Are we going overboard with the age debate?

[stevewittry]

Many a time this question has crossed my mind, and today would be apt for posting this thread.

Time and again we have had examples of age being just a number and performance on field should be sole criteria behind selection.

Anderson, Broad, Misbah, Younis and even Tendulkar have all defied age and performed to deserve a place in the playing XI.

Hafeez’s innings today was a perfect answer today to silence all critics. Just goes on to show that selectors are doing their job in picking the best XI and players putting in hard yards to stack a claim in the playing XI.

It is a matter of time when Malik will come into his own and start performing. One must fully understand that these players are coming back after a period of gloom where there has been no competitive cricket for past six months. We must support our respective teams and trust selectors for doing a stellar job.

I must iterate Hafeez has today outperformed any other youngsters in the team including the hyped best batsman who does a 40 ball 50 every single match.

 

[Abdullah719]

Anderson, Broad, Misbah, Younis, Tendulkar.... and Hafeez, Malik.

The first group is not like the next.

 

[Muddaser]

Watch Englands innings and you will see why it matters.

 

[stevewittry]

Watch Englands innings and you will see why it matters.

England's game is about high risk. Might not pull out everyone.

Hafeez's innings today was risk free, classier and perfectly tuned.

 

[Muddaser]

England's game is about high risk. Might not pull out everyone.

Hafeez's innings today was risk free, classier and perfectly tuned.

Lets decide how good that innings was when England finish their innings.

 

[King_Kohli]

Shoaib Malik debut :1999
Younis Khan debut :2000
Misbha debut :2002

Pakistan tour of England 2020

Younis Khan :Batting Coach
Misbha: Head Coach
Shoaib Malik :Still playing.

 

[stevewittry]

Shoaib Malik debut :1999
Younis Khan debut :2000
Misbha debut :2002

Pakistan tour of England 2020

Younis Khan :Batting Coach
Misbha: Head Coach
Shoaib Malik :Still playing.

So now the focus has shifted from Hafeez and Malik, to just Malik.

 

[Muddaser]

Game over. Well done Misbah.

We are going nowhere with Shoaib, Hafeez and Iftikhar.

These guys were average in their prime yet Misbah seems to think they can do a job now.

Lets not forget they were bits and pieces players who no longer bowl.

Ridiculous.

 

[Gullycricket]

Many a time this question has crossed my mind, and today would be apt for posting this thread.

Time and again we have had examples of age being just a number and performance on field should be sole criteria behind selection.

Anderson, Broad, Misbah, Younis and even Tendulkar have all defied age and performed to deserve a place in the playing XI.

Hafeez’s innings today was a perfect answer today to silence all critics. Just goes on to show that selectors are doing their job in picking the best XI and players putting in hard yards to stack a claim in the playing XI.

It is a matter of time when Malik will come into his own and start performing. One must fully understand that these players are coming back after a period of gloom where there has been no competitive cricket for past six months. We must support our respective teams and trust selectors for doing a stellar job.

I must iterate Hafeez has today outperformed any other youngsters in the team including the hyped best batsman who does a 40 ball 50 every single match.

Its not only about performance but the scheme of things, whether they fit or not. Tendulkar however great he was wasnt considered for T20. Eng realised it too with Cook, Bell in Odi's. For T20's you need to have high risk high value players mostly.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Never understood the hate for Hafeez. He is still a very good T20 player.
Malik on the other hand is a passenger.

 

[Abdullah719]

Never understood the hate for Hafeez. He is still a very good T20 player.
Malik on the other hand is a passenger.

I don’t know about other people but with his record in five T20 World Cups, I feel that it’s foolish to think he can turn it around when it really matters. Especially now that he’s essentially on his last legs.

 

[Buffet]

Its not only about performance but the scheme of things, whether they fit or not. Tendulkar however great he was wasnt considered for T20. Eng realised it too with Cook, Bell in Odi's. For T20's you need to have high risk high value players mostly.

He took himself out of consideration to allow young players to play in T-20.

Instead of Hafeez, if some young player had played the same knock it would have been far better for Pakistan. T-20 is about giving younger players international exposure. No need to play a full-strength team.

 

[Energy]

Being mediocre and aged is both embarrassing and cunning. Embarrassing on the part of players and cunning on the part of the board mafia.

 

[Firebat]

Its not only about performance but the scheme of things, whether they fit or not. Tendulkar however great he was wasnt considered for T20. Eng realised it too with Cook, Bell in Odi's. For T20's you need to have high risk high value players mostly.

The difference between the situations is the quality of players as well. Players like Hafeez, Malik have declined far too much to be competitive in any way in the longer formats of the game unlike Tendulkar, Cook, Bell etc in the latter parts of their careers. Therefore, they cling on and realise their only chance of playing are in T20s, where they can come out for 20-odd balls to smash what they can and say "look at our experience you need it".

If they are not considered for T20s, there won't be a place for them in Pakistan cricket. This is why they are still in these series. At least Hafeez can actually offer something, Malik has entirely declined and is literally only there for the "experience". It's a pathetic state of affairs.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think there are too many old players in Pakistani T20 team. Teams generally play young guys when it comes to T20 teams.

 

[Varun]

There's nothing called experience in T20 cricket.

Younger the better.

 

[Thephenom]

What other top T20 team has 2 players knocking on the door of 40?!

 

[shamaan]

Give the youngsters a chance !

 

[aukhan]

There's nothing called experience in T20 cricket.

Younger the better.

We will not understand this.

Saare buddhay baabay T20 khelte hain yahan par.

 

[Sheraz]

Age is obviously a factor.. at this rate we are going to have misbah putting his pads back on. He is still reasonably fit. The players you are comparing to are once in a generation cricketers.. if hafeez had averaged 50 all his career then fair enough.. he has a t20 average of 25 I think.. surely the youth in pakistan can match Or better those numbers. If not then it is really doom and gloom.

 

[stevewittry]

I will still iterate there is a reason why these 2 gentlemen are part of this team. The management's lack of trust in the quality of new batting talent can be a reason. Unlike other countries such as Australia, England or even New Zealand which is the breeding ground for exciting batting talents, Pakistan seem to have none who are of the caliber and stature of these 2 players and hence do not enjoy the confidence of selectors.

Hafeez has proven time and again that he is the best and most impactful (in terms of batting potential, talent and innovative stroke play thus enabling him to play at superior strike rates) in Pakistan and there is noone who comes close. Averages in T20s are secondary but its the impact that matters. Malik has been a leading run scorer in franchise cricket and has experience scoring runs world-wide. I am sure he will come good today. We must understand that these players are resuming after 6 months of no cricket and will be understandably rusty. They were not part of the test side so will take a while to find their bearings.

 

[stevewittry]

What do you guys say now ?

 

[Kroll]

I still say Hafeez and Malik should have been kicked out. Haider has proved there are youngsters who can do the job and need to plan for the future.

 

[stevewittry]

Well... the match was won by 2 seniors - Hafeez and Wahab, both tending to their 40s. We must realize that is the best playing XI, give and take a few players. Age should not be a criteria in selection but performance.

 

[Junaids]

Well... the match was won by 2 seniors - Hafeez and Wahab, both tending to their 40s. We must realize that is the best playing XI, give and take a few players. Age should not be a criteria in selection but performance.

The whole reason why the ICL started - and the IPL was originally invented as a form of ambush marketing of the ICL - was because veteran players could bowl 4 overs or run between the wickets for 5 or 10 overs. And the lack of grass on the pitches combined with the lack of a seam on the ball means that geriatric batsmen will perform, just as Wahab Riaz can bowl fast for 24 balls in a day. And just as Iftikhar batted fine in the T20s in Australia where there were no slip fielder, then predictably failed when he stepped up to Test level.

So geriatrics CAN perform in T20.

The question is, do you want them to?

Because if a youngster like Haider Ali can get established in the T20i team you can see how he holds up in the face of pressure, and you can use T20i as a place to develop future internationals.

I was thoroughly bored watching Mohammad Hafeez slog cheap runs on a grassless pitch. But I was genuinely excited to watch Haider Ali, because here is genuine promise for the future!

In an ideal world, my teams would have the following age bands:

Tests
31-33 - 1 player
21-30 - 9 players
18-20 - 1 player

ODI
21-30 - 9 players
18-20 - 2 players

T20i
21-30 - 7 players
18-20 - 4 players

 

[Indiafan]

I still say Hafeez and Malik should have been kicked out. Haider has proved there are youngsters who can do the job and need to plan for the future.

Hafeez is averaging over 90 in t20 for last 2 years. Why should he be kicked out?

 

[Pakpak]

Hafeez is averaging over 90 in t20 for last 2 years. Why should he be kicked out?

Feasting on substandard England C attack is different from facing top rated bowlers who will show him his aukat.

 

[Junaids]

Feasting on substandard England C attack is different from facing top rated bowlers who will show him his aukat.

I have literally no idea what an “aukat” is, but I’m hoping that it is part of the human anatomy!

 

[Giannis]

Shoaib Malik debut :1999
Younis Khan debut :2000
Misbha debut :2002

Pakistan tour of England 2020

Younis Khan :Batting Coach
Misbha: Head Coach
Shoaib Malik :Still playing.

I'd agree with you but this is misleading, Younis and Misbah started their careers quite late as opposed to Malik who was very young.

This list would make more sense
Younis Khan - born 1975 (By his own admission)
Misbah ul Haq - born 1974
Shoaib Malik - born 1982

He's still over 5 years younger than the other 2.

 

[Indiafan]

Feasting on substandard England C attack is different from facing top rated bowlers who will show him his aukat.

So for entire 2 years he only played England C and no other teams?

 

[Indiafan]

Feasting on substandard England C attack is different from facing top rated bowlers who will show him his aukat.

Two years stats, not 1 team. He averages 132 vs new zealand

 

[Pakpak]

Two years stats, not 1 team. He averages 132 vs new zealand

Why not three year stats? Or four years?

His age is 40 officially, but I know personally (as in real personally) that he's not 40. He's a few years older minimum. And will be another year older by the time the WC comes. No need for him in the team. T20 should be about grooming youngsters.

 

[Mesozoic]

Why not three year stats? Or four years?

His age is 40 officially, but I know personally (as in real personally) that he's not 40. He's a few years older minimum. And will be another year older by the time the WC comes. No need for him in the team. T20 should be about grooming youngsters.

So what would you choose ?

Pakistan doing well in the T20 WC (heck even winning it ) with Hafeez scoring runs or getting knocked out from the group stage with *insert any youngster" failing ?

 

[Pakpak]

So what would you choose ?

Pakistan doing well in the T20 WC (heck even winning it ) with Hafeez scoring runs or getting knocked out from the group stage with *insert any youngster" failing ?

Picking a youngster instead of someone who's a perennial choker and who's got an average of 20 in 5 T20 World Cups.

 

[Kroll]

Hafeez is averaging over 90 in t20 for last 2 years. Why should he be kicked out?

I'm not sure if you're being serious but I'll call your bluff.

First of all, yeah, okay, I'll give credit to Hafeez for doing a good job albeit against England reserves. I haven't checked his record for the last two years but that's pretty good too.

However, we need to plan for the LOI WCs that are impending in the next three years and can we really afford to be carrying a 40+ year old guy that's failed more than he has succeeded? We might still see Malik so that would be two 40+ guys in the team.

Hafeez has always thought of himself as a stud when it comes to batting so is this really the level he wants to reduce himself to, just a journeyman T20 batsman? A format in which the other top teams don't give as much importance to as the other formats, but merely use for development purposes and pulling in crowds.

And here he is, jumping around and celebrating as though he's made some super achievement! He's also boasted about being multi-faceted but no longer bowls due to the fear of getting called out for chucking again. This added to his utility but that has gone also.

Because we have sainted seniors who refuse to budge, it's difficult to induct new players into the side. But this is a must in our preparations for the WCs. We have seen how a young guy on debut has succeeded and I'm sure others can also succeed if given the opportunity.

Hafeez has done well recently but I think even Sangakkara, Jayasuriya and KP could do just as well as if they were to come back and start playing T2OI again. I haven't even mentioned Dhoni who's officially around the same age as Hafeez but has packed it in for good.

We have to remind ourselves Hafeez is a proven mental midget as pointed out repeatedly and will go missing in the crunch moments. Hafeez's time is up and there are endless threads on the topic on this board where you can get a better understanding.

 

[RyanRyan10]

40 year old Mohammed Hafeez and 35 year old Wahab Riaz won the match for Pakistan. This should settle the debate.

 

[JaDed]

Whoever fits in the T20 WC plans should play ...but rotation of players is easier in T20 as PSL and other leagues come every year for "experience".

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Haha...
I am damn sure Malik,Hafeez and especially Riaz will fail spectacularly in the upcoming T20 world cup.
Riaz is the type of bowler who goes into self destruction mode in important matches.

 

[shamaan]

I'm not sure if you're being serious but I'll call your bluff.

First of all, yeah, okay, I'll give credit to Hafeez for doing a good job albeit against England reserves. I haven't checked his record for the last two years but that's pretty good too.

However, we need to plan for the LOI WCs that are impending in the next three years and can we really afford to be carrying a 40+ year old guy that's failed more than he has succeeded? We might still see Malik so that would be two 40+ guys in the team.

Hafeez has always thought of himself as a stud when it comes to batting so is this really the level he wants to reduce himself to, just a journeyman T20 batsman? A format in which the other top teams don't give as much importance to as the other formats, but merely use for development purposes and pulling in crowds.

And here he is, jumping around and celebrating as though he's made some super achievement! He's also boasted about being multi-faceted but no longer bowls due to the fear of getting called out for chucking again. This added to his utility but that has gone also.

Because we have sainted seniors who refuse to budge, it's difficult to induct new players into the side. But this is a must in our preparations for the WCs. We have seen how a young guy on debut has succeeded and I'm sure others can also succeed if given the opportunity.

Hafeez has done well recently but I think even Sangakkara, Jayasuriya and KP could do just as well as if they were to come back and start playing T2OI again. I haven't even mentioned Dhoni who's officially around the same age as Hafeez but has packed it in for good.

We have to remind ourselves Hafeez is a proven mental midget as pointed out repeatedly and will go missing in the crunch moments. Hafeez's time is up and there are endless threads on the topic on this board where you can get a better understanding.

I think the next t20 major event is in india and then in austrlia hafeez can play in india but malik needs to be gone only 1 of them should be thier not both

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Haha...
I am damn sure Malik,Hafeez and especially Riaz will fail spectacularly in the upcoming T20 world cup.
Riaz is the type of bowler who goes into self destruction mode in important matches.

How? Riaz was excellent in WC 2011, 15 and 19. He does well in big occasions

 

[Indiafan]

Why not three year stats? Or four years?

His age is 40 officially, but I know personally (as in real personally) that he's not 40. He's a few years older minimum. And will be another year older by the time the WC comes. No need for him in the team. T20 should be about grooming youngsters.

Because of course recent form is given more weight-age and importance?

 

[Pakpak]

Because of course recent form is given more weight-age and importance?

Recent form is given more weight if its consistent. A guy who averages 20 across 5 WCs means he's not a big tournament player. And a guy who's 42 means he's not improving anytime soon and with Malik averaging in single digits but in the squad we can't afford to have 2 passengers in the team.

The only way Hafeez should be in the team is if there is no Malik. [MENTION=143714]Kroll[/MENTION] put everything above that I needed to say

 

[Hasan123]

Look at ability,quality, and a players ceiling. If a player doesn't have the ability there is no point selecting them. If a player is over 30 but is performing to a high level and has the quality there is no harm in selecting them. But you should ensure that there is a plan to phase them out and also you shouldn't have a team full of over 30s.

In a team sport you should always have an eye on the future.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Mishah Ul Haq, during a show on A-Sports, discussed the age of a cricketer:

"I think, Wasim Bhai, it's the quality of the player, Simply. 33, 34 It's not the age, that 'yaar' the team is affecting because of him. In my opinion, this is the best time to understand your game. And you also got the experience of playing. Your performances sometimes come automatically. You know a lot about the things. That's just one off like saying out of form.Their rhythm didn't come. They didn't deliver the way it should be. That's one reason only. Otherwise, if you will see past stats, so mostly teams, mostly you see teams doing better in leagues in T20. Those who have an average age of 30 or more than 30. So it's a blend. Now if Shubman Gill is playing, he is young. So it's not his age basically. It's the quality because of which he is playing and performing. So basically, quality, skill, attitude, fitness, that's what matters."

 

[sweep_shot]

Age doesn't matter but a team should be a mixture of young and old. Some young players need to be included constantly in order to groom them for the future.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Mishah Ul Haq, during a show on A-Sports, discussed the age of a cricketer:

"I think, Wasim Bhai, it's the quality of the player, Simply. 33, 34 It's not the age, that 'yaar' the team is affecting because of him. In my opinion, this is the best time to understand your game. And you also got the experience of playing. Your performances sometimes come automatically. You know a lot about the things. That's just one off like saying out of form.Their rhythm didn't come. They didn't deliver the way it should be. That's one reason only. Otherwise, if you will see past stats, so mostly teams, mostly you see teams doing better in leagues in T20. Those who have an average age of 30 or more than 30. So it's a blend. Now if Shubman Gill is playing, he is young. So it's not his age basically. It's the quality because of which he is playing and performing. So basically, quality, skill, attitude, fitness, that's what matters."

I agree with Misbah. After turning 30, players become more mature, and it's all about skills and quality rather than just age.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Age doesn't matter but a team should be a mixture of young and old. Some young players need to be included constantly in order to groom them for the future.

Age does matter in every way in sport. Over 30s is the back end of a career.

9 out 11 players should be under 25 and can have a couple of seniors in their 30s.

 

[sweep_shot]

Age does matter in every way in sport. Over 30s is the back end of a career.

9 out 11 players should be under 25 and can have a couple of seniors in their 30s.

Cricket is not like other sports.

In cricket, you can have players in the 30s provided they are good like Anderson, Kohli etc.

But, like I said, there need to be some youngsters too (in order to make them ready for the future).

 

[heddie19]

This is why Pakistani fans are known all over the world for being the most delusional and intellectually bankrupt cricket fans in the world.

You are comparing a 27-28 year old Shafique (if he is 23 I’m Donald Trump) with limited potential to a genuine 23-24 year old Gill who has all the ingredients to be the next great Indian batsman.

You talk about Test averages, let Gill play on the Pakistani highways like Shafique and he will average 80+ on those wickets.

Gill plays his Home Tests on turning pitches that are result-oriented because his team is not scared of teams like Australia, England and New Zealand the way Pakistan is.

Someone like Babar would barely average more than 30 in Tests in India let alone Shafique who is inferior to Babar in almost every way.

As I said, Gill’s 91 in Australia to setup India’s chase of 320 on day 5 in the final Test to win them the series is bigger than Abdullah’s entire career so far.

I don’t know what the problem is - zero understanding of cricket or addiction to humiliation because Pakistani fans always pick the wrong battle. Always.

Kohli vs Umar Akmal
Kohli vs Babar
Pandya vs Faheem
Kuldeep vs Shadab
Ashwin vs Ajmal
Ashwin vs Yasir
Bumrah vs Shaheen
And now, Gill vs Shafique

On every single occasion, Pakistani fans were adamant that their player was better and on every single occasion, the Indian counterpart wins the battle and then they are left confused pondering what happened and where did things go wrong.

Right now, you can laughably claim that Shafique is better than Gill and be it far from me to kill your delusions, but we all know what this comparison will look like 5 years from now.

If Shafique is 27,28. Rohit is 41, Virat is definetely 38. Gill 26. Can you confirm since you are having birth certificates of every player?

 

[Mamoon]

If Shafique is 27,28. Rohit is 41, Virat is definetely 38. Gill 26. Can you confirm since you are having birth certificates of every player?

In the above list, all the players are as old as their stated age except Shafique. Iftikhar (no explanation needed), Shafique and Naseem are the biggest age-cheats in Pakistan cricket right now.

The only age-cheat in the Indian team is Shami. He is certainly 36-37 not 33.

 

[heddie19]

In the above list, all the players are as old as their stated age except Shafique. Iftikhar (no explanation needed), Shafique and Naseem are the biggest age-cheats in Pakistan cricket right now.

The only age-cheat in the Indian team is Shami. He is certainly 36-37 not 33.

No arguments over Naseem and Chacha but Abdullah seems to me of his age otherwise he would have started a domestic career earlier than he did.

Please provide some proof of his age instead of talking stupidly without any proof.

 

[Mamoon]

No arguments over Naseem and Chacha but Abdullah seems to me of his age otherwise he would have started a domestic career earlier than he did.

Please provide some proof of his age instead of talking stupidly without any proof.

I forgot Ihsanullah - he is a bigger age cheat than Naseem.

The age at which you start domestic cricket has nothing to do with whether you are age cheat or not.

Misbah started his FC career at 24, Iftikhar started his FC career at 30-31 (real age). Some players are not good enough earlier or they don’t get an opportunity earlier.

The only lame people talk is the laughable assertion that Shafique turned 24 two days ago.

 

[heddie19]

I forgot Ihsanullah - he is a bigger age cheat than Naseem.

The age at which you start domestic cricket has nothing to do with whether you are age cheat or not.

Misbah started his FC career at 24, Iftikhar started his FC career at 30-31 (real age). Some players are not good enough earlier or they don’t get an opportunity earlier.

The only lame people talk is the laughable assertion that Shafique turned 24 two days ago.

Misbah was having his degree that is why he started late, Shafique is actually 24.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I have been saying this for years, we really need fix the age fudging.

I will give you an example, its an under 15 game. There is a boy who is actually 18/19 larping as a 15 year old. He is bigger and stronger, mentally more mature and dominates everyone.

Who do you think gets selected to progress?

What about the real 15 year old who has great potential but his ability is age appropiate?

This is cheating and dishonesty on a fundamental level. You cannot foster high performance in this enviornment.

The problem is exacerbated when a 23 makes his debut but he is really 27. By the time he is fully adjusted to international cricket he is 30. So technically his peak would be at age 33 but physically he would be on a steep decline. This is ridiculous.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Misbah was having his degree that is why he started late, Shafique is actually 24.

Honestly speaking Abdullah shafique looks much older than 24.. may 30 i guess!

 

[Mamoon]

Misbah was having his degree that is why he started late, Shafique is actually 24.

if Shafique is 24 Babar is better than Kohli.

 

[Caved12]

Abdullah Shafique's age is only being targeted because few fans online tried to compare him to Shubman Gill? How dare they try to compare him to Gill

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Abdullah Shafique's age is only being targeted because few fans online tried to compare him to Shubman Gill? How dare they try to compare him to Gill

I don't know about being targeted but he's very likely 3 years overaged. Spent too many years playing U-19 cricket without progressing.

 

[heddie19]

if Shafique is 24 Babar is better than Kohli.

Finally. Thank you for agreeing. Dayr aye darrust aye.

 

[heddie19]

I don't know about being targeted but he's very likely 3 years overaged. Spent too many years playing U-19 cricket without progressing.

Highly talented players get picked early for U19 and play longer there in order to develop. Babar was 15 when he got selected for U19 WC squad, you could see from his unbeareded face that he is actually younger than other players playing in all the other teams and then he represented Pakistan again when he was 17 as the captain. That is how good he was for his age.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Highly talented players get picked early for U19 and play longer there in order to develop. Babar was 15 when he got selected for U19 WC squad, you could see from his unbeareded face that he is actually younger than other players playing in all the other teams and then he represented Pakistan again when he was 17 as the captain. That is how good he was for his age.

Babar also made his FC debut the same year he started playing U-19 cricket.

Abdullah took 4 years after his U-19 to make his FC debut.

"Highly" talented players don't take that long to make it to FC if they debut at 15 in Under 19.

 

[MenInG]

Seems India's loss has somehow resulted in ages of Pakistan players being questioned. The Influence Pakistan has on India is just amazing.

 

[Caved12]

I don't know about being targeted but he's very likely 3 years overaged. Spent too many years playing U-19 cricket without progressing.

It was 4 years yesterday and now it is 3? Give it another day or two, it might go down to one or 0

If you don't like that camparison, then say so and simply discuss his cricket. What is the point of bringing his age and starting a debate that is not going to go anywhere.

Gill is a better player and in a system where even less talented guys than Shafique will turn out to be better than him. No rocket science here. Fans are just fans, this is how the newer generation enjoy their sport by comparing the two players. Nothing wrong with that! But @Mamoon as always losses it and takes things way too far. When I mentioned the age of Shafique's father, he went to attack his entire family and tried to prove that they are all age fudgers lol

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It was 4 years yesterday and now it is 3? Give it another day or two, it might go down to one or 0

If you don't like that camparison, then say so and simply discuss his cricket. What is the point of bringing his age and starting a debate that is not going to go anywhere.

Gill is a better player and in a system where even less talented guys than Shafique will turn out to be better than him. No rocket science here. Fans are just fans, this is how the newer generation enjoy their sport by comparing the two players. Nothing wrong with that! But @Mamoon as always losses it and takes things way too far. When I mentioned the age of Shafique's father, he went to attack his entire family and tried to prove that they are all age fudgers lol

I don't even know where they are being compared and what Gill has to do with Abdullah being overaged or not ?

3 years or 4, if this guy was as gifted as his fans say, he would have made it through the system much quicker.

Prodigous 15 year olds don't take 4 years to make their FC debut .

The only reason the "system" argument is thrown about is to somehow prove that Pakistan have more "naturally gifted " cricketers but they are somehow not reaching their potential because the system is light years behind India, apparently.

But the same people have no issues praising Babar as the #1 ODI batter without hesitation. If the system is good enough to produce the #1 batter and others are nowhere near good enough , then the system can't be blamed .

Again, I'm not sure what other posters have said about Gill or whatever, my post was only about Abdullah.

 

[Mamoon]

Finally. Thank you for agreeing. Dayr aye darrust aye.

Shafique is 27-28 and Babar isn’t half the batsman Kohli is.

 

[Caved12]

Shafique is 27-28 and Babar isn’t half the batsman Kohli is.

lmao

Babar is easily HALF the batsman Kohli is. See you know nothing about cricket and continue to make posts that don't make any sense.

 

[Caved12]

I don't even know where they are being compared and what Gill has to do with Abdullah being overaged or not ?

3 years or 4, if this guy was as gifted as his fans say, he would have made it through the system much quicker.

Prodigous 15 year olds don't take 4 years to make their FC debut .

The only reason the "system" argument is thrown about is to somehow prove that Pakistan have more "naturally gifted " cricketers but they are somehow not reaching their potential because the system is light years behind India, apparently.

But the same people have no issues praising Babar as the #1 ODI batter without hesitation. If the system is good enough to produce the #1 batter and others are nowhere near good enough , then the system can't be blamed .

Again, I'm not sure what other posters have said about Gill or whatever, my post was only about Abdullah.

I am confused as to what you are trying to say and I am sure you knew exactly what I was talking about as you must have read the other thread as well, but you are trying to act smart. But let's the discuss the highlighted part in your post first

Is not our system pathetic and light years behind India?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I am confused as to what you are trying to say and I am sure you knew exactly what I was talking about as you must have read the other thread as well, but you are trying to act smart. But let's the discuss the highlighted part in your post first

Is not our system pathetic and light years behind India?

So the pathetic Pakistan system developed a batter, Abdullah Shafique , whose Test average is 50?

Or is your argument is that if Pakistan had India's system , all your talented batters would be averaging 100 + with the bat?

 

[Caved12]

So the pathetic Pakistan system developed a batter, Abdullah Shafique , whose Test average is 50?

Or is your argument is that if Pakistan had India's system , all your talented batters would be averaging 100 + with the bat?

If you read my posts again, you will find the answer, but first try and answer my question first in yes or no if possible or in detail. Thank you

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If you read my posts again, you will find the answer, but first try and answer my question first in yes or no if possible or in detail. Thank you

It's a stupid argument because Gill's technique is not his strong point at all

If India's system was strong as you are implying we would have never let the brightest young talent to emerge in international cricket with such a relatively weak technique. He relies on his natural ability and hand-eye a lot.

Nor would we have produced bowlers like Bumrah and Siraj who don't have the greatest actions/bowling techniques either

 

[heddie19]

Abdullah is 24, Cummins is 6'4.
Mamoon has lost his mind since India went on the floor. xD

You gotta rhyme it too