Afghanistan vs England warm up shows Pakistani bowlers have no clue!

[Mean&Green]

So at the moment Afghanistan are 97/8 against England in the warm up what they also should have been against Pakistan if Pakistan bowled according to a set plan. Our bowlers haven’t even analyzed any of the players or what their weaknesses are, they just come in and bowl pretty much. Afghnistans hit or miss opener zazai smashed shaheen cause he kept bowling him wide and today archer had a set plan which he executed right away and gave him no room bowled it short perfectly head height and got the openers wicket. Our bowling is not bad it’s just the bowlers are clueless bowling slower balls in the first ten overs and coming around the wicket for no damn reason which even frustrated the likes of wasim akram. I don’t know what the bowling coach is doing but I didn’t see a single bowler from Pakistan execute his plans properly except for Wahab Riaz, who hasn’t even been a part of this side since 2 years which goes onto show our incompetency and how clueless we are as a team. If we keep bowling the way we have been me might as well be out of the tournament by the time we play arch rivals India.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Some people said we have the best bowling attack in the world.

 

[Titan24]

Other times have plans and tactics. Even Joe Root has taken couple of wickets.

In modern day cricket if you dont have a strategy and different plans, irrespective of the talent you have on most occasions you will look like a FC team or a club side.

 

[Mean&Green]

Some people said we have the best bowling attack in the world.

It’s never been the best a huge myth it’s just better than Sri Lanka maybe but if you are playing against Afghanistan an extremely inexperienced and top 2 reliant nation which should always be dismissed for nothing more than 180 you just have to bowl to their weaknesses and they will give their wickets away but shaheen instead of abusing zazai in Pashto could have bowled him to his weakness and gotten better of him instead decided to be cool and got smacked in return

 

[Boi]

That’s why you need someone with a good bowling mind like Asif as your bowling coach. Not a fumbling, mumbling Azhar Mahmood.

 

[PakWC'11Champs]

The wicket could play into it.

Some wickets are flat and don't get much movement. So then you need discipline and pace. Variety. Good field placements.

 

[Mean&Green]

That’s why you need someone with a good bowling mind like Asif as your bowling coach. Not a fumbling, mumbling Azhar Mahmood.

Honestly England were bowling spinners for a little while so Afghanistan could score a little more so England can get some good batting practice as soon as England thought it’s time to wrap it up they brought their ace pacer Jofra Archer and he finished it off

 

[Artaxerxes]

England could have restricted Afghanistan to around 110 if it wanted to.England allowed Afghanistan to score another 40-50 runs to let England batsmen practice against Afghan spinners.

 

[pakistani pride]

Some people said we have the best bowling attack in the world.

Yes, to be proven right in the WC.
Hilarious how 1 warm up game is hyped to the moon.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Afghani batsmen thought pak bowlers were bowling. Zazai is a hack so it was expected.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Yes, to be proven right in the WC.
Hilarious how 1 warm up game is hyped to the moon.

Sure the 11 losses in a row must be because of best attack in the world.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Sure the 11 losses in a row must be because of best attack in the world.

5 was against aus. Hasan didn't play, Shaheen, shadab. 1 was against sa. 4 against a very strong eng side.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

5 was against aus. Hasan didn't play, Shaheen, shadab. 1 was against sa. 4 against a very strong eng side.

So it is the best attack in the world.

Make up your mind.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Sure the 11 losses in a row must be because of best attack in the world.

10 losses, the one against Afghanistan doesn’t count. Also it’s better to have that mandatory bad day out of the way, one mistake that Pakistan made is not brining Wahab for the English Tour. He will have a major role this World Cup

 

[Ronaldo7]

So it is the best attack in the world.

Make up your mind.

When did i say they're the best attack??
I'm just saying they're not as bad as people are saying.

 

[PakLFC]

England are a much better team then Pak that is very obvious. Pak need to win their first match versus the Windies. I think we took Afghanistan too lightly unlike the English who are giving them a proper thumping. England would have wanted a better last warm up opponent then Afghanistan. Our fielding is school boy stuff compared to that of the English where we give away 20 extra runs every innings to our opponent.

 

[Ronaldo7]

England are a much better team then Pak that is very obvious. Pak need to win their first match versus the Windies. I think we took Afghanistan too lightly unlike the English who are giving them a proper thumping. England would have wanted a better last warm up opponent then Afghanistan. Our fielding is school boy stuff compared to that of the English where we give away 20 extra runs every innings to our opponent.

They played against Aus first. All teams are playing against one strong team and one weak (barring pak).

 

[PakLFC]

They played against Aus first. All teams are playing against one strong team and one weak (barring pak).

...and they lost to Aus. Our match versus Bangladesh was washed out putting us at a disadvantage of sorts compared to those who have played two. We have however played four one days versus England that should have made the boys familiar with conditions. Point is lets not be too pessimistic just yet about our chances.

 

[Titan24]

Sure the 11 losses in a row must be because of best attack in the world.

Eng of 2015 and Eng of 2019.

How players are managed and used completely changes the outlook of the team.

Anyone can see Pak team is a poorly managed, bowlers like Amir and Hassan who were being regarded as world class just a couple of years ago cant suddenly become club level and same thing has happened with others. If it would have been only one bowler performing less than his potential than it would have been another matter but every single bowler going downhill tells something isnt right.

Australian team looked mediocre under Mickey Arther, Eng looked mediocre under Peter Moores and there are number of other examples. That doesnt necessarily mean talent has suddenly vanished.

All we can hope is that we can see few individual performances like we did in CT 17 and hopefully after the WC some decent team management and selection committees are put in place.

 

[FreakCricket]

England did us dirty by making belters for the series and now there's juice in the pitch our batsman are not ready.

 

[MMHS]

When did i say they're the best attack??
I'm just saying they're not as bad as people are saying.

No, they are even worse - start to admit that things are not happening, otherwise it'll stuck at that level.

You remind every time that it was a back-up PAK team, but have you noticed whom Aussies played? If you can analyze game - Aussies were actually equally if not more under strength than PAK, even not considering that they were playing in UAE after 5-6 years. Whom were PAK missing - apart from Babar, a bunch of average cricketers, whose replacements didn't do much worse .... Do you think these MoHa, Fakhar, Hasan, Shadab, Sarfraz, Asif ....... would have done much better than Haris, Rizwan, Abid, Umar, Shan, Yasir or whoever played there? Imam ul Haq played 3 games for 20/60 stats, which was worse than Shan Masood. Usman Shinwari was the peak bowler, who is not even in WC squad and Amir/Hasnain combined out put was 1 wicket (probably for 200+ average and 7+ economy). And missing the Captaincy MoJo of Sarfraz - FGS, stop .........

In contrary, what Aussies were missing is world's premier 2 batsmen, who'll walk into any XI in this WC, the MoS of last WC and the hottest fast bowling prospect for next decade (Cummins did play one game, and we have seen what he did). You should look it this way - 4 Aussie batsmen (of this WC) played there and each one blasted PAK attack ........ and their best 2 batsmen are not among these 4.

Don't try to sweep everything under carpet - Mickey Arthur is doing a fantastic job for that; let PP remain a genuine critic and expose the dart, it might work for WC.

 

[PakPremi]

I Indian bowling attack is also called best in the world and most balanced by some. They lost the series at home to Australia B or C and lost to New Zealand now.
Banging on about Paks 10 losses one has to remember that 5 matches against Aus was ayed with around 8 or 10 squad players rested. It is true though our bowling atm not hitting right line and lengths but they are not too bad either if they manage to get it right and with addition of Amir and Wahab there will be some confidence restored.

 

[nam]

The bowling plan is given by management, the video analyst who studies opposition and then show the weakness. This is what Rashid Latif pointed out in a program recently that while other teams have professionals analyst, Pakistan team has been given a part timer who used to make ‘Shadi videos’ the job of video analyst. He was really critical that we can’t be world beaters if their is the support staff given to team management.

 

[Ronaldo7]

No, they are even worse - start to admit that things are not happening, otherwise it'll stuck at that level.

You remind every time that it was a back-up PAK team, but have you noticed whom Aussies played? If you can analyze game - Aussies were actually equally if not more under strength than PAK, even not considering that they were playing in UAE after 5-6 years. Whom were PAK missing - apart from Babar, a bunch of average cricketers, whose replacements didn't do much worse .... Do you think these MoHa, Fakhar, Hasan, Shadab, Sarfraz, Asif ....... would have done much better than Haris, Rizwan, Abid, Umar, Shan, Yasir or whoever played there? Imam ul Haq played 3 games for 20/60 stats, which was worse than Shan Masood. Usman Shinwari was the peak bowler, who is not even in WC squad and Amir/Hasnain combined out put was 1 wicket (probably for 200+ average and 7+ economy). And missing the Captaincy MoJo of Sarfraz - FGS, stop .........

In contrary, what Aussies were missing is world's premier 2 batsmen, who'll walk into any XI in this WC, the MoS of last WC and the hottest fast bowling prospect for next decade (Cummins did play one game, and we have seen what he did). You should look it this way - 4 Aussie batsmen (of this WC) played there and each one blasted PAK attack ........ and their best 2 batsmen are not among these 4.

Don't try to sweep everything under carpet - Mickey Arthur is doing a fantastic job for that; let PP remain a genuine critic and expose the dart, it might work for WC.

The wc is around the corner. No point of arguing here we'll find out how good we are.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistani bowlers are rubbish. Not a single Pakistani bowler will find a space in any non minnow team. Such is the sorry state of this so called best bowling unit in the world.

 

[Cric1234]

The bowling wasn't great in 2017 but Hasan Ali hit form at the right time and others backed him up a similar thing needs to happen or it's curtains the batting won't be winning too many matches.
What's lacking also is a class spin bowler it was evident in the Aus series and against England fast bowlers haven't done much for a while it's time to step up or a bad World Cup beckons.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Agree, Shaheen has turned to crap. We need Wahab to save us this WC, he has a good record in WCs.

 

[moghul]

Some people said we have the best bowling attack in the world.

We have our own world.

 

[Abdullah]

So it is the best attack in the world.

Make up your mind.

I'm not saying it's the best , but no shadab, no amir, no Hasan Vs aus and afg, no hafeez ( important as 6th bowler)
Let's just wait and see.
Now Riaz has come in too and he wasn't in the previous 10 games either,

 

[Mean&Green]

The bowling plan is given by management, the video analyst who studies opposition and then show the weakness. This is what Rashid Latif pointed out in a program recently that while other teams have professionals analyst, Pakistan team has been given a part timer who used to make ‘Shadi videos’ the job of video analyst. He was really critical that we can’t be world beaters if their is the support staff given to team management.

Lol omg you watched that too I was gonna write all that too but cause of the forum rules you can’t write stuff in Urdu and etc so I didn’t bother but it’s true we don’t even have a proper video analyst it probably is a shaadi video guy

 

[giri26]

I Indian bowling attack is also called best in the world and most balanced by some. They lost the series at home to Australia B or C and lost to New Zealand now.
Banging on about Paks 10 losses one has to remember that 5 matches against Aus was ayed with around 8 or 10 squad players rested. It is true though our bowling atm not hitting right line and lengths but they are not too bad either if they manage to get it right and with addition of Amir and Wahab there will be some confidence restored.

It has nothing to do with the losses, Pakistan bowling has been poor over the last 18 months (Fact). They have not been able to take wickets and your best bowler Hasan Ali averages 42.29 in 23 matches at an economy rate of 5.81. That is poor by any standards and by the way, this includes the 3 games he played against Zimbabwe. Otherwise it will be even worse. India's batting struggled against Australia and that is an issue which all Indian fans are aware of.

 

[Mean&Green]

Agree, Shaheen has turned to crap. We need Wahab to save us this WC, he has a good record in WCs.

Shaheen will come good he’s a very good bowler but at the moment he’s put his brain on the side and bowling utter garbage. What’s with bowling slower balls at the start of the innings all of our bowlers it’s ridiculous like those are suppose to be used when batsmen are going after you at the death they ain’t effective at the beginning of the innings batsman have tons of time to play at the start hence they wait but these smart ***** think they’ll get a wicket with it

 

[Mean&Green]

Afghani batsmen thought pak bowlers were bowling. Zazai is a hack so it was expected.

Fakhar is a bigger hack than zazai

 

[nam]

Lol omg you watched that too I was gonna write all that too but cause of the forum rules you can’t write stuff in Urdu and etc so I didn’t bother but it’s true we don’t even have a proper video analyst it probably is a shaadi video guy

Yes I did and when I heard that I was like.. no wonder we don't have plans for specific batsmen like better oppositions do..

 

[Saj]

Alarming really how easily England beat Afghanistan, the same team we lost to.

 

[IAJ]

Alarming really how easily England beat Afghanistan, the same team we lost to.

On the other hand we were competitive against England so hopefully it was just a bad day in office against Afghans.

And many people here will be surprised by Pak when the tournament starts, especially some «experts» from Our neighbouring countries.

Pakistan won the CT with almost same bowlers and they will rise their game. Just watch how Hassan will bowl when he knows whole World is watching.

We need to stay positive.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

It doesn't show anything. Completely different pitch.

 

[NeVerMind]

Alarming really how easily England beat Afghanistan, the same team we lost to.

While our bowling is a major worry, the warm up games should not be over analysed as using the same logic:
Kiwis easily beat India who in turn got hammered by West Indies while India convincingly beat Bangladesh who won all 3 games against West Indies in the tourny prior to the warm ups...

 

[Tintin_FTW]

Shaheen's inexperience showed and Wahab was short of overs but got better as the match went on. Generally they bowled well and almost pulled off a win considering the sub-par score.

 

[MMHS]

AFGs had a chaseable target that day for PAK’s batting failure and they went for shots without any pressure in a practice game - did connect that day, particularly the openers, which put PAK on back foot. Against Poms, they were batting first to set a target, lost couple of early wickets and never had the batting discipline to recover.

One glaring limitation of PAK attack that day I can say is that 263 still was a decent target for Afghans - instead of making them feel like suffocating, PAK pacers went to blast them and lost control, wasting the new balls bowling regularly short & often wide. I am sure with a conventional attacking field, had PAK pacers bowled within channel and force their batsmen to drive on the rise close to body, PAK’s slip cordon would have been busy. Also, the spinners bowled too fast, too flat instead of taking out pace and making batsmen with poor footwork to reach out for the ball.

PAK bowlers actually gave a good clue to Pom bowlers about AFG batting, and they executed it perfectly- could even have got them for below 110, but Morgan wanted Roy & Johnny to bat a bit against Rashid.

 

[Chokli]

AFGs had a chaseable target that day for PAK’s batting failure and they went for shots without any pressure in a practice game - did connect that day, particularly the openers, which put PAK on back foot. Against Poms, they were batting first to set a target, lost couple of early wickets and never had the batting discipline to recover.

One glaring limitation of PAK attack that day I can say is that 263 still was a decent target for Afghans - instead of making them feel like suffocating, PAK pacers went to blast them and lost control, wasting the new balls bowling regularly short & often wide. I am sure with a conventional attacking field, had PAK pacers bowled within channel and force their batsmen to drive on the rise close to body, PAK’s slip cordon would have been busy. Also, the spinners bowled too fast, too flat instead of taking out pace and making batsmen with poor footwork to reach out for the ball.

PAK bowlers actually gave a good clue to Pom bowlers about AFG batting, and they executed it perfectly- could even have got them for below 110, but Morgan wanted Roy & Johnny to bat a bit against Rashid.

It was poor captaincy more than anything by Sarfi

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was poor captaincy more than anything by Sarfi

I don't know about the captaincy, but if the opening bowlers had just bowled a full length with the seam up then they would probably have got something from the wicket. No idea why they were bowling short or wide with a new ball.

 

[Chokli]

I don't know about the captaincy, but if the opening bowlers had just bowled a full length with the seam up then they would probably have got something from the wicket. No idea why they were bowling short or wide with a new ball.

I can agree with that... but how do you explain bowling Shadab in the penultimate over? Did we not learn anything from 2010 SF

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I can agree with that... but how do you explain bowling Shadab in the penultimate over? Did we not learn anything from 2010 SF

He's a poor captain. I asked that same question on the day, also questioned his customary boneheaded review which as usual he lost. But don't think the bowlers wasting the new ball was his fault, just brainless execution by the bowler.

 

[MMHS]

It was poor captaincy more than anything by Sarfi

He had his limitations (& hope in real game he won’t bring a leggi in front of a set lefti in penultimate over, with his pacers having overs unused), but for the opening spells, it was mostly Amir’s fault, and partially Wahab’s. These are two senior pacers without Hasan playing, they should have guided the young pair and set the tone from ball 1.

I expect Amir to be the bowling leader for PAK but that day he was all over the place. It was his reputation that Afghan batsmen didn’t go after him (& took full toll on Shaheen), but he will hardly get top order wickets on that bowling, particularly defending at least 35 under per. Wahab also went for short staff when AFG batsmen were trying to swing bat at anything away from body,

 

[slice]

I genuine wonder whether their bowling /posture/stance/form/little techniques... have been coached in such a way that they all start bowling short even while trying to hit a more decent fuller length.
As in they dont deliberately pitch the ball short and wide,rather the result of poor technique leads to misfires ?
I mean obviously the coaching is shady.Its been the same story over and over again.Promising young pacer comes in from the domestic.Starts hitting great lengths,impresses everyone ,we say "oh great! finally someone with a brain on his shoulders" ...then come next series they lose all sense of line and length.