Babar Azam should be ashamed and learn from Ibrahim Zadran how to win matches against big teams?

[Aqib_mustafa]

Look at zadran guy has knocked england out with his masterclass batting on the other hand lahori boy babar is living his own world and becoming a loser and loosing pakistan match after match learn from zadran how world class he has become shame on you babar.

 

[saimayubera]

zadran has 2 ICC tournament 100s. bobzy has 1.

 

[Mas-LFC]

I Zadran, is a quality class opening batsman.

 

[sweep_shot]

Zadran is underrated.

Afghanistan have some good batters --> Zadran, Rahmat, Gurbaz, Shahidi, Nabi.

 

[Katwalindian]

zadran has 2 ICC tournament 100s. bobzy has 1.

King bobzy have zero, that was different babar azam.

 

[Asif321]

As shoaib said Babar Azam is a fraud . Zadran is much better than him . But PR teams will make sure Bobby will stay on top

 

[Asif321]

Look at zadran guy has knocked england out with his masterclass batting on the other hand lahori boy babar is living his own world and becoming a loser and loosing pakistan match after match learn from zadran how world class he has become shame on you babar.

Lahori boy will come in Audi after CT and run in NCA with all sweat and fans will say look at how hurt Babar Azam is . Ramiz raja will then have orgasms and Rizwan will say Bobby is trying hard to get back in touch

 

[Rana]

Zadran is underrated.

Afghanistan have some good batters --> Zadran, Rahmat, Gurbaz, Shahidi, Nabi.

He’s not underrated

He has clear problems early on around 5th stump with his feet not moving to pace. Good player once he gets in

 

[Alter_Ego]

I don't think there's a better timer of the ball around than this guy

 

[jnaveen1980]

Too lazy to look up. What is the highest score of Babar in ODI. Is it more than 177?

 

[saimayubera]

Too lazy to look up. What is the highest score of Babar in ODI. Is it more than 177?

158 against a second string England bowling attack.

 

[shaz619]

King bobzy have zero, that was different babar azam.

I think Rizwan has 1 in ICC events, can you add that to boober’s tally as well please. Babar & Rizwan hunt in packs.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Look at zadran guy has knocked england out with his masterclass batting on the other hand lahori boy babar is living his own world and becoming a loser and loosing pakistan match after match learn from zadran how world class he has become shame on you babar.

Why only Babar? Why not the other 5 batsmen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This was a top class innings by Zadran.

 

[jnaveen1980]

King zadran. Can we call him that?

 

[Aami]

Look at zadran guy has knocked england out with his masterclass batting on the other hand lahori boy babar is living his own world and becoming a loser and loosing pakistan match after match learn from zadran how world class he has become shame on you babar.

Babar Azam is not good enough to get out of his comfort zone. He is risk averse. Same with Riz.

Not sure if Pakistan have any decent batters or bowlers who can compete at the highest level?

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Babar Azam is not good enough to get out of his comfort zone. He is risk averse. Same with Riz.

Not sure if Pakistan have any decent batters or bowlers who can compete at the highest level?

Pak does its all about giving them chane niazi looks a good player then you have saim ayub who looked in good touch recently and then you got abdullah who was going through kean patch but still have to back him.

 

[Aami]

Pak does its all about giving them chane niazi looks a good player then you have saim ayub who looked in good touch recently and then you got abdullah who was going through kean patch but still have to back him.

I agree to an extent but going by past experiences you will have more losers than winners when it comes to Pak cricketers. There might be plenty of players playing in the domestics but I have my doubts as to how capable they are or will be at the top level.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

I agree to an extent but going by past experiences you will have more losers than winners when it comes to Pak cricketers. There might be plenty of players playing in the domestics but I have my doubts as to how capable they are or will be at the top level.

But pak has produced legends in past pak is not bangladesh or some ordinary team they always in past produced world class talent its about time they do it again and give right guys their due chance i really like the look of sufiyan muqeem who should be in the team as well

 

[pratiktc]

I was just thinking how many of the Pak team would get into Afg playing XI today.

Shaheen and Naseem probably come in for Fazal and Gulbadin.

Salman definitely takes Sediqullah's place.

After that very honestly I think its done.

Babar and Rizwan are ability and output wise far better players than Rahmat and Hashmatullah but the way they sank games this CT, I don't think I want such mentality or approach in Afg team. Atleast when push comes to shove even if they don't have ability the Afg duo would swing for the hills instead of trying to protect their averages.

 

[Aami]

Oh yaar ... those times are gone. The talent pool is pretty shallow now.

Over the last 20 years I've seen so many players with potential come and go...

I sincerely hope Moqeem does well but he might be able to find a place in T20s but not sure of Odis yet.

 

[saimayubera]

I was just thinking how many of the Pak team would get into Afg playing XI today.

Shaheen and Naseem probably come in for Fazal and Gulbadin.

Salman definitely takes Sediqullah's place.

After that very honestly I think its done.

Babar and Rizwan are ability and output wise far better players than Rahmat and Hashmatullah but the way they sank games this CT, I don't think I want such mentality or approach in Afg team. Atleast when push comes to shove even if they don't have ability the Afg duo would swing for the hills instead of trying to protect their averages.

gulbadin is an allrounder though

 

[Aami]

I was just thinking how many of the Pak team would get into Afg playing XI today.

Shaheen and Naseem probably come in for Fazal and Gulbadin.

Salman definitely takes Sediqullah's place.

After that very honestly I think its done.

Babar and Rizwan are ability and output wise far better players than Rahmat and Hashmatullah but the way they sank games this CT, I don't think I want such mentality or approach in Afg team. Atleast when push comes to shove even if they don't have ability the Afg duo would swing for the hills instead of trying to protect their averages.

Totally agree.

 

[chinaman00]

Babar could never play the type of inning Zadran played today, even if his life depended on it.

Babar’s cap is to play couple of well timed cover drives and then get out. At one point, he used to play for his stats, today he’s even incapable of that.

Time Pakistan moved on from him, Rauf, Naseem & Shaheen

 

[Local.Dada]

We rate Afghan spinners and maybe Gurbaz but this guy is the backbone of the team.

 

[saimayubera]

this guy also anchored the chase vs pak in 2023.

i was expecting a collapse at some point but it was soooooooo smooth.

 

[Local.Dada]

Babar could never play the type of inning Zadran played today, even if his life depended on it.

Babar’s cap is to play couple of well timed cover drives and then get out. At one point, he used to play for his stats, today he’s even incapable of that.

Time Pakistan moved on from him, Rauf, Naseem & Shaheen

To be honest Babar can play this innings against Afghanistan and below level teams like SL, WI on good pitches. He is out of form currently but he isn’t that bad. If you consider him a Fab5 player like Root; Smith, Kohli or Williamson it’s a joke but he is definitely good 2nd tier good player.

 

[Savak]

Unfair to Bash Babar any further. It is very clear where his level is now. To expect great things from him beyond his capabilities is our fault. Some players start their careers with a bang but then get found out and never recover.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Babars output is as per his capacity. This is the ceiling and unfair to expect anything more from him.

 

[Sachin fan]

Why only Babar? Why not the other 5 batsmen.

Are the other 5 batsmen hyped up as King, fab 5, best pakistani batsman ever, etc, etc?

 

[chinaman00]

Babar could never play the type of inning Zadran played today, even if his life depended on it.

Babar’s cap is to play couple of well timed cover drives and then get out. At one point, he used to play for his stats, today he’s even incapable of that.

Time Pakistan moved on from him, Rauf & Shaheen

To be honest Babar can play this innings against Afghanistan and below level teams like SL, WI on good pitches. He is out of form currently but he isn’t that bad. If you consider him a Fab5 player like Root; Smith, Kohli or Williamson it’s a joke but he is definitely good 2nd tier good player.

I will put all my money that he’s not capable of playing such an inning against Afghanistan and even Bangladesh.

 

[giri26]

To be honest Babar can play this innings against Afghanistan and below level teams like SL, WI on good pitches. He is out of form currently but he isn’t that bad. If you consider him a Fab5 player like Root; Smith, Kohli or Williamson it’s a joke but he is definitely good 2nd tier good player.

Don't agree, Babar can play this type of innings against teams like Nepal and below. Don't think in current form he can bat this way against even WI & SL, who have very good bowling attacks. He may score a 100 but surely not at that SR.

 

[Local.Dada]

Don't agree, Babar can play this type of innings against teams like Nepal and below. Don't think in current form he can bat this way against even WI & SL, who have very good bowling attacks. He may score a 100 but surely not at that SR.

Fair enough and I don’t think he can play this 170+ type X factor knock for sure but overall I think Babar is not that bad. Unfair to say Zardan is better. Babar has played some very good knocks vs good attacks. Maybe not such crisis knocks but he has been consistent before.

 

[Local.Dada]

Babar could never play the type of inning Zadran played today, even if his life depended on it.

Babar’s cap is to play couple of well timed cover drives and then get out. At one point, he used to play for his stats, today he’s even incapable of that.

Time Pakistan moved on from him, Rauf & Shaheen


I will put all my money that he’s not capable of playing such an inning against Afghanistan and even Bangladesh.

Agree if you are comparing this knock. I feel only Fakhar can play this kind of freak knocks in Pak side but I am saying overall apples to apples Babar is not that bad and unfair to pick on him just for this knock.

 

[mominsaigol]

I was just thinking how many of the Pak team would get into Afg playing XI today.

Shaheen and Naseem probably come in for Fazal and Gulbadin.

Salman definitely takes Sediqullah's place.

After that very honestly I think its done.

Babar and Rizwan are ability and output wise far better players than Rahmat and Hashmatullah but the way they sank games this CT, I don't think I want such mentality or approach in Afg team. Atleast when push comes to shove even if they don't have ability the Afg duo would swing for the hills instead of trying to protect their averages.

Farooqi is > Shaheen and naseem on current form. 2019-2022 shaheen are > Farooqi.

On current form they only replace gulbadin.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Are the other 5 batsmen hyped up as King, fab 5, best pakistani batsman ever, etc, etc?

LoL, Fab 5 is just what some foreign commentators like Nasser Hussain came up with. Pakistan had better batsmen. No one hypes Babar anymore but some meme makers. You can't blame it all on one batsman (who is not even the captain).

 

[TheSultan]

It’s an insult to Ibrahim Zadran to compare a loser like Babar to him.

He showed in this innings he is light years ahead of Babar as a batsman. In every department.

 

[jnaveen1980]

LoL, Fab 5 is just what some foreign commentators like Nasser Hussain came up with. Pakistan had better batsmen. No one hypes Babar anymore but some meme makers. You can't blame it all on one batsman (who is not even the captain).

I don't think Nasser said that. It is just Urooj that started this Fab 5. Then Babar's PR team ensure that it became a topic of discussion in the commentary.

 

[Local.Dada]

LoL, Fab 5 is just what some foreign commentators like Nasser Hussain came up with. Pakistan had better batsmen. No one hypes Babar anymore but some meme makers. You can't blame it all on one batsman (who is not even the captain).

I think Rameez Raja hypes him the most. That unfortunately works against Babar. I think he famously said “Babar, will you marry me”

 

[mominsaigol]

@Rana @TheSultan @emranabbas
@Dr_Bassim @shaz619 @topspin

One of the most common arguments in this forumn is that Babar and rizwan are the true greatest ever odi players to represent Pakistan mainly cause Pakistan never had a 50+ avg odi batter in babar and never had a 40+ avg wicket keeper batsmen.

Gilly avg 35 in odi, And zadran avg 51 in odi.

Does that mean Zadran > Pointing and gilly????? .

Anyway I'm glad zadran avg 51 in odi since it exposes babar's avg even further.

Although tbf to Zadran, he isn't a bad opener once he gets past his nervous starts. Certainly > Any pakistani opener in the past decade minus fakhar and saim. Fakhar and saim are >. Imam, Abdullah, Shehzad, Babar(as opener), Saud(as opener), Nasir jamshed, Imran farhat etc etc. All proper rubbish compared to zadran

 

[usman.sandhu]

We should kick Babar Azam out now, he clearly cannot bat.. enough of this coward and stat padder...

No desire, no work ethic, no fitness, no cricketing sense, no skill

 

[chinaman00]

Agree if you are comparing this knock. I feel only Fakhar can play this kind of freak knocks in Pak side but I am saying overall apples to apples Babar is not that bad and unfair to pick on him just for this knock.

A player of Babar’s profile ought to rescue his team when they are down and rally them to victory. That Babar has consistently failed to do this and always ends up digging a bigger hole for his team says a lot not just about his ability but also his legacy as a frontline batsman.

He has refused to learn from his mistakes and in doing so, has become a major tragedy for Pakistan, a country known for tragedy.

 

[Nasty Naz]

This tournament has been littered with centuries every match for every team except Pakistan. Quite ironic considering the tournament is in their home conditions.

The team is just filled with losers & stat padders.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If you are going to be looking at average

@Rana @TheSultan @emranabbas
@Dr_Bassim @shaz619 @topspin

One of the most common arguments in this forumn is that Babar and rizwan are the true greatest ever odi players to represent Pakistan mainly cause Pakistan never had a 50+ avg odi batter in babar and never had a 40+ avg wicket keeper batsmen.

Gilly avg 35 in odi, And zadran avg 51 in odi.

Does that mean Zadran > Pointing and gilly????? .

Anyway I'm glad zadran avg 51 in odi since it exposes babar's avg even further.

Although tbf to Zadran, he isn't a bad opener once he gets past his nervous starts. Certainly > Any pakistani opener in the past decade minus fakhar and saim. Fakhar and saim are >. Imam, Abdullah, Shehzad, Babar(as opener), Saud(as opener), Nasir jamshed, Imran farhat etc etc. All proper rubbish compared to zadran

If averages are be and all, Babar > Jayasuriya who pioneered the attacking role.

And if you are trying to sell me that Babar is greater than Jayasuriya because he averages higher, I would definitely do a urine test.

Because I want the same stuff you smoke.

 

[Golu-momin]

Babar azam played some of the
beautiful innings in this championship trophy, i think he has done well. We can held

high our head being babar fan @heddie19 .Even Haters acknowledged babar played a few atg innings in this tournament @Devadwal @Rana @mominsaigol these haters are silent that its must be babar is doing well.

 

[Hikaru]

Babar should stay Babar and not be ashamed of anything. He has maxed out his limited abilities and should stay true to who he is. Use him like India used Dravid, get other match winners.

 

[BouncerGuy]

That is the problem here.

Babar is not learning nor is he looking like trying to learn. Problems are quite visible but Babar has closed his eyes I gues..

 

[Nasty Naz]

That is the problem here.

Babar is not learning nor is he looking like trying to learn. Problems are quite visible but Babar has closed his eyes I gues..

Honestly just think there's simply too much complacency within the team & players. There's a lack of improvement and not brave enough to go out of your comfort to improve & innovate. Babar hasn't added a single shot to his game since coming onto the scene, he still can't sweep a spinner let alone a reserve sweep. Scoops, lap shot etc there's no expansion to his game and a lot of it just comes down to the player and the hunger & self realization to improve.

You look at players like Joe Root who doesn't even play T20's for England anymore but he's still found ways to add some shots to his game. Babar is a 10 year veteran at this point and yet you often see him playing like he is a rookie under pressure of losing his spot when he's been as secure one can be. If he finds himself under pressure there's no sense in finding ways to counter it but to go in his shell even more for survival mode.

It's just so disappointing because cricket has evolved so much since they started playing, the T20 game and run rate for the game has complete changed, players are constantly adding more power to their game, increasing range of shots, upping their SR to stay up to the modern demands while players like Babar/Rizwan/Imam etc have stayed exactly the same. You'd think there would be self realization from the players themselves of the modern demand and to improve their game to reflect those demands but it's clear that self realization is either not there or it is ignored.

The situation up top though with every resolving door of coaches, selectors, chairmen etc doesn't help matters. Even if a coach comes up to them and say hey you guys need to add more power and improve your SR for the modern game, the players can simply ignore it because they'll be gone in a couple of months. Honestly I don't even know what the solution is because everything is such a chaotic mess.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Just look at Ibrahim Zadran.

This man is taller, more good looking, more muscular, better athlete.

 

[shaz619]

@Rana @TheSultan @emranabbas
@Dr_Bassim @shaz619 @topspin

One of the most common arguments in this forumn is that Babar and rizwan are the true greatest ever odi players to represent Pakistan mainly cause Pakistan never had a 50+ avg odi batter in babar and never had a 40+ avg wicket keeper batsmen.

Gilly avg 35 in odi, And zadran avg 51 in odi.

Does that mean Zadran > Pointing and gilly????? .

Anyway I'm glad zadran avg 51 in odi since it exposes babar's avg even further.

Although tbf to Zadran, he isn't a bad opener once he gets past his nervous starts. Certainly > Any pakistani opener in the past decade minus fakhar and saim. Fakhar and saim are >. Imam, Abdullah, Shehzad, Babar(as opener), Saud(as opener), Nasir jamshed, Imran farhat etc etc. All proper rubbish compared to zadran

It’s a remarkable story really that a team that was languishing in the lower leagues for some time, with no where near as much resource or historic legacy to lean on when it came to their aspirations at the highest level, can produce players who are both mentally and physically equipped to perform much better in high level tournaments, even more impressive that it’s the CT because it is difficult to ‘peak’ at the right time. Obviously Pakistan & India have helped the Afghans along the way, but for them to be playing limited overs cricket better then an established Test nation is a reflection of how low Pakistan have fallen with their muddled set-up and drama queens.

Azhar Mahmood mentioned that chopping and changing clearly hasn’t worked, what he don’t realise though is that the same core group have been backed for half a decade. Doesn’t that show they’ve been pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

People should stop this rubbish about the political environment, domestic structure and general infrastructure; all of these issues have been unstable since Pakistan were made a Test nation, and since then we’ve still thrived. There are countries with no where near the legacy of Pakistan cricket who at least understand where they are and what they need to strive for in limited overs, Pakistan just don’t have that awareness and those who’ve wanted to change their brand, are quickly deployed elsewhere or removed altogether.

When Pakistan select the correct personnel for the job, have a set-up which empowers modern limited overs cricket, eliminates the toxicity which has been created and the interference from external parties, then give this regime as long a run you have the serial losers and if they still fail, then maybe you’re in a position to say that we just don’t have the players, it’s politics or something else etc

We deserved to exit this home campaign without a single victory, if this doesn’t cause some real change, I don’t know what will.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

This is a top-class innings against England, scoring 177 when Afghanistan was struggling at 34/3.

 

[mominsaigol]

It’s a remarkable story really that a team that was languishing in the lower leagues for some time, with no where near as much resource or historic legacy to lean on when it came to their aspirations at the highest level, can produce players who are both mentally and physically equipped to perform much better in high level tournaments, even more impressive that it’s the CT because it is difficult to ‘peak’ at the right time. Obviously Pakistan & India have helped the Afghans along the way, but for them to be playing limited overs cricket better then an established Test nation is a reflection of how low Pakistan have fallen with their muddled set-up and drama queens.

Azhar Mahmood mentioned that chopping and changing clearly hasn’t worked, what he don’t realise though is that the same core group have been backed for half a decade. Doesn’t that show they’ve been pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

People should stop this rubbish about the political environment, domestic structure and general infrastructure; all of these issues have been unstable since Pakistan were made a Test nation, and since then we’ve still thrived. There are countries with no where near the legacy of Pakistan cricket who at least understand where they are and what they need to strive for in limited overs, Pakistan just don’t have that awareness and those who’ve wanted to change their brand, are quickly deployed elsewhere or removed altogether.

When Pakistan select the correct personnel for the job, have a set-up which empowers modern limited overs cricket, eliminates the toxicity which has been created and the interference from external parties, then give this regime as long a run you have the serial losers and if they still fail, then maybe you’re in a position to say that we just don’t have the players, it’s politics or something else etc

Brother the reality is simple. Afghanistan is a passionate cricket nation who doesn't really back down against any team besides maybe India probably because of IPL contracts and wanting to maintain friendly realtions with BCCI.

Their fitter then our cake boys, and they know how to play cricket..they've had enough experience with international leagues all around the world to develop their game and unlike Pakistan, their domestic system rewards players like gurbaz, Nabi, Zadran, Rashid, aka all players who play attacking cricket be it bowling wise or batting wise.

They also love improving their game and are at it day by day.

In contrast, Pakistan is the opposite. Most of the players in the team are simply playing for stardom so that they can get league sponsorships however they aren't getting league sponsorships cause no league wants rubbish players like babar representing them. Theirs no unity.

Secondly the team culture doesn't want to promote attacking talent. Someone like Muhammad Haris isn't promoted due to stats while people like imam ul haq are. The selectors don't wish to pursue an attacking brand of cricket.

Saim ayub and fakhar are outliers and flukes which is wrong since they should be the norm.

Afghanistan has lesser talent then Pakistan but they have more passion for the game and currently have a better system which is why their players surpass Pakistani players.

 

[Snowflake]

If Babar wanted to learn, the examples are aplenty. Thing is, he doesn't want to learn because what he is doing and how he's playing is 100% deliberate.

We underate the intelligence of these guys by saying that they do not understand how modern day cricket is played. They completely understand but are unwilling to adapt because it puts their position in the team in doubt.

Our players are extremely insecure. They lack team-first mentality because they prioritize self-interest. Any batsman who is scared of getting out and of losing his place in the side will never play modern-day cricket.

As I have said multiple time, this team needs a shift in mindset. They need to be forced to play a different brand of cricket.