Afghan refugee in US right to criticise food ration?

[KingKhanWC]

Afghan refugee who shared picture of meager Fort Bliss food ration divides internet: Ungrateful or underfed?

One user shared a picture of a FedEx plane, writing: ''@ahmadihamed_ Get in. We're sending you back.' A common theme throughout the thread.

Another user similarly commented: '@ahmadihamed_ More than happy to fly you home and trade you for the service dogs. Just ask. One way ticket, on me.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-picture-pathetic-Fort-Bliss-food-ration.html





The meal is a joke, rescue dogs get more in 24 hrs. But I have little sympathy for this man. He is young, has an opportunity to live in the USA, so should appreciate his life ahead and accept the Yanks dont care about Afghans, its all politcal pandering to continue their 'we are the good guys' image, which in reality doesnt exist anymore.

 

[mazkhan]

Taliban warned these namak haram opportunists to stay put and not soil your pants and betray your nation and people.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Taliban warned these namak haram opportunists to stay put and not soil your pants and betray your nation and people.

So easy for people like you to say this while sitting on your couch

 

[Giannis]

They're in the right, this is preposterous and they shouldn't be fed like prisoners. There's no shortage of food in America, they should get traditional American sized proportions. People have no idea how much food is wasted over here, they could supply excess food from restaurants and college dining halls that usually get thrown away despite being perfectly fine for consumption.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So easy for people like you to say this while sitting on your couch

We dont know his circumstances but seems a young, healthy guy. Likely to be an economic migrant. The chap should chill, he will be eating supersized hamburgers soon. Perhaps he was expecting a bottle of Tennesse whisky with his two fish and veg.

 

[KingKhanWC]

They're in the right, this is preposterous and they shouldn't be fed like prisoners. There's no shortage of food in America, they should get traditional American sized proportions. People have no idea how much food is wasted over here, they could supply excess food from restaurants and college dining halls that usually get thrown away despite being perfectly fine for consumption.

Those are usually enough for two people , which is why many Yanks are obese.

 

[Giannis]

We dont know his circumstances but seems a young, healthy guy. Likely to be an economic migrant. The chap should chill, he will be eating supersized hamburgers soon. Perhaps he was expecting a bottle of Tennesse whisky with his two fish and veg.

Well if his parole is still pending then he can't legally work yet so until then it's going to be tough for them, Until they have their papers Muslim charities and mosques in the area should provide them with halal food.

 

[Giannis]

Those are usually enough for two people , which is why many Yanks are obese.

Nah we're just thicc

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well if his parole is still pending then he can't legally work yet so until then it's going to be tough for them, Until they have their papers Muslim charities and mosques in the area should provide them with halal food.

What is parole for a refugee?

US wants to be generous now.

US to give each incoming Afghan evacuee up to $2,275 in aid

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/9/3/us-to-give-each-incoming-afghan-evacuee-up-to-2275-in-aid

Give his money or your tax money so he can pop out to Burger King, the stress is real.

 

[Giannis]

What is parole for a refugee?

US wants to be generous now.



https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/9/3/us-to-give-each-incoming-afghan-evacuee-up-to-2275-in-aid

Give his money or your tax money so he can pop out to Burger King, the stress is real.

Parole is like a temporary permit to stay and work in the country until your asylum case is approved and then you become a permanent resident. Honestly, I don't mind, they're gonna need help to assimilate and adjust to life in a new country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Parole is like a temporary permit to stay and work in the country until your asylum case is approved and then you become a permanent resident. Honestly, I don't mind, they're gonna need help to assimilate and adjust to life in a new country.

Thanks. Agree if you're going to allow in refugees after telling the world, they arent safe, look after them properly.

I find it interesting US is a nation of immigrants, apart from Mexicans, most from around the world are welcomed in. This is the one aspect of the US I admired, far ahead of the UK. UK is also welcoming , families are taking in refugees as they did with Syrians. But there is also a deep rooted hatred for immigrants as some Brits are deluded by history, thinking they are special because the empire. But now I see Americans turning on immigrants too.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We dont know his circumstances but seems a young, healthy guy. Likely to be an economic migrant. The chap should chill, he will be eating supersized hamburgers soon. Perhaps he was expecting a bottle of Tennesse whisky with his two fish and veg.

Yes I think probably an economic migrant. Genuine refugees fleeing for their lives would be happy with any food, not carping over their rations. Should show a bit more grace to their hosts, they could always have stayed in Afghanistan, no one was twisting their arms to head for the US.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Taliban warned these namak haram opportunists to stay put and not soil your pants and betray your nation and people.

They are unthankful by nature. We know it, we have seen it.
This backstabber who uploaded the photo should be sent back to Afghanistan ... he will get better food.

 

[Giannis]

They are unthankful by nature. We know it, we have seen it.
This backstabber who uploaded the photo should be sent back to Afghanistan ... he will get better food.

Taliban warned these namak haram opportunists to stay put and not soil your pants and betray your nation and people.

Btw the guy in question is a Hazara, he's not your typical Afghan nationalist. Hazaras are our friends and an important part of Pakistani society. They're one of the most persecuted ethnic groups in the world and have never been valued in Afghan society.

 

[gazza619]

Beggars cant be choosers.

 

[Major]

Dont see anything wrong. He is a refugee and they could fees him better for gods sake. Cooking in bulk is much cheaper in fact.

Besides its the country that destroyed his country....

Many of you have issues that he left afghanistan, where you suport the taliban

 

[PakLFC]

No matter who or what his political opinions are everyone deserves much more food then that. These poor people are getting hell from everywhere left, right and centre. Not sure if he would have been fed better had he remained in Afghanistan under the Taliban regime or sought asylum in Pak. Taliban governing Afghanistan may mean and end to Indian terrorism from their, unfortunately those escaping them for a better life in America seem to have it just as bad as they had imagined. Most likely Afghan refugee's in Pak get much more food yet still such people continue supporting America.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

No matter who or what his political opinions are everyone deserves much more food then that. These poor people are getting hell from everywhere left, right and centre. Not sure if he would have been fed better had he remained in Afghanistan under the Taliban regime or sought asylum in Pak. Taliban governing Afghanistan may mean and end to Indian terrorism from their, unfortunately those escaping them for a better life in America seem to have it just as bad as they had imagined. Most likely Afghan refugee's in Pak get much more food yet still such people continue supporting America.

I don't think any one of them were under any threat from Talibans unless they had carried arms and chose to fight against Talibans.
Talibans gave an open amnesty/forgiveness to ALL and the biggest proof was opening up all jails and freed all the prisoners.

Talibans were not gonna kill someone JUST BECAUSE he was a Hazara or a Pushtun or a Northern Alliance or if he worked with Americans or if he was an interpreter etc.

None of them India's rear end licking back stabbers actually needed to leave Afghanistan because their lives were in danger. No. I am not ready to accept this excuse.

They could've simply gone on with their lives and continued to do their legal business or work to earn a living in Afghanistan. NO Talibans were gonna stop them from doing so.

However, the dream of coming to America comes natural to billions of people. And many go through lots and lots of hardships after arriving here.

This unthankful bunch should feel blessed to have been provided free housing that many new immigrants can't easily afford.
And this food thing is also temporary. Pretty soon they will be out, doing their business and earning better.
No need to throw your toys out of the prom for this very superficial and temporary issue.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't think any one of them were under any threat from Talibans unless they had carried arms and chose to fight against Talibans.
Talibans gave an open amnesty/forgiveness to ALL and the biggest proof was opening up all jails and freed all the prisoners.

Talibans were not gonna kill someone JUST BECAUSE he was a Hazara or a Pushtun or a Northern Alliance or if he worked with Americans or if he was an interpreter etc.

None of them India's rear end licking back stabbers actually needed to leave Afghanistan because their lives were in danger. No. I am not ready to accept this excuse.

They could've simply gone on with their lives and continued to do their legal business or work to earn a living in Afghanistan. NO Talibans were gonna stop them from doing so.

However, the dream of coming to America comes natural to billions of people. And many go through lots and lots of hardships after arriving here.

This unthankful bunch should feel blessed to have been provided free housing that many new immigrants can't easily afford.
And this food thing is also temporary. Pretty soon they will be out, doing their business and earning better.
No need to throw your toys out of the prom for this very superficial and temporary issue.

Obviously the assurances provided by the Talib's were not enough to satisfy them otherwise they would have stayed. Perhaps they left due to the classic belief of things being so awesome in India where they would live like royalty or honoured guests for helping the American's.

So why in your opinion did they leave if not for money or a supposed better lifestyle? As i said before they would have gotten more food in Pak or should have told India to take them in since Bakshi, Goswami, Sudhir and Arya love and care for hem so much. Here was the perfect opportunity for India to show their never ending love for such people.

Talib's despite insisting on forgiving all enemies could very well have killed them....no one would have known if they had done so. I am no lover of enemies of Pakistan and yes to a great extent they do deserve harsh treatment for trysting the American's but under Nawaz and Zardari's regime we were also with the American's too. Free housing without much food will not help them much moreover the American's could very well send them back in a few months or years.

No one is throwing anything other then you! Have a bit of humanity for people who have suffered enough over the years. Easy for you to be so judgemental sitting behind a box. Most people in dire need would have taken America's money in return for being informers. Try staying hungry for a few days before lecturing those who don't know where there next meal is coming from.

 

[topspin]

Dont see anything wrong. He is a refugee and they could fees him better for gods sake. Cooking in bulk is much cheaper in fact.

Besides its the country that destroyed his country....

Many of you have issues that he left afghanistan, where you suport the taliban

This is the problem here. Just like you, I've been disturbed by the number of veiled Taliban supporters. You can see from some of their posts that the mask eventually slips off.

I am against the Western intervention but that doesn't mean we should support the Taliban. Unfortunately, I guess it's expected from the typical religious extremist mentality from our so-called defenders of the Ummah.

People lose their mind when Israelis are killing Palestinians (as they should) but don't bat an eyelid when Muslims are killing other Muslims, like the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan and Saudis in Yemen.

The bottomline is doesn't matter if you're Muslim or non-Muslim we should be united in humanity.

 

[Tubs]

Of course they have the right to complain, they deserve to be treated like a sentient being should.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I dont even think he complained!

I read it more as a message to say life as a refugee isnt easy.

To me it seems like he didnt criticize the US and his comments seem to be wildly misinterpreted.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is the problem here. Just like you, I've been disturbed by the number of veiled Taliban supporters. You can see from some of their posts that the mask eventually slips off.

I am against the Western intervention but that doesn't mean we should support the Taliban. Unfortunately, I guess it's expected from the typical religious extremist mentality from our so-called defenders of the Ummah.

People lose their mind when Israelis are killing Palestinians (as they should) but don't bat an eyelid when Muslims are killing other Muslims, like the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan and Saudis in Yemen.

The bottomline is doesn't matter if you're Muslim or non-Muslim we should be united in humanity.

The Taliban cannot be compared to the Saudis in Yemen. The Taliban have largely been peaceful (this time) whereas the Saudi campaign has been the most heinous in human history.

With that being said I generally agree with the rest of your post. I mean who in their right mind would want to live under the Taliban. If I was an Afghan and the option was presented to me to leave I would take it, hands down. Anybody who says otherwise is a liar.

 

[saeedhk]

Taliban warned these namak haram opportunists to stay put and not soil your pants and betray your nation and people.

You are saying this while sitting in the UK. Perfect!

 

[Robert]

Dont see anything wrong. He is a refugee and they could fees him better for gods sake. Cooking in bulk is much cheaper in fact.

Besides its the country that destroyed his country....

Many of you have issues that he left afghanistan, where you suport the taliban

Destroyed is inaccurate. Afghanistan underwent growth under the ISAF mandate. Women going to college. Infrastructure development.

He should be grateful. The meal is small but balanced and nutritious.

 

[topspin]

The Taliban cannot be compared to the Saudis in Yemen. The Taliban have largely been peaceful (this time) whereas the Saudi campaign has been the most heinous in human history.

With that being said I generally agree with the rest of your post. I mean who in their right mind would want to live under the Taliban. If I was an Afghan and the option was presented to me to leave I would take it, hands down. Anybody who says otherwise is a liar.

Exactly this. Imagine being a Taliban supporter/sympathiser and calling out Afghans for moving out to the west as a "namak haram" or "opportunist" whilst sitting in the comfort of somewhere in the UK/Europe/USA.

Taliban have so far been relatively peaceful compared to the previous regime but time will tell if they will maintain this approach. Eventually I think we will see their true colours.

 

[Major]

This is the problem here. Just like you, I've been disturbed by the number of veiled Taliban supporters. You can see from some of their posts that the mask eventually slips off.

I am against the Western intervention but that doesn't mean we should support the Taliban. Unfortunately, I guess it's expected from the typical religious extremist mentality from our so-called defenders of the Ummah.

People lose their mind when Israelis are killing Palestinians (as they should) but don't bat an eyelid when Muslims are killing other Muslims, like the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan and Saudis in Yemen.

The bottomline is doesn't matter if you're Muslim or non-Muslim we should be united in humanity.

people in Pakistan dont care about humanity, its about muslim world for them.

 

[OMB]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-picture-pathetic-Fort-Bliss-food-ration.html

View attachment 111689



The meal is a joke, rescue dogs get more in 24 hrs. But I have little sympathy for this man. He is young, has an opportunity to live in the USA, so should appreciate his life ahead and accept the Yanks dont care about Afghans, its all politcal pandering to continue their 'we are the good guys' image, which in reality doesnt exist anymore.

to think I used to survive on this during my college hostel days. But who could I blame? I was saving money for my next pack of cigarettes.
This guy has a better diet and is fortunate to have someone else to blame afterall.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly this. Imagine being a Taliban supporter/sympathiser and calling out Afghans for moving out to the west as a "namak haram" or "opportunist" whilst sitting in the comfort of somewhere in the UK/Europe/USA.

Taliban have so far been relatively peaceful compared to the previous regime but time will tell if they will maintain this approach. Eventually I think we will see their true colours.

The person sitting in comfort is probably a tax paying UK/US/EU citizen, they are well within their rights to criticise refugees who come here, get free food, and then complain about the rations. I think the majority of people where I live wouldn't begrudge anyone some aid, but at least show some gratitude.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Obviously the assurances provided by the Talib's were not enough to satisfy them otherwise they would have stayed. Perhaps they left due to the classic belief of things being so awesome in India where they would live like royalty or honoured guests for helping the American's.

So why in your opinion did they leave if not for money or a supposed better lifestyle? As i said before they would have gotten more food in Pak or should have told India to take them in since Bakshi, Goswami, Sudhir and Arya love and care for hem so much. Here was the perfect opportunity for India to show their never ending love for such people.

Talib's despite insisting on forgiving all enemies could very well have killed them....no one would have known if they had done so. I am no lover of enemies of Pakistan and yes to a great extent they do deserve harsh treatment for trysting the American's but under Nawaz and Zardari's regime we were also with the American's too. Free housing without much food will not help them much moreover the American's could very well send them back in a few months or years.

No one is throwing anything other then you! Have a bit of humanity for people who have suffered enough over the years. Easy for you to be so judgemental sitting behind a box. Most people in dire need would have taken America's money in return for being informers. Try staying hungry for a few days before lecturing those who don't know where there next meal is coming from.

See the bold above.
Your entire premise is based on wild speculations, rudimentary assumptions and personal opinions, with no concrete evidence of that actually happening.

Are you saying that ALL such Afghanies are out of Afghanistan now, and hence Talibans are unable to prosecute them since they can't find any left in Afghanistan?

I am sure there are quite a few of such back stabbers left in Afghanistan. And if Taliabs wanted to slaughter them, we would've seen quite a few examples by now.

As I said, many new immigrants arriving into USA from the third world countries, can't even dream of having temp controlled free housing and protection from day one in USA, as these guys are provided with.

This temporary issue on the food portion size is negligible as to what they have been given. No need to act like a snowflake and start making public posts about it.
Jis thaali mein khana, ussi mein chait karna.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't think any one of them were under any threat from Talibans unless they had carried arms and chose to fight against Talibans.
Talibans gave an open amnesty/forgiveness to ALL and the biggest proof was opening up all jails and freed all the prisoners.

Talibans were not gonna kill someone JUST BECAUSE he was a Hazara or a Pushtun or a Northern Alliance or if he worked with Americans or if he was an interpreter etc.

None of them India's rear end licking back stabbers actually needed to leave Afghanistan because their lives were in danger. No. I am not ready to accept this excuse.

They could've simply gone on with their lives and continued to do their legal business or work to earn a living in Afghanistan. NO Talibans were gonna stop them from doing so.

However, the dream of coming to America comes natural to billions of people. And many go through lots and lots of hardships after arriving here.

This unthankful bunch should feel blessed to have been provided free housing that many new immigrants can't easily afford.
And this food thing is also temporary. Pretty soon they will be out, doing their business and earning better.
No need to throw your toys out of the prom for this very superficial and temporary issue.

Superb post for the most part. I have no issue with Afghan refugees leaving for Pakistan, England, Canada or wherever, but go in friendship wherever you go, we don't need the hatred as part of the baggage.

 

[topspin]

The person sitting in comfort is probably a tax paying UK/US/EU citizen, they are well within their rights to criticise refugees who come here, get free food, and then complain about the rations. I think the majority of people where I live wouldn't begrudge anyone some aid, but at least show some gratitude.

For crying out loud have some humanity.

Are you another one of those veiled Taliban supporter/sympathiser that I was referring to earlier?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

For crying out loud have some humanity.

Are you another one of those veiled Taliban supporter/sympathiser that I was referring to earlier?

so, a refugee who got a free flight to USA and was provided with free housing, security and protection, but received a small portion of food, is the fault of Talibans?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

For crying out loud have some humanity.

Are you another one of those veiled Taliban supporter/sympathiser that I was referring to earlier?

What difference does it make whether I am a veiled Taliban, veiled Isis or veiled belly dancer from Egypt? I'm just pointing out that if someone is sitting in the west, that doesn't negate their opinion. Fight the argument, not the individual if you want to make your point more coherent.

 

[topspin]

What difference does it make whether I am a veiled Taliban, veiled Isis or veiled belly dancer from Egypt? I'm just pointing out that if someone is sitting in the west, that doesn't negate their opinion. Fight the argument, not the individual if you want to make your point more coherent.

I did address your post in the first line of my response. Now any chance you will answer the question?

 

[sweep_shot]

Probably not enough food for one person.

If I were him, I would still be grateful. He at least has something to eat.

 

[ahmedzee]

Beggars can't be choosers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Destroyed is inaccurate. Afghanistan underwent growth under the ISAF mandate. Women going to college. Infrastructure development.

He should be grateful. The meal is small but balanced and nutritious.

They probably think he's fasting & its cheat day.

Its very small but he's hiding his bread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dont see anything wrong. He is a refugee and they could fees him better for gods sake. Cooking in bulk is much cheaper in fact.

Besides its the country that destroyed his country....

Many of you have issues that he left afghanistan, where you suport the taliban

Exactly this. Imagine being a Taliban supporter/sympathiser and calling out Afghans for moving out to the west as a "namak haram" or "opportunist" whilst sitting in the comfort of somewhere in the UK/Europe/USA.

Taliban have so far been relatively peaceful compared to the previous regime but time will tell if they will maintain this approach. Eventually I think we will see their true colours.

Very poor argument.

This news is from the United States of America. Try reading the link, you will see White Americans telling him to go back to Afghanistan, he should be grateful, soldiers died because of him etc etc.

Are they also Taliban supporters? lol.

The topic and debate here is do refugees have a right to criticise their food, conditions on arriving in a land to save their lives? No, it makes no sense all.

 

[Giannis]

to think I used to survive on this during my college hostel days. But who could I blame? I was saving money for my next pack of cigarettes.
This guy has a better diet and is fortunate to have someone else to blame afterall.

well you lived in a third world country, that is an unacceptable dinner in the US.

 

[Robert]

They probably think he's fasting & its cheat day.

Its very small but he's hiding his bread.

You’re ok, Mr [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION].

 

[PakLFC]

See the bold above.
Your entire premise is based on wild speculations, rudimentary assumptions and personal opinions, with no concrete evidence of that actually happening.

Are you saying that ALL such Afghanies are out of Afghanistan now, and hence Talibans are unable to prosecute them since they can't find any left in Afghanistan?

I am sure there are quite a few of such back stabbers left in Afghanistan. And if Taliabs wanted to slaughter them, we would've seen quite a few examples by now.

As I said, many new immigrants arriving into USA from the third world countries, can't even dream of having temp controlled free housing and protection from day one in USA, as these guys are provided with.

This temporary issue on the food portion size is negligible as to what they have been given. No need to act like a snowflake and start making public posts about it.
Jis thaali mein khana, ussi mein chait karna.

And your views seem to be based on what the western or Indian media are telling you! Mines are on independent sources including Indian ones. I am saying that people who left Afghanistan did so under the assumption that they would be killed. The Taliban may be oppressors but would have learnt from the many past mistakes they made prior to 9/11. I am also telling you that there is much false propaganda against them so to dehumanise them.

Make your points clear as to exactly what you are on about? Are you an Indian understandably wiping his tears now that your country has been thrown out of Afghanistan or an Indian pretending to be a Pakistani? At times it seems you are in agreement with me so I am a little confused here.

Would you rather be living in a home without electricity yet being fed well or living in a palace with meagre food resources? I would much rather the former. These people wrongly left for America like most do thinking money would be growing on tree's there for them. They are not the first or last people to think this way about western countries. First starve yourself for a few days then get back to me ace telling me how you feel! You don't know the circumstances these people have been threw....America offered them money and a way out that they accepted. I don't know what is up your nose getting so upset about this issue! I am saying many of the informer have been taken out and now being treated this way.

There is nothing about your bolded part worthy of second thoughts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I did address your post in the first line of my response. Now any chance you will answer the question?

No as it is not relevant to the topic.

 

[topspin]

Very poor argument.

This news is from the United States of America. Try reading the link, you will see White Americans telling him to go back to Afghanistan, he should be grateful, soldiers died because of him etc etc.

Are they also Taliban supporters? lol.

The topic and debate here is do refugees have a right to criticise their food, conditions on arriving in a land to save their lives? No, it makes no sense all.

There have a recent track record of defending the Taliban. In fact there are quite a few posters on here who are defending them.

Bad times we live in I guess.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There have a recent track record of defending the Taliban. In fact there are quite a few posters on here who are defending them.

Bad times we live in I guess.

Still discussing posters rather than the topic I see.

Try asking the majority of Americans, or Brits for that matter, whether they think we should be taking on more refugees from Afghanistan, and giving them bigger portions of food. Maybe they are all Taliban supporters as well.

 

[wajid]

Really strange thinking and arguments in this thread. The guy I am assuming is most probably on an SIV(Special Immigrant VISA). Leave aside those racist commenters commonly found on right wing sites, but the point here is he is receiving inadequate portions despite being in US and on a US military base. Let me assure you that there is no scenario where there is a shortage of food or funds. But we know from treatment of of the immigrants in camps like for those coming from Mexico border that sometimes racist officials do impose these conditions on migrants out of sheer contempt.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Really strange thinking and arguments in this thread. The guy I am assuming is most probably on an SIV(Special Immigrant VISA). Leave aside those racist commenters commonly found on right wing sites, but the point here is he is receiving inadequate portions despite being in US and on a US military base. Let me assure you that there is no scenario where there is a shortage of food or funds. But we know from treatment of of the immigrants in camps like for those coming from Mexico border that sometimes racist officials do impose these conditions on migrants out of sheer contempt.

No one is asking these immigrants to come here, they aren't doing us a favour. My parents came to Britain as immigrants and they had to earn every penny to live, no one gave them any handouts. Now me and my family's tax contributions are paying for the social welfare of many poorer Britons across our region.

 

[wajid]

No one is asking these immigrants to come here, they aren't doing us a favour. My parents came to Britain as immigrants and they had to earn every penny to live, no one gave them any handouts. Now me and my family's tax contributions are paying for the social welfare of many poorer Britons across our region.

That’s not the point. They will earn their living when allowed to work. But until they are in care of one of the most prosperous nations in the entire history of world on their military bases, who accidentally never stops moral pontification on human rights, this is unacceptable. Because this is not due to lack of means but lack of will.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That’s not the point. They will earn their living when allowed to work. But until they are in care of one of the most prosperous nations in the entire history of world on their military bases, who accidentally never stops moral pontification on human rights, this is unacceptable. Because this is not due to lack of means but lack of will.

I guess the refugee might have a similar mindset. USA is the land of milk and honey so maybe he was expecting steak and chips with chocolate pudding for dessert.

 

[wajid]

I guess the refugee might have a similar mindset. USA is the land of milk and honey so maybe he was expecting steak and chips with chocolate pudding for dessert.

Since it is Texas then any decent burrito or chili with chocolate chip cookie as desert will also work

 

[KingKhanWC]

There have a recent track record of defending the Taliban. In fact there are quite a few posters on here who are defending them.

Bad times we live in I guess.

More have a record of supporting bombing children into bits by Yanks and their lapdogs.

Afghan refugees are arriving in the UK. Will you be helping them with housing, food and perhaps cutting their lawn? Wondering if the support is real or just anti-Taliban?

 

[JaDed]

Esp in Texas they have the right to complain for that proportion , hopefully he exhausted the email/complaint method to authorities before going on social media.

 

[topspin]

More have a record of supporting bombing children into bits by Yanks and their lapdogs.

Afghan refugees are arriving in the UK. Will you be helping them with housing, food and perhaps cutting their lawn? Wondering if the support is real or just anti-Taliban?

Being anti-Taliban does not mean that I support the western invasion of Afghanistan. I’m equally disgusted by the actions of the western governments as well who are also complicit in committing war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. You have repeated this point again an again but not a word from you to condemn the actions of the Taliban. Any reason why?

The presence of America and co in Afghanistan is a past matter now, lets focus on present affairs. The Taliban are a terrorist group and if you cannot denounce them then truth be told you are also part of the problem.

There are a significant number of Muslims with extremist views (especially in the UK) and it’s important for those who don’t share their mindset to distance themselves from their misguidance.

I regularly donate money to Islamic charities where the funds are allocated to where it’s most needed, so yes the support is very much real

 

[KingKhanWC]

Being anti-Taliban does not mean that I support the western invasion of Afghanistan. I’m equally disgusted by the actions of the western governments as well who are also complicit in committing war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. You have repeated this point again an again but not a word from you to condemn the actions of the Taliban. Any reason why?

The presence of America and co in Afghanistan is a past matter now, lets focus on present affairs. The Taliban are a terrorist group and if you cannot denounce them then truth be told you are also part of the problem.

There are a significant number of Muslims with extremist views (especially in the UK) and it’s important for those who don’t share their mindset to distance themselves from their misguidance.

I regularly donate money to Islamic charities where the funds are allocated to where it’s most needed, so yes the support is very much real

Reason is I dont pay taxes to the Taliban. I pay taxes to UK government who is allied with USA and others who have done more terrorism than most of the world put together. Taliban mean nothing to me, I dont support them or criticise them. But my general military opinion is they have a right to self defence. They have also won the war, as stated by many Americans themselves.

There are even more people in the UK with extremist views who are not Muslims. We dont speak or anyone , Muslims or others but only for ourselves.

Good to donate money but you wont be housing refugees, so no issue of them complaining you dont give them less chappatis.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Reason is I dont pay taxes to the Taliban. I pay taxes to UK government who is allied with USA and others who have done more terrorism than most of the world put together. Taliban mean nothing to me, I dont support them or criticise them. But my general military opinion is they have a right to self defence. They have also won the war, as stated by many Americans themselves.

There are even more people in the UK with extremist views who are not Muslims. We dont speak or anyone , Muslims or others but only for ourselves.

Good to donate money but you wont be housing refugees, so no issue of them complaining you dont give them less chappatis.

Matter of fact, I would like to see a few donations going out towards the U.S. Army by all those who are concerned here with the food portion size.
These donations should help putting more food on the plates for these refugees.

$1, anyone?

 

[wajid]

Matter of fact, I would like to see a few donations going out towards the U.S. Army by all those who are concerned here with the food portion size.
These donations should help putting more food on the plates for these refugees.

$1, anyone?

Silly reasoning. Had these refugees been stationed in Pakistan or any third world country then no one would have been crying on portion sizes. People just fail to understand that US and especially while being stationed on US military base is entirely different. They can feed them with decency and dignity without any financial burden.

We saw this inhumane reasoning for Latin American migrants from trump administration as well who considered giving toothbrush, blanket and basic healthcare to people in their custody as luxury. Sometimes I really feel thankful that US is global power and not China, India or any other like minded country. At least in US we have significant numbers of social rights activists with bleeding hearts that have paved the general public opinion for human decency and dignity as necessary on US soil at least.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Silly reasoning. Had these refugees been stationed in Pakistan or any third world country then no one would have been crying on portion sizes. People just fail to understand that US and especially while being stationed on US military base is entirely different. They can feed them with decency and dignity without any financial burden.

We saw this inhumane reasoning for Latin American migrants from trump administration as well who considered giving toothbrush, blanket and basic healthcare to people in their custody as luxury. Sometimes I really feel thankful that US is global power and not China, India or any other like minded country. At least in US we have significant numbers of social rights activists with bleeding hearts that have paved the general public opinion for human decency and dignity as necessary on US soil at least.

I was reading reports yesterday that China is building roads and rail networks in Africa, maybe they aren't as evil as you Americans would like to paint them. Bleeding hearts and bombs aren't likely to win hearts and minds as fast as infrastructure.

 

[topspin]

Reason is I dont pay taxes to the Taliban. I pay taxes to UK government who is allied with USA and others who have done more terrorism than most of the world put together. Taliban mean nothing to me, I dont support them or criticise them. But my general military opinion is they have a right to self defence. They have also won the war, as stated by many Americans themselves.

There are even more people in the UK with extremist views who are not Muslims. We dont speak or anyone , Muslims or others but only for ourselves.

Good to donate money but you wont be housing refugees, so no issue of them complaining you dont give them less chappatis.

I would buy into this argument of yours however you do not shy away from voicing your anti-US, anti-Israeli and pro-China propaganda, some of which I agree but I certainly do not agree with your Pro-China bias when you consider the fact that over a million Uighur Muslims are held in concentration camps, forced to drink alcohol and eat pork.

But that's not even the worst of it, lets not forget that they're sterilising these women and carrying out organ harvesting, yet you still defend the Chinese at every opportunity on this forum.

I'm not deeply religious and I honestly hate lecturing people but as a brother let me give you some advice, which I hope you will take heed to, as I'm sure like myself you believe in the next phases of our life after the Dunya, with the life of the grave followed by the day of judgement.

On the day of judgement you will be asked as to why you defended the oppressors of the Uighur Muslims. What are you going to say to the Almighty?

I'm man of many sins and far from perfect but I could never live with myself if I defended the oppression of the Chinese especially as they are a far more brutal regime than the Americans and even the Israelis. You have been yearning for them to be the no.1 superpower of the world. God forbid if that day ever comes because going by all the atrocities they are committing to the Uighurs, it will be even darker days for the Ummah.

I have a feeling you will say this is all western propaganda but I assure you the information I got is from Uighurs themselves.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I would buy into this argument of yours however you do not shy away from voicing your anti-US, anti-Israeli and pro-China propaganda, some of which I agree but I certainly do not agree with your Pro-China bias when you consider the fact that over a million Uighur Muslims are held in concentration camps, forced to drink alcohol and eat pork.

But that's not even the worst of it, lets not forget that they're sterilising these women and carrying out organ harvesting, yet you still defend the Chinese at every opportunity on this forum.

I'm not deeply religious and I honestly hate lecturing people but as a brother let me give you some advice, which I hope you will take heed to, as I'm sure like myself you believe in the next phases of our life after the Dunya, with the life of the grave followed by the day of judgement.

On the day of judgement you will be asked as to why you defended the oppressors of the Uighur Muslims. What are you going to say to the Almighty?

I'm man of many sins and far from perfect but I could never live with myself if I defended the oppression of the Chinese especially as they are a far more brutal regime than the Americans and even the Israelis. You have been yearning for them to be the no.1 superpower of the world. God forbid if that day ever comes because going by all the atrocities they are committing to the Uighurs, it will be even darker days for the Ummah.

I have a feeling you will say this is all western propaganda but I assure you the information I got is from Uighurs themselves.

I appreciate any sincere advice & im probably similar to you in many ways of life, so I get it.

Justice is very important for all. My issue is I cannot verify or see any independant evidence of much of the claims(see the thread). The other issue is its an ethnic conflict , a conflict of seperation from state. Muslims cannot support this if there is no persecuation against the everyone of that faith. Most Chinese Muslims live a very good life. Any that are subjected to injustice by the Chinese state deserve better, the state deserves condemation. If I see 5 big strong men abusing a smaller man, I have no 2nd thoughts helping this person. Fear of pain isnt a huge issue for me, justice is and defending the oppressed is.

 

[topspin]

I appreciate any sincere advice & im probably similar to you in many ways of life, so I get it.

Justice is very important for all. My issue is I cannot verify or see any independant evidence of much of the claims(see the thread). The other issue is its an ethnic conflict , a conflict of seperation from state. Muslims cannot support this if there is no persecuation against the everyone of that faith. Most Chinese Muslims live a very good life. Any that are subjected to injustice by the Chinese state deserve better, the state deserves condemation. If I see 5 big strong men abusing a smaller man, I have no 2nd thoughts helping this person. Fear of pain isnt a huge issue for me, justice is and defending the oppressed is.

Yeah I admit it's not the easiest task to verify what's happening China as the Chinese are reluctant to allow journalists to go anywhere near these camps.

Having read your post, it has convinced me that you do care about justice and defending the oppressed.

So, much respect for that.