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"Anyone from Punjab who votes for PTI or IK is beghairat" : PML-N's former NA speaker Ayaz Sadiq

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Mashallah... parha likha muhub-ul-watan Punjab
 
Punjabi awaam has been enslaved by the Nooras for decades and in the process end up screwing the rest of Pakistan too

Hopefully this time it's different
 
Mashallah... parha likha muhub-ul-watan Punjab

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Listen to the guy at 1.45 :facepalm:

When will people get over this jaahil mentality :facepalm:
 
Nawaz Sharif, Ayaz Sadiq and Khawajas all these crooks families came from Kashmir and now they are acting as Punjabis and using racist card against other? I am a pure Punjabi and my family have been living here from centuries and i will vote for PTI rejecting all these fake racist Punjabis.
 
Nawaz Sharif, Ayaz Sadiq and Khawajas all these crooks families came from Kashmir and now they are acting as Punjabis and using racist card against other? I am a pure Punjabi and my family have been living here from centuries and i will vote for PTI rejecting all these fake racist Punjabis.

Same. Family Punjabi will vote for PTI. Never these crooks.
 
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Listen to the guy at 1.45 :facepalm:

When will people get over this jaahil mentality :facepalm:

This is what PMLN do they play the punjabi card whenever needed brainwash their supporters that Pashtuns are some kind of cancer. In swat operation they also refused to take Pashtun refugees. I wonder how Shobaz can contest from Swat in this election after closing Punjab border at them in 2009?
 
This is what PMLN do they play the punjabi card whenever needed brainwash their supporters that Pashtuns are some kind of cancer. In swat operation they also refused to take Pashtun refugees. I wonder how Shobaz can contest from Swat in this election after closing Punjab border at them in 2009?

Someone please point this to Lorai who champions Pashtun right yet supports these duffers.
 
Sorry Ayaz Sadiq but we the people of North Punjab (Attock) are living happily with Pathans from centuries we don't believe in your racist approach and we have been voting for Pathan candidates. So keep this backward thinking to your typical brainwashed Patwaris from Central Punjab.
 
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Punjabi awaam has been enslaved by the Nooras for decades and in the process end up screwing the rest of Pakistan too

Hopefully this time it's different

For these Noony tunes Pakistan starts and ends in Punjab. I'm amazed at the gall of Shahbaz Sharif to run for elections from Karachi after he called Karachiites "paan khanay walay KaraNchi ke log".... Glad that most surveys are showing him trailing far behind MQM and PTI candidates.
 
For these Noony tunes Pakistan starts and ends in Punjab. I'm amazed at the gall of Shahbaz Sharif to run for elections from Karachi after he called Karachiites "paan khanay walay KaraNchi ke log".... Glad that most surveys are showing him trailing far behind MQM and PTI candidates.

I am more surprised he is contesting from Swat afterclosing Punjab borders on IDPs
 
How is he doing in the surveys in Swat?

MQM supporting Shobaz in Karachi by not contesting from that seat.

MMA supporting Shobaz in Swat by not contesting from there.

If hypocrisy ever had a face :facepalm:
 
Btw this isn't the first time obviously but he isn't the highest ranking PML-N member to say something like this

Heck Nawaz Sharif said sth similar in 2013. He basically said something similar to saying that Pathans had been typical jazbaati Pathans by voting for PTI and punjabis had been rational....
 
anyone who vote for NOON (Daku/Godfather) or thre croonies is also a Choor.
hows that sounds ?
 
Outrageous. I hate it when statements like this are made. They should be condemned. Sadly its nothing new in our politics:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan calls better than half the voters in the Punjab "bewaqoof". PTI ******* should remember this the morning after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#elections2018</a>. <a href="https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX">https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX</a></p>— Mosharraf Zaidi (@mosharrafzaidi) <a href="https://twitter.com/mosharrafzaidi/status/896471690494005248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Outrageous. I hate it when statements like this are made. They should be condemned. Sadly its nothing new in our politics:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan calls better than half the voters in the Punjab "bewaqoof". PTI ******* should remember this the morning after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#elections2018</a>. <a href="https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX">https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX</a></p>— Mosharraf Zaidi (@mosharrafzaidi) <a href="https://twitter.com/mosharrafzaidi/status/896471690494005248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's not wrong.

I have yet to see a sensible Punjabi voter for PLMN.
 
Outrageous. I hate it when statements like this are made. They should be condemned. Sadly its nothing new in our politics:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan calls better than half the voters in the Punjab "bewaqoof". PTI ******* should remember this the morning after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#elections2018</a>. <a href="https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX">https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX</a></p>— Mosharraf Zaidi (@mosharrafzaidi) <a href="https://twitter.com/mosharrafzaidi/status/896471690494005248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Well said by Khan.... only someone who is supremely dumb or someone who benefits from corruption will support thieves like Nawaz Sharif.
 
Outrageous. I hate it when statements like this are made. They should be condemned. Sadly its nothing new in our politics:

Basically you're equating someone who plays the ethnic card, thus who implicitly targets the very essence of what makes the federation (why do you think the references to 71' from PML-N leadership, lately), with something which is part of the common political rhetoric.

Anyway, who votes for convicted criminals, esp. when it's basically your money that they've looted, money which would have been spent on the masses, I don't know, their health, education, ... normal stuff in normal countries ?
 
Outrageous. I hate it when statements like this are made. They should be condemned. Sadly its nothing new in our politics:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan calls better than half the voters in the Punjab "bewaqoof". PTI ******* should remember this the morning after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#elections2018</a>. <a href="https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX">https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX</a></p>— Mosharraf Zaidi (@mosharrafzaidi) <a href="https://twitter.com/mosharrafzaidi/status/896471690494005248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It may be harsh but it is not wrong if he called them 'bewaqoof.'

So are most people who will still vote for MQM in Karachi, or people who vote for PPP in interior Sindh
 
The title of the thread is misleading.

He said :"... for PTI or Imran Khan..." and not "...for PTI or a Khan..." It makes a ton of difference in the meaning attributed.

I'd like know where he was giving this speech. Since the hat he is wearing looks like a Chitrali hat.
 
MQM supporting Shobaz in Karachi by not contesting from that seat.

I'm not convinced that will work out for Shobaz, and I'm really surprised that MQM are doing a seat adjustment on that seat, they would have won comfortably. People need to remember that MQM voters are party loyalists, not candidate loyalists.

With the negative sentiment Karachiites generally have towards PML-N, I really doubt MQM voters will line up to vote for Shahbaz Sharif. If anything, this really increases Faisal Vada's chances on this seat.
 
I'm not convinced that will work out for Shobaz, and I'm really surprised that MQM are doing a seat adjustment on that seat, they would have won comfortably. People need to remember that MQM voters are party loyalists, not candidate loyalists.

With the negative sentiment Karachiites generally have towards PML-N, I really doubt MQM voters will line up to vote for Shahbaz Sharif. If anything, this really increases Faisal Vada's chances on this seat.

This seat adjustment also shows that if the PTI and PML-N end up with similar number of seats, the MQM would join the PML-N and form a coalition government. These two parties are all about loot and plunder.
 
The title of the thread is misleading.

He said :"... for PTI or Imran Khan..." and not "...for PTI or a Khan..." It makes a ton of difference in the meaning attributed.

I'd like know where he was giving this speech. Since the hat he is wearing looks like a Chitrali hat.

He's already played the race card by bringing in punjabis specifically and not any other province.

I guess this is in Punjab since he is contesting from Lahore I think
 
Outrageous. I hate it when statements like this are made. They should be condemned. Sadly its nothing new in our politics:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan calls better than half the voters in the Punjab "bewaqoof". PTI ******* should remember this the morning after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/elections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#elections2018</a>. <a href="https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX">https://t.co/SPHtfdDbbX</a></p>— Mosharraf Zaidi (@mosharrafzaidi) <a href="https://twitter.com/mosharrafzaidi/status/896471690494005248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Without the context you can compare both statements but there is a world of difference between both statements.

Anyone from Punjab who votes for PTI or IK is beghairat is by no means same as saying people of certain region voting for same party again and again despite their poor performance.

Ayaz Sadiq comes across as decent and educated but only till he keeps his mouth shut, he has said stupid things number of times.

Saad Rafiq even chanted "Jaag Punjabi jaag", this is disgusting mentality and i am a Punjabi myself.
 
He's already played the race card by bringing in punjabis specifically and not any other province.

I guess this is in Punjab since he is contesting from Lahore I think

Let's be accurate in our criticism: He said "joh Punjab ka rehne wala" = those who live in punjab =/= Punjabi as an ethnicity since various ethnicites live in Punjab and many ethnic Punjabis live outside Punjab. So he did call out to people from a specific province but not people of a specific ethnicity.

I find it hard to believe that he is giving the speech somewhere in Punjab since he and everyone around him is wearing what appears to be chitrali hat. Which is something politician often do in an attempt to win goodie points from the local population.

The thing I am trying to point out is that the whole nation suffers from a lack of critical thinking, prejudice towards other ethnicites and herd mentality. The initial title was misleading and some people just took it as a mean to generalise and attribute meaning which were never there to begin with.
 
Let's be accurate in our criticism: He said "joh Punjab ka rehne wala" = those who live in punjab =/= Punjabi as an ethnicity since various ethnicites live in Punjab and many ethnic Punjabis live outside Punjab. So he did call out to people from a specific province but not people of a specific ethnicity.

I find it hard to believe that he is giving the speech somewhere in Punjab since he and everyone around him is wearing what appears to be chitrali hat. Which is something politician often do in an attempt to win goodie points from the local population.

The thing I am trying to point out is that the whole nation suffers from a lack of critical thinking, prejudice towards other ethnicites and herd mentality. The initial title was misleading and some people just took it as a mean to generalise and attribute meaning which were never there to begin with.

He is running from Lahore and he isn't a national level leader like IK that he would be campaigning all over the country. Stop trying to defend racist Nooras.
 
Punjabi awaam has been enslaved by the Nooras for decades and in the process end up screwing the rest of Pakistan too

Hopefully this time it's different

The same punjab that voted for PPP in 2010? Rich coming from someone in karachi. :))

My family is voting for PTI AFAIK and voted for both parties last time around.
 
Let's be accurate in our criticism: He said "joh Punjab ka rehne wala" = those who live in punjab =/= Punjabi as an ethnicity since various ethnicites live in Punjab and many ethnic Punjabis live outside Punjab. So he did call out to people from a specific province but not people of a specific ethnicity.

I find it hard to believe that he is giving the speech somewhere in Punjab since he and everyone around him is wearing what appears to be chitrali hat. Which is something politician often do in an attempt to win goodie points from the local population.

The thing I am trying to point out is that the whole nation suffers from a lack of critical thinking, prejudice towards other ethnicites and herd mentality. The initial title was misleading and some people just took it as a mean to generalise and attribute meaning which were never there to begin with.

Some Karachities and Sindhis suffer from severe inferiority complex and have started this new propoganda of their made up "punjabi nationalism" :))

Looks like they think everyone has forgotten that they have no pedestal to speak from. Jiye bhutto, jinahpur and what not. The same lot whose faithfulness to the state is always questionable is calling the province where people have always voted for change "racist". Shameless stuff.
 
The same punjab that voted for PPP in 2010? Rich coming from someone in karachi. :))

My family is voting for PTI AFAIK and voted for both parties last time around.

Which elections were held in 2010? Maybe in those fantasy elections PPP won in Punjab
 
Which elections were held in 2010? Maybe in those fantasy elections PPP won in Punjab

Anyone with a semblance of something between their ears would know i am talking about the General Elections of 2008. My bad for not specifiying it.
 
Anyone with a semblance of something between their ears would know i am talking about the General Elections of 2008. My bad for not specifiying it.

Punjabis are the least racist people in the whole country.
 
Nawaz himself is Kashmiri lol ayaz sadiq is from arian biradari.
 
Anyone with a semblance of something between their ears would know i am talking about the General Elections of 2008. My bad for not specifiying it.

Yes you specified '2010' so clearly you're lacking in that regard

Also in 2008, PML-N and not PPP won in Punjab so you have your facts wrong again. Check the seat break up. PPP won south Punjab to an extent but PML-N was comfortably the majority party in rest of Punjab and also the province as a whole. Which is also why it was able to form the Punjab Goverment on its own pretty much after the Governor Raj fiasco. Learn your facts before making yourself look ignorant and uninformed next time
 
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So Insafiyans have a problem with this statement, but they are okay with Pervez Khattak calling PPP workers “sons of prostitutes”.

Same PPP where he built his political career.

It is okay to be a hypocrite, but it is not okay to be PTI jaliya level hypocrite.

A third class party.
 
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So Insafiyans have a problem with this statement, but they are okay with Pervez Khattak calling PPP workers “sons of prostitutes”.

Same PPP where he built his political career.

It is okay to be a hypocrite, but it is not okay to be PTI jaliya level hypocrite.

A third class party.

As proven hundreds of times before, PTI don't even spare their own leaders when they are wrong. PTI supporters even on Twitter were literally scolding each other for criticising Pervez Khattak; never saw similar outrage about Nawaz Sharif from his supporters. But i do get it that they have thick skin, if they can defend their smaeful corruption then they can defend anything.

Pervez Khattak made disgusting comments and should be ashamed of himself for using such language.

I hope you had the same decency (which you did at some stage) to say the same and criticise this speaker rather than 'Whataboutism" on each issue.
 
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Yes you specified '2010' so clearly you're lacking in that regard

Also in 2008, PML-N and not PPP won in Punjab so you have your facts wrong again. Check the seat break up. PPP won south Punjab to an extent but PML-N was comfortably the majority party in rest of Punjab and also the province as a whole. Which is also why it was able to form the Punjab Goverment on its own pretty much after the Governor Raj fiasco. Learn your facts before making yourself look ignorant and uninformed next time

You do realize National Assembly and Provincial assembly are two separate things, right? For PPP to form majority they had to win considerable amount of seats in Punjab which they did. Tell me the last time a punjabi or pakhtoon managed to win seats in Sindh or a punjabi or sindhi managed to win seats in KPK? With the kind of history your city and province you have, it is foolhardy to even accuse Punjabis for racism when you lot leave no stones unturned to show your racism which is evident.

Also, its hilarious that Nawaz Shareef who is a Kashmiri is called a punjabi nationalistic.
 
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So Insafiyans have a problem with this statement, but they are okay with Pervez Khattak calling PPP workers “sons of prostitutes”.

Same PPP where he built his political career.

It is okay to be a hypocrite, but it is not okay to be PTI jaliya level hypocrite.

A third class party with third class workers and supporters.

PK is an idiot for using such language against the PPP. But you on the other hand will defend anything from the disgusting Nooras.
 
Some of the fake "Punjabis" in this thread...

On what basis are you saying that. My whole family lives in Lahore, Multan, Faisalabad etc. I’ve been to those places multiple times every year. Oh and next time just quote me instead
 
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It wasn't aimed at you only.

I guess living outside Pakistan my whole life will make me a real Punjabi? Your reply perfectly sums up the Punjabi superiority complex. Even I used to have it until my mom who has lived her whole life in faisalabad/Lahore told me to shed the bias and look at the reality. And the reality is that a lot of us punjabis think they are better than other races. I remember [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said that the middle/upper class in Karachi is the most sophisticated and progressive in the country. It’s because we don’t care about race. If he can come to this conclusion living his whole life in Peshawar then perhaps people need to get their head out of the sand.

Furthermore, I disagree wholeheartedly with Imrans statement about Punjabis. It’s very foolish and offensive. My whole family in Punjab supports PTI but him calling Punjabi PMLN voters stupid is wrong. We need to put ourselves in the shoes of some who vote for PMLN. My late driver and his whole family from Murree always vote for PMLN because they have done a lot of work in that specific area. Their life revolves around their small community so I can understand, if not agree, with their vote. Same way we should put ourselves in the shoes of people from interior Sindh who vote for PPP or some Karachiites who vote for MQM. People don’t have to agree with their votes but with some of these people who are not educated or too well off we should try to understand why they vote for who they do. It’s not black and white.

(If you are educated and well off and vote without researching the facts and only for short term gain at the expense of the country or because your family has been voting for a specific party for years, then you are truly an idiot)
 
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As proven hundreds of times before, PTI don't even spare their own leaders when they are wrong. PTI supporters even on Twitter were literally scolding each other for criticising Pervez Khattak; never saw similar outrage about Nawaz Sharif from his supporters. But i do get it that they have thick skin, if they can defend their smaeful corruption then they can defend anything.

Pervez Khattak made disgusting comments and should be ashamed of himself for using such language.

I hope you had the same decency (which you did at some stage) to say the same and criticise this speaker rather than 'Whataboutism" on each issue.

PK is an idiot for using such language against the PPP. But you on the other hand will defend anything from the disgusting Nooras.

Why haven’t you created thread on PP criticizing Pervez Khattak? Let alone a thread, I can’t even find posts where you have criticized Pervez Khattak for his pathetic statement regarding PPP workers.
 
Punjabis are the least racist people in the whole country.

I am a North Punjabi and i will say Central Punjabis are the most racist people in Pakistan they even look at us North and South Punjabis as aliens
 
Why haven’t you created thread on PP criticizing Pervez Khattak? Let alone a thread, I can’t even find posts where you have criticized Pervez Khattak for his pathetic statement regarding PPP workers.

PK himself released the whole clip from his account check that before jumping to any conclusion. And how come the liberal PPP ignored Qaira taking cheap shots at IK's wife in a jalsa?
 
He is running from Lahore and he isn't a national level leader like IK that he would be campaigning all over the country. Stop trying to defend racist Nooras.

Only a fool would defend those who have been proven to be corrupt, liars and crooked by the court.

I do however think it is necessary for us to be accurate in our criticism and not jump on the bandwagon if we want to change the course of the country for the better and if we represent its future. Otherwise what would distinguish us from the dishonest and stubborn generations before us.

Mods changed the misleading initial title of the thread which shows me that at least they understand the point.
 
You do realize National Assembly and Provincial assembly are two separate things, right? For PPP to form majority they had to win considerable amount of seats in Punjab which they did. Tell me the last time a punjabi or pakhtoon managed to win seats in Sindh or a punjabi or sindhi managed to win seats in KPK? With the kind of history your city and province you have, it is foolhardy to even accuse Punjabis for racism when you lot leave no stones unturned to show your racism which is evident.

PPP formed a coalition government. They didnt win enough seats in Punjab to form the government on their own. You dont even know that. In any case they won primarily in South Punjab which is Seraiki and should be a separate province anyway

Earlier you thought Elections were held in 2010.

Also another fact check for you - ANP has won seats in Karachi. PML-N has won seats in Karachi too though obviously they are a lot filled with clowns so thankfully they dont win that often.

Finally - If you are going to put your head in the sand and be intellectually dishonest about there being no element of Punjabi nationalism in PML-N politics then there's not much to be said. Good luck!
 
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I am a North Punjabi and i will say Central Punjabis are the most racist people in Pakistan they even look at us North and South Punjabis as aliens

So in a country of blind the one eyed is the king? In a country where most people lack any proper education and reasoning skills what good does it do to try to pinpoint which part of the population is most closed minded and backwards especially when your basis for judgment is your own subjective feeling and experience which can hardly be scrutinized by a third party.

What good does it bring to say we are less racist than those when the whole country is filled with prejudice and misconceptions towards others? Is it going to help bring the people together?

When the whole body suffers from a severe disease do we chop off the body part which we consider to be most effected by the disease? Is that going to cure the disease by itself?

When ignorant people in their critic equate Lahore with the whole Punjab and then instead of correcting the falcy you further cause division and portray yourself as someone better because you are from supposedly the less racist part of Punjab and go on to generalise and demonize the other part. How exactly is this way of looking at the issue going to bring change and make the blind see the light? How exactly are you going to win over a group of people who you can't help but generalize about.
 
So in a country of blind the one eyed is the king? In a country where most people lack any proper education and reasoning skills what good does it do to try to pinpoint which part of the population is most closed minded and backwards especially when your basis for judgment is your own subjective feeling and experience which can hardly be scrutinized by a third party.

What good does it bring to say we are less racist than those when the whole country is filled with prejudice and misconceptions towards others? Is it going to help bring the people together?

When the whole body suffers from a severe disease do we chop off the body part which we consider to be most effected by the disease? Is that going to cure the disease by itself?

When ignorant people in their critic equate Lahore with the whole Punjab and then instead of correcting the falcy you further cause division and portray yourself as someone better because you are from supposedly the less racist part of Punjab and go on to generalise and demonize the other part. How exactly is this way of looking at the issue going to bring change and make the blind see the light? How exactly are you going to win over a group of people who you can't help but generalize about.

My response was just to counter the argument Punjabis are the least racist (I am a Punjabi) i didn't started this debate i was just giving a response. I shared what i experienced South and North are always ignored by Punjab govt and even central Punjabis see us as aliens and don't include usb Potoharis and Seraikis in their group of pure Punjabis
 
I’m Punjabi and this is definitely not true. Karachi public is easily the least racist and judgemental

Karachi is more cosmopolitan and has a wider variety of races since quite a long time, I think that helps. I have always argued that you get least racism in more multicultural societies.
 
He is right.

You're a top guy and I respect you a lot. Was one of my favorite admins when I was an admin.

But I am sorry I can't take you seriously lately; you absolutely despise Amir because of fixing but support Noon League who have raped and looted our nations a billion times worse than Amir.

Its massively disingenuous and someone as intelligent as you showing hypocrisy is sad.
 
You're a top guy and I respect you a lot. Was one of my favorite admins when I was an admin.

But I am sorry I can't take you seriously lately; you absolutely despise Amir because of fixing but support Noon League who have raped and looted our nations a billion times worse than Amir.

Its massively disingenuous and someone as intelligent as you showing hypocrisy is sad.

He admitted many times he hates Imran Khan and that's enough for him to support corrupt PMLN
 
He admitted many times he hates Imran Khan and that's enough for him to support corrupt PMLN

Its a shame, I have known him off PP as admin and he's a very nice guy. But I don't understand him here.
 
You do realize National Assembly and Provincial assembly are two separate things, right? For PPP to form majority they had to win considerable amount of seats in Punjab which they did. Tell me the last time a punjabi or pakhtoon managed to win seats in Sindh or a punjabi or sindhi managed to win seats in KPK? With the kind of history your city and province you have, it is foolhardy to even accuse Punjabis for racism when you lot leave no stones unturned to show your racism which is evident.

Also, its hilarious that Nawaz Shareef who is a Kashmiri is called a punjabi nationalistic.

Hahaha this has to be the most ignorant post of all time. Karachi is the most multi-cultural place in Pakistan and hence the least racist. You have Sindhis, Punjabis, Baluchis, Pathans, Kashmiris and Urdu speakers living in the same neighbourhood or same building. Where else in Pakistan will you find that?

For the record, my next door neighbours in Karachi were Kashmiri Punjabi on one side and Seraiki on the other side. While we were Urdu speaking family.


So don't give me this bull crap that nobody else is winning from Karachi.



The PML-N only wins from Punjab and rules over all of Pakistan, this needs to be changed for the sanctity of federation.
 
You're a top guy and I respect you a lot. Was one of my favorite admins when I was an admin.

But I am sorry I can't take you seriously lately; you absolutely despise Amir because of fixing but support Noon League who have raped and looted our nations a billion times worse than Amir.

Its massively disingenuous and someone as intelligent as you showing hypocrisy is sad.

Why do you care about my opinion, man? I'm not going to vote PML-N in since I'm thousands of kilometers away from Pakistan right now. I like talking crap for the sake of talking crap. I'm not going to lose my sleep if Imran Khan wins. :baelish

But yes, my parents and the family back in Pakistan have always supported PML-N, and continue to do so.
 
You're a top guy and I respect you a lot. Was one of my favorite admins when I was an admin.

But I am sorry I can't take you seriously lately; you absolutely despise Amir because of fixing but support Noon League who have raped and looted our nations a billion times worse than Amir.

Its massively disingenuous and someone as intelligent as you showing hypocrisy is sad.

Imran's supporters on social media are the only reason why I don't like him.
 
So in a country of blind the one eyed is the king? In a country where most people lack any proper education and reasoning skills what good does it do to try to pinpoint which part of the population is most closed minded and backwards especially when your basis for judgment is your own subjective feeling and experience which can hardly be scrutinized by a third party.

What good does it bring to say we are less racist than those when the whole country is filled with prejudice and misconceptions towards others? Is it going to help bring the people together?

When the whole body suffers from a severe disease do we chop off the body part which we consider to be most effected by the disease? Is that going to cure the disease by itself?

When ignorant people in their critic equate Lahore with the whole Punjab and then instead of correcting the falcy you further cause division and portray yourself as someone better because you are from supposedly the less racist part of Punjab and go on to generalise and demonize the other part. How exactly is this way of looking at the issue going to bring change and make the blind see the light? How exactly are you going to win over a group of people who you can't help but generalize about.

Good point.
 
Hahaha this has to be the most ignorant post of all time. Karachi is the most multi-cultural place in Pakistan and hence the least racist. You have Sindhis, Punjabis, Baluchis, Pathans, Kashmiris and Urdu speakers living in the same neighbourhood or same building. Where else in Pakistan will you find that?

For the record, my next door neighbours in Karachi were Kashmiri Punjabi on one side and Seraiki on the other side. While we were Urdu speaking family.


So don't give me this bull crap that nobody else is winning from Karachi.



The PML-N only wins from Punjab and rules over all of Pakistan, this needs to be changed for the sanctity of federation.

Karachi is also more developed than many other provinces in Pakistan, that draws enterprising people from all others, hence it is more multicultural, not dissimilar to London compared to places like Cumbria in UK. Large swathes of KPK, Punjab and Balochistan are undeveloped and you will get more backward mentalities as a result.
 
Tell me when a non mqm variant wins seats there.

Yes ghosts of PTI, ANP, Jamaat e Islami and PPP win in Karachi

Heck even PML-N won a seat last time but that was more due to the candidate than the party
 
Why haven’t you created thread on PP criticizing Pervez Khattak? Let alone a thread, I can’t even find posts where you have criticized Pervez Khattak for his pathetic statement regarding PPP workers.

I will do that when you create threads on Showbiz's 400crore stolen from the poor PK's.
 
Why do you care about my opinion, man? I'm not going to vote PML-N in since I'm thousands of kilometers away from Pakistan right now. I like talking crap for the sake of talking crap. I'm not going to lose my sleep if Imran Khan wins. :baelish

But yes, my parents and the family back in Pakistan have always supported PML-N, and continue to do so.

So you are happy that they support a convict?
 
Yes ghosts of PTI, ANP, Jamaat e Islami and PPP win in Karachi

Heck even PML-N won a seat last time but that was more due to the candidate than the party

JI had a Mayor from Karachi at least 2 times!
 
JI had a Mayor from Karachi at least 2 times!
JI actually used to be very popular in Karachi and used to win regularly before 80s and 90s army and Rangers operations
 
Have to admit this has been quite an entertaining election campaign to follow. Respect to the regulars on the Pak politics threads - enjoying the debates.
 
So you are guilty of what you accuse me for. Thank you for admitting your hypocrisy.

No, which came 1st saplings or your questions? Everytime a question is asked you run like the Sharifs. If you want a debate then you to answer as well as ask.
 
Yes ghosts of PTI, ANP, Jamaat e Islami and PPP win in Karachi

Heck even PML-N won a seat last time but that was more due to the candidate than the party

Eh, I absent minded missed writing majority of seats. The last time that happened was in the 80s with JI.
 
My response was just to counter the argument Punjabis are the least racist (I am a Punjabi) i didn't started this debate i was just giving a response. I shared what i experienced South and North are always ignored by Punjab govt and even central Punjabis see us as aliens and don't include usb Potoharis and Seraikis in their group of pure Punjabis

Ok I see the post you were responding to. And the sentiment expressed in it is equally wrong.

To me in the context of Pakistani nation saying "Punjabis are the least [insert a negative trait]" and feeling good about is like a bunch of fools getting together and arguing about who is the least foolish amongst them. Alright congratulations, we Punjabis get the trophy for being the least ret*rded amongst the ret*rds. What does that accomplish? The country is still going down the gutters. Except for a short term ego boost nothing is achieved.

One reason why your response sticked out to me the most was because you are a PTI supporter and I see you as someone representing the struggle for a change for the better. I don't follow social media at all and have no clue who is up to what but here on PP sometimes I do get to read what people are talking about.

I too support change. For me the most important change is a change of attitude and way of thinking. We need to expose people's old way of closed minded thinking and replace it with a new one. I believe one important aspect of it is that we are accurate in our critic and not just say things haphazardly or jump on the bandwagon to suit a narrative. Otherwise it will just become a ego fighting contest where everyone just picks and chooses stuff to push their egos.

People outside Punjab equate Lahore to be the whole of Punjab while you are equating Lahore as a representative of central Punjab. That's what is bothering me. I am seeing amateur videos on YouTube where people are being interviewed regarding their current political stances and almost all the videos regarding Punjab are from Lahore. Showing a one-sided view and taking away the spotlight from the rest of Punjab. Ok Lahore got metro what did other close-by regions got?

The ignorant Lahori PMLN supporters themselves can't think outside of their city and when you guys then put the whole central Punjab region in the same basket as Lahore then it becomes double the pain since as if development projects in Lahore directly benefits the whole population of the province. I was recently in Pakistan and the situation of my area is worse than 10 years ago.

The premise of your critic on central Punjabis isnt correct in my books. Beginning from the fact that on ground level Punjabis don't identify themselves as "north Punjabis", "central Punjabis" or "southern Punjabis". In politics perhaps but not in as an identity of kinship.

What Punjabis identify with is bradari. And a certain bradari isn't limited to North, central or Southern Punjab. Especially not the big ones which are spread even outside Punjab. So the close minded Punjabis think from the baradrai point of view and don't really care about whether someone is from North, South or Central. Hence why your claim that central Punjabis regard Northern and Southern one as aliens is something I find completely wrong.

There is no united identity of being a "central Punjabi". All there is your bradari no matter where you are from. So a close minded individual from central Punjab would have resentments for his fellow neighbor if they are from opposing Bradaris.

Growing up in a city of Central Punjab, which doesn't even happen to be amongst the top 10 biggest city of Punjab, I saw quite a few Pathans living there and would interact with them from time to time. Now when I went back recently I saw their number has vastly increased. Some are famous for their naans while most have small temporary shops across the streets. Or young Pathan kids selling "garam moong phalis". Most of them were from areas like Madan and Bannu. Now I didnt have the chance to do a survey and ask them how they are being treated but the general impression I got was that they were well assimilated into daily life of the locals.

So from my experience when the people I grew around with are not all too much bothered by the presence of Pathans why would they regards northern and southern Punjabis to be aliens who are more closer to us than the Pathans.

Now growing up I did hear a few Pathan jokes but that's part of the local nature since we even made stereotypical jokes about other Punjabi bradaris.

The real culprit is not "Central Punjabis" and their supposed racism but the limited thinking of those close minded Punjabis who can't think independently of their bradari.

From where I am from Baradri might not play as much a role in daily life as it might used to back in the day. But it still creeps up in matters of politics and most definitely in marriage.

If you want to highlight the faults then expose the Bradari system. However when you make it into North vs central vs South Punjab thing I don't feel convinced. I mean if your are just going by who is getting ignored by Punjab government you don't even have to look far outside Lahore city. Punjab govt doesn't represent the mindset of your average person from central Punjab. Some Punjabis can't act without the input of their Bradari elders and following it blindly and that's the real issue.
 
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