Azhar Ali dropped from ODI squad, doesn't play any List A games after that - Is selected in CT squad

[Abdullah719]

Inzi didnt say that he was dropped.

He was just trying out youngster Kamran and Shehzad.

OK, so he was rested.

Still doesn't add up.

 

[Watsupdoc]

Because Shehryar Khan saab said that he will be in the CT squad and his word is the order.

 

[Syed1]

Because Shehryar Khan saab said that he will be in the CT squad and his word is the order.

Exactly, but ultimately it is Inzi's fault since it is his job to make the selections.

If my boss asks me to do something which I know is incorrect and I still do it then I'm more at fault.

 

[Syed1]

When Inzi sahab first signed up he openly declared that he will not take dictation from anyone, yet he selects Azhar Ali here based on Sheri uncle's command. [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]


Best selector indeed.

 

[Major]

Exactly, but ultimately it is Inzi's fault since it is his job to make the selections.

If my boss asks me to do something which I know is incorrect and I still do it then I'm more at fault.

final squad is signed off by chairman.

No matter who the selector is, unless and until the chairman doesn't approved the squad, the squad cannot be accepted by ICC

 

[Major]

When Inzi sahab first signed up he openly declared that he will not take dictation from anyone, yet he selects Azhar Ali here based on Sheri uncle's command. [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]


Best selector indeed.

meaning that he won't dictation's from army generals who want their so and so relative to get selected or some politician to get someone to be played.

Chairman is different, Chairman is the boss of the selector, to whom the selector reports to directly.

And its the chairman who approves the final squad.

 

[Syed1]

final squad is signed off by chairman.

No matter who the selector is, unless and until the chairman doesn't approved the squad, the squad cannot be accepted by ICC

The chief selector should be strong enough to say he won't select a squad that has dictation from others. What are Sheri uncle's credentials to say which player should be in the squad?

 

[FreePalestine]

At 76 SR. Mashallah... beautiful masterstroke from Inzi.

Out of interest, what were the strike rates and averages of the other batsmen in England?

 

[Syed1]

meaning that he won't dictation's from army generals who want their so and so relative to get selected or some politician to get someone to be played.

Chairman is different, Chairman is the boss of the selector, to whom the selector reports to directly.

And its the chairman who approves the final squad.

I am an engineer. Engineer's have an engineering stamp (or seal) that has my name and licence number on it. I design a piece of equipment and stamp the drawing. If anything goes wrong with that equipment its my neck on the line.

I can take dictation from my boss to do something a certain way but at the end of the day when the investigators come I cannot claim but but but my boss told me so. Their response would be sir its your stamp on the drawing.


Same situation applies here. Inzi being the chief selector has his seal of approval on the squad and he doesn't have this cop out that Sheri uncle told him so.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Typical Inzi decision.

 

[Major]

I am an engineer. Engineer's have an engineering stamp (or seal) that has my name and licence number on it. I design a piece of equipment and stamp the drawing. If anything goes wrong with that equipment its my neck on the line.

I can take dictation from my boss to do something a certain way but at the end of the day when the investigators come I cannot claim but but but my boss told me so. Their response would be sir its your stamp on the drawing.


Same situation applies here. Inzi being the chief selector has his seal of approval on the squad and he doesn't have this cop out that Sheri uncle told him so.

I can't really comment on how things work at your workplace etc, but the thing in PCB squad selection is that Inzi himself might be the selector but his squad only gets approved until chairman himself approves them.

 

[Major]

The chief selector should be strong enough to say he won't select a squad that has dictation from others. What are Sheri uncle's credentials to say which player should be in the squad?

dictations from outside the PCB and those below his post. He can't say no to the one above his post if reasonable argument is given.

Sheri uncle is at the end of the day the Chairman, the head of the hierarchy.

Remember when Misbah dropped Afridi from the CT13 squad, even though Iqbal qasim was selector, but after discussing with the captain the final decision was taken.

same thing could be said here, that after discussion with the chairman, Azhar was added.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Out of interest, what were the strike rates and averages of the other batsmen in England?

Sarfraz Average 60 at 91.74
Imad Remained Not out the entire series SR 102
Malik Average 30.75 at 83.67
Babar Average 24.40 at 84.72
Sharjeel Average 20 at 133.33
Nawaz Average 22 at 88
Aslam Average 11 at 49.75

So almost everyone had better strike rate than Azhar Ali.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

When Inzi sahab first signed up he openly declared that he will not take dictation from anyone, yet he selects Azhar Ali here based on Sheri uncle's command. [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]


Best selector indeed.

Markhor bhaee will reply. I hope you don't mind me quoting you on this.


You are right that there are reports of Chairman Sahib enforcing re-selection of Azhar but


I remember that when Azhar was dropped Inzamam clearly said that he remains in their radar and they were just giving chance to Kamran & Shehzad and Azhar might be recalled for CT if he is required by the team. Will try to find Inzamam's press conference. So question is was it decided prehand that if Azhar & Kamran won't fire than Azhar will be back immediately ? Or Azhar's reselection is on Sheharyar sahib's fresh order ?

 

[Syed1]

Out of interest, what were the strike rates and averages of the other batsmen in England?

Sarfaraz Ahmed: 60/92
Imad Wasim: infinity/102 (remained not out in 4 innings)
Shoaib Malik: 31/84
Sharjeel Khan: 20/134
Babar Azam: 25/85
Muhammad Rizwan: 40/84

 

[Syed1]

Markhor bhaee will reply. I hope you don't mind me quoting you on this.


You are right that there are reports of Chairman Sahib enforcing re-selection of Azhar but


I remember that when Azhar was dropped Inzamam clearly said that he remains in their radar and they were just giving chance to Kamran & Shehzad and Azhar might be recalled for CT if he is required by the team. Will try to find Inzamam's press conference. So question is was it decided prehand that if Azhar & Kamran won't fire than Azhar will be back immediately ? Or Azhar's reselection is on Sheharyar sahib's fresh order ?

I'm not sure what was previously said, but I pretty certain that Azhar's reselection in the CT squad is based on Sheryar's dictation.

 

[cricketInsight]

Azhar Ali averaged 41.60 in 5 Odi's vs England in England in year 2016. SR of 77.60. We lost the Series 4-1.


Will you take those numbers from him in CT ? Remember in CT there will be much more pressure than it is in bilateral series plus he is making a comeback. Furthermore Australian & South African attack will be better than English pace attack if they perform as per their ability.


Still will you happily accept these numbers ?


Question is from all of you especially from [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] & [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

Azhar is going to beat Shehzad's tournament strike. The only thing that give shehzad a pass is his age and stylish shots if he gets to play them.

 

[cricketInsight]

Sarfaraz Ahmed: 60/92
Imad Wasim: infinity/102 (remained not out in 4 innings)
Shoaib Malik: 31/84
Sharjeel Khan: 20/134
Babar Azam: 25/85
Muhammad Rizwan: 40/84

Also worth reminding that we lost 4 out 5 matches with this.

 

[PennOne]

Azhar Ali is a very good odi player.

TO drop him was just ridiculous.

A very good opener

Fans like you are the reason selectors like inzamam keep selecting like they do

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Azhar is going to beat Shehzad's tournament strike. The only thing that give shehzad a pass is his age and stylish shots if he gets to play them.

Nothing much to seperate between them in terms of SR.


For Pakistan sake I hope both of them stunn us in CT and than I bump this thread

 

[Major]

Fans like you are the reason selectors like inzamam keep selecting like they do

He has performance to back himself up.


say whatever you want.

 

[Syed1]

He has performance to back himself up.


say whatever you want.

Care to give us numbers to back that claim?

 

[Major]

Care to give us numbers to back that claim?

avg of 38. Amongest the highest avg batsmen in Pakistan

 

[sadida97]

avg of 38. Amongest the highest avg batsmen in Pakistan

Since 2016, average of 27 and strike rate of 72...

 

[Major]

Since 2016, average of 27 and strike rate of 72...

his avg in 2016 was 31.

I believe every player has a one bad year or purple patch.

Misbah had one in 2016 as well in test, and this year he is avging high.

Azhar Ali has been treated unfarily by everyone.


Sarfraz Ahmed had a bad 2015 with an avg of 34. was he dropped? Were threads made against him? No
Why? Only because he hits sixes and fours.
Anyways we continued with Sarfraz, his 2016 was good. Like i said, every player has a bad year.

Azhar Ali had been batting wonderfully well before which is why even after a single bad year he still avgs 38

 

[The_Odd_One]

his avg in 2016 was 31.

I believe every player has a one bad year or purple patch.

Misbah had one in 2016 as well in test, and this year he is avging high.

Azhar Ali has been treated unfarily by everyone.


Sarfraz Ahmed had a bad 2015 with an avg of 34. was he dropped? Were threads made against him? No
Why? Only because he hits sixes and fours.
Anyways we continued with Sarfraz, his 2016 was good. Like i said, every player has a bad year.

Azhar Ali had been batting wonderfully well before which is why even after a single bad year he still avgs 38

Azhar is 33 and just a batsman who is a proven tuk-tuk who has a SR of 72 despite batting in power plays.

He brings nothing to the table. There are far better options available. Fakhar, Amin, Manzoor, and heck even Kamran.

Sarfraz has a dual role in team. He is the best wicket-keeper batsman available in Pakistan. None of Rizwan, Kamran, etc. even come close.

 

[Major]

Azhar is 33 and just a batsman who is a proven tuk-tuk who has a SR of 72 despite batting in power plays.

He brings nothing to the table. There are far better options available. Fakhar, Amin, Manzoor, and heck even Kamran.

Sarfraz has a dual role in team. He is the best wicket-keeper batsman available in Pakistan. None of Rizwan, Kamran, etc. even come close.

i dont care about his age.

No young player has been conssistently been with the odi team. Infact if i remember it was Oldie Misbah who was with the odi team 5 years.

I laugh everytime someone says umar Amin, because i have seen him in ODIs. He wasted his chance.

Sarfraz isn't the best keeper, but i wouldn't drop him just like i wouldn't drop Azhar

 

[kingusama92]

Sharjeel's spot-fixing messed things up.

Simple as that.

 

[msb314]

I now await Azhar Ali to answer his critics with some fantastic performances in England.

Fact is that we need GOOD batsmen for England and not the flash-bang brigade - I wish Azhar the best of luck.

I would rather have the flash-bang brigade in the CT when the par score will be 320+ rather than the "Stability" brigade...

 

[Syed1]

avg of 38. Amongest the highest avg batsmen in Pakistan

Hmmm.... and what is his average in the last year or two. Maybe next time also include his strike rate because it is a teeny tiny bit important in LOI.

 

[Abdullah719]

Sarfraz Ahmed had a bad 2015 with an avg of 34. was he dropped? Were threads made against him? No
Why? Only because he hits sixes and fours.
Anyways we continued with Sarfraz, his 2016 was good. Like i said, every player has a bad year.

Well, boundaries are an important part of ODIs... having said that, Sarfraz isn't much of a boundary hitter. Supreme rotator of strike though.

Azhar is neither a good rotator of strike nor is he capable on hitting boundaries on a consistent basis.

 

[Shafi]

Not only Inzi is dishonest but also I hardly believe that he has any ability to become a good selector. He did great job in 1992 World Cup because of Imran (who gave him guidance) but failed miserably in other World Cups when he had to play on his own without any guidance from captains back then. Just like a programmed robot.

 

[Major]

Hmmm.... and what is his average in the last year or two. Maybe next time also include his strike rate because it is a teeny tiny bit important in LOI.

Ahmed Shezad also has a similar strike rate, and yet no one is after him
I would take Azhar over him any day.

Azhar is the only proper batsmen out their along with Malik

 

[Abdullah719]

Ahmed Shezad also has a similar strike rate, and yet no one is after him
I would take Azhar over him any day.

Azhar is the only proper batsmen out their along with Malik

I'd advise you to have a look at match threads when he's batting, or any Shehzad related thread.

Very few people want him in the team.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Not only Inzi is dishonest but also I hardly believe that he has any ability to become a good selector. He did great job in 1992 World Cup because of Imran (who gave him guidance) but failed miserably in other World Cups when he had to play on his own without any guidance from captains back then. Just like a programmed robot.

That's a bit extreme. His record is exceptional. He was a World Class player, a World Cup winner.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good decision. Azhar can see off the new ball in English conditions.

It's 27th of April and I just scrapped ice off my car's windscreen. Summer doesn't seem to be coming here.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Good decision. Azhar can see off the new ball in English conditions.

And be 35/1 after 10 overs?

This seeing off the new ball concept doesn't exist in ODIs anymore If Azhar strikes below 75 we will guaranteed lose the match.

 

[QalandarFan]

If he was going to be selected he should've been in the WI squad at the very least!

Shows the kind of preparation and care has went into selecting this squad.

 

[cricketInsight]

Time for a new chief selector?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Doesnt mean you go back and recall a players whose not worth of a recall first of all and then 2ndly isnt suited to playing ODIs.

Typical stupid decision from PCB and Inzi.

 

[waleed88]

Hasn't he been a part of the ODI squad for more than 2 years as captain? Don't get whats the fuss... doesn't guarantee a selection, also he was our second highest top scorer against England in 2016 ODI series.. maybe he could use the experience he had on those pitches to good use

 

[KingKhanWC]

And be 35/1 after 10 overs?

This seeing off the new ball concept doesn't exist in ODIs anymore If Azhar strikes below 75 we will guaranteed lose the match.

It all depends on conditions, there is no new universal approach to modern ODI batting. Yes 300 is par now on most pitches but trust me if the weather doesn't improve, it remains cloudly and breezy. A 50 off 75 balls isnt bad at all. And considering Pakistan's batting line up , early wickets and there is trouble.

 

[Saj]

Well let's see if this decision proves right.

Inzi making some strange calls at the moment.