Another Explosion in Kabul - how long before they blame Pakistan again?

[Enigma_]

A suicide car bomb killed has killed at least 24 people as well as the bomber and injured another 40 people early on Monday morning in a western neighbourhood of Afghanistan’s capital Kabul where several prominent politicians reside.

The bomber appeared to have rammed into a minibus, but interior ministry spokesman Najib Danish said was not clear whether the bus and its occupants were the target. Investigators were still at the scene.

Buses carrying government workers have been targeted previously, but Danish said the bus was badly burned and it wasn’t immediately known whether the occupants were government employee

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/24/afghanistan-dozens-dead-kabul-bombing-politicians

So how long before this incompetent government blames Pakistan again? I'd give it a few hours.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Dozens of people have just died - was that really the first thought which popped into your head.

 

[Enigma_]

Dozens of people have just died - was that really the first thought which popped into your head.

Yes because until there government realises that their problem is their own and stop the finger pointing then and only then can the innocents be saved. Otherwise sit tight.

 

[ExpressPacer]

The Indian Government blaming Pakistan for any terror or explosions is ironic but the Afghan Govt. accusing Pakistan of sponsoring terrorism in Afghanistan is downright hypocritical. The irony is through the roof. Afghanistan is responsible for 90% of the terrorism that goes on in Pakistan. Majority of the terrorists captured are Afghans. The ones who aren't Afghans receive training by Afghans in Afghanistan. It is beyond my understanding how Afghanistan can even have the audacity to hold Pakistan responsible for their OWN problems?

Blind support of India isn't going land them anywhere but in deeper predicaments. The comedic factor of the entire situation is that Afghanistan is in somewhat of a dilemma. To ensure India of their support, they are quick to blame Pakistan but as soon as Pakistan decides to close the Torkham border, it wreaks havoc in Afghanistan and they fall to the low level of practically begging Pakistan to resume trade.

Afghanistan is a third world country and their accusations aren't going hurt Pakistan one bit. All it does is that it'll keep India under the illusion that they have been successful in "isolating" Pakistan and keep deluding Afghanistan that they are somehow stronger than a nuclear power.

 

[Varun]

I don't understand: why does Afghanistan like us so much - both the government and its people?

What have we ever done for them and what have we even got in common?

It wasn't fun when one of our planes was hijacked in Kandahar over the New Year of 1999 - 2000, and that's an incident which most Indians remember.

 

[Slog]

I don't understand: why does Afghanistan like us so much - both the government and its people?

What have we ever done for them and what have we even got in common?
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Because India is a big adversary to Pakistan and so is Afghanistan

And obviously Afghanistan cannot compete with Pakistan on most metrics whereas India is ahead of Pakistan in many of these metrics so it is proxy-support.

They can't feel good about it on their own so they piggy-back on you guys.

Mind you. This is temporary. Afghans have historically been very racist towards Indians (who they refer to as 'daal khors') and down right look down upon anyone east of the Indus River. This recent love is political expedience but in reality they think they are genetically superior or sth to Indians

 

[czar]

I don't understand: why does Afghanistan like us so much - both the government and its people?

What have we ever done for them and what have we even got in common?

It wasn't fun when one of our planes was hijacked in Kandahar over the New Year of 1999 - 2000, and that's an incident which most Indians remember.

The Hijacking happened during the period when Taliban were ruling Afghanistan and were a puppet state of Pakistan.

After the War on Terror, the Afghan Taliban government was toppled from Kabul and the New Government was formed which was more Pro -India. A lot of development is being undertaken by India, there are lot of Indian Workers in Afghanistan who are helping in building the country post War.

And important fact is unlike one of the other neighbor, India has never never supported or funded Taliban who have always oppressed the people in Afghanistan.

There is a reason why Indian embassy gets attacked in Kabul, the growing Indian influence in Afghanistan is unbearable for some.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I don't understand: why does Afghanistan like us so much - both the government and its people?

What have we ever done for them and what have we even got in common?

It wasn't fun when one of our planes was hijacked in Kandahar over the New Year of 1999 - 2000, and that's an incident which most Indians remember.

A common enemy called Pakistan. Let's not kid ourselves here, both Afghanistan and India see us as the enemy one due to religious context and Kashmir issue, the other due to some fairy tale fed by older generations who claim the greater KPK are as their own land.

I can understand India being the enemy but Afghanistan clearly is the minnow in this three way triangle and should most probably refrain from a direct confrontation tbh

 

[Varun]

Mind you. This is temporary. Afghans have historically been very racist towards Indians (who they refer to as 'daal khors') and down right look down upon anyone east of the Indus River. This recent love is political expedience but in reality they think they are genetically superior or sth to Indians

Well, we the people of India don't care much for them either. Of course, it might be different when it comes to the GoI but I'm sure they're getting their bang for the buck with this one.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I don't understand: why does Afghanistan like us so much - both the government and its people?

What have we ever done for them and what have we even got in common?

It wasn't fun when one of our planes was hijacked in Kandahar over the New Year of 1999 - 2000, and that's an incident which most Indians remember.

Its pretty simple. You just need to read through history to understand. Afghanistan has always had an extremely negative image of Pakistan and has downright hated Pakistan. I say this without any biases and I have proof of it. In 1947, Afghanistan was one of the only few countries who refused to accept Pakistan as a sovereign state and did not do so until a long time.

This could be the result of jealousy or anything really. Their opinion of Pakistan did not change despite Pakistan taking in millions of war refugees, giving aid and playing a key role in rebuilding Afghanistan. And ever since relations between India and Pakistan worsened, it gave them a natural reason to have a lot of love and support for India, not because India did them any favours but because India and Pakistan are rivals.

 

[Slog]

Its pretty simple. You just need to read through history to understand. Afghanistan has always had an extremely negative image of Pakistan and has downright hated Pakistan. I say this without any biases and I have proof of it. In 1947, Afghanistan was one of the only few countries who refused to accept Pakistan as a sovereign state and did not do so until a long time.

This could be the result of jealousy or anything really. Their opinion of Pakistan did not change despite Pakistan taking in millions of war refugees, giving aid and playing a key role in rebuilding Afghanistan. And ever since relations between India and Pakistan worsened, it gave them a natural reason to have a lot of love and support for India, not because India did them any favours but because India and Pakistan are rivals.

It was the ONLY country

 

[santos11]

There are many Afghan students in New Delhi/ NCR who have also lived in / have relatives who live in Pakistan , many of whom hold Pakistan responsible for the current mess in their country.

An Afghan living in India is much more appreciating of India than an Afghan living in Pakistan is about Pakistan.

 

[ExpressPacer]

It was the ONLY country

Yes, you're right. I was about to write 'only' but I wasn't sure whether or not Israel accepted Pakistan as a sovereign state.

 

[A.A.Z]

There are many Afghan students in New Delhi/ NCR who have also lived in / have relatives who live in Pakistan , many of whom hold Pakistan responsible for the current mess in their country.

An Afghan living in India is much more appreciating of India than an Afghan living in Pakistan is about Pakistan.

The Afghans living in Pakistan are very appreciative about living in Pakistan. They beg to stay longer and not to go back to Afghanistan, they are ready to drop their afghan identity and be identified as just pathans if that means getting to live in Pakistan. They also support the Afghan taliban government and hate this new puppet government in place. They are more terrified about the emergence of Isis in Afghanistan than anything else.

They say the current government uses heroine and poppy to generate funds while the Taliban had ended the production of drugs. They don't understand why American forces and Nato continue to stay in Afghanistan when their objective to wipe out Al Qaeda has been achieved. They want to go back to the 1995-2001 period when the taliban were in charge. They say the Tajiks and Hazaras, who are a tiny minority support the current situation because it gives them supremacy over the pathans who make up most of the country. They also point out rampant paedophilia in the country something the Taliban had managed to stop.

 

[Varun]

The Afghans living in Pakistan are very appreciative about living in Pakistan. They beg to stay longer and not to go back to Afghanistan, they are ready to drop their afghan identity and be identified as just pathans if that means getting to live in Pakistan. They also support the Afghan taliban government and hate this new puppet government in place. They are more terrified about the emergence of Isis in Afghanistan than anything else.

They say the current government uses heroine and poppy to generate funds while the Taliban had ended the production of drugs. They don't understand why American forces and Nato continue to stay in Afghanistan when their objective to wipe out Al Qaeda has been achieved. They want to go back to the 1995-2001 period when the taliban were in charge. They say the Tajiks and Hazaras, who are a tiny minority support the current situation because it gives them supremacy over the pathans who make up most of the country. They also point out rampant paedophilia in the country something the Taliban had managed to stop.

Surely there's more to it than that, the Taliban can't be smelling of roses and daisies. If your post above is listing the pros, what are the cons of having the Taliban (of all people) ruling over the country?

 

[ExpressPacer]

The good thing about this entire fiasco is that Pakistani's need not to worry because 1) Afghanistan is a war-torn, instable country that can't even hold a candle to Pakistan to Pakistan and 2) It keeps Indians under the impression that they are so far ahead of Pakistan only to fall into the depths of despair for their delusion.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Oh, I thought this was one of those RIP threads.

 

[Waseem]

There are many Afghan students in New Delhi/ NCR who have also lived in / have relatives who live in Pakistan , many of whom hold Pakistan responsible for the current mess in their country.

An Afghan living in India is much more appreciating of India than an Afghan living in Pakistan is about Pakistan.

True Pakistan is also responsible for the mess Afghanistan has been in for a few centuries. I don't need to waste time explaining how Afghan immigrants destroyed Pakistan during Soviet invasion.

 

[A.A.Z]

Surely there's more to it than that, the frikkin' Taliban can't be smelling of roses and daisies. If your post above is listing the pros, what are the cons of having the Taliban (of all people) ruling over the country?

The taliban have been made out to be something they're not. They are a right-wing political party like Jamat Islami or Shiv Sena. They were no worse than that but in a country like Afghanistan you can get away with a lot more when you're in power because there are no institutions to keep you in check but that applies to the current government as well. Although the current government is better than the Karzai government where heroine production, paedophilia, the system of warlords were all brought back to the mainstream.

The cons of the Taliban are they are a conservative right-wing party who sideline the liberals or the centrists, not much different to the BJP or Shiv Sena. They are a pathan based party which is the largest ethnic group in the country so when they come to power they sideline the other ethnic groups not much different to Pmln and Punjabis in Pakistan. What went wrong for them is their support of Al Qaeda who decided to conduct 9/11. But parties like Shiv Sena, Jamati Islami, Rss and the like all have militant wings, it's something of a norm in our part of the world. But with Al Qaeda gone, the taliban distancing themselves from them, and still controlling a vast amount of the country it's time to negotiate peace. The only issue is the Taliban want peace negotiations to be on their terms and the puppet government want it to be on their terms.

The Taliban government became insurgents when the Americans invaded, but they aren't actually conventional terrorists, the Taliban is actually engaged in a bloody war with the newly emerging Isis-K in the country because they don't believe in the Isis ideology and they don't want further spread of rampant terrorism in their country. To get a better idea of the Taliban you should watch the Brad Pitt movie War Machine on netflix. Even though it's made from an American anti taliban viewpoint it's actually very factually accurate and witty.

 

[AFG_Brit]

18 posts on this thread and majority of the posts are by Pakistanis talking about how bad afghans are and no one cares about the loss of afghans. More then 30 people lost their lives. Forget about their nationality, atleast care for them as human beings!

 

[Pakistanian]

Why do all the Nepalis I meet hate India lol? It's cause India meddles in their country and tries to bully them.

Anyways, RIP to all the victims. Afghanistan has been in a state of civil war for the last 50 years, so I really feel for their people.

 

[PakLFC]

Pak does not always blame Afghans for bombings in Pak like they do us. No country can really fight terrorism for the other. Pak military has done a great job in reducing terrorism in the country. I feel the bombings in Lahore today are related to the situation with our PM. It is not Pak's fault that the Afghan army are ineffective in fighting terrorism on their own soil. Afghanistan is a messed up country with more terrorist groups then EPL has Football sides but the easiest thing for them is to blame Pakistan for everything. Why don't they ever blame the American's. I am glad that Pak is sending Afghan refugees back home and sealing the border. It is Pak that has suffered the most due to Afghanistan since the Soviet invasion.

 

[King-Misbah]

18 posts on this thread and majority of the posts are by Pakistanis talking about how bad afghans are and no one cares about the loss of afghans. More then 30 people lost their lives. Forget about their nationality, atleast care for them as human beings!

Dont take them too seriously, may Allah swt grant to those who died a place in heaven. Humanity first!