Australia dominance against NZ, a concern for Pakistan?

[saeed5646]

second test Australia 180/1in just 40 over look at scoring rate..the bowling line up is one of best pair in modern era tim southee and trent bolt .even they are struggling to tackle aus batting ..aus is in red hot form in home yard ..what are the answer for pak to tackle Australia specialy in their batting ..

 

[Convict]

You won't play in Perth

 

[Bilal7]

Kiwis seem to have lost all the heart and passion that was driving them before this walloping. If we play such soul-less cricket then we'll get smashed too. However, I expect the boys to have some josh and junoon.

Will be fun seeing Smith and Warner get bounced out by Riaz or clean-bowled by Amir.

 

[Convict]

Kiwis seem to have lost all the heart and passion that was driving them before this walloping. If we play such soul-less cricket then we'll get smashed too. However, I expect the boys to have some josh and junoon.

Will be fun seeing Smith and Warner get bounced out by Riaz or clean-bowled by Amir.

Riaz won't get to bowl to Watson all the time

 

[street cricketer]

Aus are one of the most dominant Test sides at home. Any touring team will be demoralized by a defeat first up at the Gabba. SA were the only team which could take the team head on, but even SA has become significantly weaker. Wahab will be much more effective than Amir (if he plays) at Australia. But if YK and Misbah retire, it's going to be a very tough tour for the Pakistani youngsters. Would do well to draw matches there.

 

[dhump]

NZ is massively overrated here like I said before.


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[Nikhil_cric]

Riaz to bounce out Smith and Warner in test cricket ) . The delusions I tellya.

 

[Aman]

Our bowlers aren't made for these conditions.

I'm surprised how England managed to win an Ashes series here, they have an attack which is similar to ours.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

Riaz to bounce out Smith and Warner in test cricket ) . The delusions I tellya.

why is that delusional? Can you not be so condescending towards Pak cricket? These guys aren't two bradman's. It's humans, your attitude suggests wahab is some darn trundler bowling to viv.

On pace assisting bouncy tracks a guy who can easily clock 150kmph bouncers will always be a handful to any batsman in the world. What exactly about that lets you say "the delusions I tellya"? Wish people were a bit more respectful..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

why is that delusional? Can you not be so condescending towards Pak cricket? These guys aren't two bradman's. It's humans, your attitude suggests wahab is some darn trundler bowling to viv.

On pace assisting bouncy tracks a guy who can easily clock 150kmph bouncers will always be a handful to any batsman in the world. What exactly about that lets you say "the delusions I tellya"? Wish people were a bit more respectful..

You clearly haven't seen much test cricket in Australia then? When was the last time you saw any bowler bounce out OZ batsmen? That's right never. Steyn,Morkel,Jimmy all have struggled here on their last tours . So no I don't think a decent bowler like Riaz will do anything of note here . And anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

 

[volcyz]

Disgustingly flat pitch and terrible cricket ball.

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

Our bowlers aren't made for these conditions.

I'm surprised how England managed to win an Ashes series here, they have an attack which is similar to ours.

England literally revolve all their cricket around the Ashes. Every preceding series is seen as prep for the Ashes.

NZ bowled too straight when Burns and Warner were batting, probably struggling with the R+L combo, bowled better since the dismissal of Burns but couldn't take the chances and unlucky to get Warner LB or Khawaja caught behind. I've had enough, I'm going to bed.

 

[Aman]

Disgustingly flat pitch and terrible cricket ball.

This current generation of cricketers will re-write the Australian cricket books. Warner > Hayden and Smith > Ponting, calling it now. [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION]

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

You clearly haven't seen much test cricket in Australia then? When was the last time you saw any bowler bounce out OZ batsmen? That's right never. Steyn,Morkel,Jimmy all have struggled here on their last tours . So no I don't think a decent bowler like Riaz will do anything of note here . And anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Statements like the bolded are meaningless.

Morkel and Jimmy and Steyn don't have Wahab's pace especially Jimmy lol. plus this isn't the same ATG Australia team either. Wahab has decent height and amazing pace and to top it off amazing "staminar" as the aussies would pronounce it. A bouncer brigade would surely set them on the back foot. Wahab should thrive in those conditions. I don't think we'll win the series but to say that Wahab will be quite a threat is not something that should cause someone to be on the floor laughing.

 

[street cricketer]

Though I'm not sold to the Aussie batting yet. Yes, they're piling up runs at home. But I rate the Aussie bowling significantly higher than their batting line up. It's because of 2 reasons.

1. Australian bowling line up is by far the best bowling for flat decks in the world. No other team is as potent as theirs on drop in pitches. Plus, they can be brutal on tracks with good bounce too.

2. The Australian top order was very inconsistent against India at their home. Except Smith and Rogers, others weren't as consistent as them. The difference in batting was their lower order which is world class. Players like Johnson and Harris added valuable runs which proved to be the ultimate difference at the match at Gabba and other matches.

I was a bit reserved against their batting as the chinks were apparent in their batting armour even against a poor bowling side like India. I thought they may struggle against a good bowling side and it was proved in the Ashes.

Right now, Rogers has retired. Warner is in supreme form. Burns, khawaja and Voges are relatively new (although Burns is very impressive among the lot). Smith is always top class at home. So the work will be cut out for the Pakistanis. Warner and Smith are the key wickets holding together their batting line up. If they take trundlers to Australia, they would be cannon fodder for guys like Warner. I don't think Aus will find batting this easier against Pak. But still, I think Pakistan hasn't got the batting to pile up huge runs against their bowling line up and Aus will ultimately romp home comfortably.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Australia's aggressive bashing style of batting is very suitable for their home conditions. NZ don't have a single hit the deck bowler and it is no wonder they have been so brutally exposed. The likes of Bolt and Southee are so over rated, they need a cloud cover to be anywhere near effective.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Statements like the bolded are meaningless.

Morkel and Jimmy and Steyn don't have Wahab's pace especially Jimmy lol. plus this isn't the same ATG Australia team either. Wahab has decent height and amazing pace and to top it off amazing "staminar" as the aussies would pronounce it. A bouncer brigade would surely set them on the back foot. Wahab should thrive in those conditions. I don't think we'll win the series but to say that Wahab will be quite a threat is not something that should cause someone to be on the floor laughing.

) OK . So Wahab will outperform an ATG like Steyn on these pitches and Morkel who is actually taller and quicker than Wahab.

 

[Aman]

Australia's aggressive bashing style of batting is very suitable for their home conditions. NZ don't have a single hit the deck bowler and it is no wonder they have been so brutally exposed. The likes of Bolt and Southee are so over rated, they need a cloud cover to be anywhere near effective.

Rubbish, both have done well without cloud cover. NZ weather isn't like English where players can make a career out of it.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Rubbish, both have done well without cloud cover. NZ weather isn't like English where players can make a career out of it.

They were expected to make an impact on this Australian tour and have failed miserably. Horribly over rated if you ask me, where is Bredon's so called aggressive captaincy right now?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

) OK . So Wahab will outperform an ATG like Steyn on these pitches and Morkel who is actually taller and quicker than Wahab.

While Wahab isn't going to blow away the Aussies, I still think he might be lethal in patches IF he is in form.

Why?

Cos he has pace and is a hit the deck bowler.
And he has some really good bouncers.

On pitches where nothing much is happening except bounce, a Wahab (on paper) is likely to be more effective than someone who just releases the ball and expects to swing. Steyn is an ATG and he figures out a way to perform inspite of it but talking about the kind of bowlers needed for these conditions.

Whether Wahab will perform or not is another matter but I don't see what's the big laughing matter about this.

 

[Pakcricket89]

Riaz to bounce out Smith and Warner in test cricket ) . The delusions I tellya.

Why cant he? We all saw how effective his bounce was in Australia at WC

 

[greenfan]

NZ is massively overrated here like I said before.


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there bowling is upto standard of domestic level. tim southee is club lever bowler.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Isn't Pakistan first going to New Zealand in December, this whooping should be handy.... Or am i wrong ?

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

) OK . So Wahab will outperform an ATG like Steyn on these pitches and Morkel who is actually taller and quicker than Wahab.

I never said Wahab > Steyn. Everyone has good and bad series steyn included.

I'm just saying the conditions in Australia suit Wahab perfectly. English conditions suit Steyn more as well as South Africans because he plays with more finesse. Wahab just needs a bouncy fast track. No this doesn't mean Wahab in Australia > Steyn in Australia. It is possible that maybe Steyn just had a rough series? Doesn't mean anything.

Also morkel isn't as consistenly quick as Wahab imo or has the same stamina.

 

[dhump]

there bowling is upto standard of domestic level. tim southee is club lever bowler.

I dont exaggerate things that much..southee and bolt are good bowlers at times and williamson is a good bat but as a team they are massively overrated.


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[zabalestmsm]

Australia vs Pakistan will be the most exciting Test series next year.

I am not much concerned. I am excited for the challenge. I know we can beat them.

 

[zabalestmsm]

NZ has bowled horribly so far. Australia has taken full advantage of it as well.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

While Wahab isn't going to blow away the Aussies, I still think he might be lethal in patches IF he is in form.

Why?

Cos he has pace and is a hit the deck bowler.
And he has some really good bouncers.

On pitches where nothing much is happening except bounce, a Wahab (on paper) is likely to be more effective than someone who just releases the ball and expects to swing. Steyn is an ATG and he figures out a way to perform inspite of it but talking about the kind of bowlers needed for these conditions.

Whether Wahab will perform or not is another matter but I don't see what's the big laughing matter about this.

Because hit the deck bowlers need to be really tall like Broad who is around 6'5" and gets the ball rise from a length or you need to be a bowler like Johnson in the 2013 Ashes who can bowl easily above 150 kph and bowl at an average speed of around 145 kph for the entire test to have any success in Australia. Anyway bowling bouncers to Australian batsman is useless since they'll cut and pull you all day. Its meat and drink for the likes of Warner and Smith.

 

[Aman]

They were expected to make an impact on this Australian tour and have failed miserably. Horribly over rated if you ask me, where is Bredon's so called aggressive captaincy right now?

One series doesn't make a team bad.

Australia have outplayed us, but you shouldn't write off 2 years hard work winning matches home and away based on one bad series.

That would be silly.

FYI - Boult is returning from injury and is underdone while Southee is carrying an injury.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

only way pakistan have a smidgen of hope is if we play in Adelaide and Sydney where the pitches could help yasir

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Because hit the deck bowlers need to be really tall like Broad who is around 6'5" and gets the ball rise from a length or you need to be a bowler like Johnson in the 2013 Ashes who can bowl easily above 150 kph and bowl at an average speed of around 145 kph for the entire test to have any success in Australia. Anyway bowling bouncers to Australian batsman is useless since they'll cut and pull you all day. Its meat and drink for the likes of Warner and Smith.

Wahab's bouncers can do quite a bit. His CT 2013 performance was damn good (dunno about stats) but was very lethal at times. His WC 2015 bouncers to Watson (I am not hyping up that spell) was sufficient enough to lift very well.

Agreed, he ain't bowling to Watson but its not like his bouncers don't get good height. Plus he gets those 145Kmph spells going.

So Wahab has both speed and bounce.

On paper, he has the tools.

The issue for Wahab is that its a Kookabura ball and it doesn't get abrasive enough in Aus to aid reverse swing much. And when you slip in Aus, you slip a lot as they will plunder you for runs. Wahab's inconsistency may be an issue but I do see him getting some pretty good spells going on.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Wahab's bouncers can do quite a bit. His CT 2013 performance was damn good (dunno about stats) but was very lethal at times. His WC 2015 bouncers to Watson (I am not hyping up that spell) was sufficient enough to lift very well.

Agreed, he ain't bowling to Watson but its not like his bouncers don't get good height. Plus he gets those 145Kmph spells going.

So Wahab has both speed and bounce.

On paper, he has the tools.

The issue for Wahab is that its a Kookabura ball and it doesn't get abrasive enough in Aus to aid reverse swing much. And when you slip in Aus, you slip a lot as they will plunder you for runs. Wahab's inconsistency may be an issue but I do see him getting some pretty good spells going on.

Oh Wahab is quick no doubt but look at his average pace in the last 3 tests - around 140 kmph with a topbspeed of around 148 kmph. In fact I'm not sure Wahab has ever clocked 150 kph in a test match. Steyn at Perth clocked as high as 153 kph three years ago and Johnson got it upto 155 or so. You need to bowl extremely quick and even then bowl full or you'll get whacked. Wahab will be 31 when Pakistan tours and he does not bowl a consistent channel any way. So yes I do think he'll struggle in OZ in test matches.

PPers are just basing all this on that spell to a past it Watson in an ODI. Even then Smith looked quite comfortable against him.

 

[Aman]

Oh Wahab is quick no doubt but look at his average pace in the last 3 tests - around 140 kmph with a topbspeed of around 148 kmph. In fact I'm not sure Wahab has ever clocked 150 kph in a test match. Steyn at Perth clocked as high as 153 kph three years ago and Johnson got it upto 155 or so. You need to bowl extremely quick and even then bowl full or you'll get whacked. Wahab will be 31 when Pakistan tours and he does not bowl a consistent channel any way. So yes I do think he'll struggle in OZ in test matches.

PPers are just basing all this on that spell to a past it Watson in an ODI. Even then Smith looked quite comfortable against him.

People go on about bowling bouncers in Aus, but the Aussies have been brought up on these wickets and are comfortable playing against pacers who bowl a good bouncer. They're far more equipped to handle these deliveries than most other sides in the world. I don't see the point in attacking them with short deliveries or expecting wickets from it because the Aussies play the short ball so well.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Oh Wahab is quick no doubt but look at his average pace in the last 3 tests - around 140 kmph with a topbspeed of around 148 kmph. In fact I'm not sure Wahab has ever clocked 150 kph in a test match. Steyn at Perth clocked as high as 153 kph three years ago and Johnson got it upto 155 or so. You need to bowl extremely quick and even then bowl full or you'll get whacked. Wahab will be 31 when Pakistan tours and he does not bowl a consistent channel any way. So yes I do think he'll struggle in OZ in test matches.

PPers are just basing all this on that spell to a past it Watson in an ODI. Even then Smith looked quite comfortable against him.

What was Johnson's pace in UAE heat during longer spells? Doubt it would be at the same level.

I agree that Watson spell has been done to death here but it was indeed some great piece of bowling. Smith looked super comfortable against Ashwin too in Sydney (2nd innings) where he had all other batsmen in tangle when the pitch started spinning. So can't use that against Wahab.

Wahab will find lack of reverse swing and his lack of consistency to be the challenges. He defo has the tools to be good in Aus. How he goes about it is something that we have to wait and see.

 

[Mamoon]

The Australian tour is a foregone conclusion regardless of what happens NZ. The only thing we can do is try and minimize the thrashing, because a whitewash is inevitable.

A firing Australia is nearly impossible to beat in Australia, and we should be the last team to back ourselves - we have easily been the worst touring team there.

 

[Enigma_]

OP has given the pessimists the material to go full out on this thread it seems.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

People go on about bowling bouncers in Aus, but the Aussies have been brought up on these wickets and are comfortable playing against pacers who bowl a good bouncer. They're far more equipped to handle these deliveries than most other sides in the world. I don't see the point in attacking them with short deliveries or expecting wickets from it because the Aussies play the short ball so well.

Exactly. Bowling short is useless against Australia. They'll smash you remorselessly if you bowl short.

 

[Aman]

Exactly. Bowling short is useless against Australia. They'll smash you remorselessly if you bowl short.

Best hope is side ways movement, but there's no way CA are going to prepare wickets like that.. Tests won't last the 5 days and it will only weaken Australia's chances.

 

[Aman]

What was Johnson's pace in UAE heat during longer spells? Doubt it would be at the same level.

I agree that Watson spell has been done to death here but it was indeed some great piece of bowling. Smith looked super comfortable against Ashwin too in Sydney (2nd innings) where he had all other batsmen in tangle when the pitch started spinning. So can't use that against Wahab.

Wahab will find lack of reverse swing and his lack of consistency to be the challenges. He defo has the tools to be good in Aus. How he goes about it is something that we have to wait and see.

Johnson is done, his pace was well down at the Gabba.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Don't worry , we are going to be whitewashed anyway.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

) OK . So Wahab will outperform an ATG like Steyn on these pitches and Morkel who is actually taller and quicker than Wahab.

Condescending behaviour. Sigh.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Everyone and their dog knows that we would get whooped in australia.

 

[Junaids]

This is not a concern for Pakistan.

If Waqar is in charge - remember, he lives in Sydney - this is just a reminder of what does and does not work in Australia.

Firstly, as [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] has pointed out, the earlier tour by South Africa - who have to be back home for their own domestic Christmas and New Year series - means that Pakistan incredibly luckily won't play at either Brisbane or Perth - the two grounds which least suit them.

The three Tests will be at Melbourne on 26-30 December, Sydney on 2-6 January and almost certainly at Hobart. I think that Sydney will be the Night Test.

Secondly, we have learned - as if we didn't already know - that in Australia you need a COMBINATION attack made up of:

- at least one express bowler (>145K) - Wahab Riaz.
- at least one extremely tall bowler to extract bounce - I say Mohammad Irfan at least for the MCG.
- a leg-spinner - Yasir Shah.
- one or two supporting pace bowlers who must be EITHER faster than 140K OR taller than 6 foot 3 OR have magical skill levels. For you that me either Ehsan Adil or Rahat Ali for their height or Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif for their skill.

We have also learned that in Australia you need to score 700 runs in a Test to be in the match. If your top order can't, your tail must help out.

My idea of a Pakistan side to compete at Melbourne, Sydney and Hobart looks like this:

1. Ahmed Shehzad or Mohammad Hafeez
2. Salman Butt - proven run scorer in Australia
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Mohammad Amir - for runs as well as wickets
9. Wahab Riaz - for pace
10. Yasir Shah - for the ability to contain with leg-spin
11. Mohammad Irfan at the MCG, Rahat Ali at Sydney and Perth

Imran Khan is a disaster waiting to happen at his gentle pace.

My reserves in a 16 man squad would be:

Mohammad Hafeez - likely to do better at Sydney and Hobart
Mohammad Rizwan
Rahat Ali
Ehsan Adil
?

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

This is not a concern for Pakistan.

If Waqar is in charge - remember, he lives in Sydney - this is just a reminder of what does and does not work in Australia.

Firstly, as [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] has pointed out, the earlier tour by South Africa - who have to be back home for their own domestic Christmas and New Year series - means that Pakistan incredibly luckily won't play at either Brisbane or Perth - the two grounds which least suit them.

The three Tests will be at Melbourne on 26-30 December, Sydney on 2-6 January and almost certainly at Hobart. I think that Sydney will be the Night Test.

Secondly, we have learned - as if we didn't already know - that in Australia you need a COMBINATION attack made up of:

- at least one express bowler (>145K) - Wahab Riaz.
- at least one extremely tall bowler to extract bounce - I say Mohammad Irfan at least for the MCG.
- a leg-spinner - Yasir Shah.
- one or two supporting pace bowlers who must be EITHER faster than 140K OR taller than 6 foot 3 OR have magical skill levels. For you that me either Ehsan Adil or Rahat Ali for their height or Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif for their skill.

We have also learned that in Australia you need to score 700 runs in a Test to be in the match. If your top order can't, your tail must help out.

My idea of a Pakistan side to compete at Melbourne, Sydney and Hobart looks like this:

1. Ahmed Shehzad or Mohammad Hafeez
2. Salman Butt - proven run scorer in Australia
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Mohammad Amir - for runs as well as wickets
9. Wahab Riaz - for pace
10. Yasir Shah - for the ability to contain with leg-spin
11. Mohammad Irfan at the MCG, Rahat Ali at Sydney and Perth

Imran Khan is a disaster waiting to happen at his gentle pace.

My reserves in a 16 man squad would be:

Mohammad Hafeez - likely to do better at Sydney and Hobart
Mohammad Rizwan
Rahat Ali
Ehsan Adil
?

Ahmed Shehzad would be a good choice as an opener. He is a good player against bounce. His performance in SA is evidence of it. Hafeez is a beast in UAE and sub-continent conditions. Dont think he would be successful outside Asia.

Also, i would rather have Haris than babar. But again, both havent played in tests yet so you never know which one is better. Currently, Haris's exploits in ODIs and an average of 40 gives me more confidence while selecting him than babar who is a newbie.

Also, Irfan cant play tests. That would be just foolish to do. I would rather have Mir Hamza or Majid Ali. Both excellent young bowlers.

 

[Usman Chadda]

) OK . So Wahab will outperform an ATG like Steyn on these pitches and Morkel who is actually taller and quicker than Wahab.

Not sure why you're getting your knickers in a twist. Wahab will be dangerous on Australian pitches with good bounce. Doubt anyone will NOT agree with that. The guy has pace and is a proper 'hit-the-deck' bowler.

Now if he will be bouncing out Smith and Warner is a different story.

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[Hawkeye]

This is not a concern for Pakistan.

If Waqar is in charge - remember, he lives in Sydney - this is just a reminder of what does and does not work in Australia.

Firstly, as [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] has pointed out, the earlier tour by South Africa - who have to be back home for their own domestic Christmas and New Year series - means that Pakistan incredibly luckily won't play at either Brisbane or Perth - the two grounds which least suit them.

The three Tests will be at Melbourne on 26-30 December, Sydney on 2-6 January and almost certainly at Hobart. I think that Sydney will be the Night Test.

Secondly, we have learned - as if we didn't already know - that in Australia you need a COMBINATION attack made up of:

- at least one express bowler (>145K) - Wahab Riaz.
- at least one extremely tall bowler to extract bounce - I say Mohammad Irfan at least for the MCG.
- a leg-spinner - Yasir Shah.
- one or two supporting pace bowlers who must be EITHER faster than 140K OR taller than 6 foot 3 OR have magical skill levels. For you that me either Ehsan Adil or Rahat Ali for their height or Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif for their skill.

We have also learned that in Australia you need to score 700 runs in a Test to be in the match. If your top order can't, your tail must help out.

My idea of a Pakistan side to compete at Melbourne, Sydney and Hobart looks like this:

1. Ahmed Shehzad or Mohammad Hafeez
2. Salman Butt - proven run scorer in Australia
3. Azhar Ali (capt)
4. Babar Azam
5. Umar Akmal
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
8. Mohammad Amir - for runs as well as wickets
9. Wahab Riaz - for pace
10. Yasir Shah - for the ability to contain with leg-spin
11. Mohammad Irfan at the MCG, Rahat Ali at Sydney and Perth

Imran Khan is a disaster waiting to happen at his gentle pace.

My reserves in a 16 man squad would be:

Mohammad Hafeez - likely to do better at Sydney and Hobart
Mohammad Rizwan
Rahat Ali
Ehsan Adil
?

Good team, except the openers. I'd also fit in Haris Sohail somewhere. Yk will also be there I reckon.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Wahab is no loser like Bolt who has failed on the big stage i.e. the Australian tour. Michael Clarke has actually said on record that the way Wahab bowled on that night against Watson finally helped them understand what it was like to face Mitchel Johnson during the Ashes of 2013-14

 

[Junaids]

Ahmed Shehzad would be a good choice as an opener. He is a good player against bounce. His performance in SA is evidence of it. Hafeez is a beast in UAE and sub-continent conditions. Dont think he would be successful outside Asia.

Also, i would rather have Haris than babar. But again, both havent played in tests yet so you never know which one is better. Currently, Haris's exploits in ODIs and an average of 40 gives me more confidence while selecting him than babar who is a newbie.

Also, Irfan cant play tests. That would be just foolish to do. I would rather have Mir Hamza or Majid Ali. Both excellent young bowlers.

Again, "Irfan can't play Tests".

It all depends upon how he is used. He survived playing Tests in South Africa, he just broke down when he bowled long spells on dead wickets in the UAE.

I will show you hour by hour how you could safely use Mohammad Irfan in the MCG Test if you have the misfortune to lose the toss and bowl first.

FIRST HOUR
Amir 7 overs
Irfan 4 overs, then Wahab Riaz 3 overs

SECOND HOUR
Yasir Shah 7 overs
Wahab Riaz 3 overs, then Hafeez 3 overs

LUNCH

THIRD HOUR
Irfan 4 overs, then Yasir Shah 3 overs
Hafeez 4 overs, then Amir 4 overs

FOURTH HOUR
Yasir Shah 8 overs
Amir 3 overs, then Wahab Riaz 5 overs

TEA at 60 overs

FIFTH HOUR
Hafeez 3 overs, then Yasir Shah 5 overs
Amir 4 overs, then Wahab Riaz 4 overs

FINAL HOUR WITH SECOND NEW BALL
Yasir Shah 3 overs, then Amir 5 overs,
Hafeez 3 overs, then Irfan 4 overs, then Yasir 1 over

Mohammad Amir bowls 23 overs
Mohammad Irfan bowls 12 overs (in 3 x 4 over spells)
Wahab Riaz bowls 15 overs
Yasir Shah bowls 27 overs
Mohammad Hafeez bowls 13 overs

There are two keys to this.

Your fastest bowlers, Mohammad Irfan and Wahab Riaz, bowl only 12 and 15 overs respectively, in short, fast bursts like Mitchell Johnson in 2013-14. But this gives you TWO Mitchell Johnsons.

Your can use Yasir Shah as a stock bowler because he has such an economical, repeatable action.

This is all possible because Hafeez (and/or Azhar Ali) can reliably bowl 13 overs to give everyone else a break.

It's a really good recipe to do well in Australia.

So remind me, why can't Mohammad Irfan bowl 12 overs in a 7 hour day?

 

[DOOSRA95]

How many test Pakistan won in last 20 years v Australia? & how many series in Australia?

 

[Convict]

Sydney won't be the night test.

Hobart, Adelaide and Brisbane are the candidates.

They're not going to much around with Melbourne and Sydney out of principle

 

[zabalestmsm]

Our bowlers are at least better than the likes of Southee, Bracewell, Craig etc!

 

[Convict]

How many test Pakistan won in last 20 years v Australia? & how many series in Australia?

No Asian side has ever won a series in Australia

 

[Junaids]

How many test Pakistan won in last 20 years v Australia? & how many series in Australia?

You're looking at it all wrong. Your are restricting yourself to a period in which fixing reared its ugly head and Wasim and Waqar were in decline and then followed by mediocrities.

Consider this:

1981-82 Australia 2 Pakistan 1
1983-84 Australia 3 Pakistan 0 Drawn 2 (with Pakistan having NO quick bowlers)
1989-90 Australia 1 Pakistan 0 Drawn 2
1995-96 Australia 2 Pakistan 1

My conclusion is that when Pakistan has a quality bowling attack, it can compete in Australia.

Even in 2009-10, you all but won the Sydney Test until Mazhar Majeed according to his own confession fixed it for Australia to win.

 

[DOOSRA95]

I have been watching cricket for a long time , yes Pakistan had many great fast bowlers but their batsman has Always been a major failure against Aussie bowlers & I see no changes in next tour or in future tours.

 

[Usman Chadda]

We will be mauled in Australia. Just do not have the mental strength to compete on their turf.

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[Pete Rose]

The bigger issue is having bowlers that will last three tests. It's a daunting prospect, we are always rubbish in Auatralia. Predicting that we will get smashed is not exactly rocket science. I am more interested in how things go in England. A good tour for our batsmen there will give a huge confidence boost. The only problem that I see is that YK, Misbah, and Hafeez will use up the tour to booted from the team and the guys who come in their place won't get a chance to fill their boots. At the very least they should move Shafiq up to 4 now.

 

[Abdullah]

I don't really rate the Aussie top 7, Smith n warner aside, the fact that the tail can all bat offsets this though I guess.
Its out batting that i am more concerned about.
We have to be ready to fight . There is still a year to go.
I think we can fight to get a drawn series. Need amir yasir n Wahab to take their batting seriously and for azhar n haris to be in the team an d bowling with a lot more control.

 

[Junaids]

I have been watching cricket for a long time , yes Pakistan had many great fast bowlers but their batsman has Always been a major failure against Aussie bowlers & I see no changes in next tour or in future tours.

Except, the 2015-16 tour venues are Melbourne, Sydney and Hobart. The slowest, flattest wickets in Australia!

The risk - massive, massive risk - is taking Younis and Misbah even though they nowadays struggle even in the UAE against pace.

Hafeez might be okay - he once did well on a Pakistan A tour of Australia.

But look at how much better India did in 2014-15 than in 2011-12.

In 2011-12 their geriatric batting legends lacked the reflexes to cope with the (relative) extra pace and bounce.

In 2014-15 the likes of Dhawan and Kohli and Rahane (who are clearly inferior to the previous generation in terms of ability) actually drew 2 of the 4 Tests because they were quicker with their footwork and because their eyes were younger.

A middle order of Azhar Ali, Babar Azam, Umar Akmal and Asad Shafiq has far more hope in Australia than one containing the same geriatric versions of Younis and Misbah who couldn't handle Anderson and Broad with a newish ball in the UAE.

 

[Convict]

Hobart is the one wicket in Australia that even [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] wouldn't call flat

 

[Amjid Javed]

Australia are home are very difficult to beat despite all their struggles away from home, If pakistan manage to avoid a 3-0 series whitewash it will be seen as an achievement, it will be a real tough test of the teams credentials.

 

[Junaids]

Anyone considering sending Misbah and Younis to Australia needs to look at what happened when England took the geriatric versions of Graham Gooch and Mike Gatting to Australia in 1994-95.

Gooch was a very fit 41 year old, who had been a much better batsman than Misbah ever was. He averaged 24.50, the same as pace bowler Darren Gough.

Gatting was a 37 year old. He averaged 20.22.

Australia is the one place in the world where veteran batsmen get found out. They just don't have the eyesight or the reflexes to cope with 6 foot 4 bowlers like Mitch Starc lifting the ball alarmingly from a very full length at 150K.

 

[static]

We can do whatever we want, play who ever we want, we will get hammered. No way we will even draw a test. A whitewash is inevitable.

 

[Junaids]

And this is why you need to bring Irfan out of Test retirement for the Australian tour only....



He is the only guy you've got who can bowl a full length at 145K, get Dave Warner on to the front foot, then hit his glove as he tries to avoid being decapitated.

 

[Junaids]

We can do whatever we want, play who ever we want, we will get hammered. No way we will even draw a test. A whitewash is inevitable.

Rain frequently leads to draws in Australia.

 

[khalil1986]

We will get smashed and besides a few good performances I am expecting a drubbing as this is without a doubt the most difficult place to tour

 

[DOOSRA95]

Australia are home are very difficult to beat despite all their struggles away from home, If pakistan manage to avoid a 3-0 series whitewash it will be seen as an achievement, it will be a real tough test of the teams credentials.

[emoji651][emoji651][emoji651] here here to the points above.
As for Australian pitches apart from the two or three traditional batting surface of Brisbane & Hobart also Adelaide where as rest were quick bouncy pitches, all these bouncy pitches becoming a batting friendly , only due to one team that CA had to accommodate that is India!!
Soon they will turn their traditional bouncy tracks will be back, they need to regain Ashes.

 

[static]

Rain frequently leads to draws in Australia.

unless it rains for 2 days, we still will get hammered.

 

[IndianWillow]

Pakistan has no chance in Australia. Even bowlers like Akhtar and Waqar were slaughtered in Australia. Only Akram and Imran have bowled well in Oz. Pitches are flatter now. While Wahab may trouble the batsmen occasionally, I don't see any team (including SA) putting up a semblance of a fight in Oz at this time.

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan has no chance in Australia. Even bowlers like Akhtar and Waqar were slaughtered in Australia. Only Akram and Imran have bowled well in Oz. Pitches are flatter now. While Wahab may trouble the batsmen occasionally, I don't see any team (including SA) putting up a semblance of a fight in Oz at this time.

There were good reasons why Waqar and Shoaib failed in Australia, and Waqar is well aware of them.

Australia is no place for short, skiddy fast bowlers, and they were 6 foot and 6 foot 1 respectively. They can't get anything like the lift of taller bowlers, so they have huge trouble finding a good length to bowl.

Waqar toured Australia in 89-90, 95-96 and 99-00 and his best spell was actually in his First Test, at the MCG, when he went round the wicket and lifted it into the ribs but from a short length.

Shoaib's error was even worse. He never trained hard enough for the bowling work in Australia, and on both his tours he bowled too fast and too short in his first spell, and each successive spell was slower and shorter because he was tired.

It was notable that at the World Cup this year the attack of Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Irfan and Rahat Ali was what got Pakistan's failing campaign back on track. They are all quick enough and above all tall enough to have a chance of doing better in Australia than Waqar or Shoaib. You know me - I live in the past, but I recognise the value of their height in Australia.

They also have Yasir Shah. The only previous Pakistan touring team to have a top class spinner in form in Australia was when Mushtaq Ahmed played the last two Tests in 95-96.

 

[Saj]

It's usually Pakistan's batsmen that struggle in Australia, generally the bowlers tend to be satisfactory.

 

[Varun]

Sorry to say Pakistan stand zero chance on these pitches.

Even a 0-3 result (3 tests right?) means nothing until Australia improves their decks.

 

[IndianWillow]

There were good reasons why Waqar and Shoaib failed in Australia, and Waqar is well aware of them.

Australia is no place for short, skiddy fast bowlers, and they were 6 foot and 6 foot 1 respectively. They can't get anything like the lift of taller bowlers, so they have huge trouble finding a good length to bowl.

Waqar toured Australia in 89-90, 95-96 and 99-00 and his best spell was actually in his First Test, at the MCG, when he went round the wicket and lifted it into the ribs but from a short length.

Shoaib's error was even worse. He never trained hard enough for the bowling work in Australia, and on both his tours he bowled too fast and too short in his first spell, and each successive spell was slower and shorter because he was tired.

It was notable that at the World Cup this year the attack of Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Irfan and Rahat Ali was what got Pakistan's failing campaign back on track. They are all quick enough and above all tall enough to have a chance of doing better in Australia than Waqar or Shoaib. You know me - I live in the past, but I recognise the value of their height in Australia.

They also have Yasir Shah. The only previous Pakistan touring team to have a top class spinner in form in Australia was when Mushtaq Ahmed played the last two Tests in 95-96.

Marshall, Hadlee and even local guys like Lillee weren't in the 6'4'' category, but they all had outstanding record in Australia. Kapil wasn't very tall by your standards. But even while hunting as a lone wolf he has an exceptional record in Australia. You cannot attribute success to height alone.

 

[Commander]

Riaz to bounce out Smith and Warner in test cricket ) . The delusions I tellya.

He was talking about Riaz and Amir, not any of your Indian trundlers

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He was talking about Riaz and Amir, not any of your Indian trundlers

Yes because Riaz and Amir are gonna bounce out Australian batsman on these flat decks. Chalo i'll agree with you for now. Can't wait for pakistan's away tours to start

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Marshall, Hadlee and even local guys like Lillee weren't in the 6'4'' category, but they all had outstanding record in Australia. Kapil wasn't very tall by your standards. But even while hunting as a lone wolf he has an exceptional record in Australia. You cannot attribute success to height alone.

Lillee and Marshall did not play in an era of big bats,flat pitches and limited bouncers etc. I think Junaids is right. You need 6'5" fast bowlers like Broad/Starc/hazlewood to have a bit of success on these decks.

 

[Bullet Drive]

We are Pakistan. Not some club level team. Riaz on those pitches > any bowler ever played for New Zealand.

 

[Bilal7]

Riaz won't get to bowl to Watson all the time

It was Warner and Clarke that he bounced out. If Watson's going to be that lucky all the time, I'd rather Riaz not face him again.

 

[Bilal7]

We are Pakistan. Not some club level team. Riaz on those pitches > any bowler ever played for New Zealand.

Even Shane Bond and Richard Hadlee? Surely not.

 

[Bilal7]

The Australian tour is a foregone conclusion regardless of what happens NZ. The only thing we can do is try and minimize the thrashing, because a whitewash is inevitable.

A firing Australia is nearly impossible to beat in Australia, and we should be the last team to back ourselves - we have easily been the worst touring team there.

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Three things are guaranteed in life; Death, taxes and Mamoon saying Pakistan is going to lose to whoever their next opponents are.

 

[Mamoon]

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Three things are guaranteed in life; Death, taxes and Mamoon saying Pakistan is going to lose to whoever their next opponents are.

Not in the UAE.

Well I am sure even you'll agree here. Tour of Australia is the toughest in cricket, and we have been very poor there in the last 15 years.