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Anyone missing Netherlands and Italy in this World Cup?

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Surely, these two teams will be kicking themselves after seeing the way this world cup is panning out to be

Might have had great chance of winning had they qualified.
 
Not really. This World Cup has been fine as it is.
 
I was chatting earlier today about Dutch football and the great teams they have had - brilliant players like Gullitt, Van Basten, Rijkaard etc and now look at the state of Dutch football.
 
Not Italy who are well known for being the most negative minded and dirtiest team tactically, however maybe the Dutch would have been interesting to watch.
 
Italy? lol... Such a boring defensive team (when i last saw them)

They are overly dramatic, with players spending too much time feigning injury, encircling the referee or dropping to the grass with their faces in their hands after they have missed opportunities.
 
I am missing them.

Italy, Holland are soccer elites, they might struggle to qualify or in group stages but once in the tournament, they are totally different team than Iceland, Serbia, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Poland .... (many others, I am just mentioning EURO Zone). Yesterday what Japan managed to do, I am sure it won't happen against Italy or Holland. But someone has to miss, and Italy/Holland (Chili & USA as well) missed the cut fair & squire, can't complain.

Italy's next gen team is outstanding - Donnarumma, De Sciglio, Caldara, Romagnoli, Rugini, Jorginho, Florenzi, Verratti, Belotti, Chiesa, El Shaaraway .... if Mancini can bring the old Italian organization back, I back them to make SF next time at least.

Dutch soccer was in a bit shambles - not that they have the players, but something was not right. They say, never appoint a previously sacked Manager and Advocat proved why. Recently they were outclassed by France in a WC qualifier, then missed the Qualifier play-off by GA to Sweden; but their team isn't that bad. Dutch FA has appointed probably the best man in this situation (Koeman) and since then, there has been a raise - beat Portugal 3-0 at Geneva & drew at Italy. They'll come back strong for sure.

Among soccer elites, I am actually concerned more for Argentina - these bunch won 2 U20 WCs in 2005 & 2007; and couple of Olympics in 2004 & 2008 with sweeping individual accolades; but most, if not all of that generation will be retired by next qualifier. FIFA has sold WC to Qatar, which means one more cheap slot to Asia and FIFA most likely will cut that from South America (Only 10 votes, compered to 50+ in Africa). Unless a Latin team wins this WC, most likely, they'll give 4 spots to South America, and one qualifier with Asia, which they'll qualify, so 5 like this time. Brazil, Colombia, Chili, Uruguay, Peru & Argentina - one'll miss; and I am not confident on Argentina, if they don't put a top Manager in charge to rebuild.
 
They are overly dramatic, with players spending too much time feigning injury, encircling the referee or dropping to the grass with their faces in their hands after they have missed opportunities.

How is that any worse than what England did yesterday?
 
Definitely missing them. It is better to watch an Italy vs Netherlands match as compared to Croatia vs Denmark.
 
This World Cup has been unpredictable and Italy is the most unpredictable team so yeah I am missing them I think they would have been have to watch in this world cup
 
Italy? hell no, if I have power I would ban them from World Cup forever :moyo

Netherland? definitely, one of my favourite team to watch
 
Yes I miss them both. Although these current national teams of these countries would have not made anything more interesting.

Dutch were a force to reckon with in 70s and 90s. Early 2000s and 80s teams were also very strong. 1998 side was unlucky not to win the World Cup. Similarly, 2006 Dutch side was even better than 2010 side. In 2002 dutch had one of the strongest teams in entire world yet they failed to qualify for the world cup.

Undoubtedly, the best football country in the world without a World Cup. After Brazil, Argentina and Germany , Dutch have been the powerhouse of football. Italy might have won more World Cups but dutch sides have been very unlucky to miss this glory.
 
Well Germany, Brazil, Spain - all out! so looks like its the other teams that are moving up.
 
No. They're rubbish. Don't care about their history if they're not good enough now then what's the point?
 
I am missing them.

Italy, Holland are soccer elites, they might struggle to qualify or in group stages but once in the tournament, they are totally different team than Iceland, Serbia, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Poland .... (many others, I am just mentioning EURO Zone). Yesterday what Japan managed to do, I am sure it won't happen against Italy or Holland. But someone has to miss, and Italy/Holland (Chili & USA as well) missed the cut fair & squire, can't complain.

Italy's next gen team is outstanding - Donnarumma, De Sciglio, Caldara, Romagnoli, Rugini, Jorginho, Florenzi, Verratti, Belotti, Chiesa, El Shaaraway .... if Mancini can bring the old Italian organization back, I back them to make SF next time at least.


Dutch soccer was in a bit shambles - not that they have the players, but something was not right. They say, never appoint a previously sacked Manager and Advocat proved why. Recently they were outclassed by France in a WC qualifier, then missed the Qualifier play-off by GA to Sweden; but their team isn't that bad. Dutch FA has appointed probably the best man in this situation (Koeman) and since then, there has been a raise - beat Portugal 3-0 at Geneva & drew at Italy. They'll come back strong for sure.

Among soccer elites, I am actually concerned more for Argentina - these bunch won 2 U20 WCs in 2005 & 2007; and couple of Olympics in 2004 & 2008 with sweeping individual accolades; but most, if not all of that generation will be retired by next qualifier. FIFA has sold WC to Qatar, which means one more cheap slot to Asia and FIFA most likely will cut that from South America (Only 10 votes, compered to 50+ in Africa). Unless a Latin team wins this WC, most likely, they'll give 4 spots to South America, and one qualifier with Asia, which they'll qualify, so 5 like this time. Brazil, Colombia, Chili, Uruguay, Peru & Argentina - one'll miss; and I am not confident on Argentina, if they don't put a top Manager in charge to rebuild.

I like ITaly but i have heard this all the time since 10 years now but they keep going down hill and the players with potential never fullfill it.
 
i would have also love to see Veratti at this WC, its a shame such a great player didnt get to play in one during his mid 20s.
 
I like ITaly but i have heard this all the time since 10 years now but they keep going down hill and the players with potential never fullfill it.


Not really - made Euro final in 2012 and missed the SF losing to Germany in shoot out in 2016.

They need to do a soul searching and go back to old Italian style of soccer. I don’t like defensive game, but Italy’s defensive game was unique - they could still attack and score goals from solid defence, using wing backs and a high back line, with zonal marking & off side traps.


I have lots of hope on Mancini, let’s see. WC without the Azzuris misses a little bit of romanticism.
 
Not really - made Euro final in 2012 and missed the SF losing to Germany in shoot out in 2016.

They need to do a soul searching and go back to old Italian style of soccer. I don’t like defensive game, but Italy’s defensive game was unique - they could still attack and score goals from solid defence, using wing backs and a high back line, with zonal marking & off side traps.


I have lots of hope on Mancini, let’s see. WC without the Azzuris misses a little bit of romanticism.

They have talent . Not sure about Mancini as manager. Hadn't made much of an impression since being sacked by Manchster City. Conte did a good job for Italy. Would have preferred to see him get the job.

Agree with your assessment on their current talent. It should see them qualify for the next World Cup and European championship.
 
They have talent . Not sure about Mancini as manager. Hadn't made much of an impression since being sacked by Manchster City. Conte did a good job for Italy. Would have preferred to see him get the job.

Agree with your assessment on their current talent. It should see them qualify for the next World Cup and European championship.

Italy does well always, when they have a solid back line and a dominating GK and a CF. In next gen, they have a fantastic back line and a top class GK. Ballotelli is 27, and Mancini is like his Godfather - Italy will do well in next 2 Euros & WC for sure.
 
Italy does well always, when they have a solid back line and a dominating GK and a CF. In next gen, they have a fantastic back line and a top class GK. Ballotelli is 27, and Mancini is like his Godfather - Italy will do well in next 2 Euros & WC for sure.

I'm not denying the talent. I just worry about Mancini. He is a combustible element. When things don't go his way he's quick to turn on his players.
 
Yes. There can never be enough good teams in the tournament. Italy and Holland would have done much better then Iran, Egypt and Saudi. Turkey are another team that are missed.
 
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