responsible for the break-up of the sub-Continent - with the British employing their typical divide and conquer policies.

Yes, the creation of Pakistan led to huge loss of life, terrible atrocities and injustices, perpetrated by all sides. No community or group was, or is, entirely guilty or entirely innocent.

What led to the creation of Pakistan? Whisperings against Hindus, that when the British departed there would be slaughter of Muslims on an epic scale. The British used this tactic of instilling fear and terror all over their Empire.

In any case, I happen to be amongst a minority, that believes the break-up of the Indian sub-Continent was a historic mistake, because it caused perpetual enemies along national, religious, sectarian and political lines.

I am grateful to pakpassion for not kicking me off this site, because I was blocked from an FB page for expressing the same view. As you can imagine, there is nothing like nationalism to bring out the worst in people.
 
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I do not blame Indians for hating Muslims, in that the latter were responsible for the break-up of the sub-Continent - with the British employing their typical divide and conquer policies.

Yes, the creation of Pakistan led to huge loss of life, terrible atrocities and injustices, perpetrated by all sides. No community or group was, or is, entirely guilty or entirely innocent.

What led to the creation of Pakistan? Whisperings against Hindus, that when the British departed there would be slaughter of Muslims on an epic scale. The British used this tactic of instilling fear and terror all over their Empire.

In any case, I happen to be amongst a minority, that believes the break-up of the Indian sub-Continent was a historic mistake, because it caused perpetual enemies along national, religious, sectarian and political lines.

I am grateful to pakpassion for not kicking me off this site, because I was blocked from an FB page for expressing the same view. As you can imagine, there is nothing like nationalism to bring out the worst in people.
I agree with that, many in India do too.

Religion didn;t separate us for over a 1000 years, what changed in 1947 then? The Kashmir issue is simmering mainly because it's based on the same false pretense that was used at the time of partition.

The early differences were basically all based on power sharing, Nehru & Congress then took a hardline stance which the British exploited.
 
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People do respect the worship of cows by the other religion. But an unnecessary chaos was created to target killing Muslims in the name of beef ban. Why the people talk about cow sacred have to use belt leather and other products derived from cows. They even have companies doing leather export. Even more to say many pharma industries use the gelatin derived from beef to make capsules and other medicines. Why are they not targeted, no idea.

First of all cow sacred is played to fool the public and hide governing lapses of BJP. So now a question how will they know the cow is taken for slaughtering it can be for anything even for its own medication. In the name of beef ban they create problems to people who breed cows and to a cow itself which shows they aren't meant sacred for them really.

Cow slaughter is banned in most states of India starting 1956.Banning cow slaughter is in the directive principles of state policy enshrined in the constitution of India.Both these happened way before BJP.

Beef isnt banned.Cow slaughter is banned.Buffalo meat is very much available.So is imported cow beef.

Why people wear leather belts or use gelatin, you have to ask them.But leather and beef can be extracted from even non cow sources.

Let people decide if BJP have had lapses.They can vote bjp out.

Why muslim clergy cannot accept universal civil code or common civil code?That will end all religion specific laws.But no they want polygamy they want that their divorce cases dont go to civil courts etc etc.
 
I do not blame Indians for hating Muslims, in that the latter were responsible for the break-up of the sub-Continent - with the British employing their typical divide and conquer policies.

Yes, the creation of Pakistan led to huge loss of life, terrible atrocities and injustices, perpetrated by all sides. No community or group was, or is, entirely guilty or entirely innocent.

What led to the creation of Pakistan? Whisperings against Hindus, that when the British departed there would be slaughter of Muslims on an epic scale. The British used this tactic of instilling fear and terror all over their Empire.

In any case, I happen to be amongst a minority, that believes the break-up of the Indian sub-Continent was a historic mistake, because it caused perpetual enemies along national, religious, sectarian and political lines.

I am grateful to pakpassion for not kicking me off this site, because I was blocked from an FB page for expressing the same view. As you can imagine, there is nothing like nationalism to bring out the worst in people.

A very large percentage of Indians themselves probably are glad that India broke up in retrospect. If they had Pakistan's and Bangladesh population to deal with it would dilute the Hindutva power base which rose to power on the very same principles of divide and rule. Modi fans can barely stomach the idea of taking an extra 40,000 Muslims from Myanmar never mind add 400 million to their total in a united India.
 
A very large percentage of Indians themselves probably are glad that India broke up in retrospect. If they had Pakistan's and Bangladesh population to deal with it would dilute the Hindutva power base which rose to power on the very same principles of divide and rule. Modi fans can barely stomach the idea of taking an extra 40,000 Muslims from Myanmar never mind add 400 million to their total in a united India.


Would Hindu nationalism and religious extremism even exist if Pakistan had not been created? I doubt it, or perhaps not to the extent and degree it does now.

The break-up of the sub-Continent led to xenophobia, religious and political extremism on all sides. Had India remained unified, there would have been some communal tension and the occasional flare-up of religious violence, that is natural, almost inevitable. But there would never have been this level of bitter hatred, suspicion and national, religious, sectarian, regional conflict and violence that exists currently.

This is my personal opinion, I could be wrong, probably am.
 
Would Hindu nationalism and religious extremism even exist if Pakistan had not been created? I doubt it, or perhaps not to the extent and degree it does now.

The break-up of the sub-Continent led to xenophobia, religious and political extremism on all sides. Had India remained unified, there would have been some communal tension and the occasional flare-up of religious violence, that is natural, almost inevitable. But there would never have been this level of bitter hatred, suspicion and national, religious, sectarian, regional conflict and violence that exists currently.

This is my personal opinion, I could be wrong, probably am.

I don't have any answers to that, you would probably need to do an in-depth study of the events which led to partition, the Indians of today tend to blame the British going by the threads I've read on here which have dealt with the topic specifically.

Whether that's true or not, I don't think you can use that as an excuse for the inexorable rise of Hindu nationalism today. India is supposedly one of the two rising powers in Asia, as such they should be in a prime position to drive policy for the region, especially given the cultural advantage they share with Pakistan. Much like you would expect the USA to take responsibility for policy in their continent.
 
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