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The England-India Test series is finally over, and it was another disappointing overseas result for the visitors, a team that was expected to topple the hosts returning with a very poor 1-4 loss.
The biggest problems for India were their batting, their poor selections and some uninspiring captaincy from Virat Kohli at various stages of the series.

Indian batting heavily relied on their experienced batsmen ahead of this series. Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Murali Vijay and Virat Kohli were expected to draw from their experience of the 2014 Test series to guide the newcomers. Even though Kohli exceeded all expectations by becoming the highest run-getter from either side, he did not receive the support he needed to pull his team out of the woods.

Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane took a long time to get adjusted to the conditions, and their performances even after that were patchy. Pujara scored that brilliant hundred at Southampton but failed in both the innings at the Oval. Ajinkya Rahane made some useful contributions throughout without converting any of his starts to a big one.

The opening combination was tinkered with a lot in the first three Tests. Murali Vijay, who had a very poor start to the series, was discarded after the first two Tests. Shikhar Dhawan got few starts but his technical frailties did not allow him to convert those into a big one.

KL Rahul also got to some decent starts but could not make use of those opportunities until the last innings of the series, when he showed what he is capable of. His catching, though, was a huge asset for India in this series, as the Indian slip cordon has been very unreliable over the past year or so.

The Indian bowlers, though, soldiered on tirelessly throughout the series, keeping the visitors in the game despite the constant batting failures. They were not helped by some unimaginative leadership by their captain, though. Kohli, for all the runs he scored in the series, made some poor tactical errors which cost India dearly.

India had England on the mat more than once in the series only to allow their tail to rescue them. India had hosts 7/87 in the first Test, 6/86 in the fourth and 7/182 in the fifth Test. In all these scenarios England managed to forge some crucial late-order partnerships to get themselves out of the woods.

Virat Kohli at times looked short of answers and his field placements involved mostly following rather than sticking to the basics. The team selection throughout the series was poor. India at the end of the tour leave the English shores uncertain of their combination which they were very sure of at the start of the series.

The series overall captured all the issues India have been ignoring over the past few years. The series overall was a disappointing one and the team management have lots to answer for this debacle. The team progress over the years has been hindered by some rigid selections from Virat Kohli and Ravi Shastri. Their reluctance to try out young players have cost them dearly in all three formats of the game.

The next stop for India will be the home Test series against West Indies. This will be the only opportunity for India to try and sort out the combination for the Australian tour later this year.
 
They will easily defeat a poor West Indies at home. As for the recent tour of England at least they won a Test. This is what Indian fans believe that it was an okay series for them:dw
 
Massive opportunity missed. This was India's best chance to win in England in decades.

I hold openers responsible for this defeat. Dhawan and Rahul didn't have any long partnership at all and middle order had to take a lot of burden.

We needed someone like Akash Chopra who can blunt the attack and make batting easier for middle order.
 
Oh, it wasn't wasted.

India had the opportunity in 2018 to achieve greatness by winning away series to massively weakened South African and Australian teams and against a mediocre England.

And if they had arrived early enough I think the players were good enough to do it.

Instead they have already completely blown it before they even get to Australia. Even if they win 4-0 in Australia, everyone will just laugh and say "that's because Australia's only two decent batsmen are suspended".

If India had a smarter captain and a competent coach they would have already been in England and Ireland playing 3 and 4 day matches when Pakistan were playing Tests there in May.

If need be they could have played a 3 Test series in Ireland!

England are deeply mediocre - Root is the only Test class batsman. The bowlers are all medium paced.

South Africa were massively under-strength because the likes of Kyle Abbott have departed because racial quotas ensure that inferior non-white cricketers have to be included at their expense.

Yet still India managed to lose to both England and South Africa.
 
Yes, India have missed two great opportunities in their respective tours to SA and England. Both were great chances missed out.

Unfortunate, but this has been a very mediocre decade for India in tests, having toured England thrice and getting whacked all the times, having toured SA thrice and having toured Australia twice already with third to come up.

Barring that one series draw in SA in 2010, there is nothing to talk about. No success in NZ as well. Yes, they won against a weaked SL and WI but that only shows mediocrity of the team.
 
An opportunity missed for India. England have a lot of problems in tests whilst Indian team is settled and experienced in overseas conditions. Some poor selection,tatcial mistakes by Kohli in the field,and poor batting were the main reasons for the series defeat.
 
Lost opportunity yes especially against a weak England side but wasted series? Why?
Kohli has buried the ghosts of last England tour
Bumrah has come out as a shining star
Overall pace bowling unit again showed it can deliver as a group
Jadeja showed he can battle it out when needed
100s in the last test 4th innings by Pant and Rahul could give them so much confidence

Winning the series would have taken this team close to being the best ever Indian team, losing 1-4 shows they are still a work in progress team and should shed any overconfidence of thinking too far ahead of themselves.
 
We had an opportunity to beat both South Africa and England but we wasted those opportunities by selecting wrong playing XI and by not having enough match practice. Bhuvi and Bumrah are also responsible for getting themselves injured just before the England tour.
 
Lost opportunity yes especially against a weak England side but wasted series? Why?
Kohli has buried the ghosts of last England tour
Bumrah has come out as a shining star
Overall pace bowling unit again showed it can deliver as a group
Jadeja showed he can battle it out when needed
100s in the last test 4th innings by Pant and Rahul could give them so much confidence

Winning the series would have taken this team close to being the best ever Indian team, losing 1-4 shows they are still a work in progress team and should shed any overconfidence of thinking too far ahead of themselves.
Work in progress? I hear this same thing over and over again. Most of the players have already toured England before. Same thing was said then also that they will play much better next time. This was the best opportunity to beat England and we wasted it. That's what OP is talking about.

Personal milestones are good for an individual player but overall as a team we lost by 1-4 and that is very poor.
 
Oh, it wasn't wasted.

India had the opportunity in 2018 to achieve greatness by winning away series to massively weakened South African and Australian teams and against a mediocre England.

And if they had arrived early enough I think the players were good enough to do it.

Instead they have already completely blown it before they even get to Australia. Even if they win 4-0 in Australia, everyone will just laugh and say "that's because Australia's only two decent batsmen are suspended".

If India had a smarter captain and a competent coach they would have already been in England and Ireland playing 3 and 4 day matches when Pakistan were playing Tests there in May.

If need be they could have played a 3 Test series in Ireland!

England are deeply mediocre - Root is the only Test class batsman. The bowlers are all medium paced.

South Africa were massively under-strength because the likes of Kyle Abbott have departed because racial quotas ensure that inferior non-white cricketers have to be included at their expense.

Yet still India managed to lose to both England and South Africa.

Well said. But don't underestimate likes of Khwaja and Marsh; they'll bat like Bradman at home. If India want to win in Australia then they must prepare like there's no tomorrow. Otherwise they may lose that series as well.
 
Indian bowlers will face their most difficult test in Australia, where you need hit-the-deck bowlers as compared to bowlers who will move the ball. The batting might do well, but the bowling won't be able to take 20 wickets consistently.
 
Work in progress? I hear this same thing over and over again. Most of the players have already toured England before. Same thing was said then also that they will play much better next time. This was the best opportunity to beat England and we wasted it. That's what OP is talking about.

Personal milestones are good for an individual player but overall as a team we lost by 1-4 and that is very poor.

Work in progress is the status of the team under Kohli outside Asia. He's now captained in two series - SA and England . Yes the scoreline reads 2-6, and as I said, there were opportunities across all tests which could have turned the result differently.

Am not defending the team, but to call it a 'wasted series' as the thread title says is a bit OTT.
 
Work in progress is the status of the team under Kohli outside Asia. He's now captained in two series - SA and England . Yes the scoreline reads 2-6, and as I said, there were opportunities across all tests which could have turned the result differently.

Am not defending the team, but to call it a 'wasted series' as the thread title says is a bit OTT.

Indian team always have been a 'work in progress' on tours outside of Asia. During dhoni era it was all about the 'process' and now we have the Kohli era where team is 'work under progress'. The same players are going to retire and get replaced and nothing is going to change for indian team.
 
Indian team always have been a 'work in progress' on tours outside of Asia. During dhoni era it was all about the 'process' and now we have the Kohli era where team is 'work under progress'. The same players are going to retire and get replaced and nothing is going to change for indian team.

Whatever you want to believe, each to his own. I will always be optimistic about my team :)
 
For me this has been a very disappointing series . In comparison Indian team played much better in South Africa as compared to England . Virat Kohli has been the only successful batsman in South Africa and England and in this kind of situation you can never win in those countries . If we are still celebrating moral victories and than we are just encouraging mediocrity . Most of the people have called this bowling attack as world class which I don't agree with . I don't think any world class bowling attack will allow the lower order batsmen so many runs again and again . This bowling attack has the potential to be brilliant but they still need to learn a lot . Virat Kohli's captaincy has been unimpressive . Whenever there is a counterattack he goes defensive and has no idea what is going on . Individually this has been a brilliant series for Virat Kohli, Ishant Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah . I feel Mohammad Shami could have bowled much better in this series . He gives too many boundary balls which releases the pressure .
 
Oh, it wasn't wasted.

India had the opportunity in 2018 to achieve greatness by winning away series to massively weakened South African and Australian teams and against a mediocre England.

And if they had arrived early enough I think the players were good enough to do it.

Instead they have already completely blown it before they even get to Australia. Even if they win 4-0 in Australia, everyone will just laugh and say "that's because Australia's only two decent batsmen are suspended".

If India had a smarter captain and a competent coach they would have already been in England and Ireland playing 3 and 4 day matches when Pakistan were playing Tests there in May.

If need be they could have played a 3 Test series in Ireland!

England are deeply mediocre - Root is the only Test class batsman. The bowlers are all medium paced.

South Africa were massively under-strength because the likes of Kyle Abbott have departed because racial quotas ensure that inferior non-white cricketers have to be included at their expense.

Yet still India managed to lose to both England and South Africa.

Rabada and Ngidi are hardly "inferior" cricketers to Abbott, especially considering the former topped the bowling charts for quite a while with exceptional bowling performances.

Just because a player is white doesn't automatically qualify him to be superior, that's racist assumption
 
NZ, Pakistan and a full strength Aus would have beaten this Eng team.

This is the weakest I've seen them in years. Anderson, Broad and Cook are all done and Root was poor for most of the series.

Embarrassing to lose 4-1. NZ drew 1-1 and Pakistan drew 2-2 to a stronger England teams.
 
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NZ, Pakistan and a full strength Aus would have beaten this Eng team.

This is the weakest I've seen them in years. Anderson, Broad and Cook are all done and Root was poor for most of the series.

Embarrassing to lose 4-1. NZ drew 1-1 and Pakistan drew 2-2 to a stronger England teams.

Don't forget Stokes was in and out, almost went to jail and was injured. There was a teenage debutant in Curran (who bowled better than the Indians imo and batted good too), a wicket keeper issue and an opening pair that did not perform....and England still won 3 games by big margins.

If this India is the top test team going then I fear for test cricket.
 
Indian team always have been a 'work in progress' on tours outside of Asia. During dhoni era it was all about the 'process' and now we have the Kohli era where team is 'work under progress'. The same players are going to retire and get replaced and nothing is going to change for indian team.

Something has changed.Our bowling culture.There are a dozen 140 kph bowlers in the domestic circuit now,its not going away.In any case at least we can say we have won a series in england in modern times,wish same could be said for pak.
 
Something has changed.Our bowling culture.There are a dozen 140 kph bowlers in the domestic circuit now,its not going away.In any case at least we can say we have won a series in england in modern times,wish same could be said for pak.
You can also say you have got mauled and embarrased in England on your last three tours. You definitely wish you could say the same about Pakistan :))
 
You can also say you have got mauled and embarrased in England on your last three tours. You definitely wish you could say the same about Pakistan :))

Pakistan a side that loses tests to Zim, WI and gets whitewashed by SL at home :)

Doing well in England is the only thing you have got.
 
Something has changed.Our bowling culture.There are a dozen 140 kph bowlers in the domestic circuit now,its not going away.In any case at least we can say we have won a series in england in modern times,wish same could be said for pak.

I agree that the bowling has slightly improved but the batting has gotten worse. So, all in all when it comes to net difference its still ZERO.

Even in terms of bowlers Bumrah is the only good bowler, other than that you have the same old Shami ( almost at the verge of retiring) and good old Ishant.

Your jibe at Pakistan is an idiotic misfire if anything, Pakistan has managed to uncover some top class bowlers who have not only won accolades but won a global tournament for their team.
 
Pakistan a side that loses tests to Zim, WI and gets whitewashed by SL at home :)

Doing well in England is the only thing you have got.

What year we lost the test to zimbabve?

It was 2013, right?

Tell me how many players of that era are still playing for Pakistan today? Please humour us because India has managed to lose test matches in 1998 and 2001 against Zimbabwe apparently when you had your so called "god" playing for your team.

We lost against Zimbabwe at our worst, and you lost when you had your so called "Fab 4". Have some shame.
 
What year we lost the test to zimbabve?

It was 2013, right?

Tell me how many players of that era are still playing for Pakistan today? Please humour us because India has managed to lose test matches in 1998 and 2001 against Zimbabwe apparently when you had your so called "god" playing for your team.

We lost against Zimbabwe at our worst, and you lost when you had your so called "Fab 4". Have some shame.

Great that we are talking about 1998 and Zimbabwe.

Some fun facts -
Zimbabwe have won only one away series against a major test nation - vs Pakistan in 1998! (That Pakistan team had Anwar, Inzi, Youhana, Moin, the two Ws, Saqlain, Shoaib, Aqib in it)
Zimbabwe's best W/L record against a major test nation is also vs Pakistan :)

Not that we have a great record vs Zim either, other than Pakistan only major test nation to have lost tests to Zim is us :(
 
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Great that we are talking about 1998 and Zimbabwe.

Some fun facts -
Zimbabwe have won only one away series against a major test nation - vs Pakistan in 1998! (That Pakistan team had Anwar, Inzi, Youhana, Moin, the two Ws, Saqlain, Shoaib, Aqib in it)
Zimbabwe's best W/L record against a major test nation is also vs Pakistan :)

Not that we have a great record vs Zim either, other than Pakistan only major test nation to have lost tests to Zim is us :(

I find it interesting that you immediately jumped to "away series" filter as soon as i started pointing out the inconvenient facts.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ndia-only-test-india-tour-of-zimbabwe-1998-99

This team had Ganguly, Sachin, Azhar, Srinath, Bhaji and still lost.

The point is that Pakistan's defeat was embarrassing in 2013 but as an Indian fan maybe you should not use it as a point of argument when your own history with regards to this is bloodied.

Their W/L against Pakistan is 0.3

Their W/L against India is 0.285 which is 0.3 when you round it off

Now, my friend, if you are using that again as an argument point then no need to lower yourself to such a level where you have to rely on vague lies.
 
India has already missed two very important opportunities to win in South Africa and England. And if they can't win in England, I don't see them winning in Australia. Even without Warner and Smith
 
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