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As an Indian cricket team fan, are you satisfied now?

As an Indian cricket team fan, are you satisfied?

  • Yes, recent wins are too satisfying

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • No, until another CT and CWC win the story is unfinished

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • Jay Shah's goal is the only way to redemption (win in CT 2025 and WTC 2025)

    Votes: 7 38.9%
  • Total voters
    18
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China had a century of humiliation before eventual rise. India on the other hand in the realm of cricket had a decade of humiliation ie (2014-May 2024) but like China 'acche dins' have arrived from them.

First they won the ICC T20 WC 2024 after a surreal choke from the best chokers in the world and now they have won WCL 2024. So are these glories enough to wipe the bitter taste of defeats like WC Final 2014, CT 2017, CWC 2019, WTC 2021, WTC 2023 and most importantly CWC 2023 at home or the appetite for more as jay shah mentioned is the only cure for the erstwhile decade of heartbreak? :unsure:
 
The Bald Eagle said:
China had a century of humiliation before eventual rise. India on the other hand in the realm of cricket had a decade of humiliation ie (2014-May 2024) but like China 'acche dins' have arrived from them.

First they won the ICC T20 WC 2024 after a surreal choke from the best chokers in the world and now they have won WCL 2024. So are these glories enough to wipe the bitter taste of defeats like WC Final 2014, CT 2017, CWC 2019, WTC 2021, WTC 2023 and most importantly CWC 2023 at home or the appetite for more as jay shah mentioned is the only cure for the erstwhile decade of heartbreak? :unsure:
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No world test championship and 50 over worldcup win require to heal the wound
 
The way Pakistan is losing these days the only threat for India in CT 2025 would be England team as most of their players are familiar with conditions in Pakistan.

To win it in Pakistan would be their ultimate goal though they may hide it now to avert extra pressure off them.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
bitter taste of defeats like WC Final 2014, CT 2017, CWC 2019, WTC 2021, WTC 2023 and most importantly CWC 2023 at home
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Out of those, only T20 WC 2014, CT 2017, and CWC 2023 are worth being upset over as India deserved to win those. In 2019, England were the best ODI team in the world and deserved to win the world cup. New Zealand and Australia are better suited for playing in England and deserved to win the WTC.

There are three ICC trophies up for grabs in the next twenty months and winning at least one of them will go a long way towards getting over the 2023 loss.
 
Sachin136 said:
Out of those, only T20 WC 2014, CT 2017, and CWC 2023 are worth being upset over as India deserved to win those. In 2019, England were the best ODI team in the world and deserved to win the world cup. New Zealand and Australia are better suited for playing in England and deserved to win the WTC.

There are three ICC trophies up for grabs in the next twenty months and winning at least one of them will go a long way towards getting over the 2023 loss.
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Out of all these is 2023 loss the most painstaking?
 
Not until ICT has atleast 10 years of complete dominance like Aus team of 2000s. I rate the Australian team higher than WI of the 70s and 80s.
 
Indian fans should be proud of their team, Their way too pessimistic or have their standards way too high.

Does India make mistakes? Yes they do, Their was no point in playing dube and rinku Singh should have been taken instead.

However currently they are the world's best bowling team, a very competent fielding side and while their batting may vary, sometimes it's solid and can decimate opposition and sometimes it's fragile mostly due to the inconsistent forms of rohit and kohli atm it doesn't change the fact that India is a killer team.

Realistically only Australia can eliminate them in world cups. And maybe England. Otherwise no other team stands a chance.
 
mominsaigol said:
Indian fans should be proud of their team, Their way too pessimistic or have their standards way too high.

Does India make mistakes? Yes they do, Their was no point in playing dube and rinku Singh should have been taken instead.

However currently they are the world's best bowling team, a very competent fielding side and while their batting may vary, sometimes it's solid and can decimate opposition and sometimes it's fragile mostly due to the inconsistent forms of rohit and kohli atm it doesn't change the fact that India is a killer team.

Realistically only Australia can eliminate them in world cups. And maybe England. Otherwise no other team stands a chance.
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Agree Indian fans have sky high expectations they should be really thankful that even persisting with a liability like Kohli at expense of jaiswal they pulled out a trophy.
 
I would dearly love us to have a hat-trick of test series wins in our upcoming Downunder tour over a CT or even WTC trophies. I don't rate anything other than winning a LOI World Cup trophy. For tests, an away series win in tougher conditions is much more valuable to me than a one-off finale to decide WTC.
 
This T20 wc win might expedite the relegation or worse completely abandoning the 50 over format and replace that with the t20 wc and they Might play That every 2 yrs ... if that happens then this win will kinda retroactively go a long way in erasing 2023 loss. Time will tell
 
Don't care about WTC if India can keep winning series in SENA.
 
Need a WTC win and and a ODI WC win to round it off....
We were consistently the best team for the last so many years to fail at final hurdles...
And yeah - WTC finals should be a best of 3 or 5 played in diff conditions ie Asian/Dubai/Saf-Aus and Eng - NZ....
imagine if the WTC finals 2021 or 2023 were played in india - the results would be vastly different...
any ways - we have to have the crowning glory of the WTC to round off which will only come with us winning consistently in SENAW countries..
 
mominsaigol said:
Indian fans should be proud of their team, Their way too pessimistic or have their standards way too high.

Does India make mistakes? Yes they do, Their was no point in playing dube and rinku Singh should have been taken instead.

However currently they are the world's best bowling team, a very competent fielding side and while their batting may vary, sometimes it's solid and can decimate opposition and sometimes it's fragile mostly due to the inconsistent forms of rohit and kohli atm it doesn't change the fact that India is a killer team.

Realistically only Australia can eliminate them in world cups. And maybe England. Otherwise no other team stands a chance.
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They have been a tournament team in ODIs for more than a decade with an impressive WL ratio of 6.25 in the last 4 world cups while 2nd best Australia has a WL ratio of 2.25 or something. Reached 2 finals 2 semi finals while winning 1. last 5 years they have seen ascendancy in Tests as well. 5 U19 world cup finals in a row while winning 2 of them. women's cricket is also surging big time. Reached finals of WTC twice. Might reach third time in a row. Youngsters are showing lot of promise. IpL is thriving. IPL franchisees have expanded their reach into other leagues like SA20, MLC. Good phase for Indian cricket fan desspite the missed opportunities.
 
A team should try to improve even when they win tournaments , series. If you try to improve only when you lose then you will hit more road blocks. Indian fans are the harshest critics even when India does well. Jadejas T20 retirement is probably the result of that. He has been under the pump for more than 6 months for his no show in T20s.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They have been a tournament team in ODIs for more than a decade with an impressive WL ratio of 6.25 in the last 4 world cups while 2nd best Australia has a WL ratio of 2.25 or something. Reached 2 finals 2 semi finals while winning 1. last 5 years they have seen ascendancy in Tests as well. 5 U19 world cup finals in a row while winning 2 of them. women's cricket is also surging big time. Reached finals of WTC twice. Might reach third time in a row. Youngsters are showing lot of promise. IpL is thriving. IPL franchisees have expanded their reach into other leagues like SA20, MLC. Good phase for Indian cricket fan desspite the missed opportunities.
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Wins matter and are the only metric history remembers.
We related Football with Brazil because of their world cup wins, one hardly knows that Germany has more final appearances than Brazil. I just worry that we might end up like England or Spain like team in Football. Dominant yes, but not champs as much it should be.
 
Australia has 10 ICC trophies : 6 ODI WC, 2 Champions Trophy, 1 WTC, 1 T20 WC.
India has 6 ICC trophies : 2 ODI WC, 2 Champions Trophy, 2 T20 WC.

I honestly believe ODI WC are the true pinnacle of cricket of our times.
Have a domination like the Windies of 70s or Aussies of 2000s. Thats the dream!
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Wins matter and are the only metric history remembers.
We related Football with Brazil because of their world cup wins, one hardly knows that Germany has more final appearances than Brazil. I just worry that we might end up like England or Spain like team in Football. Dominant yes, but not champs as much it should be.
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Most teams would still love such consistency and bne content. Ever since they abandoned the thought of loading the side with multi skilled players they stopped winning. After a while they loaded the side with 8 batsmen. Results are there to seem. i have been screaming about poor team structure for 5 years. Finally they fixed it.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Most teams would still love such consistency and bne content. Ever since they abandoned the thought of loading the side with multi skilled players they stopped winning. After a while they loaded the side with 8 batsmen. Results are there to seem. i have been screaming about poor team structure for 5 years. Finally they fixed it.
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We need a pipeline of Hardik Pandya like pace All rounders to truly balance the side.
Do we have any among the young guns?
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
We need a pipeline of Hardik Pandya like pace All rounders to truly balance the side.
Do we have any among the young guns?
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I like the idea of Gill using Abhishek as a bowler. He frees up one space. Wish Paragh were tested too. He is a dynamite as a MO batsman. Also terrific fielder. Mich closer to be a specialist bowler.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
The way Pakistan is losing these days the only threat for India in CT 2025 would be England team as most of their players are familiar with conditions in Pakistan.

To win it in Pakistan would be their ultimate goal though they may hide it now to avert extra pressure off them.
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Australia and South Africa are better ODI teams than England
 
We are Bharatiyas.
We do not chase trophies but supreme excellence following the footsteps of our leader PM Modi ji.

Last 3 years, we have won 3 world cups lead by Bharat Ratna Sri Aachin Tendulkar ji, Rohit bhai and Yuvi paaji. Yet we want the o focus on the next trophy and beat whoever comes in our path. Never Settle is our motto.
 
Reaching finals and semis unbeaten only to crash out is in no way a decade of humiliation. Many great conquests came in this period, specially in Test Cricket.
 
ODI WC should be the main objective but yes, winning a T20 WC is definitely a big achievement and very satisfying. Tbh I care a little less about WTC, I feel it is overrated and what matters more is how you perform series on series basis rather than winning a one off final.

I don't know why are you including that retired players league here... I didn't even knew about it until some Pak fans stated hyping it up on Twitter (X) only to lose again.🤦‍♂️ 😂
 
Batting records against Zimbabwe and Nepal still stand in the name of a generational talent from Pakistan.
:inti
 
Hikaru said:
Reaching finals and semis unbeaten only to crash out is in no way a decade of humiliation. Many great conquests came in this period, specially in Test Cricket.
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In a sport with about 6 actual competitive teams left, getting into semis is hardly an achievement. Its not football.
Even in Football we forget who the semifinalists were.
India was basically on track to be like England in football, dominant domestic league outright , always good but never the champ. The kind of financial and other resources we have in cricket, we should aspire for US level domination of basketball.
 
sam_ahm said:
ODI WC should be the main objective but yes, winning a T20 WC is definitely a big achievement and very satisfying. Tbh I care a little less about WTC, I feel it is overrated and what matters more is how you perform series on series basis rather than winning a one off final.

I don't know why are you including that retired players league here... I didn't even knew about it until some Pak fans stated hyping it up on Twitter (X) only to lose again.🤦‍♂️ 😂
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WTC final is a one off random match with zero acclimatization , time zone adjustment. Also they always have this right after IPL. It has to be a series not one off match. if India and Australia reach final they should have a BGT scheduled
 
jnaveen1980 said:
WTC final is a one off random match with zero acclimatization , time zone adjustment. Also they always have this right after IPL. It has to be a series not one off match. if India and Australia reach final they should have a BGT scheduled
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WTC should be in home and away format and if needed a final in Lord's. ( 1 home, 1 away, and 1 Lord's)
If England qualifies for the final shift the final to a rotating neutral venue.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
WTC final is a one off random match with zero acclimatization , time zone adjustment. Also they always have this right after IPL. It has to be a series not one off match. if India and Australia reach final they should have a BGT scheduled
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It was an uneven contest in 2021 especially. With NZ coming to Eng a month in advance and playing 2 non test matches vs Eng just before the final while Indians trudging off from IPL in the 40 degree heat directly into the cold rainy Old Blighty.
 
For me a win or draw in the BG trophy plus a win in CT will be more than enough.

WTC is something I don’t attach too much value to, would like to win but a loss or even not qualifying would not be devastating
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Id rather win BGT then WTC finals
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
In a sport with about 6 actual competitive teams left, getting into semis is hardly an achievement. Its not football.
Even in Football we forget who the semifinalists were.
India was basically on track to be like England in football, dominant domestic league outright , always good but never the champ. The kind of financial and other resources we have in cricket, we should aspire for US level domination of basketball.
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A few competitive teams is how Cricket has always been. I personally dont have a fixation on the trophy and I realise that no amount of financial domination guarantees sucess, this isn't business, it's sports. Travis Head or Shaheen blowing us away was a beautiful sight, so was America and other minnows knocking Pakistan out over the years.

I personally see it as an overall thing. Last decade brought a lot of pride as a cricket fan, trophy or not, we had been the strongest side overall.
 
I have said time and again that India is such a powerful cricketing side that they consistently reach the finals or knockout stages of every ICC tournament. They are that good! They don't rely on Qudrat Ka Nizam, luck, one-off brilliance, or any external factors to make it to the knockouts or finals. They are an excellent team with a high level of skill and consistency.

The notion that India consistently reaching and losing in the finals is a humiliation is absurd. This actually represents a high level of excellence and showcases India's strength and consistency across all formats. Heartbreaks? Yes! Humiliation? No way! I struggle to understand what kind of person would consider such achievements as humiliating.

Imagine if parents preferred their kids to remain at the bottom of the education system rather than being state-level second rankers. Would other parents then label the state-level second ranker a loser for always coming second, or would they look at their own children and reflect on their performance? The same logic applies to cricket. Consistently reaching finals and semifinals is a testament to India's prowess and should be celebrated and acknowledged not derided.

India's cricketing journey is marked by remarkable achievements and an unwavering spirit. Their recent victories in the ICC T20 World Cup and WCL 2024 are proof of their cricketing might. India has consistently reached finals and, now that they have finally won two back-to-back tournaments, they have shown their true potential. While the WCL might just be an exhibition tournament, it still signifies India's ability to perform under pressure and seize victories.

Having tasted success, India might just start conquering everything here onwards or they might have another 10-year drought. But their journey is a testament to hard work, dedication, and excellence, and Indian supporters should all look forward to even greater achievements in the future.

Peace Out! :mc
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
In a sport with about 6 actual competitive teams left, getting into semis is hardly an achievement. Its not football.
Even in Football we forget who the semifinalists were.
India was basically on track to be like England in football, dominant domestic league outright , always good but never the champ. The kind of financial and other resources we have in cricket, we should aspire for US level domination of basketball.
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6-7 Competitive teams or Potential Tournament winners in Cricket is right. But how many competitive teams are there in Football ?
 
This thread is not about other sports. Please stay on cricket and not derail this thread with talks about olympics, football etc.
 
No one cares about the WCL lol.

Only winning a WTC and CT next year will somewhat make up for all the lost opportunities in the last decade.
 
Being a fan is a journey. Trophies are just sweeteners but they can't be the be and end of it.

This Indian team of last 10nyesrs have given plenty of moments to fans to be proud about and a few moments to be sad about. That's life. But then it's been a great ride for sure.

They have given excellent cricket overall. That is indisputable.
 
Sir Alex said:
Being a fan is a journey. Trophies are just sweeteners but they can't be the be and end of it.

This Indian team of last 10nyesrs have given plenty of moments to fans to be proud about and a few moments to be sad about. That's life. But then it's been a great ride for sure.

They have given excellent cricket overall. That is indisputable.
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Being a Fan is a constant! I am Punjab Kings fan, I cant change that willy nilly. But satisfaction is by being the best of the best.
 
Sir Alex said:
Being a fan is a journey. Trophies are just sweeteners but they can't be the be and end of it.

This Indian team of last 10nyesrs have given plenty of moments to fans to be proud about and a few moments to be sad about. That's life. But then it's been a great ride for sure.

They have given excellent cricket overall. That is indisputable.
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This is so true. Also this " ICC trophy " thing is mostly a Pakistani fan obsession. I guess bcoz they think its a good point to troll.

Most Indian fans see the Gabba win & series victory in Australia as big as ICC World Cup win. Bcoz it was first loss for Australia at Gabba since 1988 !

Also while most Pakistani fans overhype CT17 , if u notice most Indians never mention CT13 win so much. When India won 2024 WT20, Ravi Shashtri mentioned its first world title since 2011 WC. Never mentioned CT13. That's how most Indian fans look at CT. Of course Pakistanis will hype it bcoz they beat India but thats not how Indians see it

Like for most England & Australia fans - winning Ashes is bigger than World Cup win
 
NishanKonar said:
This is so true. Also this " ICC trophy " thing is mostly a Pakistani fan obsession. I guess bcoz they think its a good point to troll.

Most Indian fans see the Gabba win & series victory in Australia as big as ICC World Cup win. Bcoz it was first loss for Australia at Gabba since 1988 !

Also while most Pakistani fans overhype CT17 , if u notice most Indians never mention CT13 win so much. When India won 2024 WT20, Ravi Shashtri mentioned its first world title since 2011 WC. Never mentioned CT13. That's how most Indian fans look at CT. Of course Pakistanis will hype it bcoz they beat India but thats not how Indians see it

Like for most England & Australia fans - winning Ashes is bigger than World Cup win
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really? 19 Nov 2023, will rankle us forever? Sorry, Test wins are great but not comparable to World Cup wins.

and yes, CT is mostly a Pakistani obsession because they got their win on us. BUT..... CT 13 was mentioned and hailed by everyone in India as MSD being the only one with the "trifecta of ICC trophies" . Indians now want to forget champions trophy because of incessant trolling by Pakistanis after 2017. Just a reminder, CT 13 was supposed to be the last, it was revived only because India won in 2013.

India received $2 million as prize money for winning the tournament, the largest amount since the tournament's inception.[4] It was due to be the final ICC Champions Trophy, to be replaced by the ICC World Test Championship in 2017,[5] but in January 2014, it was instead confirmed by the ICC that a Champions Trophy tournament would take place in 2017

and as for Ashes, English media loves to hype it up because they had nil record in World cups. Their tone too has slightly shifted since their win in 2019 and 2022.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Being a Fan is a constant! I am Punjab Kings fan, I cant change that willy nilly. But satisfaction is by being the best of the best.
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See I thoroughly enjoyed the team's performance in WC 23. They dismantled most of the opposition like an efficient machine although sadly they chose to have an off day on the worst day possible.

However to watch someone like Shami motoring down the pitch with laser accuracy and demolishing the stumps, the mastery of Bumrah, Siraj toying with Lankans, these were truly joyous moments that I will savor for a long time. As a fan these are the moments that make it worth.

Moments like Gabba - these are once in a lifetime experience. A test series in Australia vs a full strength team and our team happens to be ravaged by I juries and Covid. And yet a band of brothers rallying together to beat the beast in its own den. That's never going to repeat again and I consider myself lucky to have enjoyed it ball by ball, tension by tension. A 100 WC trophy wins can't equal that one moment in which the faith in the team came true. When the belief translates into reality. The satisfaction to have stood by a team against all odds and watching them turn thr tables. Oof

Titles are of course inevitablythe KPIs on which teams and players get judged during a dispassionate analysis of the game - especially a few years down the line. That is why I actually feel sympathy for those who will look back at a 2-1 result for India in Australia and yet cannot truly understand the epochal impact that it had on those who were lucky to witness it live in the moment.
 
Sir Alex said:
See I thoroughly enjoyed the team's performance in WC 23. They dismantled most of the opposition like an efficient machine although sadly they chose to have an off day on the worst day possible.

However to watch someone like Shami motoring down the pitch with laser accuracy and demolishing the stumps, the mastery of Bumrah, Siraj toying with Lankans, these were truly joyous moments that I will savor for a long time. As a fan these are the moments that make it worth.

Moments like Gabba - these are once in a lifetime experience. A test series in Australia vs a full strength team and our team happens to be ravaged by I juries and Covid. And yet a band of brothers rallying together to beat the beast in its own den. That's never going to repeat again and I consider myself lucky to have enjoyed it ball by ball, tension by tension. A 100 WC trophy wins can't equal that one moment in which the faith in the team came true. When the belief translates into reality. The satisfaction to have stood by a team against all odds and watching them turn thr tables. Oof

Titles are of course inevitablythe KPIs on which teams and players get judged during a dispassionate analysis of the game - especially a few years down the line. That is why I actually feel sympathy for those who will look back at a 2-1 result for India in Australia and yet cannot truly understand the epochal impact that it had on those who were lucky to witness it live in the moment.
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What is the achievement we remember from 70s and 80s of Indian cricket?
Its the 83 World Cup. The failure in 87 Semi Final. India might have won some series against the mighty West Indies but that's just stats. Great series wins are memorable but true sporting history is made at the grand stage of World Cups. World Cups are where legends are made. Stats and indepth analysis will always be there. But legacy is by championships.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
What is the achievement we remember from 70s and 80s of Indian cricket?
Its the 83 World Cup. The failure in 87 Semi Final. India might have won some series against the mighty West Indies but that's just stats. Great series wins are memorable but true sporting history is made at the grand stage of World Cups. World Cups are where legends are made. Stats and indepth analysis will always be there. But legacy is by championships.
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You just validated what I said.

Trophies are KPIs and belong in the record books. Gabba like wins are recorded in the hearts.

Each have their own merit.

As a fan I used to value trophies more, but as I age I savour the experiences and the moments more and more than raw statistics.
 
Sir Alex said:
You just validated what I said.

Trophies are KPIs and belong in the record books. Gabba like wins are recorded in the hearts.

Each have their own merit.

As a fan I used to value trophies more, but as I age I savour the experiences and the moments more and more than raw statistics.
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You are a special cricket lover but average fans will and general discussions dont go so deep.
 
I'll only be satisfied the day India lifts the Test Mace.
All these T20 pyjama party wins are just for children who were born yesterday. Same for the 50 over WC.
 
Sir Alex said:
It was an uneven contest in 2021 especially. With NZ coming to Eng a month in advance and playing 2 non test matches vs Eng just before the final while Indians trudging off from IPL in the 40 degree heat directly into the cold rainy Old Blighty.
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and especially when there is no difference between nz,eng pitches.nz lost all the away series even against the likes of sl in that period. Kohli stubbornness added fuel to the fire. He must have replaced a spinner with thakur and ishant with rising siraj.ishant played that final for his hardwork during that period but was not good enough than a rising siraj.wtc23 was a total farce.
 
gani999 said:
I'll only be satisfied the day India lifts the Test Mace.
All these T20 pyjama party wins are just for children who were born yesterday. Same for the 50 over WC.
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Same here. T20 cricket is a joke! I grew up loving Test cricket. ODI cricket was an excellent format that complimented Test cricket. Such a beautiful format ODI cricket was throughout the 90's with home advantage and uneven pitches.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
really? 19 Nov 2023, will rankle us forever? Sorry, Test wins are great but not comparable to World Cup wins.

and yes, CT is mostly a Pakistani obsession because they got their win on us. BUT..... CT 13 was mentioned and hailed by everyone in India as MSD being the only one with the "trifecta of ICC trophies" . Indians now want to forget champions trophy because of incessant trolling by Pakistanis after 2017. Just a reminder, CT 13 was supposed to be the last, it was revived only because India won in 2013.

India received $2 million as prize money for winning the tournament, the largest amount since the tournament's inception.[4] It was due to be the final ICC Champions Trophy, to be replaced by the ICC World Test Championship in 2017,[5] but in January 2014, it was instead confirmed by the ICC that a Champions Trophy tournament would take place in 2017

and as for Ashes, English media loves to hype it up because they had nil record in World cups. Their tone too has slightly shifted since their win in 2019 and 2022.
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2023 WC loss obviously was a big loss. But CT13 was never such a big deal. Nobody really mentions it in the same category as 2007 T20 WC , 2011 ODI WC or 2024 T20 WC. Yes for Dhoni fans it was a big deal but most average fans wont even remember that CT13 win except for passing memories

In fact India also was co-winners of 2002 CT but again most Indian fans never talk about it. The only CT that mattered for Indian fans was actually 2000 CT in Nairobi - even though India lost the final , it was a sort of resurgence of Indian cricket after a few dark years of poor performance & the fixing scandals. Also marked the grand debut of Yuvraj Singh ( also Zaheer Khan )

Also the hype for Ashes in England & Australia is for real. Much bigger than any T20 or ODI WC
 
gani999 said:
I'll only be satisfied the day India lifts the Test Mace.
All these T20 pyjama party wins are just for children who were born yesterday. Same for the 50 over WC.
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Winning the BGT is the unoffical test mace in modern day cricket

Just like Frank Worrel series used to be in the 80s & early 90s before West Indies cricket nosedived
 
Dhakar Pola said:
Interesting..why is this a secondary trophy? Considering this is the most sought after format
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For me at least, the value of a championship or competition builds with time and history. For now at least, the ODI World Cup with 60 years of history and multiple greats playing it and stuck in memory moments clearly shines over the Johnny come lately T20 World Cup.

For fans over the age of 40, the real glory is tests though. Especially against Australia, England and (unfortunately) Pakistan. That's where most of the glorious moments of the last 50 years in Indian cricket come from.
 
Sir Alex said:
See I thoroughly enjoyed the team's performance in WC 23. They dismantled most of the opposition like an efficient machine although sadly they chose to have an off day on the worst day possible.

However to watch someone like Shami motoring down the pitch with laser accuracy and demolishing the stumps, the mastery of Bumrah, Siraj toying with Lankans, these were truly joyous moments that I will savor for a long time. As a fan these are the moments that make it worth.

Moments like Gabba - these are once in a lifetime experience. A test series in Australia vs a full strength team and our team happens to be ravaged by I juries and Covid. And yet a band of brothers rallying together to beat the beast in its own den. That's never going to repeat again and I consider myself lucky to have enjoyed it ball by ball, tension by tension. A 100 WC trophy wins can't equal that one moment in which the faith in the team came true. When the belief translates into reality. The satisfaction to have stood by a team against all odds and watching them turn thr tables. Oof

Titles are of course inevitablythe KPIs on which teams and players get judged during a dispassionate analysis of the game - especially a few years down the line. That is why I actually feel sympathy for those who will look back at a 2-1 result for India in Australia and yet cannot truly understand the epochal impact that it had on those who were lucky to witness it live in the moment.
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Winning test series in Australia is the pinnacle of world cricket. No 2 ways about it. Much bigger than ODI WC

the 2019 victory was due to below par Australia team but the 2021 win was absolutely worth gold. Injury ravaged India beating full strength Australia at Gabba was the ultimate dream come true !
 
Red-Indian said:
For me at least, the value of a championship or competition builds with time and history. For now at least, the ODI World Cup with 60 years of history and multiple greats playing it and stuck in memory moments clearly shines over the Johnny come lately T20 World Cup.

For fans over the age of 40, the real glory is tests though. Especially against Australia, England and (unfortunately) Pakistan. That's where most of the glorious moments of the last 50 years in Indian cricket come from.
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I fancy odi world cup more than T20 also. But for me it's the time frame the competition is being played. 2 years just doesn't feel special
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
WTC final is a one off random match with zero acclimatization , time zone adjustment. Also they always have this right after IPL. It has to be a series not one off match. if India and Australia reach final they should have a BGT scheduled
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I agree. If they are serious about this, then we should have a 3 match series.

Also, like Ravi Shastri said we must have a promotion- Relegation system with the Top 6 and the remaining 6. It will also bring Afg-Ire-Zim into the picture and all the 6 teams will play the same other 5 opponents. As of now it's all quite random. Even the length is series is random.
 
RexRex said:
Winning test series in India should be the pinnacle, much harder that Aus tour.
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That's true for the last 10 years

But historically over the past 100 years Australia has generally been the toughest team to beat at home -except for the early 80s due to Packer drama that weakened the Australian team
 
Rathour backs phased transition for India to make the most of its riches

Vikram Rathour, India’s batting coach under the Rahul Dravid setup, opined that India must ensure a controlled transition process.

The end of a successful ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2024 campaign for India also saw the retirement of Virat Kohli, and Rohit Sharma from the shortest format. The series against Zimbabwe was an oppourtunity for a young Indian team to make their mark under the leadership of Shubman Gill.

And although both Rohit and Kohli are now missing from the T20I picture, Vikram Rathour, India's batting coach for the T20 World Cup 2024, believes they still have a lot to give in other formats.

“It is never going to be easy to replace people of Rohit and Virat's caliber," Rathour told PTI. "The recently concluded series against Zimbabwe gave us some glimpse into how the T20 team will look like in the future.

“But we still have a few years in Test and ODI cricket to get to that point.”

Rathour believes that India had immense talent coming through the system, but the management needs to strike a balance and ensure a smooth transition process so that the current rising crop could establish themselves by the time these veterans called it a day.

“I won't be too concerned about it. We have a lot of depth in Indian cricket. There are lots of very talented and skilful players who are coming through the system.

“The only thing we need to make sure is the transition is done in a controlled manner. It needs to be gradual.”

Rathour also named a few players whom he believes could help make the core of the Indian Test and ODI outfits in the coming years.

“I am hoping that by then, players like Shubman Gill, Rishabh Pant, Yashasvi Jaiswal, Dhruv Jurel, to name a few, would establish themselves and will make the transition smooth.

“In ODIs also, we have experienced players like Shreyas Iyer, KL Rahul and Hardik Pandya to take over.”

A look back at all his wickets in the tournament for India all-rounder Hardik Pandya.

Of the above, Rathour marked out Gill and Jaiswal as the future of the Indian batting in coming years.

“There are many exciting players coming through but these two are equipped to play all three formats for a long time. They are going to be the backbone of Indian batting in years to come.”

Another player that stood out for Rathour, was southpaw Rinku Singh. While the batter has already set the world of T20 cricket ablaze, with a career average of 83.2 and a strike-rate of 176.27, and has also made ODI appearances, Rathour opined the 26-year-old was ready for the longest form of the game as well.

“When I see him bat in nets, I can't find any technical reasons why Rinku [Singh] cannot be a successful Test batter. I understand he has made his name as a terrific finisher in T20 cricket but if you look at his first-class record, he is averaging in high 50s.

“He is also blessed with a very calm temperament. So all these factors indicate that if given an opportunity, he can develop into a Test cricketer."

Source: ICC
 
They haven't won a major trophy since 2011.

World T20 is not a big trophy. It is probably 3rd in terms of importance (first is ODI WC and second is WTC).
 
sweep_shot said:
They haven't won a major trophy since 2011.

World T20 is not a big trophy. It is probably 3rd in terms of importance (first is ODI WC and second is WTC).
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Guess CT doesnt count either, then its been 15 years since PCT won anything :shakib
 
sweep_shot said:
They haven't won a major trophy since 2011.

World T20 is not a big trophy. It is probably 3rd in terms of importance (first is ODI WC and second is WTC).
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Topic and the title of the thread is about Indian cricket team and for the fans of ICT (which you definitely are not one)

Keep continuing with your Indian hatred, razakkar fan (Aren’t you a fan of Pak cricketer Abdul Razzak?).
 
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sweep_shot said:
CT is not a World Cup. It should be scrapped.

In terms of importance, I think it is #4.
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its more like a mini world cup, no stupid sides just bahubalis of cricket play for 1 trophy always makes it so competitive... for me its 2nd most precious trophy after ODI WC.
 
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