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Lots of threads on India.

Lets talk about Australia.

What different tactics they could have tried?
 
Should had taken out Starc.. for once India did to Aus what usually teams do to us- play new players causing severe damage.

I think they underestimated us in Gabba..
 
Bowl part-timers more to give pacers a break. Pujara tired them out and it allowed others to capitalize.
 
They were playing with two pacers. Lyon was negated by quality Indian batting and Starc leaked runs for fun. Two pacers can be tired out by gritty and resilient batting.
 
Playing Green was a mistake. Australia needed a more potent 5th bowling option and the more positive move would have been to play an extra pacer capable of taking wickets and keeping things tight but that would have required positive, aggressive thinking but sadly Australia after the first test played like a team that was scared of losing.

Also the one weakness that Hazelwood and Cummins have is that they cannot bowl yorkers consistently and cannot reverse swing the ball. Their line and lengths were by and large very predictable. Starc just had a terrible series along with Lyon.

The less said about their batting the better. They are incredibly over dependent on David Warner, Marnus and Steve Smith and it showed big time in this series.

I am also puzzled by the failure of the Australian Batsmen and Australian coaching staff to come up with counter measures against India's bowling tactics and field placements in this series. For the Indian pacers to be flawlessly using the same tactics from the first test match to the last clearly indicates that the coaching staff was at a loss on how to respond.

Lastly Tim Paine has definately played his last test match for Australia. You can only allow a passenger to captain you for so long and even more inexcusable for that passenger to drop crucial catches, miss crucial stumpings causing his team vital games.
 
Bowl part-timers more to give pacers a break. Pujara tired them out and it allowed others to capitalize.

They didn't even bowl Green enough.

I think they over did the short stuff. This Indian team isnt scared of short pitch stuff.
 
Should have dropped Starc after Sydney. Playing the same set of pacers for 2 back to back tests over 4 long innings took its toll especially in hot humid Brisbane
 
Should had taken out Starc.. for once India did to Aus what usually teams do to us- play new players causing severe damage.

I think they underestimated us in Gabba..

When a team wins in the manner AUS did at Adelaide, cracks can get glossed over.

If the call to drop Starc had to come then it should have come earlier in the series and not at the final Test at Brisbane. By the time Gabba arrived there was not much point in tinkering with an AUS formula that has more or less worked over the years.

And the reason they did not drop him earlier was that after Adelaide AUS were riding high on the feeling that all components in their bowling were functioning well.

Simply put, they were expecting IND to exercise the same lack of application as IND did in Adelaide and roll over meekly. Thankfully IND fought for every run from that point forth and AUS, who are known for outlasting tourists in the attritional game their country/pitches demand, started wilting.

Hypothetically speaking, if Melbourne or Sydney had been the first two Tests (with the same result), Starc may well have been dropped for Adelaide and/or Gabba. But this is moving into the realms of speculation which I am loathe to fuel at any level.

AUS played their best available unit and so did IND. IND won and the beauty of the win is something I kept alluding to in some match threads as the ‘repeatable’ nature: AUS is arguably the country in SENA which lends itself most, comparatively speaking, to formulaic tactics and attritional cricket. IND batsmen were far better at avoiding soft dismissals and IND bowlers far better at not giving the freebies AUS usually grind their opponents into providing after a session or two. IND outthought and outlasted AUS and there is no way in hell even the most deluded of PP posters can call this a one-off, given the style in which they won.
 
Bowl at the stumps more than bowl at the back of a length for most part. Not sure what percentage of all of their deliveries throughout the series were hitting the stumps in comparison to series against other teams who they have beaten at home.

Maybe move on from Nathan Lyon now as a spinner that you rely on to win you games on day 5. He has failed on two day 5s which I think is unacceptable
 
They didn't even bowl Green enough.

I think they over did the short stuff. This Indian team isnt scared of short pitch stuff.

Yes, Aus did not bowl green. Cummins and Hazlewood were very tired by the end. A bit extra from them might have given a different outcome.

It a brilliantly planned chase here. They made sure that India can't lose the test but kept the win within reach.
 
They did everything they possibly could, we outplayed them in batting, bowling, tactics and field-placing. Nothing they could have done would have stopped us from winning this series.
 
When a team wins in the manner AUS did at Adelaide, cracks can get glossed over.

If the call to drop Starc had to come then it should have come earlier in the series and not at the final Test at Brisbane. By the time Gabba arrived there was not much point in tinkering with an AUS formula that has more or less worked over the years.

And the reason they did not drop him earlier was that after Adelaide AUS were riding high on the feeling that all components in their bowling were functioning well.

Simply put, they were expecting IND to exercise the same lack of application as IND did in Adelaide and roll over meekly. Thankfully IND fought for every run from that point forth and AUS, who are known for outlasting tourists in the attritional game their country/pitches demand, started wilting.

Hypothetically speaking, if Melbourne or Sydney had been the first two Tests (with the same result), Starc may well have been dropped for Adelaide and/or Gabba. But this is moving into the realms of speculation which I am loathe to fuel at any level.

AUS played their best available unit and so did IND. IND won and the beauty of the win is something I kept alluding to in some match threads as the ‘repeatable’ nature: AUS is arguably the country in SENA which lends itself most, comparatively speaking, to formulaic tactics and attritional cricket. IND batsmen were far better at avoiding soft dismissals and IND bowlers far better at not giving the freebies AUS usually grind their opponents into providing after a session or two. IND outthought and outlasted AUS and there is no way in hell even the most deluded of PP posters can call this a one-off, given the style in which they won.

As an Indian fan and considering the team has been underachieving since 2013 CT,(except 2018 Aus) this was nice to hear.

Am glad Gabba was last - a fortress so proud the Aussies were of.
 
They just panicked. After Melbourne, it became like an avalanche - the pressure to win against an Indian side that was leaking an increasing number of holes by the day. At Sydney you could see the nervousness when Pant and Pujara were going.

The fear of the impossible failure ultimately consumed them.
 
Can anyone pull out how many successful and unsuccessful reviews the teams had?

Esp at Sydney and Brisbane?
 
They didn't even bowl Green enough.

I think they over did the short stuff. This Indian team isnt scared of short pitch stuff.

With short bowling there are usually two options. Either your proper batsmen will take it on or wear some blows. In IND’s case, apart from injuring some bowlers it did not do much else.

Some batsmen took it on during parts of the game others wore it on. AUS do not quite go at short stuff like Wagner where they expect the short ball to also be the regular wicket taking delivery with 3 or more men on the fence. They usually use it to soften the batsmen up and then go for the corridor/length bowling to have batsmen poking without feet movement.

IND were far too smart, far too patient, far too aware of their offstump and frankly, had far better batsmen technically speaking. Basically this meant IND avoided soft dismissals that most other teams (ode to my beloved PAK here) do not. AUS only have Plan A in AUS. Partly due to the bowling attack composition for AUS and partly due to their pitches. They do not really have much of a fall back if oppositions actually fight and apply themselves.

The more cerebral team with faith in their strategy and ability to dynamically execute their tactics won. The better team won. And the victory was sweeter because they finally brought to life the blueprint for playing in AUS.
 
Maybe move on from Nathan Lyon now as a spinner that you rely on to win you games on day 5. He has failed on two day 5s which I think is unacceptable

You are talking about as if Lyon is some halwa bowler and his replacements are readily available, lol. Lyon gave his all, you probably didn't see the match. Pujara and Pant were just too good, Pujara is a battle hardened veteran but Pant, despite his overall lack of experience, the way he manipulated Aussie filed setting while countering Lyon was absolutely magnificent. There is absolutely no way Lyon or anyone could have changed the outcome today. He is still the best spinner in Aus and one of the best in the world, he is going nowhere.
 
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IMO, Warner was too soft against this Indian team... probably due to many Indian players being friends with him because of IPL and also to gain more indian followers on TikTok...CA should look into this matter.

Smith intentionally underperformed so that Paine can be thrown out of the team and he can become captain again.

These two are the main reason for the loss.

If he is made captain again, Australia is going to be back on track.... simple.
 
Dropping catches is unaustralian. Their fielding lost them the series. Paine's misses in the Sydney test and the stumping miss of Pant at Gabba is why we have a 2-1 scorelines in favor of India.

Starc was in pain and was injured. It was stupid to play him. Warner seemed undercooked as well.

Finally, Mathew Wade? Really? Isn't there a better batsman in entire Australia than him? He was the difference between par and above par Aussie totals. These made a huge difference at the end.
 
Paine is such a choker. Bottles tactics under pressure - here and at Headingley 2019.
 
As an Indian fan and considering the team has been underachieving since 2013 CT,(except 2018 Aus) this was nice to hear.

Am glad Gabba was last - a fortress so proud the Aussies were of.

Ignore the trolls on PP. There is distinction between a rivalry where you want your competitors to lose regardless of everything to cope with your own failings and one where you isolate your own shortcomings and look to work on them regardless of what/how the opposition is doing.

Thankfully enough sane heads on the Western side of Radcliffe’s fanciful demarcation to know that living through another person’s/team’s loss is denial of the saddest possible degree.

Lastly, have grown old but failed to see how anyone can root for the crass, vulgar, crude “style” of AUS cricket.
 
IMO, Warner was too soft against this Indian team... probably due to many Indian players being friends with him because of IPL and also to gain more indian followers on TikTok...CA should look into this matter.

Smith intentionally underperformed so that Paine can be thrown out of the team and he can become captain again.

These two are the main reason for the loss.

If he is made captain again, Australia is going to be back on track.... simple.

Is Republic TV still broadcasting? Turn it off.

Warner is possibly the only one who can be exempted given he played the last one under an injury cloud and may still not have been 100%. Or do you mean in terms of sledging? If sledging, then AUS are trapped between a rock and a hard place. Have posted many times on different threads but expect this mask to slip at some point because their style of winning is the usual boorish, in your face stuff. And they used to immediately go for it when oppositions mounted any challenge. Now, post Sandpaper, their focus on values has forced them to keep Mum. We got a glimpse of the face at SYD but it was picked up and shut out. They lost much more politely at Gabba in the most un-Australian manner. Something may well have to give.

Smith is not Wasim/Waqar with Paine being the other one.
 
Paine's performance as WK and captain was poor. Attack from Indian batsmen made Paine to go defensive too early.

In terms of selection I think they dropped Head a bit too early and replaced him with Wade who might have been decent in domestics but, isnt a specialist batsman to open with or play at no 5. Further Starc should have been dropped after the 3rd match where he was unable to take a single top order wicket and looked to be struggling.
 
Poor tactics from Paine. He let Starc operate despite him being ineffective. He did not use Green at all as an option. Green with his height and with the cracks on the pitch could have been a tricky bowler on this surface. And he could have provided.much needed rest for main bowlers.

And then when Rishabh Pant came to bat, Paine did not keep a single close in fielder to him against Lyon. Also long on and long off were put in place. Pant is not like Afridi who goes slogging from ball one, and Pant used this field to just knock the ball around and get into rhythm. It looked like Aussies were afraid of Pant and wanted him not to score runs quickly, even if at the cost of letting him stay at crease. How badly that backfired!!
 
You are talking about as if Lyon is some halwa bowler and his replacements are readily available, lol. Lyon gave his all, you probably didn't see the match. Pujara and Pant were just too good, Pujara is a battle hardened veteran but Pant, despite his overall lack of experience, the way he manipulated Aussie filed setting while countering Lyon was absolutely magnificent. There is absolutely no way Lyon or anyone could have changed the outcome today. He is still the best spinner in Aus and one of the best in the world, he is going nowhere.

Pant rode his luck as well with numerous misses of big spinning deliveries, a missed stumping, two miscues which didn't go to the fielder but credited to him for forcing Paine to be defensive. But it was remarkable also to see pant take his time, be less predictable, he would take one big swipe after like 4-5 overs which confused the Australian captain and Lyon on what his exact intentions were and were to place the fielders.

This was a determined Indian side which planned very well and as the saying goes if you fail to plan, you plan to fail
 
Pant rode his luck as well with numerous misses of big spinning deliveries, a missed stumping, two miscues which didn't go to the fielder but credited to him for forcing Paine to be defensive. But it was remarkable also to see pant take his time, be less predictable, he would take one big swipe after like 4-5 overs which confused the Australian captain and Lyon on what his exact intentions were and were to place the fielders.

This was a determined Indian side which planned very well and as the saying goes if you fail to plan, you plan to fail

Agree with this observation. Pant was not batting mindlessly. He took risks from time to time and batted safely the rest of the time. Aus was not sure about intention and they were in two minds.

I would have attacked Pant more, but I am sure he would have played his shots anyway. At least you create more chances. It was very hard for Ind to not win if Pant was going to bat till the end. The goal should have been to get him out even if you give 20 runs.


But it's easy to say me from the sidelines. Aus surely planned and did their best.
 
Aussies batting was to dependant on smith and labu. Picking players like wade in top 6 was a bad move. Some of the other batsmen coming in werent great either, Aussies next gen of batting doesnt look great.

Paine as captain and keeper needs to go. Starcs poor form means he should have been dropped aswell.
 
But it was remarkable also to see pant take his time, be less predictable, he would take one big swipe after like 4-5 overs which confused the Australian captain and Lyon on what his exact intentions were and were to place the fielders.

Exactly this. They were expecting Pant to go all gun blazing from ball one and throw it away, but he showed immense maturity and he waited till a loss seemed unlikely and went at it with full force only when the target was within reach. Fortune favored the Pant. Unreal determination and intelligence was on display today.
 
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I feel the over hype and the atmosphere that was created and heard repeatedly from the former Australian cricketers on Fox commentary following the 36 debacle to India at Adelaide must have had some change in the attitude and mindset of this current bowling attack who were labelled an ATG Australian attack and come Sydney and then Brisbane the same former players where asking for questions about what went wrong with this so called ATG attack which failed consecutively twice on a home day 5 pitch unable to bowl the opposition out

IMO this current attack took things for granted after bowling Indian batsmen out for 36 at Adelaide and they were simply not up and ready for that challenge and competitiveness that was shown by this Indian batting also added to their failure to perform at Sydney and then Brisbane on a Day 5 pitch

One could really see from the way the Australian captain reacted at Sydney after Australia failed to win that match and were clearly blown away from the fight back that the Indian batsmen showed on that Day 5 at Sydney which clearly impacted the self-belief in that attack they had after that 36 incident.

To put it simply this Australian attack was just not ready to accept that Indian batsmen after 36 incident were ready and could compete and come on top of whatever best they could give to the Indian batsmen on the field.

Batting wise I think Australia actually did well and set up target twice at Sydney and Brisbane but it was the so over hyped ATG Australian attack that failed them IMO
 
They should have replaced Starc with Pattinson for the Gabba finale. He is similiar to Cummins.
 
Let's not kid ourselves, this Australian attack would have demolished any other team at home ie England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Pakistan etc.

India just have the perfect formula to neutralize their bowlers, it's a mental block as well, Australia after the Melbourne fight back just stopped believing in themselves that they could beat this Indian side and sorted to extremely defensive, desperate not to lose cricket and it showed with their tactics, field placements
 
Those criticizing the Australian bowlers need to think again. Even a weak Pakistani batting line up put on three consecutive scores of 300 plus against this invincible bowling attack as home.

Yasir Shah of all people scored a century against this bowling attack. The biggest factor in my view behind India's success has been their bowling attacks strategy and successful planning which caused the Australians to score at such an uncharacteristic slow run rate, Australia did not cross 400 at all in this series and they would actually score 500-600 runs plus for fun against most teams therefore giving their bowlers the freedom to attack relentlessly, this was not the case this time as they just did not have enough runs to play with in this series
 
Dropping catches is unaustralian. Their fielding lost them the series. Paine's misses in the Sydney test and the stumping miss of Pant at Gabba is why we have a 2-1 scorelines in favor of India.

Starc was in pain and was injured. It was stupid to play him. Warner seemed undercooked as well.

Finally, Mathew Wade? Really? Isn't there a better batsman in entire Australia than him? He was the difference between par and above par Aussie totals. These made a huge difference at the end.

Pant was lucky that few misfits didn’t carry to the fielders.. but that stumping chance was not a chance.. did you see the bounce and how high it was for paine to collect .. did you see how fast pant grounded the bat..

If you see the replays you know even if paine collected the ball cleanly .. still pant would have survived as he grounded the bat in a split second..
 
Lmao at greatest Australia attack, McGrath,Warne and Gillespie are miles better.
 
IMO, Warner was too soft against this Indian team... probably due to many Indian players being friends with him because of IPL and also to gain more indian followers on TikTok...CA should look into this matter.

Smith intentionally underperformed so that Paine can be thrown out of the team and he can become captain again.

These two are the main reason for the loss.

If he is made captain again, Australia is going to be back on track.... simple.

Ni troll edite vundo..
 
Through out the series they were playing with two bowlers, Llyon failed spectacularly to deliver the goods despite bowling last. Decision to carry so many passengers also back fired, why were they playing green who its clear cant take wickets against good batting line ups they did not even bowl him enough.

Decision to stick with tried and tested failure did not help matters. They urgently need to give captaincy back to smith and build the team around him or they will lose many more series at home
 
Dropping catches is unaustralian. Their fielding lost them the series. Paine's misses in the Sydney test and the stumping miss of Pant at Gabba is why we have a 2-1 scorelines in favor of India.

Starc was in pain and was injured. It was stupid to play him. Warner seemed undercooked as well.

Finally, Mathew Wade? Really? Isn't there a better batsman in entire Australia than him? He was the difference between par and above par Aussie totals. These made a huge difference at the end.

dropping cathes can't be the reason Indian team too dropped many catches, Labu gets two/ three lifes in almost every innings of his in the series, Imagine all catches were held it should have been over pretty early.
 
Cut back to Dec 19, 2020.

India and Australia were playing attritional cricket. Suddenly one freakish session happened where every good ball produced a nick and was pouched! Result? An unbelievable 36* (for nine technically but let us say all out because that is what is the norm). A vanquished visitor v/s a cock a hoop host riding high on accolades and experts predicting dooms day.

This is where the thinking changed. India had nothing to lose and knew that they had reached rock bottom and the only way they could go from there was up. It freed up their minds and made them play without an iota of pressure.

Australia? They started believing in the hype, and expected the visitors to roll over and play dead. They thought 4-0 was a formality. Complacency crept in. Result? The visitors take a significant first innings lead. This was totally unexpected. "Oh, so you guys are playing smart? We will show you who we are!" thought the hosts and tried showing some spunk, but kept losing wickets...slowly panic starts to creep in and they are 6 down for 100. The lower orders spunk sorts of bail them out from embarrassment, but it still is not enough to deny defeat.

The visitors are buoyed now. They now believe that one freakish session doesn't define the quality of their team and start punching above their weight despite losing out on tosses and personnel. The replacements not just hit the ground running, but also show character backed by performances. The captain feels the pressure, starts running his mouth. The visitors reply in kind and back it with performances. Morons in the crowd think that they are disintegrating the visitors and helping the home team. This steels the resolve even more and the supposedly "world's leading pace attack" is ground to the surface by two half fit men with an "over my dead body" attitude. More panic in the host camp who believed 4-0 was just a formality!

Then comes the gabbatoir where supposed "net bowlers" are lined up by the visitors due to lack of resources. But now the "net bowlers" have metamorphed into battle hardened service men because of the sledging both in the field and outside, the performances of their own mates who are putting limbs on the line. "You can break our bones, not our will" is what they think! The result , a 123 run partnership by two rookies with the #8 playing cover drives and hook shots that would make a top order bat drool. The rest is history!

So at the end of the day, the 36 * which was a supposed, insurmountable weakness became a strength and the hosts who believed in their supposed superiority were surrounded by the quick sands of complacency and the weight of the expectations from their own people which they were not able to fulfill.

Fascinating! How the tables had turned is a fitting fable!!
 
I cant think of anything they could have done better tactically. India simply showed a lot more resolve and grit after Adelaide. Australia are used to blasting teams aside at home. I think they were a little nervous looking at the way even our net/reserve bowlers just kept at it session after session and the way it batsmen just refused to be bullied
 
Cut back to Dec 19, 2020.

India and Australia were playing attritional cricket. Suddenly one freakish session happened where every good ball produced a nick and was pouched! Result? An unbelievable 36* (for nine technically but let us say all out because that is what is the norm). A vanquished visitor v/s a cock a hoop host riding high on accolades and experts predicting dooms day.

This is where the thinking changed. India had nothing to lose and knew that they had reached rock bottom and the only way they could go from there was up. It freed up their minds and made them play without an iota of pressure.

Australia? They started believing in the hype, and expected the visitors to roll over and play dead. They thought 4-0 was a formality. Complacency crept in. Result? The visitors take a significant first innings lead. This was totally unexpected. "Oh, so you guys are playing smart? We will show you who we are!" thought the hosts and tried showing some spunk, but kept losing wickets...slowly panic starts to creep in and they are 6 down for 100. The lower orders spunk sorts of bail them out from embarrassment, but it still is not enough to deny defeat.

The visitors are buoyed now. They now believe that one freakish session doesn't define the quality of their team and start punching above their weight despite losing out on tosses and personnel. The replacements not just hit the ground running, but also show character backed by performances. The captain feels the pressure, starts running his mouth. The visitors reply in kind and back it with performances. Morons in the crowd think that they are disintegrating the visitors and helping the home team. This steels the resolve even more and the supposedly "world's leading pace attack" is ground to the surface by two half fit men with an "over my dead body" attitude. More panic in the host camp who believed 4-0 was just a formality!

Then comes the gabbatoir where supposed "net bowlers" are lined up by the visitors due to lack of resources. But now the "net bowlers" have metamorphed into battle hardened service men because of the sledging both in the field and outside, the performances of their own mates who are putting limbs on the line. "You can break our bones, not our will" is what they think! The result , a 123 run partnership by two rookies with the #8 playing cover drives and hook shots that would make a top order bat drool. The rest is history!

So at the end of the day, the 36 * which was a supposed, insurmountable weakness became a strength and the hosts who believed in their supposed superiority were surrounded by the quick sands of complacency and the weight of the expectations from their own people which they were not able to fulfill.

Fascinating! How the tables had turned is a fitting fable!!
And the funny think is no indian fan will feel bad when they think of 36 as it doesn't matter now.
 
And the funny think is no indian fan will feel bad when they think of 36 as it doesn't matter now.

Yeah thank GOd for that , I thought we will only be trying new guys which is good for cricket lol no one expected this
 
Batting experience

Lots of threads on India.

Lets talk about Australia.

What different tactics they could have tried?

Australia could have considered seasoned batsmen like Usman Khawaja and Shaun Marsh instead of Burns/head. Instead of Green have Moises henriques. rotated Pattinson for a couple of tests with Starc. Play Zampa instead of Lyon.
 
I think it also invites the debate as to whether a team should continue playing in a one dimensional traditional manner regardless of the match situation

I remember a test match bw India and South Africa in South Africa in 2013 where India set South Africa 458 runs to win and ABD played a blistering knock and all of a sudden Dhoni realized that India could actually lose this game.

He changed the entire Indian approach where he kept fielders on the boundary and he instructed the Indian pacers to just bowl wide outside the offstump. In the end he succeeded in slowing down the run rate, the proteas rhythm got disturbed, SA lost a few quick wickets in the process, they decided to shut up shot and they ended up falling 8 runs short of the target. But Dhoni and the bowlers did what they had to do to prevent losing that game.
 
The more I think about it, the more it comes down to the boffins over at the CA prioritizing the dollar (read: BBL) over the Shield.

How does it make sense that everything comes to a halt in the peak of summer for a third rate T20 competition?

And the batting cupboard is bare. We know what's going to happen when the lesser teams visit - it's why we are left scratching our heads when batsmen like Head fail when they are most needed but they average 40 on the back of pounding Sri Lanka.

The selectors and CA better take a long hard look at themselves.
 
Those criticizing the Australian bowlers need to think again. Even a weak Pakistani batting line up put on three consecutive scores of 300 plus against this invincible bowling attack as home.

Yasir Shah of all people scored a century against this bowling attack. The biggest factor in my view behind India's success has been their bowling attacks strategy and successful planning which caused the Australians to score at such an uncharacteristic slow run rate, Australia did not cross 400 at all in this series and they would actually score 500-600 runs plus for fun against most teams therefore giving their bowlers the freedom to attack relentlessly, this was not the case this time as they just did not have enough runs to play with in this series

I have a slightly different opinion on this. In fact, I think it may well be perceived as a ‘hot take’.

As much as Cummins was the bowler of the series and as much as IND took 20 wickets regularly I would actually start with fixing AUS batting. Sure you do not win Test matches due to your batting, but you can certainly lose them due to it. And I feel they have too many passengers in the side.

As much as some bowlers from each side stood out, I am just not a believer in the idea that many sides/bowlers will be able to take 20 wickets in a repeatable manner on these AUS pitches/conditions without batsmen playing false shots/having lapses/soft dismissals. Batting is as much about concentration and controlling the controllables as it as about “talent” (i.e. stroke making/hand eye coordination). In absence of elaborate movement or elaborate bounce, the likelihood of waiting for an “unplayable” one is lower than in SEN (comparatively).

Due to this (I posted this on another thread) the % of controllables is higher in AUS (for able batsmen willing to apply themselves). In other words, playing the long game and being circumspect about attacking works better. Further, the pitches have just enough bounce and pace that scoring is easy once set with small margins for error which AUS feast on when touring teams arrive and lose the discipline after a session or two and go searching for wickets (10/10 to IND in not giving any width to AUS).

Full marks to IND that they made sure to bowl tight to AUS. But AUS too, in absence of freebies, should have looked to bat north of 100 overs and tire IND bowlers (which they partly did and it kind of showed in the injuries column). Their technical prowess in regards to batting, some selection choices and an inability to cope with large barren periods without much runs contrasted with the “boring” cricket IND were willing to play more frequently.

Have said it too many times now already on various threads but again, AUS like to outlast and exhaust their oppositions in AUS through tireless attritional cricket, the “reputation” of playing in AUS, the crowd and the decadent sledges/in your face style.

IND showed the benefits of being fully prepared to play the long game. They were happy to reel in their shots and also bowl hard lengths instead of going searching for wickets through “magic” deliveries. The result was an extremely frustrated AUS side second-guessing itself and a palpably flustered set of commentators. And finally, when the time came, IND showed their stroke making ability.

On a side note, I would not want to be a budding 17/18 year old fast bowler in AUS right now. I tip my hat to Cummins, but I would not want to go through this kind of toil to just keep my side in the game. The pitches really need to change if the AUS team do not want other tourists to start trying to take steps to emulate the blueprint of avoiding soft dismissals through attritional cricket.

In some sense, IND did better cycling through a few different bowlers even though it was borne out of necessity. Do not think this series has been kind on the bowlers for AUS and would likely have resulted in injuries to IND side too had Ishant/Shami played as many given their age/injury record (Bumrah, Yadav and Saini already went down). A subliminal message here could be to pack a larger squad for future AUS tours (for all tourists) with more than just 2-3 key pacers and rotate them.

TL;DR just do not think these conditions are great for taking 20 wickets in a repeatable and predictable without lapses from batsmen.
 
I think it also invites the debate as to whether a team should continue playing in a one dimensional traditional manner regardless of the match situation

I remember a test match bw India and South Africa in South Africa in 2013 where India set South Africa 458 runs to win and ABD played a blistering knock and all of a sudden Dhoni realized that India could actually lose this game.

He changed the entire Indian approach where he kept fielders on the boundary and he instructed the Indian pacers to just bowl wide outside the offstump. In the end he succeeded in slowing down the run rate, the proteas rhythm got disturbed, SA lost a few quick wickets in the process, they decided to shut up shot and they ended up falling 8 runs short of the target. But Dhoni and the bowlers did what they had to do to prevent losing that game.

Yup. Steyn and Philander were at the crease and Steyn was itching to go for it. Finally, he was allowed to go for it on the last ball. Think he hit Ishant or Shami for 6 to make a point on the last ball of the game.

Paine was going for the win. But feel that had it not been pressure of AUS’ legacy captains he would have gone for draw with 80 off 17 required. After that it was too late as one or two overs changed it. Even 9 men on the rope could not have prevented it later when it came to 3-4 an over.
 
dropping cathes can't be the reason Indian team too dropped many catches, Labu gets two/ three lifes in almost every innings of his in the series, Imagine all catches were held it should have been over pretty early.

Indians drop a lot of catches. Aussies usually don't. The mistakes from Australia cost them the games at crucial junctures. Kudos to the young Indians for being able to capitalize on it
 
If Aussies could not beat this injured stricken inexperienced side in there own backyard, there is nothing to say. Aussies have to accept that they are not that good.
 
Aus failed to capitalize on their advantage. They should've put the brakes on Thakur-Washington parterneship.

India 'C' has something to prove to their management.
 
Australia apparently thought they would win the series easily after adelaide. Got complacent, India kept punching them and in the final test KO'd them.

Labuschagne was the only consistent batter for Aus. Without him, Aus kept folding out like house of cards.
Smith had a weird low intensity series for some reason. Lacked the intensity even during his century.

Starc wasn't dropped even when he was taken apart by India for the first 3 tests. I would have even brought Pattinson in for the 3rd test. Need to keep them on their feet especially when you have a bowler like Pattinson on the bench.
 
Fielded a better batting line up, say what you like but fact is this Aussie team folded and lost 20 wickets to a India D bowling attack.

Playing Green was a mistake. Australia needed a more potent 5th bowling option and the more positive move would have been to play an extra pacer capable of taking wickets and keeping things tight but that would have required positive, aggressive thinking but sadly Australia after the first test played like a team that was scared of losing.

Also the one weakness that Hazelwood and Cummins have is that they cannot bowl yorkers consistently and cannot reverse swing the ball. Their line and lengths were by and large very predictable. Starc just had a terrible series along with Lyon.

The less said about their batting the better. They are incredibly over dependent on David Warner, Marnus and Steve Smith and it showed big time in this series.

I am also puzzled by the failure of the Australian Batsmen and Australian coaching staff to come up with counter measures against India's bowling tactics and field placements in this series. For the Indian pacers to be flawlessly using the same tactics from the first test match to the last clearly indicates that the coaching staff was at a loss on how to respond.

Lastly Tim Paine has definately played his last test match for Australia. You can only allow a passenger to captain you for so long and even more inexcusable for that passenger to drop crucial catches, miss crucial stumpings causing his team vital games.
I don't rate Green, he's not ready for international cricket.

The more I think about it, the more it comes down to the boffins over at the CA prioritizing the dollar (read: BBL) over the Shield.

How does it make sense that everything comes to a halt in the peak of summer for a third rate T20 competition?

And the batting cupboard is bare. We know what's going to happen when the lesser teams visit - it's why we are left scratching our heads when batsmen like Head fail when they are most needed but they average 40 on the back of pounding Sri Lanka.

The selectors and CA better take a long hard look at themselves.
Looking at some of the batting talent in Aus, they're going to have a rough transition once Smith and Warner go.
 
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Ok here's my list:

1. Lyon was a bit too uni-dimensional.

a. Such players can look pointless when things aren't working. Should have come around the wicket more. I was so worried he would do that in Sydney but he didn't do it often enough.

b. He didn't bowl wide of off stump in Sydney to Pant and when he did, it was a bit too late. He changed his plan for Gabba but Pant came prepared for it.

c. He kept long off in place to force Pant to hole out. Only when he removed that fielder, Pant tried to go for it, only for Paine to miss a stumping chance. He should have opened up the field and tossed it up on off side more. The point isn't about this one strategy but it's that you need to try multiple ways to give batsman an opening to get their wickets.

2. Should have dropped Starc and gone for a different pacer.

That guy is a weak team, tailender and pink ball test bully.

They thought he will fire in Gabba and unfortunately he didn't.

3. Should have gone for 5 bowlers so intensity doesn't drop.

Self explanatory.

I remember back in 2014....the amount of backlash I faced from Indian and Pakistani fans here when suggesting 5 bowlers.

It took a while for the fans here to get around to it.

India has been practicing this concept since 2015 (thanks to Kohli) with the exception of Aus series in 2018.

Aussies should have realized post Sydney that they need a quality 5th bowler at all costs and gone for it.

4. Should have used Marnus Labuchayne more with the ball.

He was bowling pretty decent in Sydney tho he didn't do well here.

He bowls in the good length and spins it.

Just a delivery or two spinning more and it would take the edge.

Not only would he give a breather to pacers but he could have broken some partnership with his rhythm change.

5. Should have focused more on the corridor bowling than mindless bouncers like others have said.

It takes more energy to bowl bouncers.

And any tactic over-used (be it doosra or bouncer or yorker or around the wicket) becomes a weakness.

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Had Aussies done this, chances are very very high they would have won the series.

All they needed was just a wicket or two on the last day and it was game over.

But since they went with their proven formula and proven approach without taking into account the changed circumstances, they are paying the price.

This was a winnable series for them.
 
Looking at some of the batting talent in Aus, they're going to have a rough transition once Smith and Warner go.

Actually, even with both present it is quite clear that they need both to fire instead of just one. Without Warner giving the impetus at the top of the order, AUS just do not have winds in their sails.

Smith/Labuachagne can have a good series but normally one batsman is not enough to save a whole Test Series. Smith in the Ashes was a truly one off situation. Cannot expect that to happen all the time. An example would be Kohli in ENG in 2018. He had a big series but the scoreline would suggest something else.

Bottomline is that the batting talent AUS has at its disposal is pretty light. Technically and temperamentally deficient. They may as well get on the phone with Asad Shafiq’s (Marsh and Khawaja) for their soft and consistent 30-40 runs. Wade, Harris and Paine are mere passengers.
 
Plus Aus didn't bowl negative lines in the final day.

Had they done it, they could have snuffed out our chances.

But then a draw against this depleted Indian team is like a loss.

They chased victory (with poor strategies) and lost.

Plus Paine's field placings and captaincy was poor.
 
Actually, even with both present it is quite clear that they need both to fire instead of just one. Without Warner giving the impetus at the top of the order, AUS just do not have winds in their sails.

Smith/Labuachagne can have a good series but normally one batsman is not enough to save a whole Test Series. Smith in the Ashes was a truly one off situation. Cannot expect that to happen all the time. An example would be Kohli in ENG in 2018. He had a big series but the scoreline would suggest something else.

Bottomline is that the batting talent AUS has at its disposal is pretty light. Technically and temperamentally deficient. They may as well get on the phone with Asad Shafiq’s (Marsh and Khawaja) for their soft and consistent 30-40 runs. Wade, Harris and Paine are mere passengers.

To be fair, Harris is only a place-holder for Will Pucowski ( seems to be extremely injury prone). Wade & Paine are the 2 passengers in this team though & only one of them should be playing as wicketkeeper/batsman at all points of time.
 
To be fair, Harris is only a place-holder for Will Pucowski ( seems to be extremely injury prone). Wade & Paine are the 2 passengers in this team though & only one of them should be playing as wicketkeeper/batsman at all points of time.

I get that but the fact that their debutant outshone their veteran with ease, not to mention that Harris was the one who started in the 1st Test, speaks about the line-up they have assembled.

The fact is that Marsh, Head and Khawaja just did not come good to the extent AUS standards demand. Which meant that AUS were found looking at quite a few “sunk costs”. Had Smith not had a concussion there is a small chance that Labuschagne may not have played for a few more games/series.
 
I would not write off Aus based on one test series.

They have 5 players in the top 10 rank. The best bowler and the best batsman in test cricket are playing from Aus. It's not their terminal decline or anything like that.

Aus will do fine. Let's see how others do in Aus. Who toured Aus before the Indian team? This series was a 'freak' result and shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about Aus.
 
Lots of threads on India.

Lets talk about Australia.

What different tactics they could have tried?
Selection.

After the home series defeat to South Africa n 2016-17 they dumped veterans like Voges and moved to a younger generation - Renshaw, Handscomb and Maddinson.

The team was literally rejuvenated, with one 30 year old and 10 players in their twenties.

Only ATG teams - think Australia 15 years ago - win without a core of players in their twenties.

The team based around Warner-Smith-Paine-Cummins-Starc-Lyon-Hazlewood is not in that class - they were stuffed out of sight in South Africa three years ago.

But they have been allowed to age together, with only Labuschagne, Harris and Green picked in their twenties at all. And even Harris is only there because Burns is out of form.

The move to Pucovski and Green’s generation is too little, too late.

In fact, in the case of Green his bowling has been exposed and he really should be batting in the Top Five, with 29 year old Mitchell Marsh as the all-rounder.

Perhaps Alex Carey is the ultimate symbol of failure. He’s supposedly the next keeper in line. Yet he is about to reach the age of 30 - which almost matches his lifetime red ball batting average.
 
I would not write off Aus based on one test series.

They have 5 players in the top 10 rank. The best bowler and the best batsman in test cricket are playing from Aus. It's not their terminal decline or anything like that.

Aus will do fine. Let's see how others do in Aus. Who toured Aus before the Indian team? This series was a 'freak' result and shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about Aus.

Makes our victory even sweeter considering the rankings of their players, irrespective don’t think anyone would underestimate Aus.
 
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What could Australia have done differently?:
1. Attacked more till required runs was over 80. More close-in fielders in attacking positions. They just did not show any intent to get Pant out. Very defensive field placing against him with just one customary slip.
2. Not overuse short bowling. Bowl a little slower to get any possible swing.
3. Once the target was within 80 runs or so, they should have gone defensive with negative tactics to save the game. They should not have bowled Lyon conventionally in the 15+ run over against Pant.
 
Makes our victory even sweeter considering the rankings of their players, irrespective don’t think anyone would underestimate Aus.

I was wrong about 5 players. Aus has 6 players in the top 10 ranks.

Smith - 2nd rank
Labu - 4th rank
Warner - 10th rank

Cummins - 1st rank
Josh - 5th rank
Starc - 8th rank



Anyone talking about Aus not having a gun team is simply missing the point. Aus has a gun team and they will thrash pretty much all teams at home. The young Indian team just played a cracking cricket to win series in Aus. This result does not make a team having 6 players among the top 10 an ordinary team.

Sometimes you just have to give credit to the other team to play outstanding cricket and move on.
 
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I was wrong about 5 players. Aus has 6 players in the top 10 ranks.

Smith - 2nd rank
Labu - 4th rank
Warner - 10th rank

Cummins - 1st rank
Josh - 5th rank
Starc - 8th rank



Anyone talking about Aus not having a gun team is simply missing the point. Aus has a gun team and they will thrash pretty much all teams at home. The young Indian team just played a cracking cricket to win series in Aus. This result does not make a team having 6 players among the top 10 an ordinary team.

Sometimes you just have to give credit to the other team to play outstanding cricket and move on.

Can’t believe Starc is 8th...didnt bowl like it at all, too all Indian posters check out the rankings lol.
 
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People saying Australia is a crap team all of a sudden needs to stop drinking the Kool aid.

India bossed them in their backyard, they out prepared them and out responded them. The Aussies learnt nothing from the 2018 series because lol India used the exact same game plan this series as well.

This defeat will haunt and hurt Australia very badly. This is perhaps even more personal than losing the ashes.
 
Lots of threads on India.

Lets talk about Australia.

What different tactics they could have tried?

Three of the Aussie bowlers are aged 33, 30 and 30.

You can’t have a 3 quicks and 1 spinner attack with oldies in Australia. That’s why Cameron Green was there as a fourth quick - but he failed to take a wicket in the entire series.

So Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins had to bowl longer spells and they became slower and less incisive.

Picking Green was the right idea, but his bowling is not even at Faheem level. He needs to move up the order and a better fourth quick is required.
 
I was wrong about 5 players. Aus has 6 players in the top 10 ranks.

Smith - 2nd rank
Labu - 4th rank
Warner - 10th rank

Cummins - 1st rank
Josh - 5th rank
Starc - 8th rank



Anyone talking about Aus not having a gun team is simply missing the point. Aus has a gun team and they will thrash pretty much all teams at home. The young Indian team just played a cracking cricket to win series in Aus. This result does not make a team having 6 players among the top 10 an ordinary team.

Sometimes you just have to give credit to the other team to play outstanding cricket and move on.

Without a doubt. This is a historic win. No team has done this twice in a row to Australia in Australia other than South Africa. The skill level and application of the Indian team is just world class
 
Three of the Aussie bowlers are aged 33, 30 and 30.

You can’t have a 3 quicks and 1 spinner attack with oldies in Australia. That’s why Cameron Green was there as a fourth quick - but he failed to take a wicket in the entire series.

So Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins had to bowl longer spells and they became slower and less incisive.

Picking Green was the right idea, but his bowling is not even at Faheem level. He needs to move up the order and a better fourth quick is required.

But but but Junaids bhai.....the Aussie bowlers are tall and had all the advantage to bowl in their home pitches as per your theory! Now do you mean to say that youngsta tall beauties should be the ones to succeed in your pitches?

Then how do you explain a Shardul's performance - 7 wickets in the match..he is neither a spring chicken not tall (as per your criteria)
 
Three of the Aussie bowlers are aged 33, 30 and 30.

You can’t have a 3 quicks and 1 spinner attack with oldies in Australia. That’s why Cameron Green was there as a fourth quick - but he failed to take a wicket in the entire series.

So Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins had to bowl longer spells and they became slower and less incisive.

Picking Green was the right idea, but his bowling is not even at Faheem level. He needs to move up the order and a better fourth quick is required.

Hahahaha. Brother, in Australia when they say a player is 30, he is only 30 years old.and not a day more.
 
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