A question for Pakistan fans - How many series has Younis Khan failed in lately?

[Hitman]

You can't say he failed in the England tour. His double century in the last Test yielded gold for his team. He might have not been a huge success, but he certainly wasn't a big time failure in the entire series.

Alright he failed in his last 2 Tests, agreed.

Now please tell me how many series did he fail in the last 3 years please?

 

[Sarfarazian92]

He doesn't have the skillset to face pacers; neither in UAE nor abroad. That 200 in Eng was a fluke.

I haven't seen anyone in the Pakistan team chase as many balls outside off as he does. Even Sohail, Wahab, and Amir leave more deliveries than him.

We don't have a series in UAE anytime soon. He should get to 10k runs and retire.

 

[Hitman]

He doesn't have the skillset to face pacers; neither in UAE nor abroad. That 200 in Eng was a fluke.

I haven't seen anyone in the Pakistan team chase as many balls outside off as he does. Even Sohail, Wahab, and Amir leave more deliveries than him.

We don't have a series in UAE anytime soon. He should get to 10k runs and retire.

Same can be said about Lara's 153* innings aginst Australia where West Indies defeated Australia as fluke. Bottom line, Younis Khan scored that double hundred in England and it yielded gold for his team.

 

[shaz619]

Younis Khan and Misbah only have fans in India just like how Dravid and Rahane only have fans in Pakistan.

@ The OP, he's been a terrific bat and has done well despite being past his prime. The inconsistency is not great but do we have a replacement who is capable of playing a match winning knock?

 

[Junaids]

You can't say he failed in the England tour. His double century in the last Test yielded gold for his team. He might have not been a huge success, but he certainly wasn't a big time failure in the entire series.

Alright he failed in his last 2 Tests, agreed.

Now please tell me how many series did he fail in the last 3 years please?

He has failed in his last three series outside Asia, across four years.

A team will lose most games if Number 4 passes fifty twice in seventeen innings.

I repeat: in 15 out of 17 innings Younis Khan has been dismissed for less than 50, in nine matches.

It doesn't matter if he scored 218 or 318 or 418 in the other two innings.

And next up is Australia! Bigger, faster bowlers on bouncier wickets. The place where 41 year old Graham Gooch - similarly superfit - and 37 year old Mike Gatting had their careers ended in 1994-95.

It truly is a Fool's Errand for a batsman in his forties to tour Australia with such a catastrophic sequence of failures outside Asia behind him.

 

[Hitman]

Younis Khan and Misbah only have fans in India just like how Dravid and Rahane only have fans in Pakistan.

@ The OP, he's been a terrific bat and has done well despite being past his prime. The inconsistency is not great but do we have a replacement who is capable of playing a match winning knock?

Let's see how well he does in Australia. If he comes out good, then we need to applaud his determination. If not, then he should seriously think about his future. If he doesn't, then the selectors need to think his future in place of himself.

 

[Junaids]

Same can be said about Lara's 153* innings aginst Australia where West Indies defeated Australia as fluke. Bottom line, Younis Khan scored that double hundred in England and it yielded gold for his team.

And he did diddly squat in the previous two Tests and you lost them. And diddly squat in the next two Tests and you lost them.

You are going to carry a batsman on the basis that he will only lose you 80% of Test matches?

 

[Hitman]

And he did diddly squat in the previous two Tests and you lost them. And diddly squat in the next two Tests and you lost them.

You are going to carry a batsman on the basis that he will only lose you 80% of Test matches?

So you're judging him based on 4 Tests in total, despite the fact that he did score a wonderful double hundred after his failure in the first 2 Tests against England? Or are you gonna judge his entire career based on his last 2 Tests?

I hope he comes good in Australia and throws eggs all over the faces of ungrateful fans.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Same can be said about Lara's 153* innings aginst Australia where West Indies defeated Australia as fluke. Bottom line, Younis Khan scored that double hundred in England and it yielded gold for his team.

It did, and I'm not arguing against that. I'm not a person who cares about how the person bats as long as he score runs. But outside of that innings, Younis has been a total failure outside Uae recently and you can't ignore that fact.

 

[Hitman]

It did, and I'm not arguing against that. I'm not a person who cares about how the person bats as long as he score runs. But outside of that innings, Younis has been a total failure outside Uae recently and you can't ignore that fact.

But he has done wonderfully well in the UAE, and you can't dispose him as garbage just because he failed in his last 2 Tests.

 

[Junaids]

So you're judging him based on 4 Tests in total, despite the fact that he did score a wonderful double hundred after his failure in the first 2 Tests against England? Or are you gonna judge his entire career based on his last 2 Tests?

I hope he comes good in Australia and throws eggs all over the faces of ungrateful fans.

Yes, my friend, that's how you select a sports team.

You judge veterans on their recent performances. Not a "large sample size" including performances as a much younger man.

Younis Khan has had six Tests outside Asia in the last four months, and has failed in 10 of those 11 innings.

The next three Tests are much harder.

10 failures out of 11 qualifies Younis for nothing except a seat on the bench.

And do you understand that this is my all-time favourite Pakistan batsman?

I am his fan, but I can see that time has caught up with him, and it's over.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

But he has done wonderfully well in the UAE, and you can't dispose him as garbage just because he failed in his last 2 Tests.

when you pick a player, you have to play him in all conditions. Babar Azam or Azhar Ali for example might not be as prolific as Younis in uae but they are miles better than him outside the UAE. You can't have a #4 who hasn't scored a 50 in 10 of his last 11 innings outside the Uae. His reflexes are deteriorating and his judgement of pacers is atrocious to be honest. This is coming from a person who used to be a huge supporter of Younis the test batsman. I'm no hater, only want the best for Pakistan.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Younis Khan and Misbah only have fans in India just like how Dravid and Rahane only have fans in Pakistan.

@ The OP, he's been a terrific bat and has done well despite being past his prime. The inconsistency is not great but do we have a replacement who is capable of playing a match winning knock?

King Misbah is only second to Amir in terms of popularity among Pak fans because of his exploits as test captain. Afridi is obviously the most popular but he isn't the team so I excluded him.

 

[The_Odd_One]

He doesn't have the skillset to face pacers; neither in UAE nor abroad. That 200 in Eng was a fluke.

I haven't seen anyone in the Pakistan team chase as many balls outside off as he does. Even Sohail, Wahab, and Amir leave more deliveries than him.

We don't have a series in UAE anytime soon. He should get to 10k runs and retire.

He has scored 170+ in England in 2006. Scored 160+ in NZ early in his career. Scored a series saving double hundred in Zimbabwe. All of those innings were also fluke?

 

[troodon]

He doesn't have the skillset to face pacers; neither in UAE nor abroad. That 200 in Eng was a fluke.

I haven't seen anyone in the Pakistan team chase as many balls outside off as he does. Even Sohail, Wahab, and Amir leave more deliveries than him.

We don't have a series in UAE anytime soon. He should get to 10k runs and retire.

Close to 10k runs is not fluke.

I do agree that YK is no good against good pacers. But he is a quality player of spin. No wonder he succeeds in UAE where pacers become useless and spinners are the only option.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It's all about that 10.000 runs mark now. Everyone including Younus know that he has lost it since 2015.

It's like how Inzi wanted to keep playing just to surpass Miandad's record.

 

[Square Drive]

All of them.

Most overrated player to exist.

 

[Sadevdesai]

When you analyze his OUTS, one thing is absolutely clear .... his Timing !!! Either he does not gauge the speed of the ball correctly or his bat does not come down in time to meet the ball in the Middle of the bat !!! Whichever, but it only produces a Nick, to be gobbled up by the WK or one of the slip fielders .... simple. Mind you, this happens to even Batsmen in form .... but now it happens to YK regularly. May be he should practice at the nets with bowler bowling few yards shorter than normal distance .... just to simulate a Faster ball .... may help him.

 

[Mamoon]

The most mediocre batsman in history to average 50+.

There isn't a single batsman in the 50+ club that is not better than him.

 

[Junaids]

Do people on this board understand that Inzamam did one tour too many to Australia (04-05) and so did Yousuf (09-10).

Australian conditions really expose elderly Asian batsmen with fading reflexes.

 

[moghul]

Selectors are not doing any favor to YK by persisting him after so many failure and at such a late age. Eventually, although a but too late, he will be thrown out of the team in disgrace which he would not deserve. Many people still admire him for some of his innings but the way things are going with him, people will come out on streets to demand his exit.

 

[moghul]

It's all about that 10.000 runs mark now. Everyone including Younus know that he has lost it since 2015.

It's like how Inzi wanted to keep playing just to surpass Miandad's record.

Is there anyway PCB can get an "honorary" membership for him into 10K club and get rid of him, FGS. He is costing Pak team dearly.

 

[Junaids]

100% series failure rate for Younis Khan outside Asia since he was 38 years old.

And that was five years ago!

Why not pick Inzamam or Javed Miandad too?

 

[Junaids]

The most mediocre batsman in history to average 50+.

There isn't a single batsman in the 50+ club that is not better than him.

That's harsh, but it's his own fault.

I think he was a top batsman until he got to around the age of 38, five years ago.

 

[Hawkeye]

The most mediocre batsman in history to average 50+.

There isn't a single batsman in the 50+ club that is not better than him.

Harsh, but true. Everyone was blindly singing his praises after the double ton in England. That too, after failing in 9 consecutive innings (3 matches).

But.... there's hardly anyone in the 50+ club who is significantly ahead at playing spin.

 

[OmaIR1]

I called this much earlier. In fact, although I gave him credit for his 200 in England I suggested he retire. Younis Khan is becoming the Afridi of Pakistan in Test cricket. He needs to go and allow younger players to develop.

 

[moghul]

Afridi was dropped but for unknown reason no one has authority to drop YK who has been failing in one test after another, and that too in some batting friendly conditions like 2nd inning of Hamilton test.

 

[cricketInsight]

The main question is would you pick Rizwan ahead of Younis in Australia? I guess many of would be willing to give Rizwan a couple of test matches ahead of Younis at this time.

 

[Abdullah719]

The main question is would you pick Rizwan ahead of Younis in Australia? I guess many of would be willing to give Rizwan a couple of test matches ahead of Younis at this time.

I would certainly back Rizwan to score more than 16 runs in four innings.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It's been ages and Pakistanis still haven't understood the concept of leaving cricket with dignity. All they know about is retiring on their own terms as if the team is their family heir.

 

[Hasan123]

The most mediocre batsman in history to average 50+.

There isn't a single batsman in the 50+ club that is not better than him.

Lol can't believe people was calling him atg. Bit of seam or or bounce of the pitch and he looks like a tailender

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Lol can't believe people was calling him atg. Bit of seam or or bounce of the pitch and he looks like a tailender

In 2014 almost everyone called him as one of the best for Pak in tests. But now he has ruined it all.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Close to 10k runs is not fluke.

I do agree that YK is no good against good pacers. But he is a quality player of spin. No wonder he succeeds in UAE where pacers become useless and spinners are the only option.

Well, he's scored those 10k runs over a span of 16 years. You can't judge a 40+ year old's abilities taking into account his performance in his 20s and 30s because his abilities aren't the same.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

He has scored 170+ in England in 2006. Scored 160+ in NZ early in his career. Scored a series saving double hundred in Zimbabwe. All of those innings were also fluke?

It's about now. I don't care what he did in 2006. The fact is, in 11 innings outside Asia, he managed one 200 and didn't manage a single 50 in the other 10 innings. What do you want me to call an outlier like that?

He's a great player of spin and excellent in the UAE but he's a walking wicket in seamer-friendly conditions.

 

[petercat]

Is he an ATG as some people here claimed even said he is as good as Rahul Dravid or is he not?

 

[petercat]

The best Pakistani Batsman and ATG was Javed Miandad.Followed by Inzy bhai.The rest come way way way below.

 

[Junaids]

He has scored 170+ in England in 2006. Scored 160+ in NZ early in his career. Scored a series saving double hundred in Zimbabwe. All of those innings were also fluke?

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

If 40-somethings can be selected on the basis of how they performed over a decade ago, then why aren't Hayden and Gilchrist and Warne going to play?

 

[QalandarFan]

The best Pakistani Batsman and ATG was Javed Miandad.Followed by Inzy bhai.The rest come way way way below.

Huh???

Those two are probably the best but you can't forget YK has been an ace batsman till last few years. Even still he is a top player of spin.

To add to that Mohammad Yousuf was a great batsman as well same thing happened with him is his last few years were torrid.

How can you not mention the name of Yousuf and YK when talking about Pakistani greats, Younis has won Pakistan several Test matches, just because his last few years he's been out of form outside Asia you say he's not a Pakistani great.

I agree it's time for him to retire now, but saying he's not one of our greats is harsh.

 

[petercat]

Huh???

Those two are probably the best but you can't forget YK has been an ace batsman till last few years. Even still he is a top player of spin.

To add to that Mohammad Yousuf was a great batsman as well same thing happened with him is his last few years were torrid.

How can you not mention the name of Yousuf and YK when talking about Pakistani greats, Younis has won Pakistan several Test matches, just because his last few years he's been out of form outside Asia you say he's not a Pakistani great.

I agree it's time for him to retire now, but saying he's not one of our greats is harsh.

Mohammad Yousuf avgs poorly in India,Sri Lanka,Australia and South Africa.

Younis Khan avgs poorly outside Asia in places like SA and WI and he has hardly played in AUS(2 tests)

Very similar records you see.Struggles againist fast bowling.

If i have to choose 2 more batsman after Miandad and Inzy,they would be Zaheer Abbas and Saeed Anwar.

May be after that i will talk about Yousuf and Younis.Though even Salim Malik has a good case if we want to talk about runs scored in tough conditions.

 

[Abdullah]

When does hafeaz get his bowling results?

 

[Zaz]

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

If 40-somethings can be selected on the basis of how they performed over a decade ago, then why aren't Hayden and Gilchrist and Warne going to play?

Lets not talk nonsense

I guess the hundreds in england and south africa in recent years didnt happen then?

 

[Junaids]

Lets not talk nonsense

I guess the hundreds in england and south africa in recent years didnt happen then?

Yes, they did.

England = 1 century + 6 failures
South Africa = 1 century + 5 failures.

Both completely unacceptable success/failure ratios for a Number 4 batsman.