Are Tim Southee and Trent Boult the best fast bowling duo in the world today?

[ahmed778]

They are both young, both of them have picked wickets on Flat tracks.
They can both swing the ball both ways at good pace.
They have the ability to bowl above 140 when necessary.
Yes, i have to say they are the best new fast bowling duo in world cricket in the moment and England will surely find the Two T's a handful when they face them almost one moth later.

 

[Kianig89]

They are both young, both of them have picked wickets on Flat tracks.
They can both swing the ball both ways at good pace.
They have the ability to bowl above 140 when necessary.
Yes, i have to say they are the best new fast bowling duo in world cricket in the moment and England will surely find the Two T's a handful when they face them almost one moth later.

What about Starc Patto Cummins.........they can be handy on these Eng wickets

 

[amax]

Junaid and irfan are also awkward customers but irfan is not young...2 T's are good by the way how fast is Boult???

 

[mallusingh]

Ishant- bhuvaneshwar kumar

 

[ahmed778]

What about Starc Patto Cummins.........they can be handy on these Eng wickets

Starc hasn't looked very impressive in Test Cricket till now.
Pattinson is good but still can't swing the ball a lot.
Cummins, well i'd actually like to see him play 2 Test matches in a row without being injured before i can say anything.

 

[Kianig89]

Starc hasn't looked very impressive in Test Cricket till now.
Pattinson is good but still can't swing the ball a lot.
Cummins, well i'd actually like to see him play 2 Test matches in a row without being injured before i can say anything.

Gig that way Southee n Boult haven't set the world on fire a performance here n there n next best thing.............

 

[khalil1986]

They are good but not world beaters, pace around 135k and when ball isn't moving they are cannon fodder for the most part however both were very impressive against England.

 

[Fire Bird]

Ishant Sharma
Praveen Kumar
Vinay Kumar
Harbhajan Singh

 

[Executioner]

I think they are the 2nd best. Best young pace attack is australia's: starc, cummins and pattinson!

 

[akheR]

I think they are the 2nd best. Best young pace attack is australia's: starc, cummins and pattinson!

Is Cummins even fit ? Starc didn't impress in Test cricket yet but OP is talking in terms of duo, and Southee+Boult definitely have the edge.

 

[HamzaSaeen]

Ishant- bhuvaneshwar kumar

Please dont tell me you are serious...

 

[ali bubba]

I think they are the 2nd best. Best young pace attack is australia's: starc, cummins and pattinson!

Despite the fact they've played 15 tests between them.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Add Dougie Bracewell to the list and the Kiwis do look like developing a potent pace attack, all 3 of them capable of producing match winning spells on bowler friendly wickets.

Will be interesting to see how they perform in early summer in England.

 

[Love Pakistan]

Re: Tim Southee and Trent Boult are the best young fast bowling Duo in the world.

Ishant- bhuvaneshwar kumar

Okay

 

[khanz141]

Junaid and Irfan are right up there, though Irfan is not really young. They have ruined career of Smith for sure

 

[Robert]

Yes, i have to say they are the best new fast bowling duo in world cricket in the moment

[Yoda] A bubble you are having. [/Yoda]

 

[Super Santi]

My earlier post got deleted :-(

Boult looks very promising. Southee's career has been stop-start, he burst onto the scene quite some time ago, i am sure NZ fans will be slightly disappointed that he is not closer to being world class than he currently is.

 

[mithun_minhas]

With every series, the opinions change.

When India was getting hammered in Aus, everyone said that Siddle/Starc/Cumins/Pattinson = world beaters. Back in India, they looked very average

When India was getting hammered in England, Broad/Bresnan were great finds. In India, they bowled like chumps.

We need to wait and see how they fare in non helpful conditions before we judge them.

Right now, Boult/Southe look good. We have to wait and see though.

 

[khanz141]

With every series, the opinions change.

When India was getting hammered in Aus, everyone said that Siddle/Starc/Cumins/Pattinson = world beaters. Back in India, they looked very average

When India was getting hammered in England, Broad/Bresnan were great finds. In India, they bowled like chumps.

We need to wait and see how they fare in non helpful conditions before we judge them.

Right now, Boult/Southe look good. We have to wait and see though.

Pattinson looked good in India too, Maybe not as good as he should be but that's because of the environment he was bowling in. No fast bowler would be able to do anything on those pitches which were tailor made for Spinners. When Nathan Lyon gets a fifer, you know there is something wrong (or right for spinners in this case).

 

[ahmed778]

With every series, the opinions change.

When India was getting hammered in Aus, everyone said that Siddle/Starc/Cumins/Pattinson = world beaters. Back in India, they looked very average

When India was getting hammered in England, Broad/Bresnan were great finds. In India, they bowled like chumps.

We need to wait and see how they fare in non helpful conditions before we judge them.

Right now, Boult/Southe look good. We have to wait and see though.

Boult and Southee both were good in India and Srilanka.
Southee picked a 7fer in an innings in India against India last year.

 

[Space Cat]

Southee appears to be turning a corner in the last year. Boult is still a bit raw but if he can work on his accuracy he will be a very fine bowler.

Both swing the new ball and reverse the old ball which is a very good sign.

 

[cricketworm]

I like seeing Southee bowl since he break into side. He seems to have made a change in his action, and I love his action, his action is like he can lend the ball anywhere he can, don't know how to explain it, but I bet with his action he can bowl yorkers at will. Not sure but Donald's short stint as a bowling coach has certainly seems to have helped him.

 

[Robert]

When India was getting hammered in England, Broad/Bresnan were great finds. In India, they bowled like chumps.

Both were carrying injuries in India. Look at how well Bres did in Australia, and how well Broad did in UAE.

 

[Buffet]

Both were carrying injuries in India. Look at how well Bres did in Australia, and how well Broad did in UAE.

LOL, so you mean they have toured only Aus/UAE without injury?

Bres is not a good bowler outside England. He might have done well in one tour but he is an ordinary bowler in non swinging conditions. Broad has the ability but he blows hot and cold. That makes him an average bowler too. Just my observation after seeing them in non swinging conditions. Finn has pace but it will take him some time. Only Anderson has done reasonably well on consistent basis.

 

[Robert]

LOL, so you mean they have toured only Aus/UAE without injury?

No, just India. Bres has gone in the elbow, is 7 mph down on pace and has stopped swinging and reversing it.

 

[amax]

Bres when fully fit is one of the best reverse swing(hence flat track) bowler in the world.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I think England and South Africa has the best Pace attack.

Steyn, Morkel, Phillander

Jimmy, Broad and Finn - just had one bad series can't write them off

Southee, Boult couldn't win the series for the Kiwis

 

[Space Cat]

I think England and South Africa has the best Pace attack.

Steyn, Morkel, Phillander

Jimmy, Broad and Finn - just had one bad series can't write them off

Southee, Boult couldn't win the series for the Kiwis

Jimmy, Broad and Finn couldn't win the series ether.

 

[Robert]

Jimmy, Broad and Finn couldn't win the series ether.

They would have done but for the rain in the second test. NZ were so lucky in this series........

 

[Jo_Don]

NZ were so lucky in this series........

Some might say the same for England in the 3rd test, they were lucky that McCullum didn't declare sooner

Back on topic, I can't say much about Southee because he hasn't impressed when I saw him play against us. He did play a lot better against England though.

 

[soso_killer]

They would have done but for the rain in the second test. NZ were so lucky in this series........

NZ were lucky? The 1st Test was also hit by rain which NZ dominated. Both teams had "luck" i suppose. The series could have easily been 2-1 in favour of NZ

 

[ahmed778]

They would have done but for the rain in the second test. NZ were so lucky in this series........

They still wouldn't have had won them the series.
Boult and Southee would have won them the series if they were a little bit more lucky.

 

[Space Cat]

They would have done but for the rain in the second test. NZ were so lucky in this series........

Take your fishing rod elsewhere robert

 

[khalil1986]

They would have done but for the rain in the second test. NZ were so lucky in this series........

What about the first test?

 

[Poison]

Bracewell is still the best quickie in NZ. These two did ok in some good conditions, they both look like they'd struggle a lot in the subcontinent though.

 

[ahmed778]

Bracewell is still the best quickie in NZ. These two did ok in some good conditions, they both look like they'd struggle a lot in the subcontinent though.

They both have done well in the SC.
Southee picked up a 7fer in India and also picked a 5fer and 4fer in Srilanka all last year.
Boult was also very impressive on those flat pitches.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

The Northern Districts openers (bowling) all over the Lahore Lions at the moment. 17/4 (Jamshed, Shehzad, Hafeez, and Umar Akmal)

 

[biggestdravidfan]

Nope , Ashok danda and Vinay ko maar.

 

[Mamoon]

No doubt, it has been obvious for a long time now. Southee is excellent but Boult looks pretty special to me.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

No doubt, it has been obvious for a long time now. Southee is excellent but Boult looks pretty special to me.

Boult is a scary scary bowler.

Both of them bowled a BRUTAL spell today.

Sheer joy to watch.

 

[Zero]

Definitely.
Amazing team.

 

[leatherface58]

Excellent bowlers, good fielders. If Milne develops then with Wagner, Milne and Henry would make a very good backup attack. Milne has potential to be a leader as well.

 

[Aman]

Well, how many young attacks are there? I'd say we have the 4th best pace attack in the world after SA, Aus and England.

 

[IAJ]

Amazing how this little country, population wise, can produce so many good cricketers. I have said it before as well, the most talented team in the world.

 

[Aman]

Amazing how this little country, population wise, can produce so many good cricketers. I have said it before as well, the most talented team in the world.

It's nice to finally hear some positive things about our team be said.

Thanks, it's nice to know our cricketers are being acknowledged

 

[Buffet]

Well, how many young attacks are there? I'd say we have the 4th best pace attack in the world after SA, Aus and England.

Without any doubt. It's surely in the top 4.

 

[the Great Khan]

will be deadly on home soil. If they don't get to the semis i'll be surprised. No inzi or Imran to stop them this time.

 

[razabbas]

Well, how many young attacks are there? I'd say we have the 4th best pace attack in the world after SA, Aus and England.

You guys are ahead of england

 

[razabbas]

Mitchell McClenaghan is a good bowler too where he is these days ?

 

[mithun_minhas]

Nope , Ashok danda and Vinay ko maar.

Danda and Ko maar )

 

[Justcrazy]

Southee and Boult would make them people respect them after the WC.

 

[Justcrazy]

The Northern Districts openers (bowling) all over the Lahore Lions at the moment. 17/4 (Jamshed, Shehzad, Hafeez, and Umar Akmal)

They would have struggled even if I and my friend were bowling.

 

[AZ]

Southee I would say is good not great but Boult, he is the real deal...class bowler.

 

[desi_launda]

Southee I would say is good not great but Boult, he is the real deal...class bowler.

in the last 2 years,Southee has taken 70 wickets in 15 matches @22.25

 

[Adil_94]

NZ have a really good crop coming through.

 

[AZ]

^ wow that is quite surprising, Southee flying under the radar.

 

[mithun_minhas]

They indeed are the best young fast bowling duo. Kiwis will be a serious threat if they can find a good spinner instead of Ish Sodhi who is probably worse than Piyush Chawla.

 

[Space Cat]

Mitchell McClenaghan is a good bowler too where he is these days ?

Just plays limited overs for NZ at this stage. Currently playing county cricket.

 

[razabbas]

Just plays limited overs for NZ at this stage. Currently playing county cricket.

Good for him

 

[Hawkeye]

Reminds of me of our recent golden days... Amir and Asif duo.. no parallel..

 

[Amjid Javed]

Both pretty good quick bowlers and they will cause our batsmen problems even in the UAE when we play them, its good to see the kiwis producing such good bowlers as it makes them a competative outfit in all forms of the gam now,

 

[Fahdi]

Boult seems special. One to keep an eye on.

 

[Haz95]

Both are special bowlers. Southee is showing how why hard work pays off while Boult produces absolute rippers.
Honestly if these two fire.....oh how the tables have turned for us in the UAE, pretty worried tbh [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], just in case, can I just say that all my taunting was just jokes

 

[menace2society]

The only thing New Zealand are good at producing is hobbits and Chris Cairns.

Don't let silly domestic games deceive.

 

[Haz95]

The only thing New Zealand are good at producing is hobbits and Chris Cairns.

Don't let silly domestic games deceive.

you've never seen either of em bowl in tests then eh? both are quality and take conditions out of the question

 

[Fastandfurious]

Excellent bowlers, good fielders. If Milne develops then with Wagner, Milne and Henry would make a very good backup attack. Milne has potential to be a leader as well.

He needs to develop a good short ball, it lacks venom atm.

 

[Fastandfurious]

NZ's pace attack is better than England's.

 

[Mamoon]

You'll see these two swing the ball beautifully in UAE as well because they can. The excuse that Junaid and co can swing but don't get the conditions is utter nonsense. We saw him bowl flatly in the UAE and Bhuvenshwar swung the ball both ways only a few days later on the same pitch.

Conventional swing has nothing to do with the pitch.

 

[leatherface58]

The only thing New Zealand are good at producing is hobbits and Chris Cairns.

Don't let silly domestic games deceive.

Yes. No point hyping them up for dismissing a team full of number 11s.

 

[Haz95]

You'll see these two swing the ball beautifully in UAE as well because they can. The excuse that Junaid and co can swing but don't get the conditions is utter nonsense. We saw him bowl flatly in the UAE and Bhuvenshwar swung the ball both ways only a few days later on the same pitch.

Conventional swing has nothing to do with the pitch.

No actually. When there's moisture then conventional swing is easy. Yes the pitch doesn't matter but when its hot like it is in Australia, UAE etc and its clear blue sky, then its hard to swing. However both Southee and Boult swung it beautifully on SSC if i recall correctly therefore there's no doubt both will swing it on the UAE wickets. Especially if our retarded curators decide to get idiotic and produce pace wickets since we're mediocre at bowling and playing spin lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Of course overhead conditions matter and the pitch can contribute to the factor. For example, fast wickets help generate more bounce and pace while on a green top, the ball seams a lot and if you can swing the ball as well, it becomes a deadly combination.

However, that doesn't mean that there is no swing on offer in humid conditions under a blue sky. A new cricket ball will always swing (degree of swing will vary) and bowler who have a clue about will take advantage. Look at how Steyn and Philander bowled in the UAE and the likes of Wasim Akram swung the new ball in our very own conditions. No matter how he bowls on a given day, you will hardly see the likes of Bhuvneshwar not swing the new ball. It has everything to do with the mechanics of your action, particularly the wrist position.

Our bowlers can't move the ball an inch and making excuses for the likes of Junaid etc simply shows a lack of understanding and knowledge. If you notice, under the same conditions where Junaid bowls in straight lines, Rahat makes the ball talk. Even Tanvir gets conventional swing with the new ball but unfortunately, Rahat doesn't have the intelligence for this level and Tanvir is just a T20 specialist.

 

[Haz95]

Of course overhead conditions matter and the pitch can contribute to the factor. For example, fast wickets help generate more bounce and pace while on a green top, the ball seams a lot and if you can swing the ball as well, it becomes a deadly combination.

However, that doesn't mean that there is no swing on offer in humid conditions under a blue sky. A new cricket ball will always swing (degree of swing will vary) and bowler who have a clue about will take advantage. Look at how Steyn and Philander bowled in the UAE and the likes of Wasim Akram swung the new ball in our very own conditions. No matter how he bowls on a given day, you will hardly see the likes of Bhuvneshwar not swing the new ball. It has everything to do with the mechanics of your action, particularly the wrist position.

Our bowlers can't move the ball an inch and making excuses for the likes of Junaid etc simply shows a lack of understanding and knowledge. If you notice, under the same conditions where Junaid bowls in straight lines, Rahat makes the ball talk. Even Tanvir gets conventional swing with the new ball but unfortunately, Rahat doesn't have the intelligence for this level and Tanvir is just a T20 specialist.

I've been saying this for quite a while.
Rahat should be the one with all this guidance and he actually has talent. Can swing it around at 140ks. Considering our options I don't mind investing in him. Even then I don't promise a single thing...only person who kind of lives up to his hype is Wahab

 

[Fastandfurious]

Wahab has been in good form, hopefully it continues, Insha'Allah. Just need to continue feeding him confidence and I think Waqar has done that.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think boult/southee will enjoy bowling against our mediocre batting line up later this year.

 

[Poison]

Boult has really been the most impressive for me - he used to trundle in but he's upped the pace and has got great control over his in/outswingers. Brilliant prospect for NZ, who honestly have a lot of quality quicks coming through atm.

 

[BlackThunder]

Southee beasting and feasting on the English and treating them like school children. 1 more wicket for best WC figures ever.

 

[Aman]

Misses out

Easily the best ODI bowling performance I've seen.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

The best bowling I have seen in years. 7/33 vs England Southee

 

[ahanank]

And they show the importance of yorkers and full-pitched deliveries. No matter what stage of the game.
Our bowlers need a lesson who think bouncers are gonna get them wickets.

 

[Canistani Hero]

They are both young, both of them have picked wickets on Flat tracks.
They can both swing the ball both ways at good pace.
They have the ability to bowl above 140 when necessary.
Yes, i have to say they are the best new fast bowling duo in world cricket in the moment and England will surely find the Two T's a handful when they face them almost one moth later.

What a foresight It's a pity the poor guy got banned