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The Pakistan Army has now opened up two fronts. Instead of strategic depth, there are two hotly contested borders with Pakistan squeezed in between. On top of that, internal turmoil, no economic growth, companies leaving in droves.
So what did Pakistan achieve by attacking Afghanistan?
 
It is what you hoped to achieve through Operation Sindoor but got turnt to tandoor as you suffered global humiliation with a massive egg on your face.

The difference in our case is that we are suffering indian sponsored terrorism on continuous basis from the past 20 years and we have had enough.

Pakistan's goal is to extract a heavy price for those that harbour indian sponsored terrorists in their country. In this the khwarij Afghanis who needed a well earned lesson. This sends a message that we can strike you anywhere with impunity, and can even strike in your capital with sheer precision that it takes out the head of the snake which was in this case Noor Wali Mehsud.

We will see in the coming days how it pans out, but the gloves are off.
 
It's 7-0 now against Afganistan, they destroyed 7 afgani mules
Mules or mules piloting Rafales - one thing is consistent, Indians are always in need of constant burnol throughtout 2025. May this continue forever.
 
Only country in South Asia where poverty, hygeine, healthcare and literacy has only gotten worse over the decades. What they have achieved is an assured continuation of this trend.
 
Double field field marshall award incoming ...
Hoping Trump saves Sharifs ass again when the Taliban responds...
But good for Pakistan this time their satellites worked and they have some evidence of damage..in May the summer heat caused their satellites to malfunction and they couldn't show any videos of the extensive damage they caused in India
 
Anyone who collaborates with India is classed as a terrorist and exterminate, therefore must receive a few slaps by default. It’s only right

Says the person from a country globally known as terrorist hub and where worlds biggest terrorist was staying like a king for years. If only hypocrisy has a face...
 
Says the person from a country globally known as terrorist hub and where worlds biggest terrorist was staying like a king for years. If only hypocrisy has a face...
World’s biggest terrorist is subjective. Just because his terrorism was against the US, does not make him the world’s biggest terrorist.

It’s like saying this rapist was the worst. But all rape is bad, you can categorise it on a scale.
 
Double field field marshall award incoming ...
Hoping Trump saves Sharifs ass again when the Taliban responds...
But good for Pakistan this time their satellites worked and they have some evidence of damage..in May the summer heat caused their satellites to malfunction and they couldn't show any videos of the extensive damage they caused in India
Pakistani satellites are Hinduphobic. They don’t work properly in India.
 
It is what you hoped to achieve through Operation Sindoor but got turnt to tandoor as you suffered global humiliation with a massive egg on your face.

The difference in our case is that we are suffering indian sponsored terrorism on continuous basis from the past 20 years and we have had enough.

Pakistan's goal is to extract a heavy price for those that harbour indian sponsored terrorists in their country. In this the khwarij Afghanis who needed a well earned lesson. This sends a message that we can strike you anywhere with impunity, and can even strike in your capital with sheer precision that it takes out the head of the snake which was in this case Noor Wali Mehsud.

We will see in the coming days how it pans out, but the gloves are off.

Pak army thought they could show mustle and Taliban will get scared.

Instead they killed plenty of soldiers on the border ( 20+ admitted by the army itself) took your soldiers captive and even more blast happened. Even the sentiment among Pakistanis is not the same as war with India. They dont want war with Afghanistan.

Another miscalculated move by the army.
 
It showed Afghanistan that if they keep on housing Ttp terrorists, pakistan will now directly attack them.

Now its upto the Afghan taliban whether they want peace or war and peace with them can only come of they stop housing ttp terrorists
 
It showed Afghanistan that if they keep on housing Ttp terrorists, pakistan will now directly attack them.

Now its upto the Afghan taliban whether they want peace or war and peace with them can only come of they stop housing ttp terrorists
They already gave the answer on the border.
 
Anyone who collaborates with India is classed as a terrorist and exterminate, therefore must receive a few slaps by default. It’s only right
Issue isnt India. Dont know why people are falling for this india stance thing.

Afghanistan can have foreign relations with any country for all Pakistan care.

But as long as they provide safe heaven to ttp, Pakistan will have to kill ttp terrorists for its own protection.
 
Issue isnt India. Dont know why people are falling for this india stance thing.

Afghanistan can have foreign relations with any country for all Pakistan care.

But as long as they provide safe heaven to ttp, Pakistan will have to kill ttp terrorists for its own protection.
I know, these Indians don’t need to be given an explanation. Waste of time
 
They already gave the answer on the border.

Precedent is now set... next will be to go after logistic hubs, camps etc further afield. That applies to TTP, or other Indian supported terror outfits.

Like Iran found out, having Afghans roaming round freely is not a good idea. They will get swiftly deported from Pakistan now. Once thats achieved, it will be a different ball game from then on.
 
Precedent is now set... next will be to go after logistic hubs, camps etc further afield. That applies to TTP, or other Indian supported terror outfits.

Like Iran found out, having Afghans roaming round freely is not a good idea. They will get swiftly deported from Pakistan now. Once thats achieved, it will be a different ball game from then on.


They should get deported to India. Then we can ask @thelandofthebravepeople how come his Indian pals won't give them a warmer welcome than they got from Pakistan. :(
 
I have thrown up that idea here before. India should open up the Wagah/Atari border and accept all of them.
I think it would work better for them if they are settled in their place where their livelihood was uprooted from. This isn’t a merely refugee issue. Pakistan did not do a favor for these refugees, Pak establishment are the ones who were in cahoots with American army and CIA to make these people homeless in the first place. In fact I would argue Pakistan a place created for subcontinent Muslims should take all the Rohingyas, illegal Bangladeshis and all Muslim origin criminals in Indian jail to save them from persecution. That would have a legal standing and make more sense 👍
 
I think it would work better for them if they are settled in their place where their livelihood was uprooted from. This isn’t a merely refugee issue. Pakistan did not do a favor for these refugees, Pak establishment are the ones who were in cahoots with American army and CIA to make these people homeless in the first place. In fact I would argue Pakistan a place created for subcontinent Muslims should take all the Rohingyas, illegal Bangladeshis and all Muslim origin criminals in Indian jail to save them from persecution. That would have a legal standing and make more sense 👍


Why would Pakistan take the Rohingyas or Bangladeshis when there is a Bangladesh right there where they all hail from? Actually, if India is truly secular, then they should be welcome in any part of Bengal as all religions are supposed to be welcome in Bengal. In theory anyway.

You guys are hilarious, you would have been the first ones cheering on the American army bombing the Afghans when it was happening. You make the Pakistan establishment look like Mary Poppins.
 
Double field field marshall award incoming ...
Hoping Trump saves Sharifs ass again when the Taliban responds...
But good for Pakistan this time their satellites worked and they have some evidence of damage..in May the summer heat caused their satellites to malfunction and they couldn't show any videos of the extensive damage they caused in India
Pakistan provided satellite images from Afghanistan?
 
The Pakistan Army has now opened up two fronts. Instead of strategic depth, there are two hotly contested borders with Pakistan squeezed in between. On top of that, internal turmoil, no economic growth, companies leaving in droves.
So what did Pakistan achieve by attacking Afghanistan?

Firstly, I understand that your question is not intended for you to learn anything but based on spite and venom and nothing I will say will convince you so the response is for others.

I wouldn't have attacked Afghanistan but Pakistan Army did but your question is what did Pakistan achieve? In order to answer your question, I would combine the ideological refutation of Taliban, aerial attack and then the skirmish at the border and we see this:
  • A deterrence is established.
  • Asmat ullah Karar which is the largest military training facility in Afghanistan (used by IEA, Al-Qaeda and TTP) is no more
  • Pakistan hit them hard and IEA are clearly reeling and how do I know this? Because 15 Personnel have been reassigned by Hibatullah Akhundzada and buried deep in this are two announcements which I will highlight
In the military structure, Abdul Qayum Rohani, previously Taliban governor of Khost, was reassigned as commander of the Taliban’s 203 Mansoori Army Corps, while Mohammad Ismail Rasekh, who formerly held that command, was appointed Taliban police chief in Jawzjan. Abdul Sattar Saber, who served as Taliban police chief in Jawzjan, has now taken over as chief of staff of the Taliban’s central 313 Corps.

The underlined groups are the most advanced, well-equipped crack units of Taliban and the command of both of them has been removed!

@ElRaja and @IronShield are experts in the defense domain and they can tell you more but even a pleb like me can see what has happened here...You don't change specific commanders of your crack units if there was no damage inflicted by Pakistan Army.
 
Honestly, absolutely nothing, except maybe kissing up to the Americans.

Thats the best way to describe it. Modi did it for votes, Ch. Nizam Deen did it for $$$
 
Another useless war from Pakistan that they cannot win. Pak does not have the money to fight any long drawn out war.
 
Another useless war from Pakistan that they cannot win. Pak does not have the money to fight any long drawn out war.

From my understanding of it, Pakistan would not want a war with Afghanistan. What would be the point of that? According to the establishment, they are striking a terrorist group which is using Afghanistan as a base. Afghanistan under the previous regime used to claim the same group was hitting them from Pakistani territory.
 
Why do you think it'll be long drawn out war?

Why do you think Taliban want long drawn out war?
Because a long drawn out war is what Taliban wants. That is the only way they can win. Bleed the stronger opponent through several tiny cuts over a long period of time.
Taliban cannot be eliminated just by bombing a few buildings that Taliban hide or train. Its an ideology. Just like India did not achieve much through Operation Sindoor.
 
Because a long drawn out war is what Taliban wants. That is the only way they can win. Bleed the stronger opponent through several tiny cuts over a long period of time.
Taliban cannot be eliminated just by bombing a few buildings that Taliban hide or train. Its an ideology. Just like India did not achieve much through Operation Sindoor.

Pakistan is not imposing a war on Afghanistan through choice. Afghanistan gains nothing from it either. It is in both countries interest to rein in the rogue element which is being sponsored by outsiders. Unless you are seeing some wider motive which perhaps I am missing.
 
Because a long drawn out war is what Taliban wants. That is the only way they can win. Bleed the stronger opponent through several tiny cuts over a long period of time.
Taliban cannot be eliminated just by bombing a few buildings that Taliban hide or train. Its an ideology. Just like India did not achieve much through Operation Sindoor.
This is where you’re wrong, the Taliban isn’t looking for a long, drawn out war, their own statements show that. Pakistan isn’t trying to occupy Afghanistan. Yes, the Taliban are harsh on social issues, but they’re also focused on rebuilding Afghanistan and attracting investment. They want economic stability more than international recognition. If Pakistan actually tried to occupy Afghanistan, the Taliban might be able to rally resistance, but absent an occupation, this isn’t likely to become a prolonged conflict.

And make no mistake, neither Iran nor Pakistan will tolerate terrorists operating from Afghan soil.
 
This is where you’re wrong, the Taliban isn’t looking for a long, drawn out war, their own statements show that. Pakistan isn’t trying to occupy Afghanistan. Yes, the Taliban are harsh on social issues, but they’re also focused on rebuilding Afghanistan and attracting investment. They want economic stability more than international recognition. If Pakistan actually tried to occupy Afghanistan, the Taliban might be able to rally resistance, but absent an occupation, this isn’t likely to become a prolonged conflict.

And make no mistake, neither Iran nor Pakistan will tolerate terrorists operating from Afghan soil.
If you think Taliban will keep quiet after Pak attacked them, then you are mistaken. Taliban will keep attacking Pak regularly and Pak has to retaliate. It will be an ongoing clash with each side taking turns.
No country will take it lightly if attacks are coming from across the border.
 
If you think Taliban will keep quiet after Pak attacked them, then you are mistaken. Taliban will keep attacking Pak regularly and Pak has to retaliate. It will be an ongoing clash with each side taking turns.
No country will take it lightly if attacks are coming from across the border.


This seems like wishful thinking from your part rather than any legitimate strategy. As @HalBass9 pointed out, Afghanistan gains nothing from a long drawn out war either. They want investment and development.
 
This seems like wishful thinking from your part rather than any legitimate strategy. As @HalBass9 pointed out, Afghanistan gains nothing from a long drawn out war either. They want investment and development.
Afg does not believe in Durand line. They believe they have something to gain.
An ongoing war is something Pak cannot afford. Taliban thrive in such situations. They are used to it.
 
Firstly, I understand that your question is not intended for you to learn anything but based on spite and venom and nothing I will say will convince you so the response is for others.

I wouldn't have attacked Afghanistan but Pakistan Army did but your question is what did Pakistan achieve? In order to answer your question, I would combine the ideological refutation of Taliban, aerial attack and then the skirmish at the border and we see this:
  • A deterrence is established.
  • Asmat ullah Karar which is the largest military training facility in Afghanistan (used by IEA, Al-Qaeda and TTP) is no more
  • Pakistan hit them hard and IEA are clearly reeling and how do I know this? Because 15 Personnel have been reassigned by Hibatullah Akhundzada and buried deep in this are two announcements which I will highlight
In the military structure, Abdul Qayum Rohani, previously Taliban governor of Khost, was reassigned as commander of the Taliban’s 203 Mansoori Army Corps, while Mohammad Ismail Rasekh, who formerly held that command, was appointed Taliban police chief in Jawzjan. Abdul Sattar Saber, who served as Taliban police chief in Jawzjan, has now taken over as chief of staff of the Taliban’s central 313 Corps.

The underlined groups are the most advanced, well-equipped crack units of Taliban and the command of both of them has been removed!

@ElRaja and @IronShield are experts in the defense domain and they can tell you more but even a pleb like me can see what has happened here...You don't change specific commanders of your crack units if there was no damage inflicted by Pakistan Army.
@hoshiarpurexpress @Champ_Pal

As I have said repeatedly that I would not have attacked Afghanistan but the question was "gains by Pakistan" be it tactical...

The commander of Khalid Ibn Walid Corps has also been replaced by Hibatullah Akhundzada so it is clear that hammer was brought down by Pakistan.

I don't appreciate it
I don't like it

But I can't deny it as it is what it is...
 
Afg does not believe in Durand line. They believe they have something to gain.
An ongoing war is something Pak cannot afford. Taliban thrive in such situations. They are used to it.


I don't know if you are just deliberately missing the point. Afghans have plenty to gain from stability. Investment and development which they need. The won't get rid of the Durand Line by fighting a guerilla war indefinitely.
 
@hoshiarpurexpress @Champ_Pal

As I have said repeatedly that I would not have attacked Afghanistan but the question was "gains by Pakistan" be it tactical...

The commander of Khalid Ibn Walid Corps has also been replaced by Hibatullah Akhundzada so it is clear that hammer was brought down by Pakistan.

I don't appreciate it
I don't like it

But I can't deny it as it is what it is...
I unequivocally call it an unnecessary operation as the more you corner Afghans, the more they will move toward India and that is not in our interests. And also who are we terminating not our actual foes in East but some misguided brothers in west (obviously excluding extremists)
 
Because a long drawn out war is what Taliban wants. That is the only way they can win. Bleed the stronger opponent through several tiny cuts over a long period of time.
Taliban cannot be eliminated just by bombing a few buildings that Taliban hide or train. Its an ideology. Just like India did not achieve much through Operation Sindoor.
I agree with your point but want to differentiate between Pakistan and Afghanistan...kashmiri jehadis are sponsored and supported by Pak army which can absolutely be made to pay a price ...on the other hand Taliban are a guriella force....it's tha idealogy...on the pak side .hatred against India is inbuilt..can't defeat that by bombs...but without ISI help they can't carry out Pahalgam kind of attacks
 
Precedent is now set... next will be to go after logistic hubs, camps etc further afield. That applies to TTP, or other Indian supported terror outfits.

Like Iran found out, having Afghans roaming round freely is not a good idea. They will get swiftly deported from Pakistan now. Once thats achieved, it will be a different ball game from then on.
So TTP was your ally and so was Taliban ..all radical islamist who are absolutely anti Hindu and without any other evidence you claim India is backing TTP...you armed these guys...encouraged jehadi idealogy and directed them to Afghanistan and India as the peaceful prosperous and liberal way of life was an anethma to these TTP guys...now when they can't kill on these foreign lands .they want a piece of Paksitan land...you pay for what you sow...there is no India sponsoring these group.
 
Video evidence of the posts and convoys blown up

those are Drone feeds probably and they fly over Afg uncontested

Pak does nt need to provide any Sat images for Shooting down Rafales

Admitted by CDS Chuhan that planes were downed

as far Attacks

Co Sofia admitted in May 10 Morning brief that Pak had attacked Many Indian airbases and that it caused damage to equipment and Personnel . May be revisit that presser
 
We achieved muscle and might by kicking the afghan mules back to their mountains.
 
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Afg does not believe in Durand line. They believe they have something to gain.
An ongoing war is something Pak cannot afford. Taliban thrive in such situations. They are used to it.

they only thrive in Gurella Tactics against occupying force

They dnt have capibility to take foreign territory just with foot soldiers or do you imagine that can happen?
 
Taliban will keep attacking

Nothing new. TTP the Idelogical ally of TTA has already been doing it. Pak has been patient but it looks like Pak is now willing to Strike Inside Afg too. Afg cannot stop that.

so they will either keep Kabul or afford to Engage in war against much bigger enemy. only one of these things can happen. And those who say they survived Nato , Yes Partially because ISI helped them but while they were surviving they were nt in power. so again they will either survive and wage war or run a country .. both things wont happen at same time
 
Wow, going back to those old threads from when the US withdrew troops from Afghanistan, some Pakistan supporters were celebrating like it was a grand victory, thigh-slapping and shouting that no one can ever win a war against Afghanistan, that even Russia and the US had given up…bla bla.. and now they are talking about kicking Afghans back? LOL, the irony:D
 
Wow, going back to those old threads from when the US withdrew troops from Afghanistan, some Pakistan supporters were celebrating like it was a grand victory, thigh-slapping and shouting that no one can ever win a war against Afghanistan, that even Russia and the US had given up…bla bla.. and now they are talking about kicking Afghans back? LOL, the irony:D
Now Indians are celebrating their alliance with them, good luck.
 
Wow, going back to those old threads from when the US withdrew troops from Afghanistan, some Pakistan supporters were celebrating like it was a grand victory, thigh-slapping and shouting that no one can ever win a war against Afghanistan, that even Russia and the US had given up…bla bla.. and now they are talking about kicking Afghans back? LOL, the irony:D
I have asked the same question and got my answer as to what Taliban are doing what they are doing and reasons for the "U-Turn", but it is also discussed publicly here:


And here from an Islamic perspective:

 
Wow, going back to those old threads from when the US withdrew troops from Afghanistan, some Pakistan supporters were celebrating like it was a grand victory, thigh-slapping and shouting that no one can ever win a war against Afghanistan, that even Russia and the US had given up…bla bla.. and now they are talking about kicking Afghans back? LOL, the irony:D
Imran Khan was removed from office without the consent of the majority. When a new party with different policies comes into power, it often leads to significant changes or disruptions in existing policies. Hope that clears things up for you bindians.
 
First, India’s three-day Operation Sindoor shattered Pakistan’s illusion of invincibility, exposing gaping holes in its air defenses as Indian bombs struck deep inside major airbases.

Now, Pakistan’s self-styled field marshal — after unleashing airstrikes on Kabul and other Afghan targets — finds himself reeling from the Taliban’s swift and audacious reprisals.

By misjudging the battle-hardened force that drove out the U.S. military, the field marshal risks not just military embarrassment but a humiliating loss of face at home

:kp
 
First, India’s three-day Operation Sindoor shattered Pakistan’s illusion of invincibility, exposing gaping holes in its air defenses as Indian bombs struck deep inside major airbases.

Now, Pakistan’s self-styled field marshal — after unleashing airstrikes on Kabul and other Afghan targets — finds himself reeling from the Taliban’s swift and audacious reprisals.

By misjudging the battle-hardened force that drove out the U.S. military, the field marshal risks not just military embarrassment but a humiliating loss of face at home

:kp
At least soviets and us fought in Afghanistan and if they wanted to destroy AFG they would have
...now TTP to Munir ko ghar me ghus ke marega...
 
this thread is not about the India–Pakistan war. We already have a separate thread for that so please bump that one if you wish to discuss it but no more off topic conversations here please.
 
Firstly, I understand that your question is not intended for you to learn anything but based on spite and venom and nothing I will say will convince you so the response is for others.

I wouldn't have attacked Afghanistan but Pakistan Army did but your question is what did Pakistan achieve? In order to answer your question, I would combine the ideological refutation of Taliban, aerial attack and then the skirmish at the border and we see this:
  • A deterrence is established.
  • Asmat ullah Karar which is the largest military training facility in Afghanistan (used by IEA, Al-Qaeda and TTP) is no more
  • Pakistan hit them hard and IEA are clearly reeling and how do I know this? Because 15 Personnel have been reassigned by Hibatullah Akhundzada and buried deep in this are two announcements which I will highlight
In the military structure, Abdul Qayum Rohani, previously Taliban governor of Khost, was reassigned as commander of the Taliban’s 203 Mansoori Army Corps, while Mohammad Ismail Rasekh, who formerly held that command, was appointed Taliban police chief in Jawzjan. Abdul Sattar Saber, who served as Taliban police chief in Jawzjan, has now taken over as chief of staff of the Taliban’s central 313 Corps.

The underlined groups are the most advanced, well-equipped crack units of Taliban and the command of both of them has been removed!

@ElRaja and @IronShield are experts in the defense domain and they can tell you more but even a pleb like me can see what has happened here...You don't change specific commanders of your crack units if there was no damage inflicted by Pakistan Army.
the main aim of the operation was to show afg that pakistan is willing to attack their territory, so they evaluate what the cost of supporting india, via allowing operation of indian proxies, would be. pakistan expects india to attack as part of sindoor 2.0 sometime around the turn of the year, and whether afg crack down or not on the indian proxies operating from their territory they now know that pak will retailiate.
 
the main aim of the operation was to show afg that pakistan is willing to attack their territory, so they evaluate what the cost of supporting india, via allowing operation of indian proxies, would be. pakistan expects india to attack as part of sindoor 2.0 sometime around the turn of the year, and whether afg crack down or not on the indian proxies operating from their territory they now know that pak will retailiate.
Who are the Indian proxies? Are you saying TTP is Indian proxy..lmao
 
If you think Taliban will keep quiet after Pak attacked them, then you are mistaken. Taliban will keep attacking Pak regularly and Pak has to retaliate. It will be an ongoing clash with each side taking turns.
No country will take it lightly if attacks are coming from across the border.

Once you deplete their arms and infrastructure, who exactly is supplying them and from which route? Taliban sending men to front line, is like lambs to slaughter.

Pakistan is deploying the same tactics as Israel did with Hizbullah. Decapitation and decimation of their infrastructure. There is no need for ground invasion, Pakistan does not see itself or wanting to take over Afghanistan. There will be limited incursions to push the front line further and further back in order to create a buffer zone in Afghan territory where no afghan military presence will be allowed much like Israel has in southern Lebanon.

However, there are too many afghans roaming around in the cities and towns of pakistan, which is a national security threat. Anyone with illegal documents or not meant to be here will be sent back.

This is all ofcourse assuming that this is a real skirmish and not 4D chess being played by Pakistan military and the Taliban.
 
the main aim of the operation was to show afg that pakistan is willing to attack their territory, so they evaluate what the cost of supporting india, via allowing operation of indian proxies, would be. pakistan expects india to attack as part of sindoor 2.0 sometime around the turn of the year, and whether afg crack down or not on the indian proxies operating from their territory they now know that pak will retailiate.
Once you deplete their arms and infrastructure, who exactly is supplying them and from which route? Taliban sending men to front line, is like lambs to slaughter.

Pakistan is deploying the same tactics as Israel did with Hizbullah. Decapitation and decimation of their infrastructure. There is no need for ground invasion, Pakistan does not see itself or wanting to take over Afghanistan. There will be limited incursions to push the front line further and further back in order to create a buffer zone in Afghan territory where no afghan military presence will be allowed much like Israel has in southern Lebanon.

However, there are too many afghans roaming around in the cities and towns of pakistan, which is a national security threat. Anyone with illegal documents or not meant to be here will be sent back.

This is all ofcourse assuming that this is a real skirmish and not 4D chess being played by Pakistan military and the Taliban.
Knowing a little about Afghan people, I believe that Pakistan must take over physical Territory otherwise killing people and destroying Infrastructure will not deter Taliban, in fact it will anger and align the Afghan people (who currently do not back Taliban) behind the Taliban.

Territorial cost must be imposed if that is the way Pakistan wants to go and are left with no choice.

I do not believe that Pakistan should be looking at a military solution with Afghanistan at all totally against it and won't work..
 
So TTP was your ally and so was Taliban ..all radical islamist who are absolutely anti Hindu and without any other evidence you claim India is backing TTP...you armed these guys...encouraged jehadi idealogy and directed them to Afghanistan and India as the peaceful prosperous and liberal way of life was an anethma to these TTP guys...now when they can't kill on these foreign lands .they want a piece of Paksitan land...you pay for what you sow...there is no India sponsoring these group.


This sort of lie won't be allowed to unchallenged. If The idea that Pakistan exported Jihadi culture to Afghanistan can be laid bare by just posting some images of life in Pakistan vs life in Afghanistan. Which of the two do you think will show the most jihadi culture?

I posted the same question to our Afghan resident @thelandofthebravepeople and he promptly disappeared. Do you want to examine this topic deeper?
 
Knowing a little about Afghan people, I believe that Pakistan must take over physical Territory otherwise killing people and destroying Infrastructure will not deter Taliban, in fact it will anger and align the Afghan people (who currently do not back Taliban) behind the Taliban.

Territorial cost must be imposed if that is the way Pakistan wants to go and are left with no choice.

I do not believe that Pakistan should be looking at a military solution with Afghanistan at all totally against it and won't work..
Let status quo be then? TTP ideology is to fundamentally bring about the same change as in Afghanistan. That is their underlying aim, so let's be clear about that.

That cannot stand, and just kicking the can down the road is not really a solution, they have been doing that for the past 15 years or so.

There is no point in holding territory, it's a waste of resources. Buffer zone on the afghan side is the way to go. There must not be any afghan military presence whatsoever in the buffer zone.
 
Who are the Indian proxies? Are you saying TTP is Indian proxy..lmao

There is a desperation to flip around India's accusation of pak terror proxies. Throw enough mud at the wall and hope it sticks.

Apparently TTP and BLA are fully funded by India and is common knowledge in the Pak ecosystem. 😄
 
TTP, BLA, a few other fringe organisations and im guessing a considerable number of independent agents in the afghan taliban.

Don't forget the Samosa Sabotage Syndicate (SSS) and the Tandoori Takedown Taskforce (TTT), both are notorious indian proxies that sow chaos in Pakistan. I am surprised you haven't heard of these two.
 
There is a desperation to flip around India's accusation of pak terror proxies. Throw enough mud at the wall and hope it sticks.

Apparently TTP and BLA are fully funded by India and is common knowledge in the Pak ecosystem. 😄

So what are you saying exactly? That India's claims of Pakistan sponsored terrorism are true, and Pakistan's claims of Indian sponsored terrorism in Afghanistan/Balochistan must be false?
 
There is a desperation to flip around India's accusation of pak terror proxies. Throw enough mud at the wall and hope it sticks.

Apparently TTP and BLA are fully funded by India and is common knowledge in the Pak ecosystem. 😄
From what I have seen, Bradfordiyas usually lack any political depth or sense, same ol Endia-Moody rhetoric that they pick up from a local gathering, so no point.

A little bit of self-introspection would make them question is how come there is no Indian origin terrorist in TTP or BLA, or the fact that India cannot supply weapons in this region directly due to blockage of trade routes. It’s not like infiltration from kashmir or Punjab borders. Only thing India can possibly provide is maybe finances. The hatred and the will to pull the trigger is coming internally from these folks which is a point no one addresses.

Afghanistan civilian government hated Pakistan, Taliban is not a fan of Pak establishment, you can see the rage of the average Afghani during Pak-Afg games, yet we hear the same stale argument with the same old 1-2 crutch words.
 
Seems like when Indian posters can't get specific about political machinations behind current events, they lapse into taking digs at British Pakistanis. Probably frustration at being patiently asked to provide some reasoning and failing to come up with anything meaningful. Hence the descent into silly rage filled responses.
 
So what are you saying exactly? That India's claims of Pakistan sponsored terrorism are true, and Pakistan's claims of Indian sponsored terrorism in Afghanistan/Balochistan must be false?

Correct.

I would say Pakistan claims are unsupported and a desperate attempt at seeking parity with India's constant accusations of Pak terror proxies in Kashmir. It is also helps absolve them of any responsibility .. that there are indigenous radicalised elements in their own country that hate the establishment and that their proud creation, the Taliban, has done a complete 180 and turned on them. The dog has turned on its master. A spectacular backfire.

Regarding Indian claims, there is plenty of history to back it up. Pak is a country that's waged 3 wars on India just for Kashmir. The idea that they would launch terror groups, a less costly endeavour, across the border to sow chaos in Kashmir is very believable. Ajmal Kasab of Pakistan ring a bell ? Add to that .. Musharraf, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif have all admitted to using proxies. So that's three main leaders of different political factions in Pak that's owned up.
 
So what are you saying exactly? That India's claims of Pakistan sponsored terrorism are true, and Pakistan's claims of Indian sponsored terrorism in Afghanistan/Balochistan must be false?
I can't absolve India of all blame for supporting groups in Balochistan and your frontier areas with Afghanistan but surely even you must realise it's absurd to believe that everything there is driven by India like the Pakistan army claims.

India's spy agencies have to be incredibly masterful to achieve so much chaos
- No direct land border to allow shipment of weapons/aid etc.
- There's a natural mistrust...I'd go so far to call it hate for India and Hindus among these groups
- Indian spies would stand out like sore thumbs in these remote tribal areas filled with religious fanatics
- India's unwilling to come out and publicly support these groups so they can't rely on political support either

I would say India can at best fund through some roundabout method and help arms shipments if really needed.

I don't believe the "foreign hand" story behind all of India's insurgent movements but the situation is quite clearly different in places like Kashmir
- Direct land border
- Natural trust and affinity. There are some Kashmiris who would rather be part of an Islamic state like Pakistan
- Pakistani spies could blend in pretty easily - language and appearance-wise
- Pakistan provides open, public and political support for these groups
 
Once you deplete their arms and infrastructure, who exactly is supplying them and from which route? Taliban sending men to front line, is like lambs to slaughter.

Pakistan is deploying the same tactics as Israel did with Hizbullah. Decapitation and decimation of their infrastructure. There is no need for ground invasion, Pakistan does not see itself or wanting to take over Afghanistan. There will be limited incursions to push the front line further and further back in order to create a buffer zone in Afghan territory where no afghan military presence will be allowed much like Israel has in southern Lebanon.

However, there are too many afghans roaming around in the cities and towns of pakistan, which is a national security threat. Anyone with illegal documents or not meant to be here will be sent back.

This is all ofcourse assuming that this is a real skirmish and not 4D chess being played by Pakistan military and the Taliban.
Please do not compare a professional army that wins every war with a loser militia force that lost all wars and is looting the country as dictators..Pakistan neither has money like Israel diplomatic clout like Israel or technology or professionalism to fight a two year war against multiple terrorist groups and their proxy....as is Paksitan army's capability..they are more interested in photo ops and narrative building than actual military victories
 
This sort of lie won't be allowed to unchallenged. If The idea that Pakistan exported Jihadi culture to Afghanistan can be laid bare by just posting some images of life in Pakistan vs life in Afghanistan. Which of the two do you think will show the most jihadi culture?

I posted the same question to our Afghan resident @thelandofthebravepeople and he promptly disappeared. Do you want to examine this topic deeper?
Your minister is on record saying that you all did the dirty work or fighting soviets...you were funded and in turn funded the mujhauddins against Russia and then your grand plan was to turn them against Kashmir ..instead these mujhauddins want a piece of their own Pashtun land across Durand line...so yes you built up the. Jihadis culture ...Musharraf Sharif khwaja Imran khan bhutto all admitted to it...
 
TTP, BLA, a few other fringe organisations and im guessing a considerable number of independent agents in the afghan taliban.
Ok let's take TTP and bla as the two more famous orgs as I have no idea or clue what the others are.

I will ask a series of questions . You don't have to answer them but you can think about these and see if your country's military controlled media is trying to pull a fast one on you just like they did after getting pummeled by India in Sindoor.

Which Indian leader is on record claiming Baloch and Khyber pakhtunwala

Which country spy agency founded and funded Taliban..

Who houses terrorists of Islamic kind- hinduvta radical modi or someone else?


How is India transferring arms and men to these places?


How many Indian terrorists have you killed or arrested.

How is Pakistani army so inept to catch Indian infiltrators.

Which ttp and bla leaders are housed in India and giving speeches - like dawood hafeez masood etc


How is Hinduvta radicals allies with Islamic radicals - that's the googly I can't decide. You have to choose either Modi is Hinduvta terrorists or he is siding with Talibans who wants to kill Hindus more than anything.

Please show me some proof- interested communication, arrested terrorists , etc. that shows Indians involvement and then get India banned as FATF..

The whole world knows Paksitan is a terrorist country...and now they are facing the cost of housing these terrorists...why is the perception of India not the same.
 
Your minister is on record saying that you all did the dirty work or fighting soviets...you were funded and in turn funded the mujhauddins against Russia and then your grand plan was to turn them against Kashmir ..instead these mujhauddins want a piece of their own Pashtun land across Durand line...so yes you built up the. Jihadis culture ...Musharraf Sharif khwaja Imran khan bhutto all admitted to it...

Y'all believed in the evidence of Pakistani chocolate.

Please sit down.
 
I can't absolve India of all blame for supporting groups in Balochistan and your frontier areas with Afghanistan but surely even you must realise it's absurd to believe that everything there is driven by India like the Pakistan army claims.

India's spy agencies have to be incredibly masterful to achieve so much chaos
- No direct land border to allow shipment of weapons/aid etc.
Using American left over.
- There's a natural mistrust...I'd go so far to call it hate for India and Hindus among these groups
Not getting married.
- Indian spies would stand out like sore thumbs in these remote tribal areas filled with religious fanatics
Embassy is not build yet. Even American spies stand out like sore thumbs in most of the global south countries.
- India's unwilling to come out and publicly support these groups so they can't rely on political support either
Why would Indian need to verbalize it?
I would say India can at best fund through some roundabout method and help arms shipments if really needed.
They can.
I don't believe the "foreign hand" story behind all of India's insurgent movements but the situation is quite clearly different in places like Kashmir
- Direct land border
- Natural trust and affinity. There are some Kashmiris who would rather be part of an Islamic state like Pakistan
- Pakistani spies could blend in pretty easily - language and appearance-wise
- Pakistan provides open, public and political support for these groups
 
Correct.

I would say Pakistan claims are unsupported and a desperate attempt at seeking parity with India's constant accusations of Pak terror proxies in Kashmir. It is also helps absolve them of any responsibility .. that there are indigenous radicalised elements in their own country that hate the establishment and that their proud creation, the Taliban, has done a complete 180 and turned on them. The dog has turned on its master. A spectacular backfire.

Regarding Indian claims, there is plenty of history to back it up. Pak is a country that's waged 3 wars on India just for Kashmir. The idea that they would launch terror groups, a less costly endeavour, across the border to sow chaos in Kashmir is very believable. Ajmal Kasab of Pakistan ring a bell ? Add to that .. Musharraf, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif have all admitted to using proxies. So that's three main leaders of different political factions in Pak that's owned up.

Pakistan has indigenous radicalised elements, it would be pointless pretending otherwise. So does India for that matter, but that is beside the point. Taliban was not created by Pakistan and shipped across to Afghanistan, this is just a lie propagated to avoid taking responsibility in Afghanistan. The truth is there have always been hardcore elements on both sides of the border, Taliban are just one element, there are various other groups in Afghanistan which have been at war with each other for decades. Do you seriously think Afghans would allow foreigners to come in and govern their lands from Pakistan? How do you explain that? :unsure:
 
Your minister is on record saying that you all did the dirty work or fighting soviets...you were funded and in turn funded the mujhauddins against Russia and then your grand plan was to turn them against Kashmir ..instead these mujhauddins want a piece of their own Pashtun land across Durand line...so yes you built up the. Jihadis culture ...Musharraf Sharif khwaja Imran khan bhutto all admitted to it...


See above.
 
Let status quo be then? TTP ideology is to fundamentally bring about the same change as in Afghanistan. That is their underlying aim, so let's be clear about that.

That cannot stand, and just kicking the can down the road is not really a solution, they have been doing that for the past 15 years or so.

There is no point in holding territory, it's a waste of resources. Buffer zone on the afghan side is the way to go. There must not be any afghan military presence whatsoever in the buffer zone.
Bufferzone on the Afghan side is holding territory on the Afghan side, is it not? Are you suggesting joint patrols?
 
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