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Mosques in the UK could be designed without minarets to look like “quintessentially English” places of worship, the former Conservative Party chairman Baroness Warsi has suggested.

Lady Warsi, the first Muslim woman to sit in the Cabinet, is urging architects and designers to come up with a new model for Islamic places of prayer as part of a drive to develop an authentically “British” brand of Islam.
That could involve abandoning the distinctive towers from which the call to prayer is traditionally issued in an effort to blend in more closely with their surroundings, she said.

And in some places that might even involve mosques which resemble village churches, she added.

She likened the debate over the place of mosques in towns to arguments in previous centuries about baroque churches such as St Paul’s Cathedral in London, which were seen by some as “foreign” and Roman Catholic.

The peer, who served as faith minister in the Coalition government, is setting up a new foundation in her name to promote religious tolerance, said she wanted to start a national debate about places of worship in the 21st century and is planning a design completion to come up with new plans for mosques.

The call for a new generation of mosque first emerged emerged in the Tablet, the Catholic magazine, following questions at the peer’s inaugural lecture as Visiting Professor St Mary’s University, Twickenham. Full details of the design competition are expected to be issued in the New Year.

Speaking to The Telegraph, she explained: “The phrase that I keep coming back to, which is rooted in Islamic thinking, is that Islam is like a river that takes the colour from the bed over which is flows, the bed being the country in which it is found.

“There has to be a debate about cultural reference points in religious buildings, how does it find its identity in the place in which it is built?
“If you look at mosques around the world they are very differently shaped and sized; they have different features, some have minarets and some don’t have minarets.

“The minaret is traditionally used somewhere where the call to prayer would be issued from the top of the minaret.
“If the principal reason no longer exists, with someone having to physically go up to the minaret, should we take more local cultural reference points from this country instead?
“That’s what we want to have a debate around and a potential design competition.

“What I would like to see is the quintessential English mosque.
“It is not for me to say what that would look like.”
She added that there was “no reason why” mosques might not be built resembling English village churches.

“The only requirement is for it is to have a place for the imam to stand, to be facing Mecca when you pray and to have places for people to wash before prayer,” she said.

“I think a nod to the heritage and the culture that you find yourself in can be very helpful.

“I want to see an Islam which sits comfortably within Britain and a Britain that sits more at ease with Islam.

The apparent similarities between the Muslim minaret and traditional church towers may be more than coincidental.

The practice of including a tower from the call to prayer was issued is likely to have originated in Syria date in the mid 7th or early 8th century when Damascus, a former Christian metropolis, became the capital of the Islamic caliphate under the Umayyad dynasty.

Some churches in the region already included towers at the time – but often used as a form of outdoor pulpit rather than a place for bells.
 
I did actually argue this same point of view myself back in the days of the thread about the Hindu temple in Wembley, but now I am having to rethink this because I have seen so many churches which resemble Anglican churches across the world. Perhaps we need to examine this with a new perspective.
 
Not sure what the point in churches are or mosques


Why not just one universal religion where everyone is appreciated for the goodness inside them
And people congregate just to drink tea and coffee while mixing with their neighbours
 
Not sure what the point in churches are or mosques


Why not just one universal religion where everyone is appreciated for the goodness inside them
And people congregate just to drink tea and coffee while mixing with their neighbours


u are way too radical for your own good.
 
It won't be a bad idea. I would love to see mosques in diverse designs.
 
Is there any Islamic requirement for mosques to be a certain design? If not this is very sensible and would go a long way in improving relationships between the Muslim community and the wider British public.
 
Don't see what the fuss is all about with her statements. If one goes to Hui-dominated areas of China, you would see heaps of mosques built according to Chinese architectural styles. And in the indigenous Muslim communities of Eastern Europe, there are many mosques that also blend in with the environment that they are in, i.e. Lipka Tatar mosques in Poland.

So I'm all for it.
 
This is the oldest mosque in Australia, FYI:

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Yep, lets go all the way and have crosses on the doors and spires, stained glass windows incorporating the figure of Jesus (after all he too was a Prophet in Islam), and gargoyles sticking out from under the eves. Mosques designed that way will definitely blend in, especially if they also incorporate bell towers, with bells ringing out on Sundays.
 
Yep, lets go all the way and have crosses on the doors and spires, stained glass windows incorporating the figure of Jesus (after all he too was a Prophet in Islam), and gargoyles sticking out from under the eves. Mosques designed that way will definitely blend in, especially if they also incorporate bell towers, with bells ringing out on Sundays.

lol good one.
 
It starts with the architecture and then moves into other things...one after the other.

But, instead of having them resemble churches or other places of worship, why not ask them to be built simply with modern or attractive design? People dump a fortune in creating their custom McMansions - I'm sure you can come up with a better design for a mosque. Be that with a minaret.
 
It starts with the architecture and then moves into other things...one after the other.

But, instead of having them resemble churches or other places of worship, why not ask them to be built simply with modern or attractive design? People dump a fortune in creating their custom McMansions - I'm sure you can come up with a better design for a mosque. Be that with a minaret.

Try building a "Persian palace" in Beverly Hills, see what that gets you. If secular Persians in LA can't avoid the brouhaha associated with building a gaudy and ugly eyesore in an exclusive area on the site of a early 20th century home, no one else will.
 
Its a good idea I dont believe theres a requirement to have huge domes etc

Many countries have masjids in the design of their local buildings and culture

Any policies that help bridge the gap whilst not going against religious teachings are welcome imo
 
Many new masjids that I have visited were old derelict shops turned into masjids, no dome or minaret in sight plus the cost would be too much.
 
The first mosque in Australia, no minarets:

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The first Mosques in the UK were also very small simplistic buildings. But as the Muslim population skyrocketed, big purpose built Mosques started being created with domes and minarets etc.
 
The first Mosques in the UK were also very small simplistic buildings. But as the Muslim population skyrocketed, big purpose built Mosques started being created with domes and minarets etc.

It's like the halal food takeover. The early Muslims had to keep livestock if they wanted to eat meat, now supermarkets and chain restaurants are supplying halal meat to cater for the Islamic market.

They are trying to roll back in France with the pork only menu for schoolchildren, will be interesting to see if that catches on over here.
 
Yes indeed, Muslims need to lead the way in respecting our British architecture. No more monstrosities like this:


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The issue is not of respecting local architecture, but distrust between communities. Hindus should do more too to create a favourable environment. Native British folks are great people, if you walk one step towards them, they will walk twice the distance towards you.
 
The issue is not of respecting local architecture, but distrust between communities. Hindus should do more too to create a favourable environment. Native British folks are great people, if you walk one step towards them, they will walk twice the distance towards you.

It's a tricky one to be fair. A lot of Britons that want to preserve traditional architecture move out of the inner cities to small towns and villages where you still get the old English way of life. But in turn that leaves the inner cities open to all sorts of immigrants and that's when you start getting those areas reflecting the immigrant way of life.

It's difficult to imagine metropolises like London operating on the scale it does without immigration. Perhaps local councils should have stricter planning laws to avoid changing traditional architecture. But then maybe they should do the same in Australia and India and stop building skyscrapers like they are in Manhattan.
 
It's a tricky one to be fair. A lot of Britons that want to preserve traditional architecture move out of the inner cities to small towns and villages where you still get the old English way of life. But in turn that leaves the inner cities open to all sorts of immigrants and that's when you start getting those areas reflecting the immigrant way of life.

It's difficult to imagine metropolises like London operating on the scale it does without immigration. Perhaps local councils should have stricter planning laws to avoid changing traditional architecture. But then maybe they should do the same in Australia and India and stop building skyscrapers like they are in Manhattan.

I dont see a problem with exotic architecture. In itself it is not a problem. But when communities are divided and there is distrust, then everything related to a community is disliked. People should clear the distrust first, and everything else will take care of itself. Whether it means adopting traditional british architecture or serving tea and biscuit in their places of worship. Immigrants should do extra instead of wanting the natives to adjust.
 
I dont see a problem with exotic architecture. In itself it is not a problem. But when communities are divided and there is distrust, then everything related to a community is disliked. People should clear the distrust first, and everything else will take care of itself. Whether it means adopting traditional british architecture or serving tea and biscuit in their places of worship. Immigrants should do extra instead of wanting the natives to adjust.

I think immigrants usually do go the extra mile, or at least they used to. The problem is quite often the following generations who are born here and adopt a provocative or combative stance similar to many low class Brits.
 
Yes they were...but with those comments, you seem more like the Jeremy Corbyn kind of radical :P

That's the problem

If I was a Catholic Christian Thomas Beckett would be my role model

As a Muslim in the west it has to be Malcolm x
 
Had the honour of visiting the Cambridge mosque

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The dome was a little difficult to get a pic of as can only see from afar

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Thats one good looking mosque. Mid century modern meets islamic architecture?
 
Not sure what the point in churches are or mosques


Why not just one universal religion where everyone is appreciated for the goodness inside them
And people congregate just to drink tea and coffee while mixing with their neighbours

Because then the people who need to impose their idea of righteousness on others would have nothing to do.
 
That's the problem

If I was a Catholic Christian Thomas Beckett would be my role model

As a Muslim in the west it has to be Malcolm x

Brother Malcolm X changed his last name. But he did not change his first name which was given to him again by the white man. He should have called himself xx or xy.
 
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