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Australian cricketer Adam Voges has been quietly piling on a remarkable Test record. His average puts him not just among the greats, but above all of them except Bradman.

Adam Voges has become the second greatest Test batsman in cricket history. Well, sort of.

With his commanding innings of 174* on Day 1 of the First Test against the West Indies, the late-blooming 36-year-old Australian can boast of a Test batting average second only to the great Don Bradman.

Climbing the shoulders of giants

Voges strode to the crease at the fall of Australia’s second wicket today having scored 653 runs in 16 innings, having been dismissed 12 times and left not out on four occasions, with a surprisingly impressive average of 54.41. Of the active Test players, only Steve Smith (54.61) and Joe Root (54.90), currently joint #1 in the ICC Test cricket batting rankings, bettered him.

As he proceeded to pummel the lacklustre (and that’s an understatement) Windies attack, and presuming he does eventually get out this innings, at 61 runs the Western Australian passed both Smith’s and Root’s career averages. At 67 he went past recent great Jacques Kallis (55.37) and on 94 he topped the highest placed contemporary player on the all-time list, at 10th, the just retired Kumar Sangakkara (57.40).

Voges breezed onto his ton, his third in Tests, at a run a ball, to see the teams in to the tea break.

In the final session, at the 140 mark Voges (again, assuming he does eventually lose his wicket) surpassed South African great Graeme Pollock (60.97) who lies in second spot on the all-time Test batting averages list.

That’s right, while the cricket world debates whether Smith, Root or AB de Villiers deserves the #1 ranking, and David Warner dazzles with his multiple-century fireworks, the quiet achiever Adam Charles Voges has subtly only gone and built the second best Test batting average in cricket history!

So, why don’t you see Voges on the list?

Well, I’m glad you asked.

The reason you won’t see Voges on the all-time batting averages list (yet) is in the small print. To make the list, a player must have batted at least 20 innings. This is only his 17th visit to the Test match crease.

That said, Voges will qualify for the list after just another three innings beyond this one and the West Indies cricket team he faces are but a shadow of their once glorious selves. This current series presents him and the rest of the Aussies with a golden opportunity to inflate their averages, bowling and batting, against truly sub-par competition.

Can he make it official?

Let’s say Adam Voges does actually bat his next three innings in this series (not guaranteed against these Windies) and that he is dismissed in his current innings and those next three (a ‘not out’ will make the maths even easier for him). He will need to have amassed 266 runs across the four digs to officially etch his name above Sangakkara and 323 runs to wedge himself between Pollock and the mighty Don.

At the close of play today he had already knocked off 174 of those, not out.

So it’s highly likely that Voges will welcome in the New Year at the SCG with a debut on the Test averages list as the top contemporary batsman. It is very conceivable that he will even be the top batsman of the modern era, second in all of Test cricket history.

Of course, given the infancy of his Test career, the maths also dictates that a few cheap dismissals will see him plummet down the list just as quickly as he’s ascended it.

Does Adam Voges belong among the greats of cricket?

True greatness can only be measured over the course of a long career against varied opposition, both home and away, tallying thousands of runs in a CV chock full of classic, gritty, match winning innings.

Unfortunately for Voges, at 36-years-old, time is not on his side to earn a seat in the Pantheon. But if he keeps this up, he will indeed be among the greats, even above them, in at least one stats list.

*If Adam Voges is dismissed on Day 2 without adding to his overnight score of 174, his Test average will stand at 63.62.

**And because I know you are wondering… To top the supernatural Don Bradman (99.94), Voges would only need to post a measly 647 in this innings, or 947 over this and the following three innings to make it official.


http://www.australiantimes.co.uk/adam-voges-now-the-second-best-cricket-batsman-ever/
 
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Averages 466 against the WI with 47% of his career runs coming against them.

Should end the discussion there.
 
He has been a FTB and minnow-basher so far. Let him play some more before judging him.
 
It's the same like calling Rohit the best batsman in the world when he feasts on minnows in his local flat runways.

Or our batsmen in the UAE, though they've performed against every top team.

Voges is mostly a WI basher so far. Not a serious discussion
 
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The guy who took that catch on the boundary?

They play him in test matches now??
 
It's the same like calling Rohit the best batsman in the world when he feasts on minnows in his local flat runways.

Or our batsmen in the UAE, though they've performed against every top team.

Voges is mostly a WI basher so far. Not a serious discussion

Rohit has an average of 50 plus against the World Champions
 
What a tragedy!

Don Bradman must be weeping right now seeing this embarrassment
 
I don't think scoring tons of runs against a school boy attack in your own back yard means anything of significance at all. Yes nice average but in a crisis situation, I don't think anyone in their right mind would pick Voges to bat for them above other players who are topping the performance tables right now like Younus, Root, Misbah, Smith.
 
Good bloke and good luck to him.

Took a while to get his chance, he obviously isn't the second best batsman of all time and this is a stupid article but hey he's scoring runs and good for him
 
Good bloke and good luck to him.

Took a while to get his chance, he obviously isn't the second best batsman of all time and this is a stupid article but hey he's scoring runs and good for him

Like you, I'm pleased for a model professional, but it bodes poorly for Australia.

Australia has 2 more Tests against the West Indies, followed by 2 Tests in New Zealand on pitches which are usually fairly high scoring ones (Wellington and Christchurch).

Then they have three winter Tests in Sri Lanka, against a very feeble bowling attack, and then no more until next summer, when in a packed November and December they host:

South Africa for 3 Tests at Brisbane, Perth and possibly Canberra, followed very quickly by.....

Pakistan for 3 Tests at Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney.

The problem is that in all likelihood Australia is now saddled with taking Joe Burns as an opener and Shaun Marsh and a 37 year old Adam Voges as their middle order. Into Tests against Steyn, Morkel, Abbott, Wahab, Amir and Yasir.

It's probably not quite ideal.
 
Like you, I'm pleased for a model professional, but it bodes poorly for Australia.

Australia has 2 more Tests against the West Indies, followed by 2 Tests in New Zealand on pitches which are usually fairly high scoring ones (Wellington and Christchurch).

Then they have three winter Tests in Sri Lanka, against a very feeble bowling attack, and then no more until next summer, when in a packed November and December they host:

South Africa for 3 Tests at Brisbane, Perth and possibly Canberra, followed very quickly by.....

Pakistan for 3 Tests at Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney.

The problem is that in all likelihood Australia is now saddled with taking Joe Burns as an opener and Shaun Marsh and a 37 year old Adam Voges as their middle order. Into Tests against Steyn, Morkel, Abbott, Wahab, Amir and Yasir.

It's probably not quite ideal.

Voges is almost certainly the third best batsman in the country and he is doing an important support role in the team.

We also weren't that far off the Saffers last time they toured even though our batting lineup was Clarke + Hussey and we had John Hastings opening the bowling.

We're not saddled with Burns or Marsh at all.

Pakistan's batting over here won't do anything
 
Voges is almost certainly the third best batsman in the country and he is doing an important support role in the team.

We also weren't that far off the Saffers last time they toured even though our batting lineup was Clarke + Hussey and we had John Hastings opening the bowling.

We're not saddled with Burns or Marsh at all.

Pakistan's batting over here won't do anything

I almost entirely agree.

The problem is, even Khawaja only really established himself on the flattest Gabba and WACA tracks imaginable. And next summer a 37 year old Voges will go up against significantly better bowling attacks than he has ever faced before in Test cricket. Yes, Southee and Boult are decent - but the pressure was released by the likes of Mark Craig.

The summer will start with a Night Test at Brisbane. A green pitch will be required to keep the ball fit for play. I suspect both Australia and South Africa will find their batting line-ups pulverised next summer.
 
I almost entirely agree.

The problem is, even Khawaja only really established himself on the flattest Gabba and WACA tracks imaginable. And next summer a 37 year old Voges will go up against significantly better bowling attacks than he has ever faced before in Test cricket. Yes, Southee and Boult are decent - but the pressure was released by the likes of Mark Craig.

The summer will start with a Night Test at Brisbane. A green pitch will be required to keep the ball fit for play. I suspect both Australia and South Africa will find their batting line-ups pulverised next summer.

I think you might find that Canberra would be the day/nighter

Makes far more sense than Brisbane due to dew and late night storms
 
I think you might find that Canberra would be the day/nighter

Makes far more sense than Brisbane due to dew and late night storms

The problem with Manuka Oval might be that the outfield and square tend to be quite abrasive. I'm not sure that the pink ball would survive there.
 
The problem with Manuka Oval might be that the outfield and square tend to be quite abrasive. I'm not sure that the pink ball would survive there.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...daynight-options/story-e6frf3g3-1227641788268

The only reason they're even looking at Canberra ahead of Hobart is for day/night cricket.

Perth's already a D/N for eastern states tv, Brisbane has weather concerns and Melbourne and Sydney have blockbuster tests already and it would damage the big bash.

But Hobart isn't suited.
 
Deal with it

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And in the last two years

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Test     AUS 11   17  5  922 269*  76.83 1576  58.50   3  3
SSHield  WA  21   38  9 2106 249   72.62 4137  50.91   8  9
County   MID  4    8  0  451 132   56.37  674  66.91   1  3
Tour     AST  4    6  1  140  52   28.00  316  44.30   0  1
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First Class  40   69 15 3619 269*  67.02 6703  53.99  12 16
 
Good bloke and good luck to him.

Took a while to get his chance, he obviously isn't the second best batsman of all time and this is a stupid article but hey he's scoring runs and good for him

Seems like a nice guy and a good batsman.

He is not good enough to be scoring 250+ at a SR of 100.
 
20 innings isn't enough of a qualifying period IMO. Any poxy batsman out there can have a flukey year where there hasn't been enough time to work him out. Should be a bare minimum of 20 Tests.
 
He would easily play till 60 if he was playing for Pakistan

I kid I kid!
 
Didn't Mike Hussey maintain an average of 60,70s for the longest time
 
It's the same like calling Rohit the best batsman in the world when he feasts on minnows in his local flat runways.

Or our batsmen in the UAE, though they've performed against every top team.

Voges is mostly a WI basher so far. Not a serious discussion

Atleast Rohit has scored a hundred in a ODI at MCG against the best ODI bowler of our generation. What has Voges done?
 
If Voges was Pakistani he would be the greatest batsman to walk the earth.
 
Deal with it

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And in the last two years

Code:
Test     AUS 11   17  5  922 269*  76.83 1576  58.50   3  3
SSHield  WA  21   38  9 2106 249   72.62 4137  50.91   8  9
County   MID  4    8  0  451 132   56.37  674  66.91   1  3
Tour     AST  4    6  1  140  52   28.00  316  44.30   0  1
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First Class  40   69 15 3619 269*  67.02 6703  53.99  12 16

Pathetic average in bowling :P
 
Would be epic if he retires with 100 just to troll next gen statsguru fans
 
Would be epic if he retires with 100 just to troll next gen statsguru fans

Next generation? How about the old generation folks?

Here is a gem from someone who only rates batsmen based on averages

I can easily name 20 better batsmen.

Take out Mominul Haque and Vinod Kambli from the all-time Test averages, but add Barry Richards

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/282910.html

Let's hope he considers Voges as the best now.
 
Give credit where it's due, regardless of pitch/ opposition, how many batsmen have scored over a 1000 runs at an average of 100? I don't think there has even been one, let alone 20.
 
Next generation? How about the old generation folks?

Here is a gem from someone who only rates batsmen based on averages



Let's hope he considers Voges as the best now.

This is another thing. Barry Richards played 4 tests! People hum on them like he achieved so much in test cricket. Talented or not, 4 tests is not a sample worthy of the name!

I am currently studying for a MSc in Economics, if I did statistical analysis with a dataset of 4 I'd be laughed out of class.

Minimum number of tests are needed for stats to be credible. Be it 25 or whatever!
 
Voges has just broken an old record of most runs scored without being dismissed... guess who are the two batsmen who held it before him.... Gary sobers and Sachin Tendulkar. What a company to be in.
 
Voges has just broken an old record of most runs scored without being dismissed... guess who are the two batsmen who held it before him.... Gary sobers and Sachin Tendulkar. What a company to be in.

Voges is the new boss. :))

It will burn folks here.
 
Voges has just broken an old record of most runs scored without being dismissed... guess who are the two batsmen who held it before him.... Gary sobers and Sachin Tendulkar. What a company to be in.

Sachin's runs were against Australia and Pakistan and Sobers' runs were from his 365 and 125 against Pakistan. On the other hand, most of Voges' runs are against the West Indies at home. Still a nice record.
 
Wasn't this the guy that was out bowled on day 1?

If so, very undeserving ton.
 
Wasn't this the guy that was out bowled on day 1?

If so, very undeserving ton.

Yeah hopefully they correct his average, he's the first bloke to get a slice of luck and then use it to make a ton in this test cricket business.
 
Yup ump spooked him and he didn't even play a shot, that incorrect call probably cost him 4 or maybe even 6 runs.
 
Averaging 100 with the bat. Hopefully he will be remembered along with the likes of Barry Richards who baely played test cricket but is an ATG already due to his average :amla
 
Averaging 100 with the bat. Hopefully he will be remembered along with the likes of Barry Richards who baely played test cricket but is an ATG already due to his average :amla

He should just retire to troll everyone. He will be remembered forever
 
He is making the most of his career.Picked so late and now he's piling up all that frustration in the form of runs.
 
Wait for Fawad Alam to re-debut! (after a hiatus of 7 years)

The guy will make Voges look a minnow
 
Next generation? How about the old generation folks?

Here is a gem from someone who only rates batsmen based on averages

Let's hope he considers Voges as the best now.


Barry Richards averaged 79.25 in SuperTests in 1977-79 after averaging 73 in Tests in 1970.

Like with Mike Hussey and FAF du Plessis, I will wait longer before I judge Voges......
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] will be impressed by this

But these figures tell only what Voges has achieved, not how he has achieved it. And for a glimpse at the how, it is worth considering another statistic. Voges has scored more runs than any other Australian Test batsman this summer, but he has done so without hitting a six. Not a single one. The same cannot be said of any other member of Australia's top six.

That tells you something about his mindset. Cut out the risks. Play along the ground, into the gaps. Don't go too hard at the ball. Voges was one of many Australians who were embarrassed by the team's dismissal for 60 on the first day of the Ashes Test at Trent Bridge last year. But he was the only one who was 35 years old and far from established in the team. When he pushed with hard hands and edged Stuart Broad to fifth slip, it could have been the beginning of the end.

He has placed such a high price on his wicket that if it was on Ebay nobody would even bid on it. His concentration is enormous: he has now faced 737 deliveries in Test cricket since he last got out.
Instead, it was the beginning of a new chapter. As Voges told ABC Grandstand during the Australian summer, that innings led him to rethink his whole approach to Test cricket. "I decided to put all drives away - cover drives, straight drives, all drives," Voges said. "I wasn't going to play one, I was going to be as disciplined as I could be and just fight as long as I could and just make them really have to earn my wicket."

It's also a good sign that most batsman should be able to mature.

It's a really pity that it took Voges so long to do so.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] will be impressed by this



It's also a good sign that most batsman should be able to mature.

It's a really pity that it took Voges so long to do so.

I have been very impressed watching every ball at the Basin Reserve.

Like Chris Rogers, a mature batsman who respects Test cricket. Sort of like Misbah, but a much better technician.
 
Averages 60 against non-minnows. Even if that falls to 50 by the end of the series, that'll be a more accurate reflection. He has 3 Tests in SL followed by 7 Tests at home before touring India. So, 10 more easy matches to bump up that average.

Tbf though, he looks a much better batsman than Gary Ballance who averaged 50 after playing a decent number of Tests.
 
He was obviously distracted by the umpire calling a no ball
Decided to leave the ball before it was even called. Even then, who bloody leaves a free ball which you cannot get out on (other than run out)? He was never going to play a shot :facepalm:
 
Decided to leave the ball before it was even called. Even then, who bloody leaves a free ball which you cannot get out on (other than run out)? He was never going to play a shot :facepalm:

It's not a commonly known fact but Adam Voges isn't enjoying his morning wheatbix and wanted some kiwi tears to provide some flavour
 
If Voges retires now, he'll be the highest averaging cricketer, surpassing Bradman's 99.

Voges has also crossed 1000 runs. This is the first instance of someone crossing 1000 runs at an average exceeding 100. From crickinfo: "Bradman had accumulated 862 at 71.83 when he scored the 334 at Leeds and his average jumped to 92.00. But not 100. He crossed 100 only with his score of 299* in his 19th Test. 2396 at 99.83 became 2695 at 112.29. So Voges is a unique instance. Michael Hussey crossed 1000 at an average just over 70. Sutcliffe crossed 1000 at 78.08."

Voes has played 19 innings and made 1204 runs at an average of about 100 (lots of not outs).

After 19 innings, Bradman made 1846 at an average of 102 (1 not out).
 
If Voges retires now, he'll be the highest averaging cricketer, surpassing Bradman's 99.

Voges has also crossed 1000 runs. This is the first instance of someone crossing 1000 runs at an average exceeding 100. From crickinfo: "Bradman had accumulated 862 at 71.83 when he scored the 334 at Leeds and his average jumped to 92.00. But not 100. He crossed 100 only with his score of 299* in his 19th Test. 2396 at 99.83 became 2695 at 112.29. So Voges is a unique instance. Michael Hussey crossed 1000 at an average just over 70. Sutcliffe crossed 1000 at 78.08."

Voes has played 19 innings and made 1204 runs at an average of about 100 (lots of not outs).

After 19 innings, Bradman made 1846 at an average of 102 (1 not out).

7 not outs to be precise including the present innings. Runs/innings is 60-odd for Voges and 90-odd for :don
 
Yeah hopefully they correct his average, he's the first bloke to get a slice of luck and then use it to make a ton in this test cricket business.

This one is a bit different to a dropped catch or a missed run out though. I watched the highlights and it was clearly not a no-ball. So he was effectively given 'not out' despite being legitimately 100% bowled and out. Slice of luck doesn't come close to describing that lol - minor disgrace would be more appropriate.
 
Most posters here seem to have a very poor understanding of the game of cricket, or statistics. Sometimes, worse yet, they seem to have a very poor grasp of both. That is the only reason these arguments pop up from time to time.

Don Bradman was simply the best batsman (and arguably the cricketer, as well, but this part is arguable) to have ever played the game, so far, as of 2016.

To get a 'feel' for how good he was, look at the summary of his career achievements, though, that does not do justice to his achievements. All the remaining 'greats' of the game, were, justifiably about 60% as good as him, or worse. including Richards (both Barry and Viv), Hutton, Sutcliffe, and whatever overhyped hacks there have been including Tenda (and only in this thread, Voges).

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1. Not only did Late Sir Donald Bradman average (very close to/approximately) 100 in Test matches over 80 innings, he scored 29 centuries (including 12 double centuries?) and 13 fifties, while remaining unbeaten only 10 times.

2. In a much longer period spanning 338 innings, the late Sir Don Bradman still averaged 95+, scored 117 centuries (cricinfo published wrong info here :sanga), and scored another 69 half centuries. He hit 37 double centuries, and hit 6 triple centuries in first class matches. :don

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/bradman/records1.htm



3. Let's compare these summaries/stats with overhyped hacks like Tenda, or as in this thread, no-name Voges.

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This middling player averages much lower in First Class than in Test matches, understandably so since most of his scores in Test matches came against essentially a 'minnow level' Windies, and his average is further boosted by a very high percentage of 'not outs' in his fledgling Test career (and a few dodgy decisions, too) :asif.

Basically, Voges is a 47 averaging batsman, who got lucky to be not out, get a few dodgy decisions, play almost exclusively against the minnow-level Windies, only in a brief period to boost his averages artificially.

If you look at the number of centuries and fifties he hit compared to the number of innings he played, he is just your regular top order/middle order specialist batsman. Nothing outstanding.

4. Doing the same for Tenda, we see that over a longer period, Tenda's career would have been pretty much at half the level of Late Sir Don Bradman in pretty much every era, if not lower (considering the difficulty in batting in previous eras, with poor bats, two paced pitches, no protective gear, no third umpires leading to dodgy LBW and caught behind decisions etc).

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5. Barry Richards was also a legendary player, but sometimes overhyped based on a very few matches in Test matches and in some nonsensical WSC series.

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Over a longer 'spell', he proved that he was a legend alright, but about '57%" as good as the late Sir Don, if not worse.

Look at his first class stats, and the number of centuries, plus the number of fifties he hit (80 centuries, plus 152 half-centuries, in 576 first class innings), which indicates he was a legend alright, just nowhere near late Sir Don Bradman, and about the same level as let's say Viv Richards or such, and comfortably above overhyped hacks and certified losers (with the highest number of defeats and failures in crunch situations) like Tenda.



6. The case of Voges reminds me of Mohammad Yousuf of Pakistan.

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A great batsman, indeed.

But what is more interesting is his bowling career.

No matter which way you look at it, if you ignore the lack of a significant 'sample size', he would be one of the all time greatest bowlers in the history of the game in all formats, if not the greatest.

Of course, why would one ignore sample size when judging Mohammad Yousuf's bowling performance would be the crucial question.

Yousuf averaged 1 with the ball (never mind he only bowled 2 balls in ODIs, against Zimbabwe, and got lucky that he got a wicket in his 2nd ball) in his ODI career, with an economy rate of 3.00 :asif, strike rate of 2.00 :murali, and average of 1.00 :steyn

In List A matches too, he averaged an amazing 13.00 :sa, with a strike rate of only 8.0:ik, but at an economy rate of 9.75. :srt. Never mind that he bowled 8 balls altogether, conceded 13 runs and picked up a wicket along the way.
 

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13 tests are just a little too small for a sample, but SOMEHOW if he manages to keep that sort of an avg for 25-30 tests and retire then. The next generations will definitely call him 'the greatest ever'. Lol.
 
Most posters here seem to have a very poor understanding of the game of cricket, or statistics. Sometimes, worse yet, they seem to have a very poor grasp of both. That is the only reason these arguments pop up from time to time.

Don Bradman was simply the best batsman (and arguably the cricketer, as well, but this part is arguable) to have ever played the game, so far, as of 2016.

To get a 'feel' for how good he was, look at the summary of his career achievements, though, that does not do justice to his achievements. All the remaining 'greats' of the game, were, justifiably about 60% as good as him, or worse. including Richards (both Barry and Viv), Hutton, Sutcliffe, and whatever overhyped hacks there have been including Tenda (and only in this thread, Voges).

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1. Not only did Late Sir Donald Bradman average (very close to/approximately) 100 in Test matches over 80 innings, he scored 29 centuries (including 12 double centuries?) and 13 fifties, while remaining unbeaten only 10 times.

2. In a much longer period spanning 338 innings, the late Sir Don Bradman still averaged 95+, scored 117 centuries (cricinfo published wrong info here :sanga), and scored another 69 half centuries. He hit 37 double centuries, and hit 6 triple centuries in first class matches. :don

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/bradman/records1.htm



3. Let's compare these summaries/stats with overhyped hacks like Tenda, or as in this thread, no-name Voges.

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This middling player averages much lower in First Class than in Test matches, understandably so since most of his scores in Test matches came against essentially a 'minnow level' Windies, and his average is further boosted by a very high percentage of 'not outs' in his fledgling Test career (and a few dodgy decisions, too) :asif.

Basically, Voges is a 47 averaging batsman, who got lucky to be not out, get a few dodgy decisions, play almost exclusively against the minnow-level Windies, only in a brief period to boost his averages artificially.

If you look at the number of centuries and fifties he hit compared to the number of innings he played, he is just your regular top order/middle order specialist batsman. Nothing outstanding.

4. Doing the same for Tenda, we see that over a longer period, Tenda's career would have been pretty much at half the level of Late Sir Don Bradman in pretty much every era, if not lower (considering the difficulty in batting in previous eras, with poor bats, two paced pitches, no protective gear, no third umpires leading to dodgy LBW and caught behind decisions etc).

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5. Barry Richards was also a legendary player, but sometimes overhyped based on a very few matches in Test matches and in some nonsensical WSC series.

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Over a longer 'spell', he proved that he was a legend alright, but about '57%" as good as the late Sir Don, if not worse.

Look at his first class stats, and the number of centuries, plus the number of fifties he hit (80 centuries, plus 152 half-centuries, in 576 first class innings), which indicates he was a legend alright, just nowhere near late Sir Don Bradman, and about the same level as let's say Viv Richards or such, and comfortably above overhyped hacks and certified losers (with the highest number of defeats and failures in crunch situations) like Tenda.



6. The case of Voges reminds me of Mohammad Yousuf of Pakistan.

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A great batsman, indeed.

But what is more interesting is his bowling career.

No matter which way you look at it, if you ignore the lack of a significant 'sample size', he would be one of the all time greatest bowlers in the history of the game in all formats, if not the greatest.

Of course, why would one ignore sample size when judging Mohammad Yousuf's bowling performance would be the crucial question.

Yousuf averaged 1 with the ball (never mind he only bowled 2 balls in ODIs, against Zimbabwe, and got lucky that he got a wicket in his 2nd ball) in his ODI career, with an economy rate of 3.00 :asif, strike rate of 2.00 :murali, and average of 1.00 :steyn

In List A matches too, he averaged an amazing 13.00 :sa, with a strike rate of only 8.0:ik, but at an economy rate of 9.75. :srt. Never mind that he bowled 8 balls altogether, conceded 13 runs and picked up a wicket along the way.

So don was 40% better than viv, sach, Hutton, why is him being the greatest cricketer ever part is arguable??

I don't agree with single thing in this post I am just curious about the reasoning

Who according to u is "arguably" best cricketer ever ??
 
I've played my last Test match: Adam Voges

Veteran Australian batsman Adam Voges admits his international career is finished.

Voges' career ends with a batting average of 61.87 - second only to Donald Bradman as the best in Test history.

The 37-year-old has failed to earn a recall since being ruled out of the third match against South Africa in November with concussion.

He was overlooked for the Pakistan series and was left out of the squad for the upcoming tour of India.
"I'm done in terms of international cricket. I can probably acknowledge the fact I'm not getting back in the side," Voges told Fairfax Media.

He suffered a head knocked attempting to evade a short ball while batting for Western Australian in the Sheffield Shield.

The middle-order batsman was unlikely to be picked for the dead-ubber third Test having registered previous scores of 27, 1, 0 and 2 in the 2-1 series loss to the Proteas.

Voges was dealt another setback when he injured his hamstring playing for Perth Scorchers in the BBL, sidelining him for two weeks.

"I'm realistic enough to understand my performances weren't up to scratch in my last few Tests," he said.

"There was only one person to blame and that was me."

The 20-Test player will captain the Prime Minister's XI next month when they host Sri Lanka in a Twenty20 clash.

He made his Test debut in the West Indies in 2015 before hitting five centuries for Australia.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/cricket/ive-played-my-last-test-match-adam-voges-ng-s-1659432
 
I think he knew his Test career wasn't going to last very long when he made his debut so he probably just decided to make the best of it and go out quietly when the time came.
Has a heck of a record to go out on too.

Why can't the counties give guys like him Kolpak deals? Instead of poaching South African talent.
 
Voges average 61...well Steven Smith averages 60 and has already scored 3000 runs more than Voges. Not sure what's the fuss about this guy. His average would drop below 50 if he played 100 tests.

Let somebody score 6000 runs at average over 70 then we can remotely compare him to Bradman. Voges is a pitiful way to manipulate stats. Not to mention he was lucky to have many not outs which inflated his average
 
Voges average 61...well Steven Smith averages 60 and has already scored 3000 runs more than Voges. Not sure what's the fuss about this guy. His average would drop below 50 if he played 100 tests.

Let somebody score 6000 runs at average over 70 then we can remotely compare him to Bradman. Voges is a pitiful way to manipulate stats. Not to mention he was lucky to have many not outs which inflated his average
This entire thread is tongue in cheeck...
 
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