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Aggressive top order batsmen in the National One-Day Cup

Pete Rose

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So I had a look at some of the numbers in the recently concluded Departmental Odi Cup. The general view from the sports press was that Ahmed Shehzad, Kamran Akmal, and Salman Butt should be considered for a recall. I had a look at the scorecards for the games to see not just what the tournament aggregates were but rather what were averages and strike rates of the batsmen batting at 1,2, and 3. In summary:

- There were 31 games played in all by 8 departmental teams
- The average first innings score was 242 and the average second innings score was 220. Kinda tells you where the game is at the moment in Pakistan. I am sure folks knowledgeable than me will be able to give perspective if pitch, ball, and weather had a role to play in these totals
- 300 or more was scored twice only: team batting first scored it and naturally won since we cant really chase whatever the level of cricket. (the highest second innings score was 287)
- Although the team batting second won 20 times out of 31, its not particularly encouraging considering the score being chased was pretty low. To make that point clearer: only 6 out of these 20 scores that were successfully chased were above 250.

Getting to the batsmen and how they fared:
- 7 out of the top 10 batsmen in this tournament played in the top 3 positions
- Only two out of these 7 batsmen have a strike rate above 80. Awais Zia and Ahmed Shehzad
- The remaining 5 from these top order batsmen have very healthy averages buy extremely mediocre to poor strike rates: Shan Masood, Kamran Akmal, Imam Ul Haq.
- So I extended the list to look which other top order batsman has done well with a respectable average (around 40) and aggressive strike rate (higher than 80).
- The guys that are worth considering: (average@strike rate)
Ahmed Shehzad (96.17@93.28)
Junaid Ali (45.3@88.6)
Awais Zia (44.8@99.5)

If I had to chose I would put Awais Zia above the other two (ahmed shehzad needs more time, and junaid ali has played about 20 matches in all)
 
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If I loosen the criteria (i.e. average > 40 and strike rate > 80): I would add Fakhar Zaman and Imran Butt to this selection.
 
Shahzaib Hasan smacked 171 today. I think its time to induct him in the team. We need aggressive starters at the top followed by consolidation of Babar, Malik and Hafeez. Sarfaraz and Umar Akmal should be completing the batting list. Hopefully Umar gets his natural game in order and Imad Wasim learns some hard hitting.
 
This whole study tells us that we have no aggressive opener in our domestic circle so keep searching.
 
If I loosen the criteria (i.e. average > 40 and strike rate > 80): I would add Fakhar Zaman and Imran Butt to this selection.

Ahmed Shahzad has been scoring at 90 SR in domestics and fails to score at 80 SR in internationals.
Keep criteria as 100-110+ at least to increase chances of getting an actually good power hitter. Eg. Sharjeel who strikes at 110+ in domestics.
 
Shahzaib Hasan smacked 171 today. I think its time to induct him in the team. We need aggressive starters at the top followed by consolidation of Babar, Malik and Hafeez. Sarfaraz and Umar Akmal should be completing the batting list. Hopefully Umar gets his natural game in order and Imad Wasim learns some hard hitting.

Yeah. Perhaps he should be there. Although, my understanding is that the standard of departmental cricket is a bit higher than regional cricket.
 
Ahmed Shahzad has been scoring at 90 SR in domestics and fails to score at 80 SR in internationals.
Keep criteria as 100-110+ at least to increase chances of getting an actually good power hitter. Eg. Sharjeel who strikes at 110+ in domestics.

Yes this is a fair observation.
I would add two things to this:
1 - the guys with the strike rates higher than 90 and beyond often dont bat in the top order: they hide in the middle order.
2 - On Ahmed Shehzad. My view is that with him we know what we get, as he has been tried multiple times I would leave him out until he gets that strike rate up further. With some of the new guys: its worth the risk to see if their domestic 90 sr can equal internation SR
 
I'd suggest waiting for the Pentangular Cup. That's the most competitive tournament we have. It is actually quality cricket despite many missing out due to nepotism.
 
Top Order includes no. 3 too.

I think you have missed Hussain Talat.H e played at no. 3. He has better stats than many you considered. 319 runs with 80 average and 90 Strike Rate.
 
Top Order includes no. 3 too.

I think you have missed Hussain Talat.H e played at no. 3. He has better stats than many you considered. 319 runs with 80 average and 90 Strike Rate.

I have taken to the top 3. Don't see his name in any of the scorecards. Which departmental team does he play for in this tournament
 
I would suggest we also discuss region guys here.
 
Regional Tournament :Khusdil Shah was very decent because he was striking over 100 with a healty average.

I think Fakhar Zaman deserves the chance.
 
Why just aggressive top order batsmen? - We need 150 SR finisher too, somebody like Maxwell, Dhoni... Hope was Umar will do that job, but he has not developed, more and more regressed over time...There are two many holes to fillin for national team


I think Pakistan best bet to open with Sharjeel is Harris Sohail, here are my reasons:

1. Back in 2015 WC, Harris Sohail had best defensive and shots against fast bowlers in Power Play, he used to come early as wicket falls and would play run a ball in power play...

2. Two left handers is not a bad thing, because most right arm fast bowlers bowl relatively poor to left handers, this can negate the effect of new ball, plus his shorts and technique is different from Sharjeel, its not like you are bowling to same kind of batsmen.

3. Harris Sohail can play long innings and he is more well rounded batsmen, investing in him at the top is right thing to do, he has right balance of aggression and defense, you don't want to have all hacks approach...

4. Harris strength is that he plays fast bowlers better than spinners, opening is right position for him rather than 2nd down, when you have to face spinners...


Opening is less of a problem, down order finishers and fast bowling allrounder is really big hole right now...We are so poor in last 10 overs, its not even 1990s level :facepalm:
 
Why just aggressive top order batsmen? - We need 150 SR finisher too, somebody like Maxwell, Dhoni... Hope was Umar will do that job, but he has not developed, more and more regressed over time...There are two many holes to fillin for national team


I think Pakistan best bet to open with Sharjeel is Harris Sohail, here are my reasons:

1. Back in 2015 WC, Harris Sohail had best defensive and shots against fast bowlers in Power Play, he used to come early as wicket falls and would play run a ball in power play...

2. Two left handers is not a bad thing, because most right arm fast bowlers bowl relatively poor to left handers, this can negate the effect of new ball, plus his shorts and technique is different from Sharjeel, its not like you are bowling to same kind of batsmen.

3. Harris Sohail can play long innings and he is more well rounded batsmen, investing in him at the top is right thing to do, he has right balance of aggression and defense, you don't want to have all hacks approach...

4. Harris strength is that he plays fast bowlers better than spinners, opening is right position for him rather than 2nd down, when you have to face spinners...


Opening is less of a problem, down order finishers and fast bowling allrounder is really big hole right now...We are so poor in last 10 overs, its not even 1990s level :facepalm:

Openers are the biggest problem and the easiest to fix, in my view. Sharjeel is barely a year old and he is probably the key wicket in our batting line up on such a short period of time. So of course you need to find another aggressive top order batsman. Surely Azhar and or Hafeez is not the answer
 
This whole study tells us that we have no aggressive opener in our domestic circle so keep searching.

+1000

Thats what this tells me. Because all names mentioned are TTFs.
 
+1000

Thats what this tells me. Because all names mentioned are TTFs.

Pretty much this.

[MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION], you're making the mistake of going after domestic stats at their face value. This tournament is of very low quality, and the names you've mentione -- we've seen their ability at a competitive level.

Shahzaib is the guy who can be better than all the ones you mentioned.

Kamran can also be decent against pace at the top order.
 
Pretty much this.

[MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION], you're making the mistake of going after domestic stats at their face value. This tournament is of very low quality, and the names you've mentione -- we've seen their ability at a competitive level.

Shahzaib is the guy who can be better than all the ones you mentioned.

Kamran can also be decent against pace at the top order.

The departmental cup is of a slightly higher standard than regional cup. I am not against shahzeb, I would welcome it. We have two more domestic tournaments to go: the regional cup is happening now and then the pentagural cup so we will see who gets to the top. Kamran has been poor in the recently concluded tourmanent scoring at a strike rate of just above 70. I am happy to it ignore akmal, butt, and shehzad. But the others should get their chances
 
+1000

Thats what this tells me. Because all names mentioned are TTFs.
Shehzad is the only ttf there. It should be no surprise that the first stint for shahzeb, sharjeel, and awais was poor. If you need aggressive openers you have to select them basis their numbers: they don't fall in to your lap magically
 
The departmental cup is of a slightly higher standard than regional cup. I am not against shahzeb, I would welcome it. We have two more domestic tournaments to go: the regional cup is happening now and then the pentagural cup so we will see who gets to the top. Kamran has been poor in the recently concluded tourmanent scoring at a strike rate of just above 70. I am happy to it ignore akmal, butt, and shehzad. But the others should get their chances

Fair enough -- you've done some hard work in the post so kudos for that.

The Pentangular Cup that's shown on TV is usually of higher quality, I also like to see them play to make an opinion.
 
Shahzaib is the man. He's got the same skills as Sharjeel but minus the weight (at least for now :P ). Good hand eye coordination. Good strength and plays at quick pace.
 
Shazaib- got dropped after playing his best innings for Pakistan. similar to Sharjeel getting dropped from t20 team after scoring a 50.
 
in my view Ahsan Ali is d most talented guy in young players with healthy strike rate and great power hitting. Though he could not perform well recently but in past he had some extraordinary inngs with two double hundreds in QEA trophy. It was very unfair that no franchise picked him as emerging player for PSL 2 although he is much much better than saad nasim, khurram manzoor, shahzaib hassan.
 
best possible squad for odis

1 sharjeel
2 khalid latif/fakhar zaman/ahsan ali
3 babar
4 malik
5 sarfraz
6 umar akmal/ adil amin
7 immad/ shadab khan
8 amir yamin/ sohail khan
9 M amir
10 hasan ali
11 junaid
 
here r some replacements which i think r inevitable:
1: azhar ali (out) - khalid latif/ ahmad shehzad/fakhar zaman/ahsan ali/ shahzaib hassan (in) as openers
2: hafeez (out) adil amin (in) as off spin all rounder
3: asad shafiq (out) nasir jamshed (in)
4: rizwan (out) kamran akmal (in) as 2nd w/keeper
5: nawaz (out) shadab khan (in)
6: rahat ali (out) sohail khan/amir yamin (in)
7: wahab riaz (out) atif jabbar/ usman shinwari (in)
 
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