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We keep hearing that we aren't producing pace-bowling all-rounders but this guy's just taken 5 wickets and then smashed 56 off 37 balls.

Surely that can't be a fluke?

Is he worth a chance at international level?
 
yes worth a chance.

Like Imad and Shadab he is a proper batsman aswell and good with the new ball.

dont know where to fit him in batting order :(
 
Can be a very good player at 6. Ideally my XI would be:

Fakhar
Hafeez
Babar
Sarfraz
Malik
Yamin
Shadab
Imad
 
Shouldn't have been dropped in the first place.

He doesn't possess much threat beyond the new ball, more of a 6th bowler. Batting is his strength.
 
Saj said:
We keep hearing that we aren't producing pace-bowling all-rounders but this guy's just taken 5 wickets and then smashed 56 off 37 balls.

Surely that can't be a fluke?

Is he worth a chance at international level?
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Sir this man surely deserves a chance without any doubt...... but just wanna ask u one question. pcb selected fahim ashraf for the windies series, I firmly believe dat yamin should hav been selected rather as he is way better than fahim, I have no disrespect for fahim, he surely will grow as time passes..... if yamin is selected in future or perhaps for CT17 Fahim is likely or surely gonna miss out which is not fair as fahim didnt even got a single chance forget abt chances. ... yamin would be a great addition to the pak team for the CT17 but what about Fahim, he will surely be then seen after 4-5 years something similar to what happened with usman salahuddin. Yamin's addition is must at the moment but wat abt likely omission of Fahim without being given any chance..... and there is no doubt that fahim will miss out if yamin comes in as selectors are not bold enough to drop ttf pacers...
 
Uman Naq said:
Sir this man surely deserves a chance without any doubt...... but just wanna ask u one question. pcb selected fahim ashraf for the windies series, I firmly believe dat yamin should hav been selected rather as he is way better than fahim, I have no disrespect for fahim, he surely will grow as time passes..... if yamin is selected in future or perhaps for CT17 Fahim is likely or surely gonna miss out which is not fair as fahim didnt even got a single chance forget abt chances. ... yamin would be a great addition to the pak team for the CT17 but what about Fahim, he will surely be then seen after 4-5 years something similar to what happened with usman salahuddin. Yamin's addition is must at the moment but wat abt likely omission of Fahim without being given any chance..... and there is no doubt that fahim will miss out if yamin comes in as selectors are not bold enough to drop ttf pacers...
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Fahim scored a first ball duck and went wicketless for 60, Yamin got 5 wickets, albeit expensive, and scored 56*. Day and night difference there.

Obviously it's a bit harsh to call off one match but if they had never made this blunder in the first place, this wouldn't have happened.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Yes, but not at 6-7. He's too good a batsman to bat down the order. I'd open with him.
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Your logic:

I'd open with Umar Akmal, Amir Yamin, Saad Ali, Umar Amin, Kamran Akmal, Mukhtar.

Yes yes, play all of them as openers.
 
Fakhar
Talat/amin
Babar
Sarfraz
Malik
Yamin
Shadab
Imad
sohail
Amir
Hasan
Perfect xi here imo. Would also have agha salman in squad as back up of yamin.
Time to get rid of ttfs akmal, Shehzad and hafeez.
 
aloo paratha said:
Fahim scored a first ball duck and went wicketless for 60, Yamin got 5 wickets, albeit expensive, and scored 56*. Day and night difference there.

Obviously it's a bit harsh to call off one match but if they had never made this blunder in the first place, this wouldn't have happened.
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I never said fahim is better than yamin ..... and rightly because yamin has played more cricket than fahim and has been in contention from last 2 odd years but wat abt fahim, he was selected and now wat I may say
would be thrown out widout being given any chance.....
ur one game point is also true but we know yamin is better than fahim right now both due to performance and experience.
 
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Of course he is needed!

We've been crying out for someone like him for years...we seem to have plenty of spinners who can bat but no seaming all rounders.

We're in urgent need of someone like him or Hammad Azam to tee off...but none have been given a proper chance.

He would be ideal as a 3rd seamer plus the 3 spinners that we regularly employ in limited overs.

Imagine no 6 onwards...

Yamin
Imad
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Junaid/Wahab
 
Yes. Should've never been dropped in the first place. Very good batsman and can bowl a few overs.
 
Kamran/Any other opener/Sharjeel (To be locked by Sharjeel only If he comes out clean)
Sarfraz
Babar
Haris Sohail /Malik/ Hafeez (Only one of them should play).
Hammad
Hussain Talat
Amir Yamin
Shadab
Sohail
Hasan
Junaid / Amir

I genuinely feel that Haris Sohail, Babar, Hammad, Hussain Talat and Amir Yamin can collectively bowl 10-15 overs for us in each game.
 
The thing is Yamin picked up 3 top order wickets and then got smashed around in the middle/end overs. If he plays in the international side he will most likely be bowling his quota in the middle of the innings or if need be in the death overs. He will not be opening the bowling with his diddly dobbly medium pacers.


His batting is good though.
 
Too much like Anwar Ali.

We need a world class bowler to be able to bat to be geniune AR.

Amir can do it. If he can make himself a 28 avg batter then he can be.
 
Saj said:
We keep hearing that we aren't producing pace-bowling all-rounders but this guy's just taken 5 wickets and then smashed 56 off 37 balls.

Surely that can't be a fluke?

Is he worth a chance at international level?
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Saj I did not expect that you will ask this as a question. It is a given that Aamer Yamin deserves a chance
 
Hawkeye said:
Your logic:

I'd open with Umar Akmal, Amir Yamin, Saad Ali, Umar Amin, Kamran Akmal, Mukhtar.

Yes yes, play all of them as openers.
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Umar's the only one I've suggested on that list.

Squad has 15 players not 11, it's common sense that if I'm suggesting more than two then the better two will play and the other(s) benched.
 
srh said:
Saj I did not expect that you will ask this as a question. It is a given that Aamer Yamin deserves a chance
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I've mentioned him quite a bit for a while now and feel that he's making steady progress.

However the question is, do people feel he is ready to become a regular pick and does he deserve a proper chance?
 
Saj said:
We keep hearing that we aren't producing pace-bowling all-rounders but this guy's just taken 5 wickets and then smashed 56 off 37 balls.

Surely that can't be a fluke?

Is he worth a chance at international level?
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the guy done decent against zim and was never seen again. nobody knows y!!
 
Without the new ball he is useless and he becomes even more useless, if the ball doesn't swing.

As for batting, definitely good.

The dilemma for Pak would be, do you give the ball to Yamin and hope he picks up wkts?

Or do you go with proper bowlers like Amir, Sohail, Hassan, Junaid etc?
 
Syed1 said:
The thing is Yamin picked up 3 top order wickets and then got smashed around in the middle/end overs. If he plays in the international side he will most likely be bowling his quota in the middle of the innings or if need be in the death overs. He will not be opening the bowling with his diddly dobbly medium pacers.


His batting is good though.
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He could easily open the bowling for Pakistan as well, who else is capable of swinging the new ball around?
 
Uman Naq said:
Sir this man surely deserves a chance without any doubt...... but just wanna ask u one question. pcb selected fahim ashraf for the windies series,
I firmly believe dat yamin should hav been selected rather as he is way better than fahim,
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I have no disrespect for fahim, he surely will grow as time passes..... if yamin is selected in future or perhaps for CT17 Fahim is likely or surely gonna miss out which is not fair as fahim didnt even got a single chance forget abt chances. ... yamin would be a great addition to the pak team for the CT17 but what about Fahim, he will surely be then seen after 4-5 years something similar to what happened with usman salahuddin. Yamin's addition is must at the moment but wat abt likely omission of Fahim without being given any chance..... and there is no doubt that fahim will miss out if yamin comes in as selectors are not bold enough to drop ttf pacers...
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U have already said that... Ok i will put it this way, dont u think selecting fahim ahead of yamin as an injustice or an act of nepotism...both of them playing in the same tournament, today played against each other in fact fahim is not bowling to butt, kakmal, amin, UA, Hammad azam (a line up of batsmen that has already have had int'l experience).. should have outperformed Yamin easily to justify his selection and to show he is better than Yamin.. If Yamin is better just select him, Fahim will get his chance when its due..
 
he did well in only t20 against eng but mr afrdi send anwar ali ahead of him in batting and he choked and amir was better than anwar ali in all aspects.
 
Barragan said:
Without the new ball he is useless and he becomes even more useless, if the ball doesn't swing.

As for batting, definitely good.

The dilemma for Pak would be, do you give the ball to Yamin and hope he picks up wkts?

Or do you go with proper bowlers like Amir, Sohail, Hassan, Junaid etc?
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swing comes naturally, doesnt get much help from the pitch as it does for seam....Starc, Amir, Boult swings everywhere...
 
ask_analyse_act said:
swing comes naturally, doesnt get much help from the pitch as it does for seam....Starc, Amir, Boult swings everywhere...
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No, swing requires certain conditions.

Why did Amir and Sohail swing the ball so much in the 1st KK game, but nothing afterwards?

Why didn't Yamin generate swing in the PSL?
 
Uman Naq said:
I never said fahim is better than yamin ..... and rightly because yamin has played more cricket than fahim and has been in contention from last 2 odd years but wat abt fahim, he was selected and now wat I may say
would be thrown out widout being given any chance.....
ur one game point is also true but we know yamin is better than fahim right now both due to performance and experience.
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nevermind, if he is good enough he must have got his chance.. they also took shadab as a debutant, didnt he play all the matches.. They are representing the nation , it is not gully cricket that he was selected in the squad so shouldn't be discarded, no place for feeling sorry..
 
Barragan said:
No, swing requires certain conditions.

Why did Amir and Sohail swing the ball so much in the 1st KK game, but nothing afterwards?

Why didn't Yamin generate swing in the PSL?
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certain conditions will help to generate more swing, but the skill is not reliant on pitch and can swing anywhere ... And sohail khan gets more seam movement, not a swing bowler primarily...
 
I would certainly agree, he should play in the top 7 if he is to be picked though, no point in shoving him down to number 8 he is a good batsman not a great bowler but can be a handy option.

Although, we all know how likely it is that he'll get picked for the CT.
 
A good start for the idiotic selectors and Pakistani domestic coaches to realize that he's a batsman who can bowl, not the other way around.
 
Uman Naq said:
man u r wrong here played the t20 series against eng after that zim series
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no my dear. he played 3 odis against zim.
first game
1 not out and 6 overs 0-22

2nd game 62 (top innings incrisis with malik) and 5 overs 38-1
3rd game 6 overs0-29 and did not bat

we never saw him in odi again and thay is crimional after that innings

we did see him in 1 t20 against england where he didnt bat and he bowled 2 overs 12-1. and that was it!!!
that was t20
y
 
ask_analyse_act said:
certain conditions will help to generate more swing, but the skill is not reliant on pitch and can swing anywhere ... And sohail khan gets more seam movement, not a swing bowler primarily...
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So, where was Yamin's swing in the PSL?

Also, Sohail gets a lot of swing and he showcased in the Eng series.
 
Definitely worth a try but the question is where do you play him, he's someone who can bowl you 4,5 overs up front he's not a 10 over bowler.
I feel he should play as 4th seamer and utilize his batting.
 
maybe...maybe....his bowling is very weak but his batting is OK. I don't think he is an automatic selection but there could be hope if someone else under performs.
 
He is a good batsman who can bowl well upfront, definitely worth a try and is surely better than any other pace bowling all rounder.
 
Next 2 ICC events are in UK, so definitely. He actually can swing the new ball, as 4th seemer, if he is used with new ball only, he can be a very useful all-rounder as he can bat at 7. BUT, it has to be at exchange of Imad or MoHa, not Shadab.
 
Saj said:
We keep hearing that we aren't producing pace-bowling all-rounders but this guy's just taken 5 wickets and then smashed 56 off 37 balls.

Surely that can't be a fluke?

Is he worth a chance at international level?
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Yes he is worth a chance as does Hammad Azam who has paid his dues and toiled for a long time but we continue to give him the cold shoulder
 
Should replace Tanvir & Junaid in T20Is & ODIs respectively.
 
Watched him against Zimbabwe when he scored the 60 odd. Definitely think he is a decent player and should be an option in the squad. Not sure if his bowling is good enough for a front line international bowler but he has batting potential.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
U have already said that... Ok i will put it this way, dont u think selecting fahim ahead of yamin as an injustice or an act of nepotism...both of them playing in the same tournament, today played against each other in fact fahim is not bowling to butt, kakmal, amin, UA, Hammad azam (a line up of batsmen that has already have had int'l experience).. should have outperformed Yamin easily to justify his selection and to show he is better than Yamin.. If Yamin is better just select him, Fahim will get his chance when its due..
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u just aren't understanding my point.
 
aloo paratha said:
Death is worse than middle overs, he will get slaughtered.
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wickets matter not runs 8-9 runs doesnt matter... he will likely get 2-3 wickets that's imp at the death..... everybody gets slaughtered at the end...... but man things are gonna change after October, these batsman are gonna become helpless
 
Abdullah said:
no my dear. he played 3 odis against zim.
first game
1 not out and 6 overs 0-22

2nd game 62 (top innings incrisis with malik) and 5 overs 38-1
3rd game 6 overs0-29 and did not bat

we never saw him in odi again and thay is crimional after that innings

we did see him in 1 t20 against england where he didnt bat and he bowled 2 overs 12-1. and that was it!!!
that was t20
y
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man I was just replying to ur query that he didn't play after zim series....
 
A bowler who can go for 100 200 runs .

But a decent batsman.
 
if he had any connections he would already be playing, but alas, we will see him in the green shirts when he is over the hill past his prime, and then we wont want him; for there will be another Yamin waiting in the wings hoping for a chance.

This guy hasnt failed in the limeted outings he has got so far, yet he waits...
 
People asking him to bat at 6 or 7 have no sense of cricket.

He's not a power hitter.

Need more horrendous show in LOIs ??? Kick out the likes of Malik and play him at 5. He can play pace and accelerate a bit.
 
Hawkeye said:
People asking him to bat at 6 or 7 have no sense of cricket.

He's not a power hitter.

Need more horrendous show in LOIs ??? Kick out the likes of Malik and play him at 5. He can play pace and accelerate a bit.
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Exactly but Malik and Hafeez and TTFs won't leave unless a worst CT where we even lose to Srilanka and unable to win a single match...
But if we beat one or two decent teams these TTFs will stay till 2019 WC...
Hafeez will get injured right before the SA tour next year...
 
Yesterday I watched the game specifically to see if Aamer Yameen has it in him to finish the game. I must say I was impressed considering the options we have been trying. A pleasant surprise was to notice that he had already taken 5 wickets in the first innings. I tried forming a combination which I feel will do wonders to our progress.

Sharjeel (Shehzad or Akmal if he isnt available. No other better options to think of)
Hafeez (He isn't suitable in the middle order, can at least provide a fluent start rather than hogging a middle order spot. His bowling is still good and can give us decent overs as a 6th bowler if not 5th)
Babar
Sarfaraz (the best position his game is suited to with proven success)
Malik (Ideal for his game)
Yamin (Primary role as aggressive batsman, bowling seamers is a big bonus. Can expect 4-5 decent overs)
Imad (He and Yamin should combine to not make us miss the extra specialist batsman sacrificed. Good enough for 6-10 overs depending on the conditions)
Shadab (Genuine bowler with ability to bat if needed)
Amir (His batting can still be handy. Hopefully bowling results follow)
Hasan Ali
Junaid/ Sohail Khan/ or anyone who is a good fast bowler

This team gives us 8 bowling options who can at least bowl 4 overs if needed. This will make sure that we do not have weak links in the middle and Pakistan could re adopt their game where scoring 300 against them will still remain a challenge. We just need a smart captain who can utilise his resources to maximum.

No tall claims, but this team can be a poor man's England with so much depth in batting and bowling.

Hussain Talat is another who brings that exciting factor with his bowling, hopefully hard work in the domestics and another PSL without the oldies (Misbah, Afridi, Hafeez, Kami, Ajmal, Tanvir...) will bring more potential cricketers in the spotlight.
 
A couple of overs with the new ball, 4 if its swinging. 3 more overs before the 25th over. That should be his bowling role.

Make him bat at 6 or 7 although he is good enough to bat in top 5. He is a clean striker of the ball. These days stroke players and clean hitters in the mould of raina bat at number six, not sloggers like afridi. Your bowlers like amir and hasan should be your sloggers.
 
reversehook said:
if he had any connections he would already be playing, but alas, we will see him in the green shirts when he is over the hill past his prime, and then we wont want him; for there will be another Yamin waiting in the wings hoping for a chance.

This guy hasnt failed in the limeted outings he has got so far, yet he waits...
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thats the beauty of nepotism and friends 11 of pak...
 
he is an option to be used as a fourth seamer in places like ANZ or Eng.. otherwise it is difficult for him to replace Amir,Junaid, hasan pace attack as they are doing well...
 
Should replace Hafeez and bump Malik and Sarfraz up the order to 4 and 5 with Yamin at 6.
 
He's good for 6 or 7. If he plays, we need to make sure he's not bowling at the death. Get him to bowl 6-7 overs upfront when he's nippy and effective, he should never need to finish his quota. Let Amir/Junaid/Hasan/Raees bowl at the death
 
He's perfect for number 6. Hope he replaces Hafeez

Umar Amin
Shehzad
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Yamin
Imad
Shadab

Not a bad batting line up.
 
Should never have been dropped. We seriously lack hitting options down the order, Yamin is a very solid option for that role, plus he can give us some very decent overs. Both Yamin and Shadab seriously need to be backed as our hitting allrounders.
 
He would be an asset in english conditions and can bowl 6-7 overs. He should bat 6 or 7 and tee off without fear
 
can become a good useful handy player if managed well. does have the potential to become a limited overs middle over player.

needs to be kept in the selection loop.
 
Can't imagine he was dropped. He would have developed quite well by now if he was kept around the squad.
 
Syed1 said:
Can't imagine he was dropped. He would have developed quite well by now if he was kept around the squad.
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just listen to inzi when he announces ct squad..he will say ham na ammir yamin ko is liy select nahi kya ka hamain experince chahy..hahhahha awr anwar ali k saat ye experince ha ka wo 10 over kar sakay 100 runs da kar...lolz..
 
the sad thing is that he is still being considered a bowling allrounder. Both him and Hammad are batsmen first and should be considered as such
 
Syed1 said:
Can't imagine he was dropped. He would have developed quite well by now if he was kept around the squad.
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Agreed. I have become a huge supporter of keeping players in the squad, backing them and giving them time to develop ever since I've seen Hasan Ali. He was the definition of mediocre. Bowled military medium, couldn't swing it, couldn't seam it, nothing special with the bad, wayward but now his line and length, pace is amazing. He even swings it.

Yamin definitely should've been given more time.
 
Happened to watch footage of him last night on SKY (Emirates Cup).

A nothing bowler. Puts a lot of effort in his deliveries with very little pace. Taking 5fers in Pak domestics is hardly an achievement. The batting standards are horrible.

Deserves a shot ahead of TTF's still.
 
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