Army withdraws tweet 'rejecting' PM House notification on Dawn Leaks, Dawn leaks issue settled

[WebGuru]

RAWALPINDI: The Pakistan Army on Wednesday withdrew its earlier statement rejecting a notification from Prime Minister’s Office on Dawn Leaks.

“The tweet on April 29, 2017 was not aimed at any government office or person. Recommendations as contained in para 18 of the inquiry committee report, duly approved by the Prime Minister, have been implemented, which has settled the Dawn leaks issue,” the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in a statement.

“Accordingly, ISPR’s said Twitter post stands withdrawn and has become infructuous. Pakistan Army reiterates its firm commitment and continued resolve to uphold the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and support the democratic process,” the statement added.

The Pakistan Army April 29 rejected as ‘incomplete’ a notification from Prime Minister’s Office on Dawn Leaks. The notification on Dawn Leaks is incomplete and not in line with recommendations by the inquiry board, DG ISPR Major General Asif Ghafoor wrote on microblogging site Twitter.

The tweet came minutes after the Prime Minister’s Office said that Nawaz Sharif had accepted the inquiry committee’s recommendations. There was no immediate reaction from the Prime Minister House over the rejection of its notification.

Further, the interior ministry on Wednesday, issued a notification claiming to have resolved the Dawn Leaks issue. “The committee recommends that the role of Daily Dawn/Zafar Abbas/Cyril Almeida, in the instant case, may be referred to All Pakistan Newspapers Society (APNS) with a direction to take disciplinary action against the above mentioned.

“Due to reasons referred to previous sections, the action already taken by the federal govt against Senator Pervaiz Rashid is endorsed,” the notification read.

According to the notification, “the committee unanimously agreed that Rao Tehsin Ali had not displayed the required level of professionalism and showed carelessness while dealing with the issue.”

In the controversial story attributed to unnamed sources, Almeida had reported that in the Oct 3, 2016 high-level meeting on national security, the civilian leaders had spoken about the ‘growing diplomatic isolation’ of Pakistan for lack of action against some militant groups. Reportedly the ISI chief was present in the meeting attended by a number of functionaries, including Premier Nawaz Sharif and his brother Shehbaz Sharif.

The news report had whipped up a storm and while the federal government had repeatedly denied it as ‘fabricated and planted’, the military brass had called it a breach of trust on national security.



Source: https://tribune.com.pk/story/140623...t-rejecting-pm-house-notification-dawn-leaks/

 

[WebGuru]

So another deal done behind the doors to protect the interest of each other...

 

[Mian]

The topi drama comes to an end. Ladies and gentlemen khakis officially surrendered. Don't be surprised if there is another NRO in progress

 

[corneredtiger85292]

The army has greatly disappointed the masses today. Very very disappointing !

 

[Syed1]

Pak fauj ne corruption ke samne ghotne tek diyay

 

[Waseem]

To be fair, they shouldn't have tweeted in the first place. They shouldn't openly reject sitting government's recommendation. They could have discussed the matters in private.

PMLN government on the other hand is clueless and pathetic, totally mishandled the issue and now trying to save the face.

I really hope the tweet and u turn was not part of the overall plan from the start.

 

[srh]

PTI has become a huge joke in this matter PTI has to stop trying to appease army and stands on its own

 

[Syed1]

PTI has become a huge joke in this matter PTI has to stop trying to appease army and stands on its own

What has PTI got to do with this?


Showing your lack of IQ again.

 

[Mian]

PTI has become a huge joke in this matter PTI has to stop trying to appease army and stands on its own

Are you a troll? PTI played no role in Dawn leaks except some statements here and there just like other parties. PTI was too busy with Panama case they didn't even bothered to raise Dawn leaks issue and it was Army who kept this issue alive until now and finally surrenderd after some deal behind the doors.

 

[Mian]

What has PTI got to do with this?


Showing your lack of IQ again.

Some of these guys are the reason all overseas Pakistanis are blamed when commenting on any issue related to internal politics of Pakistan.

 

[IAJ]

Isnt the Army chief handpicked by Nawaz? So no surprises there I guess.

 

[waqar goraya]

The worthy DG ISPR could also have offered an apology along with his resignation for undermining the office of the PM.
He should have never tweeted that. Such a basic mistake coming from such a high ranking official deserves an apology rather than a clarification.

And we are well aware that how things are handled in Pakistan in the shapes of deals, NROs. This is really a joke that people are being punished for their inability to stop the publication of the story whereas those who leaked/fed to the reporter are completely unknown.

 

[WebGuru]

Imran Khan trying to welcome more trouble by these tweets questioning GHQ motive.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DawnLeaks issue was never abt army & government. It was abt national security. The whole nation now needs to know what was "settled". 1/3</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862290656714047488">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/3 H Clinton said she lost bec of security issue over her email leaks. Here nation kept in dark on how national security breach resolved.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862292193448402945">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3/3 Manner in which DawnLeak issue resolved shows clearly there is one law for the powerful & another law for the weak.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862292697528246272">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inquiry Commission Report must be made public.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862292874003496964">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[srh]

Imran Khan trying to welcome more trouble by these tweets questioning GHQ motive.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DawnLeaks issue was never abt army & government. It was abt national security. The whole nation now needs to know what was "settled". 1/3</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862290656714047488">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/3 H Clinton said she lost bec of security issue over her email leaks. Here nation kept in dark on how national security breach resolved.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862292193448402945">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3/3 Manner in which DawnLeak issue resolved shows clearly there is one law for the powerful & another law for the weak.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862292697528246272">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inquiry Commission Report must be made public.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/862292874003496964">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I like these tweets from IK. I will support any politician who can take on army and get them under civilian rule.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Well done to Army.


Whatever democracy is in place there should be Civilian Supremacy.


ISI & MI failed during Dawn leaks Inquiry. Compromises and consensus there was wrong.

 

[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The basic question is the same as it was 7 months back : was the story published by Dawn true or false?</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862290944615301122">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Syed1]

My 2 cents:


The boys weren't happy that no action was taken against the main culprit, Maryam Nawaz, because of her relation to the PM.

The government then communicated to the boys that they won't do anything against Massi Maryam and the army can impose martial law if they like. (this will make Nawaz siyasi shaheed again)

The boys then temporarily backed down because they don't want to impose martial law and they still have a say in the JIT. We would see a more strong response from them in the JIT.

 

[WebGuru]

Asad Umar isn't happy
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have been saying from day 1 that dawn leaks is a national issue not an issue of just the army</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862288529589587968">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It was not just core commanders who said that national security had been breached.interior minister called it a conspiracy against Pakistan</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862288976148742144">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After 7 months a departmental inquiry against a civil servant & portfolio change of an advisor to PM. This is price of national conspiracy?</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862290394414956544">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If there was no national security breach what has tariq fatemi been slapped on the wrist for ? Why was pervaiz rashid punished?</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862290718609481728">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The basic question is the same as it was 7 months back : was the story published by Dawn true or false?</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862290944615301122">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If story was true and Pak army is destabilizing the region by harbouring terrorists ,i want the govt to take a clear unequivocal position</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862291446795194368">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If the story was false then departmental enquiry and change of portfolio is a not just a joke but a cover up of a national crime</p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/862291995628158976">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[PakLFC]

Army does not want to save the PM this time by forcing him out. Let democracy lovers suffer until Nawaz meets his natural end.

 

[confused_amoeba]

As much as I hate Nawaz and his govt., Army had no business tweeting that. Who is the boss here? At least try to keep the illusion going even if everyone knows where the real power lies. Imagine Army spokesman tweeting that in USA? The President would have had his resignation in matter of minutes.

 

[Waseem]

PTI has become a huge joke in this matter PTI has to stop trying to appease army and stands on its own

Bro you got it toally wrong once again, PTI is a joke to you even on Panama issue when culprit is actually Sharif family (certified by Supreme court judges not just accusations anymore).
Even in Dawn leaks, it is Imran Khan who is going against PMLN and Pakistan Army's decision. You need to update yourself on this case to realize PTI is the ONLY party that is not joke.

Army made it a MASSIVE issue (and rightly so) as PMLN reps leaked sensitive information (and even twisted discussion).
Army rejected PMLN reccomendations and later withdrew the rejection.
PMLN embarrassed themselves by firing their own people who openly reject their party's decision.

And your assessment is that PTI is a joke??

 

[WebGuru]

Want to see how lifafa in media works? Read 9th may tweet and thn 10th may... jab inki sab predictions andaaze ghalat hojaate hen to Imran per daal ker side per ho jaate hen.

 

[Moiza]

My 2 cents:


The boys weren't happy that no action was taken against the main culprit, Maryam Nawaz, because of her relation to the PM.

The government then communicated to the boys that they won't do anything against Massi Maryam and the army can impose martial law if they like. (this will make Nawaz siyasi shaheed again)

The boys then temporarily backed down because they don't want to impose martial law and they still have a say in the JIT. We would see a more strong response from them in the JIT.

Yes. The boys are always right and even they are helpless and take money to keep their mouths shut, Pakistanis still find way to make it look like a masterstroke. You should start seeing things for what they are, I have seen how actively you call N to be corrupt but close your eyes when the boys are in question. Every single person in this country is corrupt!

 

[Moiza]

My 2 cents:


The boys weren't happy that no action was taken against the main culprit, Maryam Nawaz, because of her relation to the PM.

The government then communicated to the boys that they won't do anything against Massi Maryam and the army can impose martial law if they like. (this will make Nawaz siyasi shaheed again)

The boys then temporarily backed down because they don't want to impose martial law and they still have a say in the JIT. We would see a more strong response from them in the JIT.

Sorry for the spoiler bro but you will end up seeing a Dawn leaks remastered from the JIT too.

 

[Waseem]

Want to see how lifafa in media works? Read 9th may tweet and thn 10th may... jab inki sab predictions andaaze ghalat hojaate hen to Imran per daal ker side per ho jaate hen.

Sadly he was once considered one of our best journalists and everyone respected him as a neutral person. I think he wanted a more lucrative job in Geo and hence changed his tunes and comes across as a typical lifafa journalist and he doesn't even try to hide his bias.

 

[saeedhk]

The army is receiving huge backlash for their decision.

 

[zyrus]

As much as I hate Nawaz and his govt., Army had no business tweeting that. Who is the boss here? At least try to keep the illusion going even if everyone knows where the real power lies. Imagine Army spokesman tweeting that in USA? The President would have had his resignation in matter of minutes.

I wish ours could follow the same

 

[Mamoon]

I tend to stray away from political threads these days but would like to add my two cents on this whole issue. Firstly, the uncouth and vulgar comments aimed at the Army Chief are mainly from two quarters only: Opposition politicians and their followers, and the veterans. They fall a shade short of actually saying it, but they are certainly implying that he himself is now a security threat to the country as he has 'sided' with 'traitors', i.e. the party in power.

Opposition politicians and their followers:

It is not difficult to understand their plight because they thought that the Army Chief would overthrow the elected government on charges of 'breach of national security', thus, opening up the opportunity to have themselves 'installed' in power - a shortcut to through the 'military door'. This attitude is a reflection of an attitude which I thought our political parties had abandoned with time but apparently, they have not learnt from history. I may add here that the present PM is also guilty of this kind of behavior in the past.

The most vocal of course is Khan saab, who is in such a hurry that he cannot wait for one more year when the elections are due; he is more interested in some 'event' which will give him space, because the space in the ballot box is not enough for him.

The veterans:

These 'gentlemen' are not ready to accept civilian supremacy, and feel that the military has an inherent right to rule. No doubt we have had coups in the past with this kind of mindset. I would implore them to remember the glory of their monster chiefs of the past. Yahya Khan, who lost half the country that also resulted in thousands of people becoming POWs, only to be brought home by a civilian leader.

In addition, they should be abusing their beau ideal Zia-ul-Haq who sold our soul to terrorists, who destroyed our way of life and our faith to a level which will take generations to mend, if ever. They should abuse Musharraf who sold us to the U.S., who pocketed amounts as small as $5,000 for each person handed over to the Americans (his own words in his memoir In the Line of Fire), the general who hid Osama from the world for years before the Americans invaded our country's sovereignty and rightly killed him while they were sleeping in their mansions. They should be abusing their commando 'chief' who finally faked illness and ran away after pocketing billions at the behest of the late Saudi King.

They should be abusing their 'chief' Kayani who was scared to go after the terrorists and stole whole housing societies. We must also not forget General Iskandar Mirza, a descendant of Mir Jafar who betrayed Tipu Sultan. One of the biggest villains in Pakistan's history. Of course, the self-proclaimed Field Marshal who deposed him deserves a mention as well.

These 'officers' who abuse General Bajwa must hang their heads in shame and stop abusing the present Chief of Army, an army they claim to be so proud of, they should also remember that they don't represent the military anymore and are no more than chaley hue kartoos. I suggest they do some introspection and mind the filthy language they use against the chief of an institution they unfortunately represented.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

The only issue is what the establishment sold to media and what they did in inquiry commision.

Played dirty double role.


If what was sold to public through media stooges was true than Princess of Pakistan should have been named and fixed aswell. Why just Pervez, Fatmi & Rao ?


If there was no security breach than all should have been acquitted.


There is no justification for inequality and bias in implementing laws.


Where is Dr Danish now ? Where is his flowchart of calls and messages along with personnel numbers ? Will anyone take him to court ? Than ISI and MI will also have to show up.


If there was a security breach and princess was the planner and main culprit than atleast ISI & MI representatives should have written a dissenting note. They were not there to develop consensus and make deals.


It should have been upto the PM to take any action or not.


Army taking back the tweet was absolutely right. They were wrong in tweeting that. In an ideal world DGISPR and the person who asked him to tweet that should have resigned or should have been fired from those positions.


Dawn Leaks did not deserve government to be thrown in any case whatsoever. Don't think opposition wanted it or demanded so.

Masses reaction is quite bad but a major reason for that is anger. They were sold entirely different thing through stooges in media while backdoors where it really mattered legally ie in commision the game was totally different hence masses were made fool.

 

[Mian]

I tend to stray away from political threads these days but would like to add my two cents on this whole issue. Firstly, the uncouth and vulgar comments aimed at the Army Chief are mainly from two quarters only: Opposition politicians and their followers, and the veterans. They fall a shade short of actually saying it, but they are certainly implying that he himself is now a security threat to the country as he has 'sided' with 'traitors', i.e. the party in power.

Opposition politicians and their followers:

It is not difficult to understand their plight because they thought that the Army Chief would overthrow the elected government on charges of 'breach of national security', thus, opening up the opportunity to have themselves 'installed' in power - a shortcut to through the 'military door'. This attitude is a reflection of an attitude which I thought our political parties had abandoned with time but apparently, they have not learnt from history. I may add here that the present PM is also guilty of this kind of behavior in the past.

The most vocal of course is Khan saab, who is in such a hurry that he cannot wait for one more year when the elections are due; he is more interested in some 'event' which will give him space, because the space in the ballot box is not enough for him.

The veterans:

These 'gentlemen' are not ready to accept civilian supremacy, and feel that the military has an inherent right to rule. No doubt we have had coups in the past with this kind of mindset. I would implore them to remember the glory of their monster chiefs of the past. Yahya Khan, who lost half the country that also resulted in thousands of people becoming POWs, only to be brought home by a civilian leader.

In addition, they should be abusing their beau ideal Zia-ul-Haq who sold our soul to terrorists, who destroyed our way of life and our faith to a level which will take generations to mend, if ever. They should abuse Musharraf who sold us to the U.S., who pocketed amounts as small as $5,000 for each person handed over to the Americans (his own words in his memoir In the Line of Fire), the general who hid Osama from the world for years before the Americans invaded our country's sovereignty and rightly killed him while they were sleeping in their mansions. They should be abusing their commando 'chief' who finally faked illness and ran away after pocketing billions at the behest of the late Saudi King.

They should be abusing their 'chief' Kayani who was scared to go after the terrorists and stole whole housing societies. We must also not forget General Iskandar Mirza, a descendant of Mir Jafar who betrayed Tipu Sultan. One of the biggest villains in Pakistan's history. Of course, the self-proclaimed Field Marshal who deposed him deserves a mention as well.

These 'officers' who abuse General Bajwa must hang their heads in shame and stop abusing the present Chief of Army, an army they claim to be so proud of, they should also remember that they don't represent the military anymore and are no more than chaley hue kartoos. I suggest they do some introspection and mind the filthy language they use against the chief of an institution they unfortunately represented.

The only problem is why GHQ created so much hype and give up so easily in the end? It was Khan or PTI giving hype to this issue they were too busy with Panama. Logic says Army surely wanted something in return and they probably got it otherwise it was a lose lose situation for then after creating so mucy hype.

 

[Mian]

I tend to stray away from political threads these days but would like to add my two cents on this whole issue. Firstly, the uncouth and vulgar comments aimed at the Army Chief are mainly from two quarters only: Opposition politicians and their followers, and the veterans. They fall a shade short of actually saying it, but they are certainly implying that he himself is now a security threat to the country as he has 'sided' with 'traitors', i.e. the party in power.

Opposition politicians and their followers:

It is not difficult to understand their plight because they thought that the Army Chief would overthrow the elected government on charges of 'breach of national security', thus, opening up the opportunity to have themselves 'installed' in power - a shortcut to through the 'military door'. This attitude is a reflection of an attitude which I thought our political parties had abandoned with time but apparently, they have not learnt from history. I may add here that the present PM is also guilty of this kind of behavior in the past.

The most vocal of course is Khan saab, who is in such a hurry that he cannot wait for one more year when the elections are due; he is more interested in some 'event' which will give him space, because the space in the ballot box is not enough for him.

The veterans:

These 'gentlemen' are not ready to accept civilian supremacy, and feel that the military has an inherent right to rule. No doubt we have had coups in the past with this kind of mindset. I would implore them to remember the glory of their monster chiefs of the past. Yahya Khan, who lost half the country that also resulted in thousands of people becoming POWs, only to be brought home by a civilian leader.

In addition, they should be abusing their beau ideal Zia-ul-Haq who sold our soul to terrorists, who destroyed our way of life and our faith to a level which will take generations to mend, if ever. They should abuse Musharraf who sold us to the U.S., who pocketed amounts as small as $5,000 for each person handed over to the Americans (his own words in his memoir In the Line of Fire), the general who hid Osama from the world for years before the Americans invaded our country's sovereignty and rightly killed him while they were sleeping in their mansions. They should be abusing their commando 'chief' who finally faked illness and ran away after pocketing billions at the behest of the late Saudi King.

They should be abusing their 'chief' Kayani who was scared to go after the terrorists and stole whole housing societies. We must also not forget General Iskandar Mirza, a descendant of Mir Jafar who betrayed Tipu Sultan. One of the biggest villains in Pakistan's history. Of course, the self-proclaimed Field Marshal who deposed him deserves a mention as well.

These 'officers' who abuse General Bajwa must hang their heads in shame and stop abusing the present Chief of Army, an army they claim to be so proud of, they should also remember that they don't represent the military anymore and are no more than chaley hue kartoos. I suggest they do some introspection and mind the filthy language they use against the chief of an institution they unfortunately represented.

My only question is why GHQ was selling this dawn leak manjan through every core command conf if there was nothing in it? and why fatmi, rasheed and rao had to go home? PTI or Imran never focused on Dawn Leaks unstil this shocking settlement. They were too busy with Panama case so you can't blame Imran or PTI here they were not using this card. Army was using this card to gain something in return thats for sure

 

[IAJ]

Sadly he was once considered one of our best journalists and everyone respected him as a neutral person. I think he wanted a more lucrative job in Geo and hence changed his tunes and comes across as a typical lifafa journalist and he doesn't even try to hide his bias.

From an objective point of view I can say that your post is of typical fan'boys. Once someone (previously very respected) says something against your hero he becomes a joker/a bad person and typical lifafa journo like in this example. People have done this for centuries I guess so no surprises here.

PS! I personally like Imran more than any other politician out there in Pak so don't label me as a hater or N-leegi.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Want to see how lifafa in media works? Read 9th may tweet and thn 10th may... jab inki sab predictions andaaze ghalat hojaate hen to Imran per daal ker side per ho jaate hen.

How do these two tweets prove lifafa journalism . He literally talked bad about PML-n and PTI 's leadership and his prediction about a the army was wrong too . At worst it prove incompetence not lifafa .

 

[WebGuru]

How do these two tweets prove lifafa journalism . He literally talked bad about PML-n and PTI 's leadership and his prediction about a the army was wrong too . At worst it prove incompetence not lifafa .

I have been following his shows and tweets from years (from his PTV days) so i have the idea how he diverts attention from his incompetence and blame PTI/IK for most of his own blunders. According to him everything wrong in this country is because of IK and PTI supporters.

Sethi is another guy with similar approach you know what just 1 day before this settlement btw PMLN and Army he leaked a news in his show that dherna part 2 is coming to derail democratic setup and Army will use IK to derail PMLN govt and settle scores.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Sadly he was once considered one of our best journalists and everyone respected him as a neutral person. I think he wanted a more lucrative job in Geo and hence changed his tunes and comes across as a typical lifafa journalist and he doesn't even try to hide his bias.

From an objective point of view I can say that your post is of typical fan'boys. Once someone (previously very respected) says something against your hero he becomes a joker/a bad person and typical lifafa journo like in this example. People have done this for centuries I guess so no surprises here.

PS! I personally like Imran more than any other politician out there in Pak so don't label me as a hater or N-leegi.

How do these two tweets prove lifafa journalism . He literally talked bad about PML-n and PTI 's leadership and his prediction about a the army was wrong too . At worst it prove incompetence not lifafa .

I have been following his shows and tweets from years (from his PTV days) so i have the idea how he diverts attention from his incompetence and blame PTI/IK for most of his own blunders. According to him everything wrong in this country is because of IK and PTI supporters.

Sethi is another guy with similar approach you know what just 1 day before this settlement btw PMLN and Army he leaked a news in his show that dherna part 2 is coming to derail democratic setup and Army will use IK to derail PMLN govt and settle scores.

A journalist can be against Imran Khan, Asif Zardari or Nawaz Sharif (sahib's) even without a Lifafa.


If People like DW44, Mamoon, Srh, endymion248 etc join Electronic media and criticise IK because they do not agree with him than it doesn't mean that they are getting a Lifafa for it. Yes Journalist's should be neutral but individual bias cannot be eradicated completely.


There are 15 odd journalists who toe the establishment line and even abbrogate article 6 of Constitution on daily basis. They may be forced to do it due to there files (weak links) being in establishment hands or they might be paid for it or they might have a genuine love for establishment but majority of PTI fans, supporters, voters, members etc do not accuse them of Lifafa Journalism infact they call them dalair bahadurr nadarr (super brave) & honest upright patriot journalists.


Note: I know Tallat Hussain sahib is a huge Critic of Imran Khan & PTI. And I don't like it.

 

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Note: I know Tallat Hussain sahib is a huge Critic of Imran Khan & PTI. And I don't like it.

I respect journalists like Kashif Abbasi and Nadeem Malik they don't take Uturns just because they hate a party or leader. When you (Kashif) can bash Army sitting on establishment tv channel from more thn a decade thn surely you deserve all the praise. I have also seen Kashif and Nadeem criticizing PTI and IK many times and that wasn't unfair criticism like Sethi, Talat and a few others do. Some of these guys take Uturns all the time and thn blame IK of taking Uturns? I still remember Shami once said Imran is in the league of leader like Jinnah (Video is available over internet)

 

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I respect journalists like Kashif Abbasi and Nadeem Malik they don't take Uturns just because they hate a party or leader. When you (Kashif) can bash Army sitting on establishment tv channel from more thn a decade thn surely you deserve all the praise. I have also seen Kashif and Nadeem criticizing PTI and IK many times and that wasn't unfair criticism like Sethi, Talat and a few others do. Some of these guys take Uturns all the time and thn blame IK of taking Uturns? I still remember Shami once said Imran is in the league of leader like Jinnah (Video is available over internet)

I agree with your assessment about Kashif & Nadeem. But I would now give more marks to Kashif since in last 2 years Nadeem has tilted abit towards Establishment and he also gives such evidence which only establishment has with them.


Ary hasn't been establishment channel for a decade. It's only been so since Hamid Mir was Shot.


I would go with Zara Hatt K team and Kashif. And for me Kashif will be number 1 for many reasons. Kashif Abassi of today is what Hamid Mir & Iftikhar Ahmed were when under Musharaff electronic media flourished. Credit goes to Dictator.


Hope Iftikhar Ahmed revives " Jawaab Deh " again. That show was nightmare for politicians.


Given the state of Dunya news these days I doubt such a program will materialise.


Maza nai aaraha aaj kal. Hakumatt Nawaz aor Establishment Nawaz programs ki jung chal rai hai. Samaa for me is not what used to be 2 years ago. Off the Record & Zara Hatt K are the only programs worth it.

 

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Shami sahib is a Joke. I hope someday Accountability of Media and Media person's takes place. You will know than.


He is most biased Pro Government journalist far more than Sethi sahib. He even defends those acts of government which majority criticise.

 

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I agree with your assessment about Kashif & Nadeem. But I would now give more marks to Kashif since in last 2 years Nadeem has tilted abit towards Establishment and he also gives such evidence which only establishment has with them.


Ary hasn't been establishment channel for a decade. It's only been so since Hamid Mir was Shot.


I would go with Zara Hatt K team and Kashif. And for me Kashif will be number 1 for many reasons. Kashif Abassi of today is what Hamid Mir & Iftikhar Ahmed were when under Musharaff electronic media flourished. Credit goes to Dictator.


Hope Iftikhar Ahmed revives " Jawaab Deh " again. That show was nightmare for politicians.


Given the state of Dunya news these days I doubt such a program will materialise.


Maza nai aaraha aaj kal. Hakumatt Nawaz aor Establishment Nawaz programs ki jung chal rai hai. Samaa for me is not what used to be 2 years ago. Off the Record & Zara Hatt K are the only programs worth it.

My bad i forgot to mention Zara Hatt K team Zarrar, Wusat and Zaidi all three are doing a top show! Iftikhar Ahmed is no more same he changed alot just like Mir sahab and i heard Iftikhar is given a job in Punjab govt as an adviser? PMLN love giving jobs to media persons in their govt (Sethi, Minhas, Qasmi, Absar, Javed Malik, Irfan Siddiqui are a few examples)

 

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Shami sahib is a Joke. I hope someday Accountability of Media and Media person's takes place. You will know than.


He is most biased Pro Government journalist far more than Sethi sahib. He even defends those acts of government which majority criticise.

True and the accountability should start from this list:

Sethi
Minhas
Qasmi
Absar
Javed Malik
Irfan Siddiqui
Shami

All of them enjoyed special role given by PMLN govt.

 

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My bad i forgot to mention Zara Hatt K team Zarrar, Wusat and Zaidi all three are doing a top show! Iftikhar Ahmed is no more same he changed alot just like Mir sahab and i heard Iftikhar is given a job in Punjab govt as an adviser? PMLN love giving jobs to media persons in their govt (Sethi, Minhas, Qasmi, Absar, Javed Malik, Irfan Siddiqui are a few examples)

Don't know if he still has that position but as per him it was just a honorary position but it was not an advisor's role as far as I remember.


As per Zubair Umar sahib, Asad Omar sahib was advisor of Shehbaz Sharif sahib from 2008 to 2011. Asad hasn't denied it yet.


Geo was doing so well even financially. Don't know what happened to Mir Sahib. Pakistan lost it.

 

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Don't know if he still has that position but as per him it was just a honorary position but it was not an advisor's role as far as I remember.


As per Zubair Umar sahib, Asad Omar sahib was advisor of Shehbaz Sharif sahib from 2008 to 2011. Asad hasn't denied it yet.


Geo was doing so well even financially. Don't know what happened to Mir Sahib. Pakistan lost it.

I think it was Kashif Abbasi that asked Asad Umar about this once in his program and Asad responded that yes Punjab government asked for my advise as CEO of Engro on economic matters and at that time I wasn't a political person. He went onto say that the Musharaff government also seeked advise from him when Mush was in power.

We have to remember that Asad Umar before joining politics was one of the most successful CEOs in the history of Pakistan.

 

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Don't know if he still has that position but as per him it was just a honorary position but it was not an advisor's role as far as I remember.


As per Zubair Umar sahib, Asad Omar sahib was advisor of Shehbaz Sharif sahib from 2008 to 2011. Asad hasn't denied it yet.


Geo was doing so well even financially. Don't know what happened to Mir Sahib. Pakistan lost it.

Asad Umar never denied it that before joining politics he was asked by Shehbaz Sharif and Punjab govt to give them advise on some issues but at that time he wasn't a political person. He joined politics and PTI in 2012 after multiple requests from IK. Zubair tried to stop him from joining PTI. (The details are available in that interview of both brothers by Badami on ARY you can search it on youtube)

 

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I think it was Kashif Abbasi that asked Asad Umar about this once in his program and Asad responded that yes Punjab government asked for my advise as CEO of Engro on economic matters and at that time I wasn't a political person. He went onto say that the Musharaff government also seeked advise from him when Mush was in power.

We have to remember that Asad Umar before joining politics was one of the most successful CEOs in the history of Pakistan.

Yes. But I even if he was an advisor in a bigger role as his brother states that he was very close to joining PML N even than I don’t mind it. Because even it's PPP or PML N I would want such people to be advisors as it would help and benefit people of Pakistan.


Politically I favour PTI, well I can be wrong aswell but that's what I feel for the timebeing but there is a guy from Karachi who is a PML N member. He is Miftah Ismail. I like his body language, personality and his arguments. He seems knowledgable and somebody who is pracrical. He has a position in federal government aswell but I don't mind it. We need such people.


Than the Deputy Mayor of Karachi is someone who should be Mayor with all the powers. He is from MQM but I feel He could do a great job. But unfortunately He is deputy Mayor, a Ghulam of his leader (may be he fears his life) plus PPP isn't giving local government the powers as like PTI has in KPK. So, on national level it is a loss.

 

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Asad Umar never denied it that before joining politics he was asked by Shehbaz Sharif and Punjab govt to give them advise on some issues but at that time he wasn't a political person. He joined politics and PTI in 2012 after multiple requests from IK. Zubair tried to stop him from joining PTI. (The details are available in that interview of both brothers by Badami on ARY you can search it on youtube)

Yes I have seen that clip. Zubair sahib wrote a long email of why He shouldn't join politics

 

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What happened to Mohammad Malick what's the latest about him? I remember he was PTV Chairman for a couple of years until Qasmi was given this job. Qasmi thn appointed himself as MD of PTV too ) Chairman+MD

 

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Since we are talking about Lifafa , lets add Javed Choudry to the lifafa list . They guy is so blatant in his biases its nauseating . I am still not sure about Talat hussain . I quiet like him , he id probably one guy that backs his points with thorough research . I fi had to make a list of people that show the least bias it would be this :

Kamaran shahid

Shahzaib khanzaha ( - minus pti)

Kashif abbasi( - minus malik riaz)

Waseem Badami ( not completely sure but the guy can conduct a good informative show)

Talat hussain ( - minus PTI )

Moed pirdaza ( I guess)

Rest of them are pretty average and let their biases seep through .

 

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Since we are talking about Lifafa , lets add Javed Choudry to the lifafa list . They guy is so blatant in his biases its nauseating . I am still not sure about Talat hussain . I quiet like him , he id probably one guy that backs his points with thorough research . I fi had to make a list of people that show the least bias it would be this :

Kamaran shahid

Shahzaib khanzaha ( - minus pti)

Kashif abbasi( - minus malik riaz)

Waseem Badami ( not completely sure but the guy can conduct a good informative show)

Talat hussain ( - minus PTI )

Moed pirdaza ( I guess)

Rest of them are pretty average and let their biases seep through .

Zara Hat kay team on dawn news is the most unbiased and talks on real issues.
Mubashir Zaidi, Zarar Khoro and Wusat Ullah Khan

 

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Zara Hat kay team on dawn news is the most unbiased and talks on real issues.
Mubashir Zaidi, Zarar Khoro and Wusat Ullah Khan

Haven't heard of them . Don't get dawn news here. Will check them out.

 

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Haven't heard of them . Don't get dawn news here. Will check them out.

It is a current affairs program and come on week days at 11 PM PST on Dawn news. You can watch it on youtube as well.
I lost trust in Pakistani media for a long time but then got to know about this program. If someone is tired of masala, agenda driven and biased reporting and want to listen real issues then this is the program to watch out for.

 

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It is a current affairs program and come on week days at 11 PM PST on Dawn news. You can watch it on youtube as well.
I lost trust in Pakistani media for a long time but then got to know about this program. If someone is tired of masala, agenda driven and biased reporting and want to listen real issues then this is the program to watch out for.

You are very similar to me in many ways dont know why and how ¿


For 10 odd years I used to look at some Anchors, Analysts, Journalists, Writers as very Honest, Brave, Passionate, Patriotic Pakistanis who feel the Pain of average Pakistanis until I found out that No..........


They are stooges, actors, artists who are either Paid by most powerful Sub Institute of a National Institute or they have their secrets/files/weak links with them which them which they will leak otherwise or they will be made Saleem Shehzad hebce they are forced to read scripts.


You only realise this after years of struggle with alot of Reading.


Now 70 % are from this category, 27 % are relatives, friends or servants of PML N and only 2-3 % are those with no Agendas or Scripts. For Me Zara Hatt k team, Kashif Abassi to some extent & to some extent iftikhar ahmed of dunya tv and ejaz haider of Capital Tv are the ones to look out for. That's it. But eveb these guys can go in laps of gov or institute. I wish they don't.

 

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You are very similar to me in many ways dont know why and how ¿


For 10 odd years I used to look at some Anchors, Analysts, Journalists, Writers as very Honest, Brave, Passionate, Patriotic Pakistanis who feel the Pain of average Pakistanis until I found out that No..........


They are stooges, actors, artists who are either Paid by most powerful Sub Institute of a National Institute or they have their secrets/files/weak links with them which them which they will leak otherwise or they will be made Saleem Shehzad hebce they are forced to read scripts.


You only realise this after years of struggle with alot of Reading.


Now 70 % are from this category, 27 % are relatives, friends or servants of PML N and only 2-3 % are those with no Agendas or Scripts. For Me Zara Hatt k team, Kashif Abassi to some extent & to some extent iftikhar ahmed of dunya tv and ejaz haider of Capital Tv are the ones to look out for. That's it. But eveb these guys can go in laps of gov or institute. I wish they don't.

Thats a nice coincidence but you think Haris should be in the test team after 1 year of domestic haha just kidding

bas yar dil dukhta hai system ki kharabian dekh kay Human beings are suffering. Pakistanis are suffering.
One guy who I really like in Pakistan these days is Jibran Nasir. May God keep him safe.


As Naz Khayalvi said "aankh nay kr lia aansoun sai wuzoo" :'(

 

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Thats a nice coincidence but you think Haris should be in the test team after 1 year of domestic haha just kidding

bas yar dil dukhta hai system ki kharabian dekh kay Human beings are suffering. Pakistanis are suffering.
One guy who I really like in Pakistan these days is Jibran Nasir. May God keep him safe.


As Naz Khayalvi said "aankh nay kr lia aansoun sai wuzoo" :'(

Yes I pray for Jibran Nasir. Guys like him can drive Pakistan out of Misery. He is an inspiration. He is Saleem Shehzad replica in many ways. May Allah keep him safe. Aameen.


Do read Yasser Latif Hamdani's articles too. May Allah kerp him safe too. Do read RazaRumi aswell, thankfully He escaped an attack and is now in USA.


No, I think Haris should be on the bench for Next Series incase He passes fitness criteria of NCA and I expressed this in my previous interaction too. From Bench I mean Test Squad. Hope he stays fit.


Incase you want to discuss it further than bump any Haris thread and mention me there.

 

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Yes I pray for Jibran Nasir. Guys like him can drive Pakistan out of Misery. He is an inspiration. He is Saleem Shehzad replica in many ways. May Allah keep him safe. Aameen.


Do read Yasser Latif Hamdani's articles too. May Allah kerp him safe too. Do read RazaRumi aswell, thankfully He escaped an attack and is now in USA.


No, I think Haris should be on the bench for Next Series incase He passes fitness criteria of NCA and I expressed this in my previous interaction too. From Bench I mean Test Squad. Hope he stays fit.


Incase you want to discuss it further than bump any Haris thread and mention me there.

haha yeah that was just on a light node. I understand where you are coming from wrt Haris.