After Donald Trump's warning, China jumps to the defense of Pakistan

[WebGuru]

BEIJING: China defended its ally Pakistan on Tuesday after the US President Donald Trump said the United States could no longer be silent about Pakistan’s “safe havens” for militants and warned it had much to lose by continuing to “harbour terrorists”.

Trump on Monday committed the United States to an open-ended conflict in Afghanistan, signalling he would dispatch more troops to America’s longest war and vowing “a fight to win”.

Trump insisted that others – the Afghan government, Pakistan, India and NATO allies – step up their own commitment to resolving the 16-year conflict, but he saved his sharpest words for Pakistan.

Senior US officials warned security assistance for Pakistan could be reduced unless the nuclear-armed nation cooperated more in preventing militants from using safe havens on its soil.

Critics say Pakistan sees militants such as the Taliban as useful tools to limit the influence of old rival India. Pakistan denies allowing militants refuge on its territory, saying it takes action against all groups.

Asked about Trump’s speech, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said Pakistan was on the front line in the struggle against terrorism and had made “great sacrifices” and “important contributions” in the fight.

“We believe that the international community should fully recognise Pakistan’s anti-terrorism,” she told a daily news briefing.

“We are happy to see Pakistan and the United States carry out anti-terror cooperation on the basis of mutual respect, and work together for security and stability in the region and world.”

China and Pakistan consider each other “all-weather friends” and have close diplomatic, economic and security ties.

China has its own security concerns in the region, in particular any links between militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Islamist groups China blames for violence in its far western region of Xinjiang.

“We hope the relevant US policies can help promote the security, stability and development of Afghanistan and the region,” Hua said.



Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/1488113/china-defends-ally-pakistan-trump-criticism/

 

[the Great Khan]

in other words trump , we have pakistans back because we just invested 46 billion and will defend that investment. The lines are being drawn.

 

[WebGuru]

in other words trump , we have pakistans back because we just invested 46 billion and will defend that investment. The lines are being drawn.

Actually the CPEC investment in more thn 50b+ now...

 

[shortbread]

in other words trump , we have pakistans back because we just invested 46 billion and will defend that investment. The lines are being drawn.

Not really, everyone knows China would not fire a bullet in the direction of America or its allies. They issue press statements with regularity and that's about it. Among the many times US disrespected Pakistan's sovereignty, the two telling ones were Abottabad and Salala! Both occasion US crossed the lines and all the chinese did were issue, wait for it.....press statements again!

Also the 50 bill figure bandied about is still on paper and a big chunk in loans. China and US are the worlds largest trade partners with Chinese annual export closing in on $600 billion a year. China cannot afford to be on the wrong side of the US and Xi is a very very smart man when it comes to trade. Also a couple of decades ago the establishment was sure America had pakistans back! nations are just like people, selfish when it comes to their own interests!

The best this Pakistan establishment needs to do is wash its hands of the Afghanistan situation and concentrate on creating a strong impermeable border in the West. Ask America to keep its money and clean up its own mess! The whole situation is made to look like Paksitan is desperate for America's hand outs!Being involved in Afghanistan was a mistake but continuing to do so is a bigger one still!

 

[Varun]

Not really, everyone knows China would not fire a bullet in the direction of America or its allies. They issue press statements with regularity and that's about it. Among the many times US disrespected Pakistan's sovereignty, the two telling ones were Abottabad and Salala! Both occasion US crossed the lines and all the chinese did were issue, wait for it.....press statements again!

Pretty much - add India to the mix on that count as well. All talk, no bite.

The instruments differ of course: China uses some shady state owned media channel, while Trump vents his spleen on Twitter.

 

[the Great Khan]

Not really, everyone knows China would not fire a bullet in the direction of America or its allies. They issue press statements with regularity and that's about it. Among the many times US disrespected Pakistan's sovereignty, the two telling ones were Abottabad and Salala! Both occasion US crossed the lines and all the chinese did were issue, wait for it.....press statements again!

Also the 50 bill figure bandied about is still on paper and a big chunk in loans. China and US are the worlds largest trade partners with Chinese annual export closing in on $600 billion a year. China cannot afford to be on the wrong side of the US and Xi is a very very smart man when it comes to trade. Also a couple of decades ago the establishment was sure America had pakistans back! nations are just like people, selfish when it comes to their own interests!

The best this Pakistan establishment needs to do is wash its hands of the Afghanistan situation and concentrate on creating a strong impermeable border in the West. Ask America to keep its money and clean up its own mess! The whole situation is made to look like Paksitan is desperate for America's hand outs!Being involved in Afghanistan was a mistake but continuing to do so is a bigger one still!

I wasnt talking about bullets. The fact that the Chinese have made this statement means this:

a) Pak is our friend we've invested lots of money and will ensure that it is not isolated in international forums
b) happy to have a chat and work things out

end of. This myth that pakistan is suddenly ging to be sent to the stone age is something our indian friends are hoping to see but isnt going to happen. OBOR is a pivotal game changing project and China will ensure through its various channels to make sure the US doesn't jeopardise it. As for the loans issue I suggest you read the chinese ambassadors twwet thread around this when he was asked to explain things by some of our journalists.

 

[shortbread]

I wasnt talking about bullets. The fact that the Chinese have made this statement means this:

a) Pak is our friend we've invested lots of money and will ensure that it is not isolated in international forums
b) happy to have a chat and work things out

end of. This myth that pakistan is suddenly ging to be sent to the stone age is something our indian friends are hoping to see but isnt going to happen. OBOR is a pivotal game changing project and China will ensure through its various channels to make sure the US doesn't jeopardise it. As for the loans issue I suggest you read the chinese ambassadors twwet thread around this when he was asked to explain things by some of our journalists.

Firstly this whole rumor about sending Pakistan to the stone age is something that musharaff started and no one can trust anything that comes out of that clowns mouth. Secondly Pakistan is a country with a 200 million people with a sizeable defence force, no one can destroy a country of this size irrespective of what fools post on forums.

Second, Pakistan's priority is to protect the whole country and not pockets of Chinese investments and its fool-hardy to think financial investments guarantee security! And China has never been able to influence American action/involvement in any country, the latest episode is North Korea.

Finally, Pakistan's security must be in its own hands and not in the hope a bigger super power will come to its rescue. The mistake was made relying on the US and theres no point repeating the same with China.

The implications do not revolving around 'sending countries back to the stone age' but include things like violating sovereignty, punitive sanctions etc....they have done this before!

 

[yasir]

Actually the CPEC investment in more thn 50b+ now...

What are terms and conditions of those CPEC loans??

 

[Major]

china is all talks.

They wont get involved when the real thing takes place.

I dont know why Pakistan always see China as an allie

anyways, US ain't demanding Pakistan to hand over its country to them...

US demand of finishing out terrorists at the end of the day will also help the Pakistanis. Today we support the Kashmiri "mujahideen" but if god forbade the Kashmir problem gets solved, then trust me those same Mujahideens will turn against us.

 

[PakLFC]

Trump did not give any "warning" to Pak. He does not want his you know what handed back to him. The American's can't defeat the ragtag Taliban army, the well oiled and battled hardened Pak machine will drop the few American's in Afghanistan like a bad habit. Every country fights for itself, no one will do so for another unless there is something major in it for them. It is not as if America have threatened to attack Pak, I don't think they even dare think off that!. As usual having lost the war they just need someone else to blame.

 

[Syed1]

That's how real allies are.


Love you China.


Long live Pak-Cheen dosti.



Haters can go jump in the ocean to curb their burning.

 

[PakLFC]

Are we facing a tag team match in the near future? Pak/China v India/USA?

 

[Badsha]

Are we facing a tag team match in the near future? Pak/China v India/USA?

Can already picture. China on the ropes. Pakistan getting hammered by India. Pakistan counters a move. Crosses to the corner and get the hot tag in! JR commentary "And CHAAAINA IS GIVING INDIA A BEATING HERE. CHAINA HAS HAD EEENUF OF THIS!"

Sorry if you aren't a wrestling fan. Probably didn't make sense.

 

[Slog]

Are we facing a tag team match in the near future? Pak/China v India/USA?

That won't end well for our side

Though the thing is USA is flaky and might leave India in the lurch midway through whereas I am confident China would be there till the end

Obviously none of this will ever happen

 

[Syed1]

That won't end well for our side

Though the thing is USA is flaky and might leave India in the lurch midway through whereas I am confident China would be there till the end

Obviously none of this will ever happen

Russia won't sit back... they will be like aisay kesay $$...

 

[akki]

That won't end well for our side

Though the thing is USA is flaky and might leave India in the lurch midway through whereas I am confident China would be there till the end

Obviously none of this will ever happen

Dnt knw why but i believe that chineese maal are mostly fooka bomb....chla toh chla nahi toh nahi....hamari delhi me milta hi chineese maal gaffar khan market me.. Its one of the most famous market known in delhi for anything related to electronics mostly cheap .ypu can get iphone or LED at one third prize and too branded as it seems and if you are lucky tgen it will work also as normal items work.
So there missiles and defence system . i dnt know confidence show ni ho pata cheeni maal pe....

 

[PakLFC]

Can already picture. China on the ropes. Pakistan getting hammered by India. Pakistan counters a move. Crosses to the corner and get the hot tag in! JR commentary "And CHAAAINA IS GIVING INDIA A BEATING HERE. CHAINA HAS HAD EEENUF OF THIS!"

Sorry if you aren't a wrestling fan. Probably didn't make sense.

...then Pak will do a sharp shooter on USA making them submit

 

[PakLFC]

That won't end well for our side

Though the thing is USA is flaky and might leave India in the lurch midway through whereas I am confident China would be there till the end

Obviously none of this will ever happen

America is one who would be most vulnerable here. Pak will be battered but the USA will be made to suffer much more. China will take care off India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Reading this thread one would assume USA/NATO isnt the biggest economic/Military/technological block in the world but Pakistan is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

America is one who would be most vulnerable here. Pak will be battered but the USA will be made to suffer much more. China will take care off India.

China will take care of India but USA cannot take care of Pakistan.

 

[PakLFC]

China will take care of India but USA cannot take care of Pakistan.

You are totally right for the first time. Congratulations.

 

[Syed1]

You are totally right for the first time. Congratulations.

Sach moh pe ah hi jata hai

 

[KingKhanWC]

Reading this thread one would assume USA/NATO isnt the biggest economic/Military/technological block in the world but Pakistan is.

16 years with billions spent and all their military might but yet the Taliban still control over half of Afghanistan.

You watch too much Bollywood

 

[cricketjoshila]

16 years with billions spent and all their military might but yet the Taliban still control over half of Afghanistan.

You watch too much Bollywood

Did you expect US to take Afghanistan and put it in the atlantic and declare it the 51st state?

US controls around 60% of Afghanistan while Taliban controls around 11% and rest 29% is contested.This is according to reports published in the long war journal.

US is sitting there and keeping an eye on Iran Pakistan Central Asia.Thats what their objective was.

You read too many fairy tales.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Did you expect US to take Afghanistan and put it in the atlantic and declare it the 51st state?

US controls around 60% of Afghanistan while Taliban controls around 11% and rest 29% is contested.This is according to reports published in the long war journal.

US is sitting there and keeping an eye on Iran Pakistan Central Asia.Thats what their objective was.

You read too many fairy tales.

I expect them to fulfill their objective which was to end the Taliban. This was their objective when invading Afghanistan not keeping an eye on anything. lol

Taliban control 50%+ unless you think major western news outlets are wrong.

You still havent explained why Nato/US haven't managed to wipe out the resistance in Afghansitan after claiming they are so powerful etc?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I expect them to fulfill their objective which was to end the Taliban. This was their objective when invading Afghanistan not keeping an eye on anything. lol

Taliban control 50%+ unless you think major western news outlets are wrong.

You still havent explained why Nato/US haven't managed to wipe out the resistance in Afghansitan after claiming they are so powerful etc?

I have mentioned the Long War Journal as my source.Taliban doesnt control 50% of Afghanistan.

Did US attack Iraq to end WMD threats?Was that their real intention?

US wanted a footbold in that region and they got it.

Taliban is on the run.They control small parts of Afghanistan.They dont run the country as they used to before the US invasion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have mentioned the Long War Journal as my source.Taliban doesnt control 50% of Afghanistan.

Did US attack Iraq to end WMD threats?Was that their real intention?

US wanted a footbold in that region and they got it.

Taliban is on the run.They control small parts of Afghanistan.They dont run the country as they used to before the US invasion.

The data comes from US-Afghan forces, hardly independent. Even they say Taliban controls or contests 40%. Of course they dont run the country, what a ridiculous thing to point out. They have not been defeated and this year have been taking back territory. No matter how much US and India try, they will not be able to defeat the Taliban aka the Afghan resistance.

We have to go with the official objectives not what you personally believe. Trump last night once again reiterated the aim is to destroy, kill all Taliban unless lay down their weapons and join with Afghan forces. This is the same aim from day one, 16 years ago. They wont surrender so US will continue to fail as they have done in the last 16 years. Must be highly embarrassing they cant beat a rag tag army with little weaponry having all their might.

 

[Enigma_]

Our true ally has more balls than our leaders to call out the b/s from the yanks. What a joke this 'administration' is.

 

[troodon]

Our true ally has more balls than our leaders to call out the b/s from the yanks. What a joke this 'administration' is.

So you expected Pak to make strong statements against USA?

 

[Enigma_]

So you expected Pak to make strong statements against USA?

If defending ourselves from false perceptions and allegations means strong statements against the USA then yes absolutely.

 

[carbon11]

Usa and nato have withdrawn from frontline fighting and pushed the Afghan army as the tip of spear

To let indians know Taliban have killed nearly 3000 afghan troops in 6months

We are all waiting Indians your hero trump has asked for your assistance so plz send your troops into Afghanistan so world can have a good laugh

On the other hand the Kurds have had less support than Afghan army and defeated isis

And Iraqi shia militia a volunteer force has liberated most of iraq

No wonder usa is frustrated in Afghanistan because what worked in Syria with the Kurds and in Iraq has been failing in Afghanistan

 

[LegCutter]

Trump's going to keep mouthing off. Smart thing for Pakistan to just keep our mouths shut and nod off until America has a new president. I wouldnt want to take chances by 'offending' the sensitive POTUS. He probably forgot about Pakistan the minute he finished that speech and will probably remember us again the next time he watches something on tv regarding Pakistan.

 

[Chrish]

china is all talks.

They wont get involved when the real thing takes place.

I dont know why Pakistan always see China as an allie

anyways, US ain't demanding Pakistan to hand over its country to them...

US demand of finishing out terrorists at the end of the day will also help the Pakistanis. Today we support the Kashmiri "mujahideen" but if god forbade the Kashmir problem gets solved, then trust me those same Mujahideens will turn against us.

China aides Pakistan because it serves their purpose. US/ Israel similarly helps India because it serves them well. Unfortunately majority of idiots here don't realize this. There are no friends or allies in politics. There are only enemies or two group working together for mutual benefits.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The data comes from US-Afghan forces, hardly independent. Even they say Taliban controls or contests 40%. Of course they dont run the country, what a ridiculous thing to point out. They have not been defeated and this year have been taking back territory. No matter how much US and India try, they will not be able to defeat the Taliban aka the Afghan resistance.

We have to go with the official objectives not what you personally believe. Trump last night once again reiterated the aim is to destroy, kill all Taliban unless lay down their weapons and join with Afghan forces. This is the same aim from day one, 16 years ago. They wont surrender so US will continue to fail as they have done in the last 16 years. Must be highly embarrassing they cant beat a rag tag army with little weaponry having all their might.

So who has independent data?You?Taliban controls only 11% of the country.

Its funny how you call Taliban terrorists Afghan resistance.Then again you call terrorists freedom fighters as well.

Official objectives of Iraq war were?The world knows what the objective really was.

May be Trump has no realised that Taliban is a front and they need to strike at the actual funders abettors supporters and protectors of Taliban.

 

[the Great Khan]

Firstly this whole rumor about sending Pakistan to the stone age is something that musharaff started and no one can trust anything that comes out of that clowns mouth. Secondly Pakistan is a country with a 200 million people with a sizeable defence force, no one can destroy a country of this size irrespective of what fools post on forums.

Second, Pakistan's priority is to protect the whole country and not pockets of Chinese investments and its fool-hardy to think financial investments guarantee security! And China has never been able to influence American action/involvement in any country, the latest episode is North Korea.

Finally, Pakistan's security must be in its own hands and not in the hope a bigger super power will come to its rescue. The mistake was made relying on the US and theres no point repeating the same with China.

The implications do not revolving around 'sending countries back to the stone age' but include things like violating sovereignty, punitive sanctions etc....they have done this before!

i understand and to an extent agree with what you have said. Yes sanctions are a risk but ultimately that will only harm US involvement in afghanistan. Perversley to prevent sanctions it may be in pakistans interest to keep the US engaged at some level in afghanistan.

However either way the biggest threat to us is sanctions. Nothing else.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So who has independent data?You?Taliban controls only 11% of the country.

Its funny how you call Taliban terrorists Afghan resistance.Then again you call terrorists freedom fighters as well.

Official objectives of Iraq war were?The world knows what the objective really was.

May be Trump has no realised that Taliban is a front and they need to strike at the actual funders abettors supporters and protectors of Taliban.

US and Afghan forces arent independent. But fine lets take their assesment, 40% is Taliban controls or contested according to your source.

You seem to be struggling to explain why Nato cant defeat them? This year more and more terroririty has been taken back by the Taliban, how and why?

All Afghans have the right to defend their lands from invading forces. The can call themselves whatever they like.

Who are the abettors? And how will Trump strike them? IF you mean Pakistan, India hasnt shown any courage to strike inside Pakistan.

 

[90MPH]

So who has independent data?You?Taliban controls only 11% of the country.

Its funny how you call Taliban terrorists Afghan resistance.Then again you call terrorists freedom fighters as well.

Official objectives of Iraq war were?The world knows what the objective really was.

May be Trump has no realised that Taliban is a front and they need to strike at the actual funders abettors supporters and protectors of Taliban.

Yes Poor Trump realised what the most sophisticated military machine in the world in the last 16 years didn't figure out.

If it's that easy I wonder why doesn't Trump hire you so he realises how easy it is by just defeating the "abettors" ?