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"All I wish to do is to get back to playing professional cricket" : Monty Panesar

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Regarded once as England's front-line spin weapon in Test matches, the 35-year-old Monty Panesar has so far played 77 international games where he has taken 193 wickets with an impressive 12 five-wicket hauls to his name.

In an exclusive interview with PakPassion.net, Monty Panesar spoke about his fond memories of bowling to the best players of spin such as Younis Khan, some of the highs and lows of his career so far, his experience of coaching in Australia, his views on the world's top spin bowlers including Ravi Ashwin and Yasir Shah and his struggle to make a return to professional cricket.



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PakPassion.net : Who has been the best batsman that you have come up against?

Monty Panesar : The batsman I struggled against the most was Matthew Hayden. He was very difficult to bowl to whenever I played against him. The other batsman who was a real challenge for me was Graeme Smith. I believe he averages around 80 against left-arm spinners and for a very good reason.


PakPassion.net : You mention Hayden and Smith, was that because they were the type of batsmen who would look to intimidate a bowler?

Monty Panesar : It was their physique which allowed a longer stride length. As a spinner, it becomes a little difficult to get them out because of the longer stride length. This is because the distance between where the ball pitches and the ball coming onto the bat is less than in a shorter person. We, as spinners, need that distance to be at its greatest so that by the time it’s got to the bat it’s got enough distance for it to turn. I also found it difficult to bowl to Kevin Pietersen and Alastair Cook in the nets due to their stride length.


PakPassion.net : What about some of the other greats you bowled against. Who do you rate highly?

Monty Panesar : It was a great pleasure bowling to Younis Khan as well, who was a fantastic sweeper and had great judgement of length and probably brought the best out of me. You also had the likes of Sachin Tendulkar, Virender Sehwag, Rahul Dravid, Ricky Ponting, Mahela Jayawardene; all of these players were really good players of spin and they could also pick the length very quickly. They had good judgement in terms of going back and going forward and they would play softly when rotating the strike but when they wanted to punish you, they would really go for it. I was always on edge when bowling to these batsmen and I always found that when I was bowling to really good players, it seemed to get the best out of me. I suppose, I like bowling to top quality batsmen and to challenge myself in that way.


PakPassion.net : What memories do you have of taking Younis Khan’s wicket during the Headingley Test in 2006?

Monty Panesar : I do remember that very well. The ball just clipped the bails and it was a nice piece of bowling, with the ball delivered at a good stride length. When I am bowling at my best, what I tend to do is to turn the ball very sharply. This means that the distance between the bat and the ball can be slightly less because there’s a sharper gradient as the ball is turning quicker.


PakPassion.net : What have been the most memorable moments of your career so far?

Monty Panesar : I really enjoyed the series when Pakistan came over in 2006 and also have great memories of our visit to India in 2012. The 2009 Ashes in England of course, and the South Africa series which we lost here in England in 2008 also stand out as ones to remember. Apart from these excellent series, I have to admit that one place I haven’t done well in is Sri Lanka and also am yet to play a Test in South Africa which is something I would like to have done.


PakPassion.net : As an Asian playing against Asian teams, did that spur you on to better performances against them?

Monty Panesar : I believe those teams just got the best out of me because of the way they played me. I suppose there are spinners who cannot respond well to such batting against them. To others, it’s a challenge in terms of having and implementing a good game-plan against these batsmen. To bowl against such players, you need to be a little sharper in your mind and have to play with concentration and focus.


PakPassion.net : Do you feel you could you have played more than the current tally of 50 Tests?

Monty Panesar : I recall speaking to Rahul Dravid who said I could easily have played hundred Tests with my ability. However, I have played fifty and I will always strive to play more Tests if I can. If I don’t play any more Tests then I will look back and be happy with the number I have played.


PakPassion.net : What was it like recently mentoring Australian spinners before their tour of India?

Monty Panesar : It was really good as I found that kind of relationship works really well if the cricketers have respect and a high regard for you. Then they are very receptive to what you say to them. If they don’t really rate you on your thinking on cricket then it’s difficult to develop a good rapport. It is then also difficult for you as a mentor to get the best out of them. So, that respect and the thought in the coached player’s head that the mentor will really improve me is very important. This becomes an important factor when you are coaching, especially the elite international players.


PakPassion.net : You’ve completed your Level 3 Coaching Certificate, is this something you would like to pursue in future?

Monty Panesar : I coached Under-16s and Under-21s at Campbelltown Camden District Cricket Club in Australia in the 2016/17 season. Although I joined as a player at Campbelltown, the coach Graeme Smith gave me extra responsibility for coaching as well. He told me that you may not be used to this but I want you to learn. He said that I might find things a little difficult or it may all be new to me but then that is one of the purposes you are here for. He wanted me to learn how to coach an Under-16 team as well as how to run an Under-21 team, and hold outdoor nets for the First-grade teams. I found that to be a real educational experience and also found a lot about myself as a player too. I recall in Sri Lanka when I wasn’t picked for the team, I just put on my headphones and Andy Flower had to nudge me to get rid of that attitude and show a bit more team spirit. That is the kind of stuff I look at now and think that maybe I should have improved my behaviour then. But then you only realise that when you are coaching and you see how other players are behaving and wonder if you can step-in, talk to the player and help him improve. Looking back, I suppose I was a little difficult to talk to and couldn’t really help myself either.


PakPassion.net : Apart from Australia, have you been coaching in England as well?

Monty Panesar : I have coached mostly in Australia but in England I have done some spin coaching but then, I have always helped out in coaching for teams that I have played for also. What I find really interesting is that there is always a time and a place for different aspects of coaching. So, this can be coaching for technical and tactical areas or mentoring, but for me, the most important part is getting to know the cricketers you are coaching. This can be done on and off the field and it makes the whole coaching process a lot easier. I believe this relationship makes a huge difference because if you simply speak about cricket to the players then it may not always register in their heads.


PakPassion.net : Who, in your view, were the best coaches you worked with and were the most effective for you?

Monty Panesar : I have always respected Andy Flower. I think he was a really good coach but unfortunately, I probably didn’t get an opportunity to really get to know his coaching. He already had his eleven players set and I was always the guy on the fringe. Only if it was a turning wicket and they needed two spinners would I play in those games. Regardless, I always admired him as a coach. Mark Robinson, the Sussex Coach, was probably one coach who got the best out of me. He was like a father figure which was in line with his style of coaching. If he felt that you were capable of taking on that extra responsibility then he would give it to you and that’s what he did for me at Sussex which was to give me that extra responsibility at key stages of a game. In addition. I have always admired Peter Moores as I do like his style of coaching and the way he goes about his job. The fact is that each of the coaches have their own unique style but Duncan Fletcher, in my view, was very quiet and didn’t say much. He was more observant than the talking type of coach and probably at the other end of the spectrum as far as coaching styles go. So, everyone has a different style and it’s been proven that any style is successful as demonstrated by the fact that all the names I have mentioned are successful coaches. This also proves that there isn’t one way of coaching and you can coach in the way that best works for you and still be successful.


PakPassion.net : You’ve had some tough times recently. You must be looking to putting those behind you?

Monty Panesar : Yes, I am looking forward to the future in an optimistic way. I am looking to play club cricket and Northamptonshire have provided me with some training facilities. I am also trying to get involved with Middlesex and the MCC and doing some bowling there as well. The idea is to keep on working and hopefully someone will give me a chance. If I can take wickets in club cricket and minor counties games then hopefully, someone will give me an opportunity to come and train with a County. It is then possible that they will give me a second team game to see how my bowling is and how my character fits into their team.


PakPassion.net : Looking back, do you have any regrets or thoughts about how things could have turned out differently?

Monty Panesar : I think we always have regrets for things that have happened in the past. I had that incident at Sussex which probably didn’t help my cause. I guess after all that, I was very lucky to get an opportunity at Essex but still couldn’t manage to grab that chance with both hands. Thankfully, I am much better now. I just need to keep on training and maintain my fitness which is much better than before. My shoulder is also much better now. All I need to do is to keep on persevering and keep working hard. At the moment, these eighteen County team coaches are the most important people in my life and I will be knocking on all eighteen doors and hopefully one of them will answer.


PakPassion.net : With the experience of highs and lows in your career, you would be in a perfect position to share that knowledge with young cricketers.

Monty Panesar : Absolutely. I can share my experience with the young cricketers and help prevent them facing some of the issues I have had to face in my career so far.


PakPassion.net : Who amongst the modern-day spinners impresses you the most?

Monty Panesar : I am impressed by Yasir Shah, Ravi Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja as they are all excellent bowlers. Ashwin in particular has been phenomenal in terms of how many wickets he has taken in Test cricket and has really been successful in all three forms of the game. I believe he has taken spin-bowling to the next level. Of course, Harbhajan Singh is my hero and what really impresses me about him is his longevity in that how he keeps on performing at a high-level for such a long period of time. In Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid, England has two bowlers who have come along and proved themselves to be good spinners. They have found a way of being successful and have done a great job whenever they have got a chance to play for England.


PakPassion.net : You have always been a crowd favourite, especially when it came to your batting and fielding. How was that experience?

Monty Panesar : I think that was just a reflection of my energy and enthusiasm for the game. I believe that is exactly how everyone would have liked me to play my cricket. In a way, I was a little inexperienced and innocent in terms of expressing that kind of energy in the earlier parts of my career. But it is that kind of enthusiasm and energy that really lifts everyone in the team and that is also an aspect of the game that the coaches are hopefully looking for from me. So, they are asking me to not only help them with the game but are also recognising my energy and love for the game which helps the whole team to rise to the challenge as well. That’s the kind of energy I need to connect with and play my cricket in that way.


PakPassion.net : What’s the future hold for you and what would you like to achieve from cricket in the next few years?

Monty Panesar : All I wish to do is to get back to playing professional cricket. I will continue pursuing that dream and I will give it my best, as I am desperate to play top-level cricket again.
 
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Players of Asian heritage simply don't know when to bow down. He's a done and dusted player. He could've been a better option as opposed to Gareth Batty but Batty had earned that chance.
 
Sad to see what Monty has been through in recent years, he was a highly rated spinner by the likes of Rahul Dravid but his personal problems has cut his international career short.

There's still time, given the paucity of quality English spinners, to make a comeback though.
 
Players of Asian heritage simply don't know when to bow down. He's a done and dusted player. He could've been a better option as opposed to Gareth Batty but Batty had earned that chance.

Sad to see what Monty has been through in recent years, he was a highly rated spinner by the likes of Rahul Dravid but his personal problems has cut his international career short.

There's still time, given the paucity of quality English spinners, to make a comeback though.

It's not about him not knowing when to call it a day ExpressPacer, he just wants to get back to playing county level cricket regularly; for Monty it's about redemption on a personal level, as Markhor has said the man had his demons and sadly they spelled the end of his career and now he just wants to put that behind him and keep moving forward be it through coaching opportunities or at the county level.

Don't care what [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] or [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] say but Monty is the greatest spinner to come out of England and the one with the most ability. He is 35 now so an international comeback is unlikely but if he can get back to playing FC cricket regularly that will be great for him, what a character you seriously can not dislike the guy.

Anyhow I'd take Monty even at the age of 50 over Rashid [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] :afridi
 
It's not about him not knowing when to call it a day ExpressPacer, he just wants to get back to playing county level cricket regularly; for Monty it's about redemption on a personal level, as Markhor has said the man had his demons and sadly they spelled the end of his career and now he just wants to put that behind him and keep moving forward be it through coaching opportunities or at the county level.

Don't care what [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] or [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] say but Monty is the greatest spinner to come out of England and the one with the most ability. He is 35 now so an international comeback is unlikely but if he can get back to playing FC cricket regularly that will be great for him, what a character you seriously can not dislike the guy.

Anyhow I'd take Monty even at the age of 50 over Rashid [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] :afridi

Oh I would too. To be rated by the likes of Rahul Dravid is no mean feat. Swann and Panesar were a very useful spin duo whenever England toured Asia.
 
It's not about him not knowing when to call it a day ExpressPacer, he just wants to get back to playing county level cricket regularly; for Monty it's about redemption on a personal level, as Markhor has said the man had his demons and sadly they spelled the end of his career and now he just wants to put that behind him and keep moving forward be it through coaching opportunities or at the county level.

Don't care what [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] or [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] say but Monty is the greatest spinner to come out of England and the one with the most ability. He is 35 now so an international comeback is unlikely but if he can get back to playing FC cricket regularly that will be great for him, what a character you seriously can not dislike the guy.

Anyhow I'd take Monty even at the age of 50 over Rashid [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] :afridi

I remember him running through India and he was remarkable to watch but he's not the future. Sure, he can play county as long as he wants to but England need to introduce Mason Crane into the Test side.

As for being the best English spinner, well, I agree to a certain extent. He's absolutely one of the bests and that is exactly why I think he should call it a day like Swann and not tarnish his legacy. However, if he wants to continue, he should. He could even be in the reckoning for the team sooner or later as more teams are getting desperate for spinners. Even the likes of NZ brought back Patel in his late 30's while England brought back Batty. So, all hope for him is not lost but right now would be a good time say goodbye.
 
I'd love to see him play for England again. English spin at its lowest ebb in history right now.
 
If Northants don't even want him in their 2nd xi due to his pretty poor performances last season then I think he's going to really struggle to get a gig anywhere to be bluntly honest.

He was a pretty good spinner whilst he was going but perhaps now it's time to call it a day and explore the other possible career paths such as coaching like he mentioned.

In terms of England hopes I think that's highly optimistic. Gotta be looking to the future with guys like Crane now.
 
Don't care what [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] or [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] say but Monty is the greatest spinner to come out of England and the one with the most ability.

Among English spinners I have seen he was below Swann, and no better than Emburey, Edmonds and Tufnell.

For the golden age of English spin you'd have to go back to Verity, Wardle, Laker and Lock.
 
Never a great spinner nonetheless he didn't help his chances but getting involved in needless things. His marriage fell apart that lead to many years in the wilderness. A likeable boy who should have done better had he applied himself more.
 
I was at Headingley when he was superb against Pakistan.

His delivery to Younis Khan is one of the best deliveries I have ever seen.
 
Among English spinners I have seen he was below Swann, and no better than Emburey, Edmonds and Tufnell.

For the golden age of English spin you'd have to go back to Verity, Wardle, Laker and Lock.

Monty always outbowled the heartless swann who threw in the towel when the going got tough. No one cares about the alleged golden age of spinners who feasted on uncovered tracks and made great use of wet wickets and nothing more, only old people rate them due to nostalgia.
 
Monty always outbowled the heartless swann who threw in the towel when the going got tough. No one cares about the alleged golden age of spinners who feasted on uncovered tracks and made great use of wet wickets and nothing more, only old people rate them due to nostalgia.

Swann was a notable level above Panesar.
 
I remember him running through India and he was remarkable to watch but he's not the future. Sure, he can play county as long as he wants to but England need to introduce Mason Crane into the Test side.

As for being the best English spinner, well, I agree to a certain extent. He's absolutely one of the bests and that is exactly why I think he should call it a day like Swann and not tarnish his legacy. However, if he wants to continue, he should. He could even be in the reckoning for the team sooner or later as more teams are getting desperate for spinners. Even the likes of NZ brought back Patel in his late 30's while England brought back Batty. So, all hope for him is not lost but right now would be a good time say goodbye.

England is not on Monty's mind at all, he just wants to work hard in order to play county cricket if possible and do a bit of coaching on the side with the aim of doing it full time when he is done officially. Realistically he will never play for England again even if he has a good couple of FC seasons, he knows the policy English selectors have so his international career has been done for a while now
 
I was at Headingley when he was superb against Pakistan.

His delivery to Younis Khan is one of the best deliveries I have ever seen.

Are you sure about that?


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"If I don’t play any more Tests then I will look back and be happy with the number I have played"

Well he seems to be happy with what he got. I would be upset if I had his abilities. This explains why he never made big, it is and was the lack of hunger..
 
U should have asked him the bowl to inzie - you know the one which made inzie fall onto his own wicket
 
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Haha. Classic Inzi that :)
 
Monty always outbowled the heartless swann who threw in the towel when the going got tough. No one cares about the alleged golden age of spinners who feasted on uncovered tracks and made great use of wet wickets and nothing more, only old people rate them due to nostalgia.

People who are students of the game care. If you were a student of the game, you would know that Laker bowled on dustbowls and stickies and roads and green mambas and fliers and minefields too. They wickets were varied in those days, not the homogenous puddings of today.

When you are old, you will gain wisdom, but some youngster will think you are out of date and irrelevant.

Monty didn't outbowl Swann. They bowled in tandem. Swann screwed the pressure down, so Monty got wickets as batters tried to hit him. I saw that with Warne and MacGill too - when they bowled together, the latter cleaned up. By your logic McGrath was therefore better than Warne.

I don't think Monty understood the lbw law - you would see him appealing for balls which would have missed another set of stumps. He couldn't set fields either - he needed Swann to do that for him from slip. Look at what happened in NZ after Swann took that tour off - on three unseasonally dusty tracks against players who do not play spin well, Monty took five wickets at 70.
 
Well he seems to be happy with what he got. I would be upset if I had his abilities. This explains why he never made big, it is and was the lack of hunger..

I don't think so. It was a combination of factors - he was basically a one-trick pony. He had the big spin ball away from the right hamnder, but he didn't drift it in like Swann or overspin it so it dropped fast like Tufnell could, dragging the batter down the pitch for the stumping chance. After a year or two of success, the top batters started learning him, and he couldn't counter them. Also, he had no batting or fielding skill - if he was a jackrabbit fielder then the lack of batting might can been covered over. Add to that his mental health issues and you have a truncated career.

I suppose you could say that if he was hungrier he might have developed more types of ball, become a safe fielder, and hung around with the bat like Anderson could.
 
People who are students of the game care. If you were a student of the game, you would know that Laker bowled on dustbowls and stickies and roads and green mambas and fliers and minefields too. They wickets were varied in those days, not the homogenous puddings of today.

When you are old, you will gain wisdom, but some youngster will think you are out of date and irrelevant.

Monty didn't outbowl Swann. They bowled in tandem. Swann screwed the pressure down, so Monty got wickets as batters tried to hit him. I saw that with Warne and MacGill too - when they bowled together, the latter cleaned up. By your logic McGrath was therefore better than Warne.

I don't think Monty understood the lbw law - you would see him appealing for balls which would have missed another set of stumps. He couldn't set fields either - he needed Swann to do that for him from slip. Look at what happened in NZ after Swann took that tour off - on three unseasonally dusty tracks against players who do not play spin well, Monty took five wickets at 70.

The only game which old people are student's of is that of nostalgia and no wisdom, ah the good ol days! when Laker exploited helpful conditions for spin! Monty is in a different league altogether to Laker and Swann combined, Swann threw in the towel when the going got tough, Monty has a superior IQ then all those spinners which is why the Australians hired him recently. Swann had to get tips of Monty on how not to get exposed in asia and for many years was cushioned thanks to Panesar, were it not for Monty then Swann's inabilities would have been emphasised but his weaknesses were concealed. Swan as you can see in many of his behaviours over the years is not the sharpest tool in the box, he was never mentally strong for cricket. Panesar is a former student of the prestigious Loughborough Univesity with a degree in computer science, he is just superior on every level imaginable.

When it comes to technical ability and IQ level Monty wins

When it comes to cricketing intelligence Monty wins

When it comes to talent Monty wins

When it comes to performing against high calibre opposition Monty wins


When it comes to throwing your toys out of the pram and throwing in the towel Swann wins

When it comes to dominating in favourable spin bowling conditions and nothing else Laker
 
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Good luck for the future Monty!

We, here in Pakistan, are rooting for you!
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45047512

Former England spinner Monty Panesar says he has sent letters to all 18 first-class counties in an attempt to revive his career.

Left-armer Panesar, who played 50 Tests for England, was released by Essex in 2015 and played briefly for Northamptonshire in 2016.

He told BBC World Service that he sent letters "four to six weeks ago".

"I'm hoping that one of the county coaches can give me a go - give me a net, give me a trial," he said.

"I still have huge ambitions to play in the professional game."

Panesar took 167 Test wickets at an average of 34.71 for England, and last played during the 5-0 Ashes whitewash in Australia in 2013.

He currently plays club cricket for Hornchurch in Essex.

"One of my goals is that I want to play county cricket again," he said.

"I want to hopefully get an opportunity somewhere with a team because I still have that desire."

Panesar spent much of his career at Northamptonshire, before joining Sussex in 2010. He was released in 2013 after urinating on a bouncer at a nightclub.

He moved to Essex but struggled for regular first-team cricket and was unavailable for selection in 2015 because of off-field issues. He later spoke about his struggles with anxiety and paranoia.
 
When it comes to technical ability and IQ level Monty wins


When it comes to throwing your toys out of the pram and throwing in the towel Swann wins

Remind me which one ended his career after showing his IQ with his drinking problems, and which one is still a legend.
 
Few months ago I met monty's dancing trainer for strictly come dancing. She said he had a really crappy attitude, he was rude and abusive towards her and blamed her for his injury. Overall she said he was a really crappy person.
 
Monty is finished not that he ever really started in the first place. It was the Sikh community being over happy and making a fuss of one of their cricketers being in the English side. I think he is a divorcee now after his wife left him as well.
 
Monty Panesar who is looking to make a comeback in professional cricket bowled at the Pakistani squad today in Kent. He told me he was particularly impressed with the strokeplay of Fakhar Zaman and Imam-ul-Haq.
 
Always liked Monty and it's always good to see a British Asian in the England cricket team. Want to see him bowling with Moeen one day for England.

Good luck Monty, hope he gets a county gig at some point!
 
I always used to like Monty.

Pity he doesn’t get more chances now.

A great servant for English Cricket and a role model for the Sikh community in England.
 
Sikh's don't have many role models at all in international sport. This guy sadly has also disappointed them. Leave out the "Asian" tag! He is of Indian ethnicity and Sikh by faith, he does not represent people of Pak ethnicity in any way at all.
 
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Sikh's don't have many role models at all in international sport. This guy sadly has also disappointed them. Leave out the "Asian" tag! He is of Indian ethnicity and Sikh by faith, he does not represent people of Pak ethnicity in any way at all.

Bit salty there, I would rather see some British Asians in the England cricket team than plain white faces.
 
Bit salty there, I would rather see some British Asians in the England cricket team than plain white faces.

I want to see British Pakistanis in Cricket and Football teams. I do not consider Indian, Bangladeshi or others as being representatives of Pak community at all. The "Asian" word that puts us all together is offensive.
 
Sikh's don't have many role models at all in international sport. This guy sadly has also disappointed them. Leave out the "Asian" tag! He is of Indian ethnicity and Sikh by faith, he does not represent people of Pak ethnicity in any way at all.

Opposite - for a community of at most 50 million across world, they are one of the dominant sportsmen in South Asia. Some of the best hockey players in history is Sikh, best Indian athlete till date is Milkha Singh. In cricket they have Bedi, Yuvraj, Maninder, Navjot and number of expat Sikh cricketers around from such a slam community actually tells that given opportunity to form a team from players/population either side of waga gate & global diaspora, they’ll form a formidable Test quality team instantly.

There are few soccer players as well who are star in south Asian context. Sikhs & Rajputs both use Singh title, therefore not sure whom are jatt Shikh, but there are at lest 4 Indian pro golfers with Singh surname - Jeev Milkha, Arjun Atwal, Joti Randhawa & a young man I can’t recall name now. Some of the best amateur boxers are Shikh, wrestlers as well and I think couple of Indian female field athletes (shot out, hammer, Javline, discuss) are Shikh, who has won gold at Asian & commonwealth level.

One thing I am getting a bit irritated with the unworthy arrogance of some posters here regarding their neighbours around, probably sports is the only area left now for that .... so I have started to respond; otherwise usually I don’t intrude in such topics.
 
I want to see British Pakistanis in Cricket and Football teams. I do not consider Indian, Bangladeshi or others as being representatives of Pak community at all. The "Asian" word that puts us all together is offensive.

But he is a Punjabi and lots of Pakistanis relate to that hence the reason cricketers like Kohli and Yuvraj are well liked in Pakistan.
 
I want to see British Pakistanis in Cricket and Football teams. I do not consider Indian, Bangladeshi or others as being representatives of Pak community at all. The "Asian" word that puts us all together is offensive.

lol, are you for real man, i grew up around bengalis and sikhs and muslim gujis, similar food, similar languages, in some cases same religion and shared families too, hate to break it to you but non-asians you will be a British Asian to regardless of any offense you feel.
 
Opposite - for a community of at most 50 million across world, they are one of the dominant sportsmen in South Asia. Some of the best hockey players in history is Sikh, best Indian athlete till date is Milkha Singh. In cricket they have Bedi, Yuvraj, Maninder, Navjot and number of expat Sikh cricketers around from such a slam community actually tells that given opportunity to form a team from players/population either side of waga gate & global diaspora, they’ll form a formidable Test quality team instantly.

There are few soccer players as well who are star in south Asian context. Sikhs & Rajputs both use Singh title, therefore not sure whom are jatt Shikh, but there are at lest 4 Indian pro golfers with Singh surname - Jeev Milkha, Arjun Atwal, Joti Randhawa & a young man I can’t recall name now. Some of the best amateur boxers are Shikh, wrestlers as well and I think couple of Indian female field athletes (shot out, hammer, Javline, discuss) are Shikh, who has won gold at Asian & commonwealth level.

One thing I am getting a bit irritated with the unworthy arrogance of some posters here regarding their neighbours around, probably sports is the only area left now for that .... so I have started to respond; otherwise usually I don’t intrude in such topics.

No one really gives a damn about Hockey for goodness sake! I don't regard even the past great Pakistani Hockey players as anything either. The Cricketers you mentioned of the Sikh faith are not great either other then perhaps Bishen Bedi. Lets face it that Cricketers generally are not seen as role models anywhere other then the subcontinent.

Just because some unknown Hindu or Sikh person has played some Sport does not make him a role model. We are talking of great sports people here not asking for representatives of any sport from these two faiths. Next you will be telling us how Vikram Solanki or Ravi Bopara were great as well! There are few....very few and far between. Panesar is no one at all in Sport, only the Sikhs once jumped around when hearing his name.
 
But he is a Punjabi and lots of Pakistanis relate to that hence the reason cricketers like Kohli and Yuvraj are well liked in Pakistan.

Sure Kohli even Tendulkar wasrespected in Pak but they are not one of us.
 
lol, are you for real man, i grew up around bengalis and sikhs and muslim gujis, similar food, similar languages, in some cases same religion and shared families too, hate to break it to you but non-asians you will be a British Asian to regardless of any offense you feel.

No I don't think so. Now the term British Pakistani and British Indian are much more common then British Asian. When a German, Italian, Frenchman or even Brit rarely call themselves Europeans then I follow the same rule. We should be known after the country of our ethnicity. Naturally we have similarities with neighbouring countries but ultimately we are Pakistanis!
 
No one really gives a damn about Hockey for goodness sake! I don't regard even the past great Pakistani Hockey players as anything either. The Cricketers you mentioned of the Sikh faith are not great either other then perhaps Bishen Bedi. Lets face it that Cricketers generally are not seen as role models anywhere other then the subcontinent.

Just because some unknown Hindu or Sikh person has played some Sport does not make him a role model. We are talking of great sports people here not asking for representatives of any sport from these two faiths. Next you will be telling us how Vikram Solanki or Ravi Bopara were great as well! There are few....very few and far between. Panesar is no one at all in Sport, only the Sikhs once jumped around when hearing his name.

No, next I could have said Abhinab Singh Bindra or Heena Sidhu or may Vijay Singh, who is Sikh by faith.

Field Hockey is at least 3 times more global game than Cricket - a sports which is professionally played by at least 20 of the strongest sporting nations. The bitter truth is 1/3rd of world's population lives in South Asia and Cricket is only sports where we can have a top 10 position - that too because only 10-12 teams play this game seriously and 5 of the 10 is in South Asia.

Talk about role model from cricket ........
 
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]No, next I could have said Abhinab Singh Bindra or Heena Sidhu or may Vijay Singh, who is Sikh by faith.[/B]

Field Hockey is at least 3 times more global game than Cricket - a sports which is professionally played by at least 20 of the strongest sporting nations. The bitter truth is 1/3rd of world's population lives in South Asia and Cricket is only sports where we can have a top 10 position - that too because only 10-12 teams play this game seriously and 5 of the 10 is in South Asia.

Talk about role model from cricket ........

None of them are even known by anyone never mind role models. No channel in the west covers field Hockey at all! Have never seen it on any TV channel at all other then Pak and Indian ones. I did not say Cricket was a great Sport either or had many role models by the way which is why I am relegating Monty to a nobody like most Sikh sports people! Hockey may be played professionally by so many countries yet it remains so very unpopular. I would say sports role models for coloured people today are like Mo Salah, Amir Khan, Pogba, Mane and even Sania Mirza for Indian people who are all Muslim. Then there are many black people from various sports as well.
 
Sikh's don't have many role models at all in international sport. This guy sadly has also disappointed them. Leave out the "Asian" tag! He is of Indian ethnicity and Sikh by faith, he does not represent people of Pak ethnicity in any way at all.

What about Jay Sean?
 
Shame he’s not been able to get a contract for two years
Surprise someone like Essex or even Sussex haven’t taken him on
 
None of them are even known by anyone never mind role models. No channel in the west covers field Hockey at all! Have never seen it on any TV channel at all other then Pak and Indian ones. I did not say Cricket was a great Sport either or had many role models by the way which is why I am relegating Monty to a nobody like most Sikh sports people! Hockey may be played professionally by so many countries yet it remains so very unpopular. I would say sports role models for coloured people today are like Mo Salah, Amir Khan, Pogba, Mane and even Sania Mirza for Indian people who are all Muslim. Then there are many black people from various sports as well.

You don't their name, doesn't mean no body knows them.

By the religion route, there are over 2 billion Muslims in world, so obviously there will be many Muslim sportsmen. The problem for Sikh community is out of their 50 million population, 80% comes from the weakest sports zone of world - south Asia, mostly India, few from PAK, and as far I know there are very few Sikh families as Bangladeshi national, living around Dhaka Gurudwara.

Out of the 2-3 million ethnic Sikhs that comes from sports strong nations, already they have Vijay Singh, former world No. 1 Golfer and triple Major winner. There is Olympic gold medalist from Sikh origin, and there is an NBA player of Sikh ethnicity, Canadian national. Bottom line is, they have enough role model, but most Indian Sikhs identify Indian superstars as their role model, rather than finding a role model on religion basis, otherwise Jasprit Singh Bumrah is also Sikh.
 
You don't their name, doesn't mean no body knows them.

By the religion route, there are over 2 billion Muslims in world, so obviously there will be many Muslim sportsmen. The problem for Sikh community is out of their 50 million population, 80% comes from the weakest sports zone of world - south Asia, mostly India, few from PAK, and as far I know there are very few Sikh families as Bangladeshi national, living around Dhaka Gurudwara.

Out of the 2-3 million ethnic Sikhs that comes from sports strong nations, already they have Vijay Singh, former world No. 1 Golfer and triple Major winner. There is Olympic gold medalist from Sikh origin, and there is an NBA player of Sikh ethnicity, Canadian national. Bottom line is, they have enough role model, but most Indian Sikhs identify Indian superstars as their role model, rather than finding a role model on religion basis, otherwise Jasprit Singh Bumrah is also Sikh.

There are always if's and what's! Lets stick to the facts here that hardly any Sikh sports people or anyone else for that matter are known worldwide. Of course Islam being the truth has more followers then Sikhism that is the way Muslim's look at it. Even the Sikh's living in the west have not prospered in any Sport. They are most rural people mostly villagers living in mud hits playing Sports like kabbadi if we can call it that!:srt The ones you have mentioned are not really known to me....there are many Muslim basketball players who I do not regard as role models just because of their faith. So yes as you correctly point out none of them are "superstars" like EPL players or fighters for that matter. Sikh's mostly look upon their coreligionists not Indians are role models, in this regard they are very different to Hindu's.
 
There are always if's and what's! Lets stick to the facts here that hardly any Sikh sports people or anyone else for that matter are known worldwide. Of course Islam being the truth has more followers then Sikhism that is the way Muslim's look at it. Even the Sikh's living in the west have not prospered in any Sport. They are most rural people mostly villagers living in mud hits playing Sports like kabbadi if we can call it that!:srt The ones you have mentioned are not really known to me....there are many Muslim basketball players who I do not regard as role models just because of their faith. So yes as you correctly point out none of them are "superstars" like EPL players or fighters for that matter. Sikh's mostly look upon their coreligionists not Indians are role models, in this regard they are very different to Hindu's.

Honestly speaking, you have very wrong conception of Desi society, cultures and related aspects of sub continent. Are you a British Pak?
 
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No, next I could have said Abhinab Singh Bindra or Heena Sidhu or may Vijay Singh, who is Sikh by faith.

Vijay Singh is Hindu. Singh surname is not exclusive to Punjabis, even Biharis/UPites/Rajasthanis/South Indians/North East people have Singh title. I personally know Tamil Christians with Singh as family surname.

Field Hockey is at least 3 times more global game than Cricket - a sports which is professionally played by at least 20 of the strongest sporting nations.

Field hockey is indeed more global but it isn't popular in the other countries apart from Nerherlands. Cricket is top 5 sport in quite a few non Asian countries, hockey doesn't rank high in the countries where it is played. In some countries men playing hockey are laughed at, it is strictly regarded as a women's sport in those places. There is no money in the sport either which dissuades youngsters from taking up the sport. In the last Champions Trophy MOM was receiving a cheque of 50$, that's how dead the sport is.
 
India's national sport is field hockey but it is barely a top 10 sport today. Cricket, football, kabaddi, badminton, tennis, wrestling, boxing, athletics, chess all are more high profile than hockey. The Hockey India League was such a flop that it has been scrapped off, total loss making enterprise. Even our TT, badminton and wrestling leagues are profitable in comparison, with more international participation and interest among the public. I used to be proud of India's hockey achievements in the past but this is such a low profile sport that I believe our so called hockey legends are a bit overrated. I mean if the 15th string athletes from all over the world compete it shouldn't be that difficult to win a few titles. Best athletes are diverted to other sports, especially the financially successful ones. So I agree with [MENTION=142169]PakLFC[/MENTION] in his assessment of hockey.
 
Honestly speaking, you have very wrong conception of Desi society, cultures and related aspects of sub continent. Are you a British Pak?

I don't believe in lumping brown people together. I know about British Pak culture. No reason for me to get look upon British Indians as our own people. We are Pakistanis and they are Indians, lets keep it like that.
 
Former England spinner Monty Panesar says he ‘may try and play Ranji Trophy this year’ in a bid to sustain his cricket career and sees Puducherry as an option because he thinks the ‘team allows overseas players to play’.

Panesar, who last played for England in 2013 is currently without a County side – since 2016 – and had recently revealed about his fight to overcome depression and drinking to excess in an autobiography named ‘The Full Monty’.

“I may try and play Ranji Trophy this year. I think there is one team — Puducherry — that allows overseas players to play,” Panesar said as quoted by The Telegraph.

However, the report further added that Puducherry official are in the dark over news on Panesar being in talks for a Ranji stint. Puducherry have already filled their quota of ‘guest players’ with Karnataka’s Vinay Kumar, Tamil Naud’s KB Arun Karthick joining the team this season, along with Himachal’s Paras Dogra, who had played for Puducherry last season.

However, as strange as it may sound, foreign players, rather overseas players, plying their trade in Indian domestic circuit is not a new thing. for 2006-07 season England internationals Vikram Solanki and Kabir Ali played for Rajasthan while Nayan Doshi, son of India spinner Dilip Doshi, played for Saurashtra way back in 2000-01 season.

There was also talks of West Indian Jermaine Lawson and England’s Darren Gough turning out for Maharashtra in 2006-07 season.

In fact, in 2007 a BCCI technical committee, chaired by Sunil Gavaskar, has set new stipulations to state associations for fielding a foreign player. The player can only be selected if he has played a minimum of 10 Tests or 20 ODIs.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...lay-in-the-ranji-trophy-for-puducherry-885283
 
The South Asian diaspora in the UK often becomes the victim of “casual racism” but it can’t be compared to what the Black community has to endure in everyday life, feels former England spinner of Indian origin Monty Panesar.

Speaking to PTI, Panesar said the racial profiling of the Black community has to end in his country and the authorities should prepare a five-year plan to eradicate the menace.

“If someone is driving a fancy car here with tinted windows and he happens to black, he is six times more likely to be stopped by the police than others. So, the fear of the cops is in the everyday life of the Black community here.

“That is what my Black friends tell me. They go to a supermarket store, the general mindset is that he could be here for shoplifting. If I keep something in my pocket, there won’t be added attention but they go through constant tension of being caught even though they have not done anything,” said Panesar, who took 167 wickets in 50 Tests.

Like the rest of the cricketing community, the 38-year-old too was moved by the stirring speech delivered by West Indian great Michael Holding against racism on day one of the first Test at Southampton.

“There should be a five-year plan for accelerated change. If no changes are made after giving speeches, then there is no point. The speech that Michael Holding gave, I have not seen anyone else delivering a message so powerfully like he did. He hit the nail on the head.

“And what better way to end racism than through cricket, through sport,” said Panesar, whose parents migrated to England from India in the 1970s.

Having born and brought up in England, Panesar said he and his community have experienced casual racism but the blacks have had it a lot tougher than them.

“The South Asian community also faces casual racism but nothing like what the Black community faces on a daily basis. Having said that, Sikh community has been doing social work for decades and has been spreading the message of love and that people have appreciated and they love us back.

“But when I talk to my Black friends, they fear getting caught by the cops even though they have not done anything wrong. It is high time we stop stereotyping them. They should be educated, promoted to have the white collar jobs like others.

“Sub-consciously we are so prejudiced against the Black community that we don't realise it, we don’t accept it. We need to get it out of our system.”

Panesar, who played for England from 2006 to 2013, said he was never racially discriminated during his time with the national team.

“I did not face it to be honest. I was most worried about doing my job properly so that that I don’t get an earful from the captain,” he said on a lighter note.

“If you are in a team, naturally you would have more things in common with the members of your community (be it Hindu, Muslim or Christian). But you must make the effort of mingling with all your teammates. It is very important in a team environment,” Panesar pointed out.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-role-indian-cricket-news/article32080954.ece
 
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