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a fall-out between 2 of the coaching staff and one player.

The harmony of the Champions Trophy only lasted for a short while.

Normality in Pakistan cricket is resumed.
 
It’s either shahzad or hafeez. The rest are too junior to have a falling out with the management.

Atleast i’d like to think that this would be case.
 
This is why I've been adamant about Sarfraz's behavior being a bad thing (not saying he has anything to do with this).

Pakistani cricket is incredibly volatile. Everyone thinks they're "top dog" and it shows when the team begins losing.

It's hilarious for any player to think they have a leg to stand on after this hapless performance.
 
Why did Arthur drop Hafeez anyway? It's good to have at least one experienced player in the lineup.
 
So disappointing...

Have my suspicion who the player is...

Let’s just say these “seniors” need to be booted out for good :facepalm:
 
Flower probably told hafeez to man up. Which probably left hafeez shattered, given what we know about his temperament
 
Now I'm going towards Hafeez since he's probably angry at Mickey and Inzi for not picking him.
 
It has to be either Hafeez, Sarfraz and Shehzad...

I will bet on Hafeez being the culprit here
 
Any details?

What did Hafeez and Arthur, Rixon argue about exactly?
 
Dont know who the player is but some of the selections have been very strange. The captain and coach should have stated this tour if one of expermintation and not we are here to win both series, which doesn't seem the case.

If the captain of a side cannot keep the harmony, he is not a real leader. :ik
 
Maybe hafeez was annoyed someone like babar was selected who had an average of 5-6 runs in the ODI series, whereby he scored some 50s and was dropped..

Whilst they shouldn't be complaining, and rather need to work on their weaknesses. Would it not annoy you if you scored some 50s but someone with an average of 5 runs (over 5 odis) was selected ahead of you?
 
shokz1408 said:
Maybe hafeez was annoyed someone like babar was selected who had an average of 5-6 runs in the ODI series, whereby he scored some 50s and was dropped..

Whilst they shouldn't be complaining, and rather need to work on their weaknesses. Would it not annoy you if you scored some 50s but someone with an average of 5 runs (over 5 odis) was selected ahead of you?
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Different formats.

Babar nearly averages 50+ in T20's.

There is no way Hafeez's inclusion is justified over Babar's in T20's...
 
msb314 said:
Different formats.

Babar nearly averages 50+ in T20's.

There is no way Hafeez's inclusion is justified over Babar's in T20's...
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Formats be what it may, but they're still playing in new zealand, and babar has barely been able to get bat to ball in those conditions, not surpassing 10 runs on any occasion in the ODIs.

Be honest, if you scored 50s and someone who couldn't make more than 10 runs after 5 tries was selected ahead of you, that would probably annoy you too.
 
shokz1408 said:
Formats be what it may, but they're still playing in new zealand, and babar has barely been able to get bat to ball in those conditions, not surpassing 10 runs on any occasion in the ODIs.

Be honest, if you scored 50s and someone who couldn't make more than 10 runs after 5 tries was selected ahead of you, that would probably annoy you too.
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Mickey Arthur does not have the greatest inter personal skills in the world. I am pretty sure Hafeez might have taken personal offence to harsh comments.
 
Savak said:
Mickey Arthur does not have the greatest inter personal skills in the world. I am pretty sure Hafeez might have taken personal offence to harsh comments.
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That's also likely, Mickey doesn't hold back with what he says, and hafeez probably took offence/felt himself being dropped was unjustified (as in theory he was one of the top performers, with a 60 and 80 odd score).

I don't see malik or sarfraz complaining. Ahmed shehzad, I could, based on him coming from pakistan and not being selected. Depends on what is classed as a senior, as he's still fairly young, its either him or hafeez..
 
If it helps, swords are being drawn against Kohli and Shastri on this side of the border too! And rightly so :) Asian cricket at its best!
 
shokz1408 said:
That's also likely, Mickey doesn't hold back with what he says, and hafeez probably took offence/felt himself being dropped was unjustified (as in theory he was one of the top performers, with a 60 and 80 odd score).

I don't see malik or sarfraz complaining. Ahmed shehzad, I could, based on him coming from pakistan and not being selected. Depends on what is classed as a senior, as he's still fairly young, its either him or hafeez..
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Mickey will be out in a years time. :ma :babar
 
Red Devil said:
Has to be Hafeez. Was surprised to see him benched in the first T20.
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What I am more surprised is that why are people even speculating of who it is? We all know there is only one person who would do this (given the events leading upto the 1st T20 and past baggage + History).
 
That's actually quite possible, but not sure if it's such a good idea with the 2019 WC on the way. Also, the players would prefer to have someone less tough, and then would probably do even worse. [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION]
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
What I am more surprised is that why are people even speculating of who it is? We all know there is only one person who would do this (given the events leading upto the 1st T20 and past baggage + History).
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What events are you referring to? :danish
 
shokz1408 said:
That's also likely, Mickey doesn't hold back with what he says, and hafeez probably took offence/felt himself being dropped was unjustified (as in theory he was one of the top performers, with a 60 and 80 odd score).

I don't see malik or sarfraz complaining. Ahmed shehzad, I could, based on him coming from pakistan and not being selected. Depends on what is classed as a senior, as he's still fairly young, its either him or hafeez..
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I think Shahzad knew very well that he would not play the first T20 because Amin scored 40 odd in his last game. Plus Shahzad should know better to count his stars that he is on tour once again let alone rotting in the domestic circuit.

If what Saj is saying is true, I have no doubt in my mind that it's Hafeez. The guy has been playing with a huge sense of entitlement since his return in 2010. Being dropped in a T20 even though he is clearly the only guy on tour that can actually connect with the ball against the quality opposition really is bizzare.

Many changes were highly bizzare tbh, what exactly was Nawaz doing at number 3?
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
What I am more surprised is that why are people even speculating of who it is? We all know there is only one person who would do this (given the events leading upto the 1st T20 and past baggage + History).
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There are literally only two senior players (30+) in the squad. And one of them is captain...
 
Rana said:
I think Shahzad knew very well that he would not play the first T20 because Amin scored 40 odd in his last game. Plus Shahzad should know better to count his stars that he is on tour once again let alone rotting in the domestic circuit.

If what Saj is saying is true, I have no doubt in my mind that it's Hafeez. The guy has been playing with a huge sense of entitlement since his return in 2010. Being dropped in a T20 even though he is clearly the only guy on tour that can actually connect with the ball against the quality opposition really is bizzare.

Many changes were highly bizzare tbh, what exactly was Nawaz doing at number 3?
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I also suspect it is Hafeez but do not know for sure.
 
msb314 said:
What events are you referring to? :danish
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When Whatmore became Coach and then we Toured SA in 2013 there was such a similar incident where Misbah and Hafeez (if my memory serves me right) had a falling out plus there were rumors that Hafeez and Whatmore had created a group which put Misbah under massive pressure during that entire debacle.

Although once Misbah came back he denied all allegations of such incidents & claimed that nothing had happened but if nothing had happened why did the Rumor surface. Even when you use an empty drum to make noise you actually need a drum in the first place right?

Additionally, Misbah was that sort of guy who intrinsically hated conflict and friction, which is also the reason why he was always in line with PCB policies, no matter what they were while I firmly believe that even if anything had happened during that SA tour Misbah would've just let it go (as he was actually a nice guy to boot).

Now similar to that horrid SA (Where Hafeez was made Steyn's bunny, in every sense of the word) we're kinda having a similar NZ one right now and if Hafeez had the gal to create trouble while scoring in single digits back then, he's got more of a leg to stand now since he's accumalated 2 50+ scores and has made the highest number of runs for Pakistan on the tour. This is why I said what I said.

All this is coming from someone who actually thinks Hafeez is a good player and has a role to play in our ODI team till 2019 though.
 
It would have been lovely if Mickey had dished out the hair dryer treatment against Prof. Just wish there was a video of it.


Unfortunately for MA, the Prof is well connected and his biggest fan is revolutionary himself. I don't expect MA to last long now.


You don't mess with the Mafia :hafeez2
 
Syed1 said:
It would have been lovely if Mickey had dished out the hair dryer treatment against Prof. Just wish there was a video of it.


Unfortunately for MA, the Prof is well connected and his biggest fan is revolutionary himself. I don't expect MA to last long now.


You don't mess with the Mafia :hafeez2
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So now the real question is, Can we give Hafeez the Al Capone Khitab of Pakistan Cricket ? :)) :))
 
Cricket teams always look in perfect harmony after a win, as long as the winning run continues. Once the run is halted and some losses start to pile up, these sort of things come up.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
What I am more surprised is that why are people even speculating of who it is? We all know there is only one person who would do this (given the events leading upto the 1st T20 and past baggage + History).
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Yeah, him getting benched in the last game pretty much confirms it. Normally, you'd expect him to always hog a spot in the line up.
 
Rana said:
I think Shahzad knew very well that he would not play the first T20 because Amin scored 40 odd in his last game. Plus Shahzad should know better to count his stars that he is on tour once again let alone rotting in the domestic circuit.

If what Saj is saying is true, I have no doubt in my mind that it's Hafeez. The guy has been playing with a huge sense of entitlement since his return in 2010. Being dropped in a T20 even though he is clearly the only guy on tour that can actually connect with the ball against the quality opposition really is bizzare.

Many changes were highly bizzare tbh, what exactly was Nawaz doing at number 3?
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It's likely that it's hafeez who complained, but exactly what I'm thinking, when he was one of the few batsman to score runs it's so bizarre that he was dropped in favour of non-performing batsmen.

I was shocked to see nawaz come in as early as 3, that was random. He only had one game before and there was no need to put him up at 3 already.
 
Red Devil said:
Yeah, him getting benched in the last game pretty much confirms it. Normally, you'd expect him to always hog a spot in the line up.
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Seeing Hafeez do all this just to play some meaningless T20s puts into perspective what a great human being THE PHENOM is !! The Sythce Wielding Reaper of Souls gets selected, lets mere mortals perform in the opening game. Gets benched and doesn't complain :14: :14: :14:

What a Champ :bow: :bow:
 
One thing is for sure, Pakistan are not heading in the direction they should be for the 2019 wc. They may fluke a couple of games in the tournament but things really are looking bad. They best hope that rain plays a major role
 
its funny how all the posters here are bashing the player, dont even know the name, but what about the coach?

AUstralia had a falling out with Arthur, so that gives a hint on how Arthur could be.
 
Major said:
its funny how all the posters here are bashing the player, dont even know the name, but what about the coach?

AUstralia had a falling out with Arthur, so that gives a hint on how Arthur could be.
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Regardless - the coach is a person of authority and needs to be obeyed and respected.

Indiscipline should not be tolerated unless Mickey himself acted out of line.
 
Major said:
its funny how all the posters here are bashing the player, dont even know the name, but what about the coach?

AUstralia had a falling out with Arthur, so that gives a hint on how Arthur could be.
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It is Hafeez . TV reports were also telling the same thing yesterday.

It is interesting how these things leak out of dressing room.
 
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msb314 said:
Regardless - the coach is a person of authority and needs to be obeyed and respected.

Indiscipline should not be tolerated unless Mickey himself acted out of line.
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a not really.

this respect crap is subcontinent thing.
 
Pak desperately needs a series against India. Nothing unites Pak better than a contest with India.

By not agreeing to play bilaterals, India is not only denying you the sponsors' $, but also your biggest unifying force.
 
Thats definitely Hafeez! If he can't get his bowling legal soon he should no longer be selected. He alongwith Malik should announce retirement in the upcoming home series vs West Indies in Pakistan and so they can have their "grand farewell" too at home
 
Hafeez can only be dropped from T20 if he played in the last one???

As far as i know, he is in the squad.

Besides, its tradition in pak cricket, "agr jana hi hai to bae-izzat ho ke jana hai...werna hum logu ka kukkar hazam nahi hota"
 
Dump Hafeez. These sainted seniors need to remember the national team doesn't exist to serve their ego - if you're not performing then you deserve everything you get from the coaching staff.
 
These seniors are beghairat. I don’t think Sarfraz is man enough to drop them from the playing Xl.
 
Major said:
a not really.

this respect crap is subcontinent thing.
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It’s pretty unprofessional to blame leagues for your team’s bad performance, questioning their committment. Rather than taking blame yourself, praising the opposition or looking how the team can look to improve. Mickey has made some pretty poor tactical blunders, not playing two spinners against sl in uae, it’s not like he escapes blame. I’d understand how some might be angry, sportsman are people at the end of the day and playing the odd league helps them support their family. Afterall a sportsman ‘s career is very short. Its really just an easy get out for the coach to blame that and in most cases just isnt true.

If Hafeez had a problem however should have just reported it. And the pcb could look into it. Confrontation isnt needed. If the issue is over just Hafeez’s performance however than it isnt justified. Hafeez might have been less rubbish than most but a sub 30 average on a series is not a good series at all. Its still bad. And his t20 form last few years has been awful.
 
Don't know why people are worrying about World Cup '19.

Team's got to win Today!

This building teams for World Cup is 1990s thinking when there was much less cricket, much less money, no rankings etc.

If someone doesn't help you win today, forget 2019 and drop him now.
 
If it is hafeez then perfect excuse to get rid of him and good riddance and take malik with you as well please!
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Don't know why people are worrying about World Cup '19.

Team's got to win Today!

This building teams for World Cup is 1990s thinking when there was much less cricket, much less money, no rankings etc.

If someone doesn't help you win today, forget 2019 and drop him now.
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Well said. Your frustration is shared by whole PP community (Pak/Indians etc.)

And even if we win '19 WC... the way some 'seniors' behave is an disgrace for the whole squad (and nation) :facepalm:

Sometimes it ain't about winning or losing. We are the joke of world cricket now.

Always some drama happening. Players in-fighting, fixing, saying stuff to media... to name a few. :facepalm:

I am not hurt by loss to NZ. They are a better team and we are #8 but the way some of our players behave is sad and makes one lose faith in Pak cricket.
 
Saj said:
a fall-out between 2 of the coaching staff and one player.

The harmony of the Champions Trophy only lasted for a short while.

Normality in Pakistan cricket is resumed.
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Surely this cannot be the cause of inept batting performance during the tour. Unless there are divisions between the squad....
 
"Analysts" of Pakistan media are already blaming Mickey for all the failures and are begging for Inzimam's interference in the team management
 
It's got to be Hafeez. As much as people hate Shehzad, I don't see him getting involved in any controversy and under Arthur he's been managed better.

This is our chance to get rid of Hafeez. If he didn't play the game in protest. He should be gone. Pakistan cricket team isn't his personal property and he is not immune to critiscm. So he should take it and look to do the talking with his bat instead of playing politics. Don't think there is a future for both Arthur and Hafeez, one will have to go. Hafeez is the one with the connections so he is the likely one to survive.
 
Major said:
a not really.

this respect crap is subcontinent thing.
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No it isn't.

In any organization - it is expected that you should respect and follow instructions of your boss or any person of authority.

Disagreeing is fine but you have to be respectful.
 
PakSarZameen said:
Why is Hafeez the problem? Why cannot it be Mickey?
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Because everyone is aware of the fact that Hafeez has a sense of entitlement when it comes to the Pakistan team. Mickey is sick of carrying two passengers consistently in the side. When a senior cricketer is scared of getting in line with the ball, the younger players will be automatically demoralized.
 
How dare the tough talker disrespect the professor
 
The problem with Hafeez is, sometimes he is his own enemy. He and only himself still believes he is the best batsman and bowler within Pakistan squad. He should have been discarded after his bowling ban as he does not offer anything to team.
 
The player was told he did not fit into the team plans and then told that the coach was not sure what was his best batting position in the team.
 
Saj said:
The player was told he did not fit into the team plans and then told that the coach was not sure what was his best batting position in the team.
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If I was Mickey - I would tell this player his best batting position is 6/7 if he could bowl. Otherwise - 12th man...
 
Hafeez has always had a bit of an ego problem, and before anyone says "BUT WAIT, DON'T POINT FINGERS, THERE'S NO OFFICIAL RELEASE", it doesn't take much to connect the dots about who else would be causing problems like this.

This is the guy when asked about his issues vs the new ball in tests was like "Alhamdullilah I'm the best at what I do, blessed in all 5 facets of the game, bowling, batting, catching, captaining, commentating". He has severe delusions about his own abilities and thinks he is better than he actually is.
 
Suleiman said:
Hafeez has always had a bit of an ego problem, and before anyone says "BUT WAIT, DON'T POINT FINGERS, THERE'S NO OFFICIAL RELEASE", it doesn't take much to connect the dots about who else would be causing problems like this.

This is the guy when asked about his issues vs the new ball in tests was like "Alhamdullilah I'm the best at what I do, blessed in all 5 facets of the game, bowling, batting, catching, captaining, commentating". He has severe delusions about his own abilities and thinks he is better than he actually is.
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Commentating?
 
Saj said:
The player was told he did not fit into the team plans and then told that the coach was not sure what was his best batting position in the team.
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I have no issues if coach feels a certain player doesn't fits in the team, in-spite of being one of few batsmen who've done decently on an otherwise failed tour, but pray tell me, why would any coach reveal that directly to a player, & not the board, that too in the middle of an overseas tour?
 
style_guru said:
I have no issues if coach feels a certain player doesn't fits in the team, in-spite of being one of few batsmen who've done decently on an otherwise failed tour, but pray tell me, why would any coach reveal that directly to a player, & not the board, that too in the middle of an overseas tour?
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Yes, the coach should contact the board before selecting a team each game.

What an absurd post.
 
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