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Afghan President Ashraf Ghani is worried about the plight of peaceful protesters in Pakistan

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Lol I’m sure this will go down well in Islamabad.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Afghan government has serious concerns about the violence perpetrated against peaceful protestors and civil activists in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.</p>— Ashraf Ghani (@ashrafghani) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashrafghani/status/1093356450926247937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
And the reply...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We reject the tweet by President Ashraf Ghani. Such irresponsible statements are only gross interference. Afghan leadership needs to focus on long-standing serious grievances of the Afghan people.</p>— Shah Mahmood Qureshi (@SMQureshiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/SMQureshiPTI/status/1093434832569417728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I would think that the US ignoring Afghanistan govt from talks with Taliban hasnt gone down too well
 
Small people occupying big offices.

Off topic
Afgh president
Palestine pm/president
AJK pm/president
Occupied Kasmir CM

Can't understand the role of these rulers apart of yes man.
 
We need freedom in Pakistan Ghani saab, same freedom which y'all enjoy in Afghanistan! Come help us save from the wrath of Khan!!


:facepalm:
 
Modi: Ashraf saab, here is what we want you to tweet today.

Ashraf Ghani: What about the umm "financial aid"?

Modi: Yes we've deposited 150 rupees in your bank account. There's more where that came from.
 
He needs to worry about the mistreatment of Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks in Afghanistan.
 
I have serious concerns regarding the plight of any afghan citizen in afghanistan..
 
Your days in Afghanistan are numbered Mr Ghani. Start packing up your bags.
 
I hope whoever is sponsoring these peaceful protests is taking some responsibility for any violence inflicted. The rest of the world has heard nothing about these incidents yet Ghani seems to have intimate knowledge. I do hope the aid they are receiving from 'friendly' neighbours isn't being used for improper purposes.
 
He should worry about his own war zone instead or lecturing us on human rights. People living in the dark ages should not be talking freedom of expression.
 
Are these the protests in question? - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47147409

Leaving the "what about plight of people in Afghanistan" clause aside, do these protestors have genuine grievances? Their allegations of Pakistan army's abuse of Pashtun people have truth or is it all politically motivated?
 
Are these the protests in question? - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47147409

Leaving the "what about plight of people in Afghanistan" clause aside, do these protestors have genuine grievances? Their allegations of Pakistan army's abuse of Pashtun people have truth or is it all politically motivated?

Politically motivated. Ghanis just trying to spark ethnic flames cause his country has been in ethnic civil for almost 50 years now.
 
Are these the protests in question? - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47147409

Leaving the "what about plight of people in Afghanistan" clause aside, do these protestors have genuine grievances? Their allegations of Pakistan army's abuse of Pashtun people have truth or is it all politically motivated?

There are so many facet to this issue that it's extremely difficult to sum it up while remaining just. At the same time we the pakistani people don't take criticism well and instead of looking at criticism as a mean to improve we become defensive and start pinpointing the shortcomings of others.

For me the answer to the concern whether Pakistan army willingly harms and abuses a group of citizens just because they are Pashtun is a simple no!

The reality is that Pakistan security forces don't shy away from going against any elements which they consider to be a threat to their own self-interests irrespective of the ethnic background. Which wouldn't be a big deal weren't it for the fact that the security forces have little regard to how they conduct such operations. For them the end justifies the means, no matter how bad the means employed. The Sahiwal incident being it's prime example.

Hidden from all the media Pakistani security forces have been conducting a "counter-terrorism" operation in the tribal areas since late 2004. With each passing year army's way of dealing with issues increased in brutality. Which became the mother of all security problems in Pakistan in the last two decades. Now what was the reason behind the initial operation? This is a question which PTM supporters must answer honestly though they aren't willing to. Did the security forces went into tribal areas because of their hate and despise of the tribal Pashtuns or were there legitimate reasons. If it was due to their hatred of Pashtuns why did it took them over 60 years to finally start the opression. If it's the evil Punjabi conspiracy against them then how come the man in charge at the time of troops deployment in FATA was Gen Ehsan-ul-haq a Pashtun from Mardan?

I don't want to indulge deeper into the different ethnicities and start microscopically analyzing which actor in the conflict was of which ethnicity. Because I don't believe in such an approach. I only mentioned the examples to show how shallow claims of abuses purely based on ethnic grounds are.

It is not hard for me to imagine the Pakistani army conducting many brutalities in the tribal areas in their quest to solve the issue and satisfy their big boss. However the motivation for all those brutalities had little to do with the ethnicity of the local population and more to do with the desperation, short-sighted mindset and attitude of those in charge.

I sincerely believe an open public discussion is necessary for a long-term solution to this issue. I think the army should be answerable to the simple citizen listen to the other side, if true admit any atrocities it committed, apologize to those affected and give them proper compensation.

At the same time I find it hard to stand shoulder to shoulder with the PTM folks. Their Pashtun nationalist and ethnic bias is nauseous. They might be addressing legitimate issues but their approach is dishonest and insincere. They will take any story and give it an ethnic twist. For instance in the Sahiwal incident they won't see innocents getting killed just like in FATA. Instead they will see the excessive media coverage and claim look since Punjabis died they get all the attention, while ignoring the fact that there was a strong media censorship in FATA and that the incident happened in broad day light on a busy road with many eye witnesses. They will ignore how initially the security forces tried there best to label all the dead as Terrorists and suppress the issue. Such is the ignorance and bias when one is blinded by strong sense of ethnic nationalism.

This issue is a headache for both the army and PTM folks. Both parties have ugly truth in their closet they don't want the public to see. Though I think army has more to lose if they keep on believing in their policy of forceful suppression, censorship and the use of an iron fist. As a result PTM can only gain as they can openly demonstrate that they indeed "innocent" victims and further mobilize gullible masses.
 
There are so many facet to this issue that it's extremely difficult to sum it up while remaining just. At the same time we the pakistani people don't take criticism well and instead of looking at criticism as a mean to improve we become defensive and start pinpointing the shortcomings of others.

For me the answer to the concern whether Pakistan army willingly harms and abuses a group of citizens just because they are Pashtun is a simple no!

The reality is that Pakistan security forces don't shy away from going against any elements which they consider to be a threat to their own self-interests irrespective of the ethnic background. Which wouldn't be a big deal weren't it for the fact that the security forces have little regard to how they conduct such operations. For them the end justifies the means, no matter how bad the means employed. The Sahiwal incident being it's prime example.

Hidden from all the media Pakistani security forces have been conducting a "counter-terrorism" operation in the tribal areas since late 2004. With each passing year army's way of dealing with issues increased in brutality. Which became the mother of all security problems in Pakistan in the last two decades. Now what was the reason behind the initial operation? This is a question which PTM supporters must answer honestly though they aren't willing to. Did the security forces went into tribal areas because of their hate and despise of the tribal Pashtuns or were there legitimate reasons. If it was due to their hatred of Pashtuns why did it took them over 60 years to finally start the opression. If it's the evil Punjabi conspiracy against them then how come the man in charge at the time of troops deployment in FATA was Gen Ehsan-ul-haq a Pashtun from Mardan?

I don't want to indulge deeper into the different ethnicities and start microscopically analyzing which actor in the conflict was of which ethnicity. Because I don't believe in such an approach. I only mentioned the examples to show how shallow claims of abuses purely based on ethnic grounds are.

It is not hard for me to imagine the Pakistani army conducting many brutalities in the tribal areas in their quest to solve the issue and satisfy their big boss. However the motivation for all those brutalities had little to do with the ethnicity of the local population and more to do with the desperation, short-sighted mindset and attitude of those in charge.

I sincerely believe an open public discussion is necessary for a long-term solution to this issue. I think the army should be answerable to the simple citizen listen to the other side, if true admit any atrocities it committed, apologize to those affected and give them proper compensation.

At the same time I find it hard to stand shoulder to shoulder with the PTM folks. Their Pashtun nationalist and ethnic bias is nauseous. They might be addressing legitimate issues but their approach is dishonest and insincere. They will take any story and give it an ethnic twist. For instance in the Sahiwal incident they won't see innocents getting killed just like in FATA. Instead they will see the excessive media coverage and claim look since Punjabis died they get all the attention, while ignoring the fact that there was a strong media censorship in FATA and that the incident happened in broad day light on a busy road with many eye witnesses. They will ignore how initially the security forces tried there best to label all the dead as Terrorists and suppress the issue. Such is the ignorance and bias when one is blinded by strong sense of ethnic nationalism.

This issue is a headache for both the army and PTM folks. Both parties have ugly truth in their closet they don't want the public to see. Though I think army has more to lose if they keep on believing in their policy of forceful suppression, censorship and the use of an iron fist. As a result PTM can only gain as they can openly demonstrate that they indeed "innocent" victims and further mobilize gullible masses.

Man this is a wonderful summary and I felt I learned a bit about the dynamics here ... thank you for this! I feel pretty much every bad regime or insecure bad actors (politicians/citizens) within a regime never take well to criticisms and Pakistanis are no exception. Best governance and citizenship models around the world also have tendencies to respond well to criticisms - but developing world at large has quite a bit of distance to get there.

What you mentioned above (bolded in quoted section) is spot on. Per progression of status quo - Pakistan maybe looking at another Baluchistan type headache (albeit a worse headache). I hope the powers to be address the core issue instead of a convenient excuse that "this is a result of meddling of foreign powers" that every bad government of any country usually resorts to.

For the sake of people let's hope this situation resolves itself.
 
There are so many facet to this issue that it's extremely difficult to sum it up while remaining just. At the same time we the pakistani people don't take criticism well and instead of looking at criticism as a mean to improve we become defensive and start pinpointing the shortcomings of others.

For me the answer to the concern whether Pakistan army willingly harms and abuses a group of citizens just because they are Pashtun is a simple no!

The reality is that Pakistan security forces don't shy away from going against any elements which they consider to be a threat to their own self-interests irrespective of the ethnic background. Which wouldn't be a big deal weren't it for the fact that the security forces have little regard to how they conduct such operations. For them the end justifies the means, no matter how bad the means employed. The Sahiwal incident being it's prime example.

Hidden from all the media Pakistani security forces have been conducting a "counter-terrorism" operation in the tribal areas since late 2004. With each passing year army's way of dealing with issues increased in brutality. Which became the mother of all security problems in Pakistan in the last two decades. Now what was the reason behind the initial operation? This is a question which PTM supporters must answer honestly though they aren't willing to. Did the security forces went into tribal areas because of their hate and despise of the tribal Pashtuns or were there legitimate reasons. If it was due to their hatred of Pashtuns why did it took them over 60 years to finally start the opression. If it's the evil Punjabi conspiracy against them then how come the man in charge at the time of troops deployment in FATA was Gen Ehsan-ul-haq a Pashtun from Mardan?

I don't want to indulge deeper into the different ethnicities and start microscopically analyzing which actor in the conflict was of which ethnicity. Because I don't believe in such an approach. I only mentioned the examples to show how shallow claims of abuses purely based on ethnic grounds are.

It is not hard for me to imagine the Pakistani army conducting many brutalities in the tribal areas in their quest to solve the issue and satisfy their big boss. However the motivation for all those brutalities had little to do with the ethnicity of the local population and more to do with the desperation, short-sighted mindset and attitude of those in charge.

I sincerely believe an open public discussion is necessary for a long-term solution to this issue. I think the army should be answerable to the simple citizen listen to the other side, if true admit any atrocities it committed, apologize to those affected and give them proper compensation.

At the same time I find it hard to stand shoulder to shoulder with the PTM folks. Their Pashtun nationalist and ethnic bias is nauseous. They might be addressing legitimate issues but their approach is dishonest and insincere. They will take any story and give it an ethnic twist. For instance in the Sahiwal incident they won't see innocents getting killed just like in FATA. Instead they will see the excessive media coverage and claim look since Punjabis died they get all the attention, while ignoring the fact that there was a strong media censorship in FATA and that the incident happened in broad day light on a busy road with many eye witnesses. They will ignore how initially the security forces tried there best to label all the dead as Terrorists and suppress the issue. Such is the ignorance and bias when one is blinded by strong sense of ethnic nationalism.

This issue is a headache for both the army and PTM folks. Both parties have ugly truth in their closet they don't want the public to see. Though I think army has more to lose if they keep on believing in their policy of forceful suppression, censorship and the use of an iron fist. As a result PTM can only gain as they can openly demonstrate that they indeed "innocent" victims and further mobilize gullible masses.

This issue is not exclusive to Pakistan army. Every Army faces this conundrum when it operates against tribal/civilian militias because it is hard to distinguish between innocents and terrorists. Also army has hardly been forceful against PTM. It allowed them to conduct jalsas and even allowed there representatives in parliament knowing fully well that they are being supported by foreign anti Pakistan element. Media censorship is necessary in this era of 5th generation warfare.
 
Just trying to stay relevant as he can see the writing on the wall..... His knows his days are numbered ..
 
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