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Are most Hindu Indian Americans supporting Donald Trump?

I think the number is now close to 3-million. Last census was in 2021.

Anyway, point is Indian vote is not a big factor in Canada yet. Indian population in Canada is not that big.

Trudeau is very likely to lose but that's because he is unpopular with white Canadians (majority) and many different minority groups. It is due to issues like job crisis, housing crisis, worsening healthcare, law and order, Israel-Gaza issue etc.
If it is close to 3 Million now, it means a Million people from India are added in just 3 years. I bet most of them are illegal. Total failure on part of Border police and the Government allowing illegal immigration.

According to the below video, 100,000 Indians were caught entering Canada illegally from India in 2023. Who knows how many more thousands entered and not caught. What a joke Canada is. No wonder the White Canadians are p1ssed.
 
America doesn’t have such a large Indian-Pakistani diaspora yet that can get categorized as Hindu Americans- Muslim Americans yet. We might look at a Desi community or some corporate office and conclude America is filled with Desis but we are still a micro-minority.

Having said that Indian- Pakistani white collar or blue collar are considered “South-Asian” demographic and still a very small minority compared to African- American, Latinos, Chinese etc.

From what I am seeing most south Asians have voted for Trump be it from India or Pak or Hindu or Muslim. However they don’t vote as a block so I won’t be surprised if it is a split in the middle for Republicans and democrats.

Thats my take. Obviously if you are stuck at thoughts like “how Trump will benefit ummah” or “how Trump will cure Islamophobia” topic than don’t think this post is for you but that’s the general way things work in the Desi community in USA.
 
From what I am seeing most south Asians have voted for Trump be it from India or Pak or Hindu or Muslim. However they don’t vote as a block so I won’t be surprised if it is a split in the middle for Republicans and democrats.

Thats my take. Obviously if you are stuck at thoughts like “how Trump will benefit ummah” or “how Trump will cure Islamophobia” topic than don’t think this post is for you but that’s the general way things work in the Desi community in USA.


Lol, you couldn't help yourself. At least they aren't sitting halfway across their world worshipping portraits of Trump. Does that jog any memories?
 
Lol, you couldn't help yourself. At least they aren't sitting halfway across their world worshipping portraits of Trump. Does that jog any memories?
India has 1.4 billion people and a fair % of idiots so very high volume:

For example if some bearded guy shouts shariah in the middle of Bradford with a cockney accent, that is equally ridiculous too.

Exceptions to the rule exist but at least they want Trump to benefit India not “Nepal” or “Guyana” as part of the Hindu ummah equivalent. Comprendez?
 
India has 1.4 billion people and a fair % of idiots so very high volume:

For example if some bearded guy shouts shariah in the middle of Bradford with a cockney accent, that is equally ridiculous too.

Exceptions to the rule exist but at least they want Trump to benefit India not “Nepal” or “Guyana” as part of the Hindu ummah equivalent. Comprendez?

Not really. Maybe just stick to American Hindus supporting Trump and worry less about Ummah, that would be more constructive input.
 
America doesn’t have such a large Indian-Pakistani diaspora yet that can get categorized as Hindu Americans- Muslim Americans yet. We might look at a Desi community or some corporate office and conclude America is filled with Desis but we are still a micro-minority.

Having said that Indian- Pakistani white collar or blue collar are considered “South-Asian” demographic and still a very small minority compared to African- American, Latinos, Chinese etc.

From what I am seeing most south Asians have voted for Trump be it from India or Pak or Hindu or Muslim. However they don’t vote as a block so I won’t be surprised if it is a split in the middle for Republicans and democrats.

Thats my take. Obviously if you are stuck at thoughts like “how Trump will benefit ummah” or “how Trump will cure Islamophobia” topic than don’t think this post is for you but that’s the general way things work in the Desi community in USA.
Most South Asians don’t vote republican. There is no stat that confirms your conjecture
 
Most South Asians don’t vote republican. There is no stat that confirms your conjecture
Among my family, it’s almost a split right in the middle. Also what I noticed a lot of Pakistanis and Indians who are pro-trump
And jingoistic about it can’t even vote.

Also there is no stat to conclude that every citizen of south Asian origin voted for Trump either. I can debunk that right now based on some of my extended family members who are staunch democrats and had a meltdown with Trumps win. May immediate family did vote for Trump though.
 
Among my family, it’s almost a split right in the middle. Also what I noticed a lot of Pakistanis and Indians who are pro-trump
And jingoistic about it can’t even vote.

Also there is no stat to conclude that every citizen of south Asian origin voted for Trump either. I can debunk that right now based on some of my extended family members who are staunch democrats and had a meltdown with Trumps win. May immediate family did vote for Trump though.
There is no stat so there is no basis for any statements such as “most Indians vote for trump” or “most Pakistanis vote for trump.”

It’s all speculation. South Asians have historically voted for dems. That’s what’s a fact. With trump, and with the Gaza situation, this particular election would be an outlier. But still i highly doubt that most south Asians voted for him.

South Asians are mostly located in big metro areas like other minorities and they are all still blue best as I can tell, but still I won’t conclude that a vast majority voted this way or that way.
 
There is no stat so there is no basis for any statements such as “most Indians vote for trump” or “most Pakistanis vote for trump.”

It’s all speculation. South Asians have historically voted for dems. That’s what’s a fact. With trump, and with the Gaza situation, this particular election would be an outlier. But still i highly doubt that most south Asians voted for him.

South Asians are mostly located in big metro areas like other minorities and they are all still blue best as I can tell, but still I won’t conclude that a vast majority voted this way or that way.
Oh bhai- either read or develop your comprehension

This is what I said in my above post.

From what I am seeing most south Asians have voted for Trump be it from India or Pak or Hindu or Muslim. However they don’t vote as a block so I won’t be surprised if it is a split in the middle for Republicans and democrats.
 
America doesn’t have such a large Indian-Pakistani diaspora yet that can get categorized as Hindu Americans- Muslim Americans yet. We might look at a Desi community or some corporate office and conclude America is filled with Desis but we are still a micro-minority.

Having said that Indian- Pakistani white collar or blue collar are considered “South-Asian” demographic and still a very small minority compared to African- American, Latinos, Chinese etc.

From what I am seeing most south Asians have voted for Trump be it from India or Pak or Hindu or Muslim. However they don’t vote as a block so I won’t be surprised if it is a split in the middle for Republicans and democrats.

Thats my take. Obviously if you are stuck at thoughts like “how Trump will benefit ummah” or “how Trump will cure Islamophobia” topic than

Oh bhai- either read or develop your comprehension

This is what I said in my above post.

From what I am seeing most south Asians have voted for Trump be it from India or Pak or Hindu or Muslim. However they don’t vote as a block so I won’t be surprised if it is a split in the middle for Republicans and democrats.
You need to settle on one statement, and stop blaming your own confusion on others.

There is historically no evidence that suggests there has been a split till now. Pakistanis, Indians, Muslims, Hindus, all are minorities and have overwhelmingly voted for Democrats. If you are seeing any (allegedly based on your statement) majority within your diaspora voting for Trump, I am going to outright label that as a lie.

Trump did break off some votes but there is no way it was a 50/50 split.
 
Lets be brutally honest. Indian desi Amreekans, and Indians back in India were supporting Kamala only because her mother was from India.

Trump is not even sworn in, and has already shielded the Amreekan people from Hindutva, Rainbow, and Wokeism agendas.

Love it. Just love it.
 
Lets be brutally honest. Indian desi Amreekans, and Indians back in India were supporting Kamala only because her mother was from India.

Trump is not even sworn in, and has already shielded the Amreekan people from Hindutva, Rainbow, and Wokeism agendas.

Love it. Just love it.
No Indian Indians were supporting Kamala, all Hindutva keyboard warriors are rabid Trump supporters, good try though.

Kamal had support only among Tamil Hindus and they are all socially Liberals.
 
You need to settle on one statement, and stop blaming your own confusion on others.

There is historically no evidence that suggests there has been a split till now. Pakistanis, Indians, Muslims, Hindus, all are minorities and have overwhelmingly voted for Democrats. If you are seeing any (allegedly based on your statement) majority within your diaspora voting for Trump, I am going to outright label that as a lie.

Trump did break off some votes but there is no way it was a 50/50 split.
Ok is it the 50-50 split statement triggering you?. Not sure why you keep responding me with pointless fluff over and over. Ok feel free to throw a hypothetical number at me. I will agree to make you feel better.


Maybe it’s my comprehension skills but don’t even think we are saying things that are that pole apart.

Based on what I am seeing- meaning my friends, family, colleagues, acquaintances of various south Asian kind who voted and whom I spoke with, majority voted for Trump. However there are some passionate democrats who were pained by this result too. In the past a lot of those folks have voted for democrats but shifted to Trump in 2024. In 2016 At least most of these same people voted against him as there was fear of what he would do.

That is my personal experience that I did notice a tilt to the Trump wave. I haven’t said anything different in my above posts. Are you arguing that these guys are lying or what I understood from that is wrong?

2nd statement- -South Asians don’t vote as a block- that’s a yes or no statement- feel free to agree or disagree- that’s your choice.

I covered exactly the same things above so hope this helps. Apart from that there is nothing else to discuss.
 
You need to settle on one statement, and stop blaming your own confusion on others.

There is historically no evidence that suggests there has been a split till now. Pakistanis, Indians, Muslims, Hindus, all are minorities and have overwhelmingly voted for Democrats. If you are seeing any (allegedly based on your statement) majority within your diaspora voting for Trump, I am going to outright label that as a lie.

Trump did break off some votes but there is no way it was a 50/50 split.
You also realize both statements you highlighted are same right?
 
Lets be brutally honest. Indian desi Amreekans, and Indians back in India were supporting Kamala only because her mother was from India.

Trump is not even sworn in, and has already shielded the Amreekan people from Hindutva, Rainbow, and Wokeism agendas.

Love it. Just love it.
You have absolutely zero clue as to the political considerations of South Asians in the USA. Your views are completely divorced from reality.
 
No Indian Indians were supporting Kamala, all Hindutva keyboard warriors are rabid Trump supporters, good try though.

Kamal had support only among Tamil Hindus and they are all socially Liberals.

That's very true.
 
I will never take any Amreekan who once believed Texas would turn blue under Trump, seriously.

Hindutva is among us, and they work in the shadows, supporting anything and anyone that represents Hindu India, including Kamala, even though they will never admit it.

Time to seep out these closet Hindutva driven voters from the cracks and creeks of Western society.
 
I will never take any Amreekan who once believed Texas would turn blue under Trump, seriously.

Hindutva is among us, and they work in the shadows, supporting anything and anyone that represents Hindu India, including Kamala, even though they will never admit it.

Time to seep out these closet Hindutva driven voters from the cracks and creeks of Western society.

Ok. Thanks for your update.
 
Remember, the global Hindutva cult were celebrating Rishi Sunak's appointment as UK PM, and now they want us to believe they did not care about Kamala becoming the most powerful woman on Earth with Indian heritage and genes. Lies. Look at the parties they had planned in Kamala's pind.

Now look at them, in defeat, pretending they were supporting Trump all along.

Every Hindutva cult member, every Rainbow ambassador, and every woke missionary must be identified, and wrapped to an ACME rocket towards the moon. Humanity doesn't need your warped and twisted bankrupt ideologies.
 
That's very true.
Not true mate. Saying only Tamils supported Kamala is foolish. Plenty of Indians of various regions had a melt down with this loss too. However as I said based on my observation a lot of Indians and some Pakistanis I know voted for Trump too but most feel he is better than Kamala not because they have huge hopes from him. Trump’s major voter base is blue collar white people, rest all ar as per his convenience and politics.
 
Lol if everywhere Hindutva can be inserted was a word.
They say Hindus are cowards and weak veggies. Then they proceed to say Hindutva (made of Hindus) is the most dangerous thing and the biggest threat to the world. :srt
 
They say Hindus are cowards and weak veggies. Then they proceed to say Hindutva (made of Hindus) is the most dangerous thing and the biggest threat to the world. :srt
Since 2014 I have seen the narrative from India is weak, Indian govt are jokers , Hindus are weak etc to “Hindutva is causing havoc” “Modi is butcher, Hitler” etc,

While obviously words like Butcher, Hitler are not only dumb and offensive and in this case being used in an insulting tone still don’t know feels kinda good when you hear it from some sources 😊
 
I will never take any Amreekan who once believed Texas would turn blue under Trump, seriously.

Hindutva is among us, and they work in the shadows, supporting anything and anyone that represents Hindu India, including Kamala, even though they will never admit it.

Time to seep out these closet Hindutva driven voters from the cracks and creeks of Western society.

I don't really get this hindutva vote for Kamala angle. She's barely half Indian, and she didn't even vote India herself. She married a non-Indian as far as I am aware.
 
I don't really get this hindutva vote for Kamala angle. She's barely half Indian, and she didn't even vote India herself. She married a non-Indian as far as I am aware.
Yeah it's only weirdos like that Technics guy who believe Hindutva trolls were keen on Kamala. Every Indian message board I've seen seemed to be deluding themselves obsessed by Trump and his 'special' relationship with Modi. I guess the fact that she's a woman who claims to be a Christian and married a white guy puts them off.
 
Yeah it's only weirdos like that Technics guy who believe Hindutva trolls were keen on Kamala. Every Indian message board I've seen seemed to be deluding themselves obsessed by Trump and his 'special' relationship with Modi. I guess the fact that she's a woman who claims to be a Christian and married a white guy puts them off.

She probably is a Christian to be fair, she's half black and brought up in the US. I think she only played on her Indian heritage to get a few simpleton votes, but anyone with half a brain would see through it.
 
She probably is a Christian to be fair, she's half black and brought up in the US. I think she only played on her Indian heritage to get a few simpleton votes, but anyone with half a brain would see through it.
I have no idea what religion she is. Probably irreligious given her background but weirdy, you're not allowed to say that at the top levels of US politics. Even Trump had to ham it up and pretend to have Christian beliefs.
 
Dems should have put up a young white male against Trump and that would have pressed his buttons and highlighted his insecurities.

Kamala did appear reasonably presidential at times but Trump is a juggernaut. He manages to connect with the masses like no other politician.
 
I don't really get this hindutva vote for Kamala angle. She's barely half Indian, and she didn't even vote India herself. She married a non-Indian as far as I am aware.
Hindutva angle could be partially true had Vivek or Tulsi Gabbard was running for President.
 
Indians celebrate if the ceo of Google , the local supermarket manager , or a character in the simpons is Indian . Of course many illegals & legal Indians wanted Harris to win because of this reason .

For the size of India & its population it’s a superpower, no great sports nation , no leader in the world, not even a permanent member of unsc . It helps many Indians feel good about themselves seeing some successful from their background. It’s strange but nothing new
 
Indians celebrate if the ceo of Google , the local supermarket manager , or a character in the simpons is Indian . Of course many illegals & legal Indians wanted Harris to win because of this reason .

For the size of India & its population it’s a superpower, no great sports nation , no leader in the world, not even a permanent member of unsc . It helps many Indians feel good about themselves seeing some successful from their background. It’s strange but nothing new

What made them think she would give a crap about illegal Indians? Are Indians really so simple they believe just because she had some trace of Indian heritage that she actually cares about Indians? There's nothing about her lifestyle which would suggest this.
 
Dems should have put up a young white male against Trump and that would have pressed his buttons and highlighted his insecurities.

Kamala did appear reasonably presidential at times but Trump is a juggernaut. He manages to connect with the masses like no other politician.
I've concluded most countries are not comfortable with or ready for female leaders.

The only exceptions are women who're from political inheritors of popular leaders or Thatcher types - men in women's bodies. They have to more macho and ruthless than most men.

Not that the Dems had any choice after Biden dragged out his decision for so long but they unfortunately had the worst possible combination - a woman, of colour with a funny name and liberal. In retrospect, they had no chance though I was fooling myself for a bit.
 
What made them think she would give a crap about illegal Indians? Are Indians really so simple they believe just because she had some trace of Indian heritage that she actually cares about Indians? There's nothing about her lifestyle which would suggest this.

Kamala wanted to upgrade the visa system where spouses of Indians could also come over under the H1B scheme . Trump doesn’t want this or maybe end it all together .

illegal Indians are regularly arriving , which is strange since Modi has been in power for a decade , in a new 1st world India
 
Indians celebrate if the ceo of Google , the local supermarket manager , or a character in the simpons is Indian . Of course many illegals & legal Indians wanted Harris to win because of this reason .

For the size of India & its population it’s a superpower, no great sports nation , no leader in the world, not even a permanent member of unsc . It helps many Indians feel good about themselves seeing some successful from their background. It’s strange but nothing new
Spot on.

Any Indian, of any genetic make up, of any village, citizen or no citizen, in any western capacity that shines a light, is supported by every Hindutva cult member worldwide.
 
I don't really get this hindutva vote for Kamala angle. She's barely half Indian, and she didn't even vote India herself. She married a non-Indian as far as I am aware.
Not the point. Who cares what Kamala considers herself? Black, Asian, Indian, Amreekan, Hindu, Atheist, confused - it does not matter.

What matters is the Hindutva cult are fully aware of Kamala Harris’s ancestral village in India, where her mother was born.

The Indian connection is the point. This is all that matters to the Hindutva cult.
 
I've concluded most countries are not comfortable with or ready for female leaders.

The only exceptions are women who're from political inheritors of popular leaders or Thatcher types - men in women's bodies. They have to more macho and ruthless than most men.

Not that the Dems had any choice after Biden dragged out his decision for so long but they unfortunately had the worst possible combination - a woman, of colour with a funny name and liberal. In retrospect, they had no chance though I was fooling myself for a bit.

This is a very important point and also tells us an unspoken truth which lies beneath many woke fantasies. There is what we think should be right...and what deep down we actually believe is right.
 
I would say about 60-40 among my friends here.
The ones that support Trump are business owners and heavily invested in stock market.
The ones that oppose Trump think he is racist and a clown. Too many funny clips of Trump appear on social media that influence their decision.
One thing is clear. The support for republicans is growing each election and this is my 3rd time voting.
This.. I would say this is pretty accurate. Also goes by state I fell. In Texas here, a lot more support in Trump , but places like NY or Boston - they support Kamala
 
Kamala wanted to upgrade the visa system where spouses of Indians could also come over under the H1B scheme . Trump doesn’t want this or maybe end it all together .

illegal Indians are regularly arriving , which is strange since Modi has been in power for a decade , in a new 1st world India

Trump explicitly always mentioned he wants a ban on people immigrating from backward and war-torn “Islamic countries” and “Mexican immigrants”- I would say one of those 2 you might have a stake in.

As far as Indian illegals go, yes plenty of them but they are a drop in the ocean compared to illegals from war torn Islamic nations, Mexico and China. No one cares if they are thrown out including Indians.

You are barking at the wrong tree as always.
 
Trump explicitly always mentioned he wants a ban on people immigrating from backward and war-torn “Islamic countries” and “Mexican immigrants”- I would say one of those 2 you might have a stake in.

As far as Indian illegals go, yes plenty of them but they are a drop in the ocean compared to illegals from war torn Islamic nations, Mexico and China. No one cares if they are thrown out including Indians.

You are barking at the wrong tree as always.
What are "war torn" Islamic countries and who is responsible for their state to begin with? Anyhow, your assertion is also just a talking point of the right wingers.

There is very little "illegal" immigration from Muslim countries. You can look up the stats for them. Most of the Muslims immigrants are coming in through proper channels such as claiming asylum or whatnot.

The biggest illegal immigration threat US faces is from the Southern border and that's from central and Latin American nations.
 
Trump explicitly always mentioned he wants a ban on people immigrating from backward and war-torn “Islamic countries” and “Mexican immigrants”- I would say one of those 2 you might have a stake in.

As far as Indian illegals go, yes plenty of them but they are a drop in the ocean compared to illegals from war torn Islamic nations, Mexico and China. No one cares if they are thrown out including Indians.

You are barking at the wrong tree as always.
I only lived in the States for 4 years and lived in a state with few migrants so I never really experienced the paranoia that a lot of Americans seem to have for migrants.

On an intellectual level, it's very difficult to understand - US Unemployment rate is 4.1%, almost a historically low level indicating that everyone who wants a job is finding one. The kind of jobs that illegal immigrants are doing - landscaping, car cleaning, farm labor are jobs that no American would deign to do. So from an outside perspective, it seems like America's benefiting hugely from immigration - illegal...and of course legal where they're attracting the best and brightest of the world...all my IITian cousins are in States.

I do recognise however that there is a more visceral, instinctive reaction to this. To see your own language not spoken in certain areas, to see crime and gangs in these communities, to see certain asylum speakers supported by the State creates a feeling that they're losing control of their country, it's being taken over by 'foreigners' who look and speak different.

I think Dems haven't understood this reaction, where it comes from and how to address it and unless they do, they're not going to be able to cobble a strong majority.
 
I only lived in the States for 4 years and lived in a state with few migrants so I never really experienced the paranoia that a lot of Americans seem to have for migrants.

On an intellectual level, it's very difficult to understand - US Unemployment rate is 4.1%, almost a historically low level indicating that everyone who wants a job is finding one. The kind of jobs that illegal immigrants are doing - landscaping, car cleaning, farm labor are jobs that no American would deign to do. So from an outside perspective, it seems like America's benefiting hugely from immigration - illegal...and of course legal where they're attracting the best and brightest of the world...all my IITian cousins are in States.

I do recognise however that there is a more visceral, instinctive reaction to this. To see your own language not spoken in certain areas, to see crime and gangs in these communities, to see certain asylum speakers supported by the State creates a feeling that they're losing control of their country, it's being taken over by 'foreigners' who look and speak different.

I think Dems haven't understood this reaction, where it comes from and how to address it and unless they do, they're not going to be able to cobble a strong majority.

The illegal immigration across the southern border is a problem regardless of some of the benefits Americans area reaping from the presence of cheap labor especially along the southern states. At the same time it has resulted in abuse of certain governmental benefits as well. Drugs and crime are a big problem as well.

But overall, the US needs immigrants. They have an aging workforce that is retiring and need fresh blood and tax payers to keep the country running. The birth rates of whites are down significantly, an overwhelmingly large section of their population is old and the young are a minority.
 
I'll add some data here. Of the estimated 10 million or so illegal immigrants in 2022, more that 60% were from Mexico or Central America. All this talk about Indian illegals or Muslims from wartorn countries is just anecdotal nonsense.

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It's estimated that that there are 725K illegal Indian immigrants in the States. A little less than El Salvador's 750K - a country with less than 1% of the population of India.
 
The illegal immigration across the southern border is a problem regardless of some of the benefits Americans area reaping from the presence of cheap labor especially along the southern states. At the same time it has resulted in abuse of certain governmental benefits as well. Drugs and crime are a big problem as well.

But overall, the US needs immigrants. They have an aging workforce that is retiring and need fresh blood and tax payers to keep the country running. The birth rates of whites are down significantly, an overwhelmingly large section of their population is old and the young are a minority.

This is the same for just about any developed country. For those that try to discourage immigration, like Japan, they end up with a stagnating economy and severe labour shortages. The anti-immigration rhetoric is usually a sop for local populations and gives them someone else to blame other than themselves.
 
Indians probably shifted to the right like everyone else, but I don't think Trump won them outright.

Indians are a tiny percent of the total population anyway and most of them live in safe blue states, their vote doesn't matter as much as latinos, east asians and blacks
 
Trump explicitly always mentioned he wants a ban on people immigrating from backward and war-torn “Islamic countries” and “Mexican immigrants”- I would say one of those 2 you might have a stake in.

As far as Indian illegals go, yes plenty of them but they are a drop in the ocean compared to illegals from war torn Islamic nations, Mexico and China. No one cares if they are thrown out including Indians.

You are barking at the wrong tree as always.

I don’t live in an Islamic country & am not an immigrant to the USA so is more a problem for you .

I specifically mentioned a visa scheme which Indians use.



India is the 3rd largest origin nation for illegal immgrants in the USA. You as a legal immigrant (I assume) should be sparkling up against this not shying away from this fact .

Do you know many illegals from India & are they worried now trump is in charge ?
 
This is the same for just about any developed country. For those that try to discourage immigration, like Japan, they end up with a stagnating economy and severe labour shortages. The anti-immigration rhetoric is usually a sop for local populations and gives them someone else to blame other than themselves.
That's very true.

Illegals are a burden in some ways but overall if you make them legal, those problems will automatically go away. But that would invite more illegal people so its a fine balance. But in the case of the US, most people complaining are blue collared workers because they face competition from cheap labor and refuse to improve themselves or get further education to move up and stay relevant.

So blaming their issues on immigrants is convenient for them.
 
That's very true.

Illegals are a burden in some ways but overall if you make them legal, those problems will automatically go away. But that would invite more illegal people so its a fine balance. But in the case of the US, most people complaining are blue collared workers because they face competition from cheap labor and refuse to improve themselves or get further education to move up and stay relevant.

So blaming their issues on immigrants is convenient for them.

Also a vote winner for politicians.
 
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