Bangladesh vs West Indies Test series in 2018 - A disgraceful portrayal of home turf advantage?

[Joseph Gomes]

Two evenly matched sides destroying each other on their home turfs, that's as unsporting as it gets. Why isn't ICC doing anything to prevent such predictable outcome? This is terrible advertisement for test cricket which brags about being challenging (challenging for the away team, that is)

England vs Sri Lanka was a huge outlier which won't happen again and again. Maybe the toss should be abolished? I don't know, but home advantage is getting ridiculous.

Thoughts?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

 

[shariqnoor]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

How is it unethical? Bangladesh themselves scored 500+ on a pitch where WI could barely get to 200. WI don't have the skills to play in the subcontinent and that's not Bangladesh's fault. They prepared a sharp turning track that suits their strengths which is absolutely fine. The pitch wasn't doctored by any means. It was a normal India/SL/Bangladesh pitch.

 

[Robert]

How is it unethical? Bangladesh themselves scored 500+ on a pitch where WI could barely get to 200. WI don't have the skills to play in the subcontinent and that's not Bangladesh's fault. They prepared a sharp turning track that suits their strengths which is absolutely fine. The pitch wasn't doctored by any means. It was a normal India/SL/Bangladesh pitch.

Aye. You expect Bunsens on the Subcontinent, just as you expect seamers in England (though fewer these days as global warming kicks in).

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Test matches are boring and deserves to be scrapped to be frank. Who has time to go to the stadium 5 days in a row, people with 9-5 jobs are obviously not the targeted audience, it's more targeted towards unemployed people.

 

[light]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

Was a bit curious so checked out the scorecards/highlights for the test matches. Seems like batsmen were to be blamed from all teams. Brandon Taylor got 2 centuries in same pitch in the last test match. WI crumbled with shot selection problem where as BD pilled up runs in the second match. First match, pitch was actually a very turning one. Go back to WI, you'll see the same manner these BD players choose their shot selection where as WI pilled up runs in the same pitch. There is nothing wrong with home advantage (hence home game) but these poor performances have a lot to do with brainfarts/selfbelief itself.

 

[light]

Test matches are boring and deserves to be scrapped to be frank. Who has time to go to the stadium 5 days in a row, people with 9-5 jobs are obviously not the targeted audience, it's more targeted towards unemployed people.

This man gets it. There is no place for test match in the 21st century. You really have to have a no-life to follow a full match. I rarely follow test match, will perhaps check the scorecard here and there. If I see one of the indian boys did something magical or something that peeks my interest, perhaps will watch the highlights. But that's about it. IT IS BORING!!!!

 

[Barragan]

Nothing wrong with it.

If you can't cope with the opponents home conditions, then upgrade your skill-set and be able to cope with it.

If you want to be the best, then you should be able to play anywhere and beat anyone - simple.

Just to add, I have no issue with Eng preparing green turfs or Aus with bouncy pitches, for Asian sides touring.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

This man gets it. There is no place for test match in the 21st century. You really have to have a no-life to follow a full match. I rarely follow test match, will perhaps check the scorecard here and there. If I see one of the indian boys did something magical or something that peeks my interest, perhaps will watch the highlights. But that's about it. IT IS BORING!!!!

Great Minds think alike

It's so boring that I even find the highlights boring

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Nothing wrong with it.

If you can't cope with the opponents home conditions, then upgrade your skill-set and be able to cope with it.

If you want to be the best, then you should be able to play anywhere and beat anyone - simple.

Just to add, I have no issue with Eng preparing green turfs or Aus with bouncy pitches, for Asian sides touring.

Home bullying is worse than ever. No.1 India side got demolished like schoolboys in England. It's made a mockery of the ranking system and competitiveness of test cricket.

 

[Barragan]

Home bullying is worse than ever. No.1 India side got demolished like schoolboys in England. It's made a mockery of the ranking system and competitiveness of test cricket.

Nothing wrong with home bullying.

As for competitiveness, why not get better at playing spin?

These guys are professionals and should be able to practice playing in any condition. It is unacceptable, that they cannot play spin abroad or swing and seam or bounce.

As for rankings, amend it so that winning away gives you extra points.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

We don’t have a choice. We don’t have the financial clout to buy the umpires.

 

[gazza619]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

Not sure what was unethical in home team trying to get home advantage. SA and Australia prepares extra bounce and pace. SL and India prepares rank turners. Nobody calls them unethical then why Bangladesh?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Nothing wrong. Comprehensive victory.

 

[Mainul]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

LOL.
I have to take antiemetic tablet after reading this.
This is a ridiculous thread, nonsense thread

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Nonsense thread.

 

[latecut]

We don’t have a choice. We don’t have the financial clout to buy the umpires.

Just now your team secured its biggest test victory ever. And you want to spoil the mood by making such a reckless statement. Learn to be graceful atleast when your team wins.

 

[RainMan_]

We don’t have a choice. We don’t have the financial clout to buy the umpires.

100% agreed. Those who have doubt about it should watch quarterfinal match of last world cup as well as the final of the last Asia Cup.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Every home team has the right to prepare pitches to suit their own strengths.

Whats the point of preparing a pitch where the away team has an advantage? It makes no sense.

 

[Mainul]

Nothing wrong with home bullying.

As for competitiveness, why not get better at playing spin?

These guys are professionals and should be able to practice playing in any condition. It is unacceptable, that they cannot play spin abroad or swing and seam or bounce.

As for rankings, amend it so that winning away gives you extra points.

This should be our thinking rather than talkng nonsense . Every team is loosing ( Bravo England for their exceptional win in SRL) away from home, to cover it we fans shouldn't give lame excuses. I never gave excuses for our dismal performances in tests in WI. We just haven't got the skill to play well there. WI has every right to prepare that kind of pitch.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Every home team has the right to prepare pitches to suit their own strengths.

Whats the point of preparing a pitch where the away team has an advantage? It makes no sense.

Agree. In fact I would encourage Bangladesh to go this route. They can threaten even the likes of SA on such pitches and fight for the 5th spot in the rankings.

While top teams manage a couple of away wins/draws here and there and demolish teams at home, mid tier lose almost all away games and win comfortably at home with an upset or two. Lower tier teams lose all away games and more than a few even at their home. This is how the rankings are panning out so far. Bangladesh should try to get into the mid tier category.

 

[lakers81]

Long time lurker (don't really like to post), but now it's gotten to a point where BD bashing win/lose is just fun for kicks, especially from a certain group of "fans" and their team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/18788951/nine-deadly-pitches

India v South Africa, Test, Kanpur, 2007-08

Rating: Poor
Reason: Too dry and too much turn and variable bounce
Match referee: Roshan Mahanama

India v Sri Lanka, ODI, Delhi, 2009-10

Rating: Unfit
Reason: Random, dangerous and uneven bounce
Match referee: Alan Hurst

India v South Africa, Test, Nagpur, 2015-16

Rating: Poor
Reason: Excessive turn and uneven bounce throughout the match
Match referee: Jeff Crowe

India v Australia, Test, Pune, 2016-17

Rating: Poor
Reason: Loose soil on both ends and spinners' deliveries exploding from the surface early in the match
Match referee: Chris Broad

Something about living in glass house and throwing stones. But yeah BD keep doctoring them pitches *rolls eyes*

 

[lakers81]

Every home team has the right to prepare pitches to suit their own strengths.

Whats the point of preparing a pitch where the away team has an advantage? It makes no sense.

+2

It is called homefield advantage for a reason. Happens in every sports.

 

[Mainul]

The same pitch where WI scored 406,BD got all out for 43 and 144(Antigua test 2018). The same pitch where BD scored 508 ,WI got all out for 111 and 213. Both the countries failed to cope and play on opposition soil due to lack of skill to play swing and spin, as simple as that. You are a test playing nation, if you don't possess this skill it's shame for you ,not for the pitch .

 

[Mainul]

Long time lurker (don't really like to post), but now it's gotten to a point where BD bashing win/lose is just fun for kicks, especially from a certain group of "fans" and their team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/18788951/nine-deadly-pitches

India v South Africa, Test, Kanpur, 2007-08

Rating: Poor
Reason: Too dry and too much turn and variable bounce
Match referee: Roshan Mahanama

India v Sri Lanka, ODI, Delhi, 2009-10

Rating: Unfit
Reason: Random, dangerous and uneven bounce
Match referee: Alan Hurst

India v South Africa, Test, Nagpur, 2015-16

Rating: Poor
Reason: Excessive turn and uneven bounce throughout the match
Match referee: Jeff Crowe

India v Australia, Test, Pune, 2016-17

Rating: Poor
Reason: Loose soil on both ends and spinners' deliveries exploding from the surface early in the match
Match referee: Chris Broad

Something about living in glass house and throwing stones. But yeah BD keep doctoring them pitches *rolls eyes*

Eye opening for everyone

 

[Darkrai]

If the home team can score runs on the same pitch then the problem lies with the touring team. If both struggle to score runs then you can blame the pitch, but when one side is scoring 400+ runs then there is no excuse for the other team.

 

[RainMan_]

If the home team can score runs on the same pitch then the problem lies with the touring team. If both struggle to score runs then you can blame the pitch, but when one side is scoring 400+ runs then there is no excuse for the other team.

Agreed. But ICC really need to make a rule that will prevent hosts from dishing out absolute doctored and garbage pitch that India usually makes to salvage some meaningless ranking point. Giving demarit points or whatever simply won't suffice.

Just look at the series between 2015/16 INDIA-SA series. All the pitches in that series looked as if BCCI ran a tractor over those pitches. That series was one of the most shambolic incidents in the history of test cricket. Wickets of that series were the epitome of doctored wickets and India still get humiliated in international media for making those pitches.

The average first innings score in that series was 200 and the average second innings score was 127.

 

[MMHS]

I don't think there was anything wrong with 2nd Test wicket. On similar track, ZIM took the Test to 15th session, WIN couldn't get into 8th!!! And, the way their batsmen looked absolute clueless against Shakib & Miraz with hard ball, had they batted first, this Test could have been even shorter. CTG wicket had more bounce & pace hence it was difficult (relatively) to bat; still both sides made it look even worse.

Personally, I would like to see more batting friendly Test wicket in BD, where we need to work hard for 20 wickets. On such wickets, against non Asian sides (actually every side barring IND), our bowling weaknesses won't be exposed and 4 spinners will always book tourists to a manageable total, it'll be up to the batsmen to win it (or lose) from there on. Test cricket shouldn't be played on surface where going through disciplined motions can earn you 20 wickets.

Regarding the topic of this thread, I can only feel sorry for the burn.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Read somewhere, this is the first time in history that spinners from a team (Bangladesh, for people who haven't followed this series) have taken 40 out of 40 wickets in a test series. No wonder there are no decent pace bowlers coming out of Bangladesh. They will continue to struggle abroad if they don't make a few adjustments to this dominant spin culture.

 

[Executioner]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

The match Zim lost BT scored 2 centuries

And the 2nd test against WI, BD scored 508 runs. So?

 

[Shafi]

Nothing wrong to make pitch according to your strength. WI players are too busy to get selected in meaningless franchise T20 leagues rather than their ODI and test.
They just don't have it what it takes to play spin.

 

[MMHS]

Read somewhere, this is the first time in history that spinners from a team (Bangladesh, for people who haven't followed this series) have taken 40 out of 40 wickets in a test series. No wonder there are no decent pace bowlers coming out of Bangladesh. They will continue to struggle abroad if they don't make a few adjustments to this dominant spin culture.

Pacers will come, in fact 3 will play in NZ in very next Test - you'll see couple of them in Emerging Cup, unless Karachi wicket isn't heartless for seemers. It's about playing horses for courses and on there is not point to pick pacers if wicket isn't helping them. I'll take it a smarter call to play 4 spinners on such wickets than playing 3 pacers in UAE .......

 

[Robert]

If teams want to win away, their players have to expand their skill sets. Indians must learn to play seam and swing, English must learn to play spin.

Thirty years back, everyone knew how to play on every surface. But Indians don’t play in the CC any more, and English pitches have become stereotypical so batsmen here can’t cope with the turning ball and just try to sweep everything.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pacers will come, in fact 3 will play in NZ in very next Test - you'll see couple of them in Emerging Cup, unless Karachi wicket isn't heartless for seemers. It's about playing horses for courses and on there is not point to pick pacers if wicket isn't helping them. I'll take it a smarter call to play 4 spinners on such wickets than playing 3 pacers in UAE .......

I'm aware you have pace bowlers. Just no one decent enough to win you matches abroad. The likes of Taijul, Mehdi and the new kid won't trouble many batsmen on wickets with little help. I believe you are touring NZ next?

 

[Swashbuckler]

Nothing wrong with the pitch, Bangladeshis get unnecessary flak from certain sections of fans here.

 

[latecut]

I can understand people being defensive while losing, but why be defensive when winning. Bangladesh won this match, that is all. Where is the point discussing irrelevant matters like India being bad outside, umpires being poor against Bangladesh etc. Learn to be positive instead of finding something negative even in wins.

 

[Titan24]

Congrats to Bangladeshi fans but when a team goes with an all spin attack you know that something is odd.

 

[Hasan123]

They can produce whatever pitches they like. Would rather play on pitches that offer something for the bowlers than lifeless pitches like the UAE pitches.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Rubbish , thats what home advantage is.

One team scores 508 and other folds twice under that score , the pitch was not unplayable but the opponent teams skill levels were not good enough to play on this pitch.

 

[Bilal7]

Though its a disgrace but I cant really blame BD here. They know they cant win without doctoring pitches as evident from 1st test against Zimb. Its unethical and for neutral viewers like us its dissapointing, but I can see where BD is coming from. They want to be dominant at home and thats absolutely fine, albeit by unethical means.

Can India win without doctoring pitches?

Indians criticizing anyone for doctoring pitches should look in the mirror and ask themselves why they said nothing when the likes of "Bowling Bradman" and "Sir" were racking up wickets bowling on minefields.

 

[latecut]

India have also won on flat tracks by outbatting the opposition which is tougher than winning by doctoring pitches.

 

[RainMan_]

India have also won on flat tracks by outbatting the opposition which is tougher than winning by doctoring pitches.

But that doesn't change the fact that India is no 1 only because of doctored Square turners. Without doctored wickets India will not even be in top 5 leave alone becoming the no 1 test team. Just look at the shambolic performance of the indian team whenever they step outside of their doctored home turf. An Indian accusing others of doctoring wickets is like pot calling ketlee black, isn't it?

 

[Mohammad zuber]

Test match era is over long ago
Even 50 over bilateral cricket is boring nowdays audience wants tournament's like nidhas trophy
Asiacup

 

[Mohammad zuber]

Can India win without doctoring pitches?

Indians criticizing anyone for doctoring pitches should look in the mirror and ask themselves why they said nothing when the likes of "Bowling Bradman" and "Sir" were racking up wickets bowling on minefields.

Who stop your team ??

 

[BDfanforever]

I'm aware you have pace bowlers. Just no one decent enough to win you matches abroad. The likes of Taijul, Mehdi and the new kid won't trouble many batsmen on wickets with little help. I believe you are touring NZ next?

Its a shame, Shahadat Hossain I believe is/was still BD best pace bowler in test.

 

[Robert]

Test match era is over long ago

England played fifteen tests this year.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Just now your team secured its biggest test victory ever. And you want to spoil the mood by making such a reckless statement. Learn to be graceful atleast when your team wins.

Fans of 13 man sides shouldn’t be criticizing teams that win or lose fairly without a reposte. No one gives a hoot about “moods”.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

England played fifteen tests this year.

England and Australia are exceptions.