A sincere question to Pakistanis, What did Pakistan Army achieve by attacking Afghanistan?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I can't absolve India of all blame for supporting groups in Balochistan and your frontier areas with Afghanistan but surely even you must realise it's absurd to believe that everything there is driven by India like the Pakistan army claims.

India's spy agencies have to be incredibly masterful to achieve so much chaos
- No direct land border to allow shipment of weapons/aid etc.
- There's a natural mistrust...I'd go so far to call it hate for India and Hindus among these groups
- Indian spies would stand out like sore thumbs in these remote tribal areas filled with religious fanatics
- India's unwilling to come out and publicly support these groups so they can't rely on political support either

I would say India can at best fund through some roundabout method and help arms shipments if really needed.

I don't believe the "foreign hand" story behind all of India's insurgent movements but the situation is quite clearly different in places like Kashmir
- Direct land border
- Natural trust and affinity. There are some Kashmiris who would rather be part of an Islamic state like Pakistan
- Pakistani spies could blend in pretty easily - language and appearance-wise
- Pakistan provides open, public and political support for these groups

India was supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban before 9/11. They have interests there which are counter to Pakistan. What the interests were, or are, I have no idea. I am not saying that India is definitely funding terror groups, but since they don't share a border with Afghanistan, their activity there does look very suspicious. Same could be said of Balochistan, if I'm not mistaken, India has often hosted leaders who are agitating against the Pakistan state.

India stepped into an internal dispute during the civil war which led to the creation of Bangladesh. Since a hardline hindutva govt took power in India, they have used sport as a political and financial weapon to try to choke Pakistan. Just read some of the hate filled diatribes from Indians on social media, including sites like this and the hostility is palpable. These all paint a picture of what drives Indian policy re Pakistan.

 

[straighttalk]

Y'all believed in the evidence of Pakistani chocolate.

Please sit down.

Did I mention the chocolate ..why don't you refute what evidence I shared...your defense minister has accepted that you guys like to do dirty work for others

 

[straighttalk]

Pakistan has indigenous radicalised elements, it would be pointless pretending otherwise. So does India for that matter, but that is beside the point. Taliban was not created by Pakistan and shipped across to Afghanistan, this is just a lie propagated to avoid taking responsibility in Afghanistan. The truth is there have always been hardcore elements on both sides of the border, Taliban are just one element, there are various other groups in Afghanistan which have been at war with each other for decades. Do you seriously think Afghans would allow foreigners to come in and govern their lands from Pakistan? How do you explain that?

We have communal and hateful people in India..but there is only one religion that is built on hating kafirs...you just have to look at history to see muslims fighting against Muslims. Christians, Hindus , Sikhs, Jews ...even now too.
So our bigoted people are bigoted but they don't have the guts or the delusion to go and kill themselves to attain jannat....so radicals on both sides are not the same.

During soviet invasion is funded trained and provided asylum to mujhauddins from all over the world..some Paksitani many Afghan and many others...all these groups gave risen to alqaeeda isis Taliban and others... Do you deny that isi didn't do so to fight the Soviet's...now these same people are ruling Afghanistan and attacking you..I don't see how India is to be blamed here....you can say we are enjoying the show and building good relationship with Afghanistan but we are no way involved with TTP who definitely consider India an enemy

 

[straighttalk]

India was supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban before 9/11. They have interests there which are counter to Pakistan. What the interests were, or are, I have no idea. I am not saying that India is definitely funding terror groups, but since they don't share a border with Afghanistan, their activity there does look very suspicious. Same could be said of Balochistan, if I'm not mistaken, India has often hosted leaders who are agitating against the Pakistan state.

India stepped into an internal dispute during the civil war which led to the creation of Bangladesh. Since a hardline hindutva govt took power in India, they have used sport as a political and financial weapon to try to choke Pakistan. Just read some of the hate filled diatribes from Indians on social media, including sites like this and the hostility is palpable. These all paint a picture of what drives Indian policy re Pakistan.

These points in this post are valid ..yes we supported northern alliance but that was public knowledge...our interests are pro Afghanistan and counter to Paksitan which is pro Pakistan and anti Afghan. This is why Afghan people are anti pakistan.
We are pro Baloch. No one is denying that.
But that is much different from saying we are sponsoring the terrorism.

There is lot of evidence that Pakistan sponsored terrorism in kahsmir. Pakistan is extremely vocal in supporting Palestine and being anti Israel. But are you blamed for the terrorism there. You are not. It is the same here

 

[RexRex]

Do you seriously think Afghans would allow foreigners to come in and govern their lands from Pakistan? How do you explain that?

Taliban are not foreign to the Afghan people. Indigenous mujahideens (trained by Pak, funded by USA) were suddenly jobless after the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989 and had no one else to fight. Some of them were sent over to Kashmir while many were carefully nurtured by Pakistan to create what is known today as the Taliban.

Not all the Soviet-era mujahideens joined the Taliban of course .. many opposed them. These opposition people went on to form the Hamid Karzai govt after 9/11.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We have communal and hateful people in India..but there is only one religion that is built on hating kafirs...you just have to look at history to see muslims fighting against Muslims. Christians, Hindus , Sikhs, Jews ...even now too.
So our bigoted people are bigoted but they don't have the guts or the delusion to go and kill themselves to attain jannat....so radicals on both sides are not the same.

During soviet invasion is funded trained and provided asylum to mujhauddins from all over the world..some Paksitani many Afghan and many others...all these groups gave risen to alqaeeda isis Taliban and others... Do you deny that isi didn't do so to fight the Soviet's...now these same people are ruling Afghanistan and attacking you..I don't see how India is to be blamed here....you can say we are enjoying the show and building good relationship with Afghanistan but we are no way involved with TTP who definitely consider India an enemy

The most Jihadi groups in the subcontinent are Afghans.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Taliban are not foreign to the Afghan people. Indigenous mujahideens (trained by Pak, funded by USA) were suddenly jobless after the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989 and had no one else to fight. Some of them were sent over to Kashmir while many were carefully nurtured by Pakistan to create what is known today as the Taliban.

Not all the Soviet-era mujahideens joined the Taliban of course .. many opposed them. These opposition people went on to form the Hamid Karzai govt after 9/11.

So you agree with me, the Taliban are homegrown Afghans. Cool.

 

[RexRex]

So you agree with me, the Taliban are homegrown Afghans. Cool.

Where did I say otherwise ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Where did I say otherwise ?

When you claimed that the Taliban was Pakistan's "proud creation".

 

[RexRex]

When you claimed that the Taliban was Pakistan's "proud creation".

Pakistan funded, trained and structured these Afghan homegrown fundamentalists into an organised force that took control of Afghanistan.. so yes, it is their proud creation.

 

[ElRaja]

Ok let's take TTP and bla as the two more famous orgs as I have no idea or clue what the others are.

I will ask a series of questions . You don't have to answer them but you can think about these and see if your country's military controlled media is trying to pull a fast one on you just like they did after getting pummeled by India in Sindoor.

Which Indian leader is on record claiming Baloch and Khyber pakhtunwala

Which country spy agency founded and funded Taliban..

Who houses terrorists of Islamic kind- hinduvta radical modi or someone else?


How is India transferring arms and men to these places?


How many Indian terrorists have you killed or arrested.

How is Pakistani army so inept to catch Indian infiltrators.

Which ttp and bla leaders are housed in India and giving speeches - like dawood hafeez masood etc


How is Hinduvta radicals allies with Islamic radicals - that's the googly I can't decide. You have to choose either Modi is Hinduvta terrorists or he is siding with Talibans who wants to kill Hindus more than anything.

Please show me some proof- interested communication, arrested terrorists , etc. that shows Indians involvement and then get India banned as FATF..

The whole world knows Paksitan is a terrorist country...and now they are facing the cost of housing these terrorists...why is the perception of India not the same.

you only need to fund proxy forces, the weapons americans left behind, and the radicalisation has been going on for ages. we can play dumb about it, but im not gonna explain the various ways in which proxies can be supported, support, which by its nature is meant to be clandestine and obfuscated.

 

[HalBass9]

Did I mention the chocolate ..why don't you refute what evidence I shared...your defense minister has accepted that you guys like to do dirty work for others

Every country does it.

Guess what, India does it, too.

 

[straighttalk]

The most Jihadi groups in the subcontinent are Afghans.

Afghans or Talibans...Afghanistan was quite liberal before the Taliban came into power and who supported them....

 

[straighttalk]

Every country does it.

Guess what, India does it, too.

Evidence ? Please tell me either of these

Evidence of Hindu terrorists going into Paksitan and killing people.

Evidence of India backing Indias sworn enemy Islamic terrorist groups to forment trouble in Pakistan.

On one hand you call modi Hinduvta terrorists..I agree he is Hindu nationalist but not a terrorist yet on the other hand you say he is hand in glove with Islamic terrorists..how does that work

 

[straighttalk]

you only need to fund proxy forces, the weapons americans left behind, and the radicalisation has been going on for ages. we can play dumb about it, but im not gonna explain the various ways in which proxies can be supported, support, which by its nature is meant to be clandestine and obfuscated.

Americans left the weapons in 2021...but TTP an Baloch has been killing people before that...radicalization is your homegrown problem...

As for funding...use FATF
.or show proof..I see accusations but no proof. At least with India we have audio recordings arrested criminals...satellite images and known terrorist leaders roaming around in Paksitan...what evidence do you have.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Evidence ? Please tell me either of these

Evidence of Hindu terrorists going into Paksitan and killing people.

Evidence of India backing Indias sworn enemy Islamic terrorist groups to forment trouble in Pakistan.

On one hand you call modi Hinduvta terrorists..I agree he is Hindu nationalist but not a terrorist yet on the other hand you say he is hand in glove with Islamic terrorists..how does that work

I have seen several posts on this board from some great posters saying that Hubdutva terror is the greatest threat to the world.

You will not see a Hindu man shouting Jai Shriram in the west and taking out some folks. But the usual suspects want everyone to believe that it is real and equate Hindu Terror with Islamist Terror. The delusion is quite something to behold.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan funded, trained and structured these Afghan homegrown fundamentalists into an organised force that took control of Afghanistan.. so yes, it is their proud creation.

So you are saying that Pakistan basically imposed their ideology on the supposedly invincible and proud Afghan people and still rule over all other alternatives today? Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

Afghans or Talibans...Afghanistan was quite liberal before the Taliban came into power and who supported them....