After the 2024 General Election, your views have……

[Stewie]

1. … changed, improved or worsened about Pakistan’s situation?
2. Do you feel the result is the best possible outcome, worst or other?
3. Do you think the outlook for Pakistan is overall positive, negative, other?
4. What are your thoughts on the future of democracy in the country?
5. Have your views on the military changed or are the same? Positive or negative?
6. What could have been done better?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

1. … changed, improved or worsened about Pakistan’s situation?
2. Do you feel the result is the best possible outcome, worst or other?
3. Do you think the outlook for Pakistan is overall positive, negative, other?
4. What are your thoughts on the future of democracy in the country?
5. Have your views on the military changed or are the same? Positive or negative?
6. What could have been done better?

The one thing that I could forsee is an unstable government and the possibility of an early election as no matter who forms government, can't run it properly with truncated majority.

 

[Waseem]

I am much more confident we will come out of this mess after the elections.

Heavy majority of Pakistanis strongly opposed establishment interference and showed their anger using their votes which is the best way forward.

Yes still a long way to go but i think the people are on the right track.

 

[Stewie]

I am much more confident we will come out of this mess after the elections.

Heavy majority of Pakistanis strongly opposed establishment interference and showed their anger using their votes which is the best way forward.

Yes still a long way to go but i think the people are on the right track.

You seem to have a positive outlook but I believe the elections are over. And I do not believe we are out of any mess. It is as chaotic as ever. The will of the people has been trampled upon.

Even the most hardcore of PML-n and PPP supporter would agree with me. The establishment has really taken the warpath against the people here. I am sorry but I do not share your sunny disposition here.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

My views have become more clear that nothing going to change in this country now... never seen such farcical elections before.

 

[Varun]

The Pakistani establishment have won, all said and done.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Remained the same. Establishment can do whatever they want to do and are still influencing the politics of Pakistan with their cheap tactics.

 

[rpant_gabba]

You seem to have a positive outlook but I believe the elections are over. And I do not believe we are out of any mess. It is as chaotic as ever. The will of the people has been trampled upon.

I think it going to reach new levels of chaos. CSF are not here to bail out pakistan economy. friendly countries currency deposits are going to be unlikely. CPEC investments are going to come home to roost for their returns.

Even the most hardcore of PML-n and PPP supporter would agree with me. The establishment has really taken the warpath against the people here. I am sorry but I do not share your sunny disposition here.

you make it sounds like it is unusual in Pakistan.

It is going to go back to the days nobles and peasants. no reward for guessing who the nobles are going to be.

interesting times ahead for pakistan.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I was giving the PTI supporters the benefit of doubt, that although their leader has been jailed, they are waiting for elections. But their mandate was taken away, and they are yet again proving that their resilience in taking beatings is second to none.
If they allow their leader (who has sacrificed so much for Pakistan) to be jailed over flimsy charges, and then also allow their mandate to be taken away, then nothing can be said for them. They don't have any red line beyond which they will wake up.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The Pakistani establishment have won, all said and done.

Yep the same stupid story.

 

[sweep_shot]

2024 election has shown most Pakistanis want Imran Khan and PTI.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am much more confident we will come out of this mess after the elections.

Heavy majority of Pakistanis strongly opposed establishment interference and showed their anger using their votes which is the best way forward.

Yes still a long way to go but i think the people are on the right track.

Yes if you were dealing with rational people with some patriotic feeling. These thugs couldn't care less. Munir was too thick to get Millitary academy and got rejected twice , this isn't Lums or some top Medical school. It's an academy that even the likes of Bajwa got into.

 

[IMMY69]

Yes if you were dealing with rational people with some patriotic feeling. These thugs couldn't care less. Munir was too thick to get Millitary academy and got rejected twice , this isn't Lums or some top Medical school. It's an academy that even the likes of Bajwa got into.

Yes wasnt someone calling the thousands who attended PTI Jalsa's as jobless layabouts? Then once Election was rigged didn't that same person argue that people without proper education should not be allowed to vote?

With people like these nothing is ever going to change

 

[pakistanisgreat]

2024 election has shown most Pakistanis want Imran Khan and PTI.

Establishment is a reality and not going anywhere.

The problem is we the public do not wanna to change ourselves. For instance, i want you to change, drop all the illegal activities however, i do not want to change myself. I want to repeat everything. Another example, my half of family is PTI supporter. They all like corruption is bad however, every winter they steal gas so they can have heater on and hot water. When i question them, they are like no corruption and stealing gas two different things. They want honest leaders yet they do not want to give up anything.

 

[Bewal Express]

Establishment is a reality and not going anywhere.

The problem is we the public do not wanna to change ourselves. For instance, i want you to change, drop all the illegal activities however, i do not want to change myself. I want to repeat everything. Another example, my half of family is PTI supporter. They all like corruption is bad however, every winter they steal gas so they can have heater on and hot water. When i question them, they are like no corruption and stealing gas two different things. They want honest leaders yet they do not want to give up anything.

Fair point but some steal because of majboori( still wrong) and others steal to live the life.

 

[Stewie]

I think it going to reach new levels of chaos. CSF are not here to bail out pakistan economy. friendly countries currency deposits are going to be unlikely. CPEC investments are going to come home to roost for their returns.

you make it sounds like it is unusual in Pakistan.

It is going to go back to the days nobles and peasants. no reward for guessing who the nobles are going to be.

interesting times ahead for pakistan.

This is unusual in Pakistan. Any neutral person will tell you so. In the past, the establishment manipulated and rigged the elections and all parties involved had acquiesced to this dynamic and conformed to the system. They had figued it out how to game the system to stay in power. PML, PPP, MQM, JUI, etc knew how to hold on to power and reap benefits within the established framework. If it was not their turn, they will quietly go sit in the opposition, or make as needed compromises to be part of the government.

Basically nobody posed a serious challenge to the establishment and stayed within their system of control. Now PTI is here. We know they have the massive popular majority because through social media and IK's belligerence, they have showed the people who really controls everything. They have brought the awareness and consiousness to people who want their vote to mean something. In the past the mandate was divided with no clear majority like we had this time. This time IS different. Which is why it is taking the so long to put a fix in.

I think we are looking at the threshold of people losing their patience now.

 

[rpant_gabba]

This is unusual in Pakistan. Any neutral person will tell you so. In the past, the establishment manipulated and rigged the elections and all parties involved had acquiesced to this dynamic and conformed to the system. They had figued it out how to game the system to stay in power. PML, PPP, MQM, JUI, etc knew how to hold on to power and reap benefits within the established framework. If it was not their turn, they will quietly go sit in the opposition, or make as needed compromises to be part of the government.

Basically nobody posed a serious challenge to the establishment and stayed within their system of control. Now PTI is here. We know they have the massive popular majority because through social media and IK's belligerence, they have showed the people who really controls everything. They have brought the awareness and consiousness to people who want their vote to mean something. In the past the mandate was divided with no clear majority like we had this time. This time IS different. Which is why it is taking the so long to put a fix in.

I think we are looking at the threshold of people losing their patience now.

The bottom line here is what comes next?

PDM 2.0 is going to happen and it will trudge along.

No election for atleast couple of years.

SO what card i left to play by IK? Pak awam is not going to resort to big protest on behalf of IK anymore.

So what is left?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

… changed, improved or worsened about Pakistan’s situation?

- worsened short/medium term.

Do you feel the result is the best possible outcome, worst or other?

- awful outcome.

Do you think the outlook for Pakistan is overall positive, negative, other?

What are your thoughts on the future of democracy in the country?
- democracy is alive in the masses but dead in the eyes of establishment. The future is uncertain it depends on how this plays out.

Have your views on the military changed or are the same? Positive or negative?
- same. They have been negative in my eyes for interference in domestic politics. They have an important role for security I am by no means anti military.

What could have been done better?

- Well quite simply. Either dont rig...but if you are going to rig then do it properly!

 

[rpant_gabba]

- Well quite simply. Either dont rig...but if you are going to rig then do it properly!

I think this situations suits them well. none of the parties can take em on

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think this situations suits them well. none of the parties can take em on

It is difficult to describe the change in attitude of the public towards the establishment to someone who hasn't experienced it.

To an outsider the change may feel insignficant but it is huge, and it will produce tangible outcomes.

They were under a lot of pressure and misunderstood the mood of the public so much so that they had to openly resort to fraud to let nawaz win.

The fraud has never been so open and the disdain for the establishment ( for domestic interference) never been so high either.

This situation works in the short/medium term only. Change is coming.

 

[Stewie]

The bottom line here is what comes next?

PDM 2.0 is going to happen and it will trudge along.

No election for atleast couple of years.

SO what card i left to play by IK? Pak awam is not going to resort to big protest on behalf of IK anymore.

So what is left?

Do t know. That’s anybody’s guess. The Awan will take to the streets if they can’t afford anything and start starving. The middle class is really struggling and the elite
Bank accounts are ballooning up even more. This cannot be sustainable

 

[rpant_gabba]

Do t know. That’s anybody’s guess. The Awan will take to the streets if they can’t afford anything and start starving. The middle class is really struggling and the elite
Bank accounts are ballooning up even more. This cannot be sustainable

there is going to be a negative feedback loop.

Pak needs help with BOP. For that you need political a stability. Which in turn is going need control over inflation which needs BOP

interesting times ahead for the establishment

 

[Red-Indian]

To be fair, the situation is not as dire as it seems at first glance. The Pakistani Establishment, to it's credit, while manipulative is not really oppressive like say the Burmese or North Korean one. All it asks is that it be left alone in it's sphere of influence and medium scale corruption.

Within these parameters, there is plenty of scope for a clever, slightly stable government to deliver growth and development. It needs a bit of tap dancing, but it will be important for the Pakistan to ally with China while not really angering the States with things like brainless, pointless visits to Russia like your former Prime Minister did.

Pakistan will need IMF support and Chinese investment. Whether China likes it or not, it's labour is getting more expensive and aging. It will need to start relocating it's least value-added, labour-intensive manufacturing. That's the right place for Pakistan to start like every developing country has started.

Of course, all this depends on showing political stability and policy reliability. Even Chinese companies under complete government influence will not risk it without that. Can the establishment develop it through the Shahbaz Sharif government? It's tough to be optimistic with the most popular leader in prison.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Until there is a free and fair election in Pakistan, this so-called democracy will always be crippled and will never be in the favor of the general public. Need to wake up or live like a slave.