Batting is not just an issue at the international level for Pakistan!

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Batting in domestic cricket also an issue. Today's wickets & runs in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. Average runs per wicket =22.47 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/4wnXHC2ruP">pic.twitter.com/4wnXHC2ruP</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/917438028263624705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[CricketingMinds]

This is really sad. No wonder you keep seeing the same old TTFs in the team every now and then and we are unable to move beyond the Akmals and Butts

 

[Cric1234]

The pitches make the fast bowlers look like world beaters in domestic.

 

[Boi]

The pitches are horrific. 24 wickets fell on Day 1 in Islamabad today. Who'd want to be a batsmen?

 

[Cric1234]

The pitches are horrific. 24 wickets fell on Day 1 in Islamabad today. Who'd want to be a batsmen?

It exaggerates the figures of fast bowlers and Wahab only averaged 27 in domestic before playing international cricket.

 

[Friend786]

The pitches are horrific. 24 wickets fell on Day 1 in Islamabad today. Who'd want to be a batsmen?

Diamond club ground in Islamabad is famous for fastest green pitch in country, paradise for fast bowlers.

 

[Friend786]

Flat pitches that has something for the faster men on day 1 and start to take turn on day 4 are better for developing our batsmen, bowlers should toil a little harder to take wickets in order to get ready for test cricket.

 

[pkwdpassion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Batting in domestic cricket also an issue. Today's wickets & runs in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy. Average runs per wicket =22.47 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/4wnXHC2ruP">pic.twitter.com/4wnXHC2ruP</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/917438028263624705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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SAj bhai you are the only true news person I look for info. on twitter for any news on Pakistan cricket. This statistic does'nt justify as we have to look into the conditions wholistically. I was watching the vdo of match of Shaheen AFridi who was getting ball to swing on the pitch thru out the day. Your statistic creates a wrong perception that Pakistani bats are not good enough for any form of cricket even though most have not been given any kind of chance by the selection cmmtee. in last 4-5 years. Please bring up the statistic how many players have been dropped after touring with the side and not given a single match. How many players have played minus Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Sami Aslam, Shan Masood.

 

[shane]

That may be so, but it does not help when those who average 60 in domestic cricket (Fawad Alam) are never given a chance.

 

[Saj]

SAj bhai you are the only true news person I look for info. on twitter for any news on Pakistan cricket. This statistic does'nt justify as we have to look into the conditions wholistically. I was watching the vdo of match of Shaheen AFridi who was getting ball to swing on the pitch thru out the day. Your statistic creates a wrong perception that Pakistani bats are not good enough for any form of cricket even though most have not been given any kind of chance by the selection cmmtee. in last 4-5 years. Please bring up the statistic how many players have been dropped after touring with the side and not given a single match. How many players have played minus Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Sami Aslam, Shan Masood.

Look there are some very good bowlers in Pakistan domestic cricket, some of the pitches are also very favourable to pace and swing bowling, but I will also add that there is a lack of high quality batsmen in Pakistan domestic cricket.

 

[ManFan]

You need FLAT wickets in domestics. This is why we see tuk-Turks on the international stage. They gather runs on green wickets so they never play strokes because the wickets don't support them. No wonder Pakistan haven't produced a stylish batsmen like Anwar or Inzi in years. The green wickets are also bad for bowlers. The trundlers are made to look like world beaters. There is no use in bowling fast and bending your back when you can bowl military-medium and pick up a bucket load of wickets. The art of reverse swing has been lost for ages because you need a flat pitch to do so.

 

[shane]

You need FLAT wickets in domestics. This is why we see tuk-Turks on the international stage. They gather runs on green wickets so they never play strokes because the wickets don't support them. No wonder Pakistan haven't produced a stylish batsmen like Anwar or Inzi in years. The green wickets are also bad for bowlers. The trundlers are made to look like world beaters. There is no use in bowling fast and bending your back when you can bowl military-medium and pick up a bucket load of wickets. The art of reverse swing has been lost for ages because you need a flat pitch to do so.

How would you explain England and New Zealand where green wickets are the norm but who produce the most dynamic batsmen and best fast bowlers?

 

[ManFan]

How would you explain England and New Zealand where green wickets are the norm but who produce the most dynamic batsmen and best fast bowlers?

Kiwi and England bowlers are not the best fast bowlers. The only decent ones from both sides are green track bullies like Anderson and Southee. Boult has fallen off course in recent times. As for the batsmen, England wickets are not as green as they used to be in the past. They do have quality batsmen but the LOI syndrome has kicked in to their Test team. The Kiwis have one great batsman, Williamson. But he is a once in a generation type like Martin Crowe.

 

[shane]

Kiwi and England bowlers are not the best fast bowlers. The only decent ones from both sides are green track bullies like Anderson and Southee. Boult has fallen off course in recent times. As for the batsmen, England wickets are not as green as they used to be in the past. They do have quality batsmen but the LOI syndrome has kicked in to their Test team. The Kiwis have one great batsman, Williamson. But he is a once in a generation type like Martin Crowe.

I should also have added South Africa to that list. The fact is that green wickets produce exciting cricket and exciting cricketers. I would also be interested to know whether Pakistani wickets are actually green at all? For example, the sluggish wickets of the UAE are not exactly green tops but they still keep producing run rates of 2 per over. In fact, green wickets tend to encourage batsmen to take more risks.

 

[Mamoon]

How would you explain England and New Zealand where green wickets are the norm but who produce the most dynamic batsmen and best fast bowlers?

Kiwi and England bowlers are not the best fast bowlers. The only decent ones from both sides are green track bullies like Anderson and Southee. Boult has fallen off course in recent times. As for the batsmen, England wickets are not as green as they used to be in the past. They do have quality batsmen but the LOI syndrome has kicked in to their Test team. The Kiwis have one great batsman, Williamson. But he is a once in a generation type like Martin Crowe.

English and NZ domestic pitches are exactly like the pitches they have for international cricket. The ball swings early on but later on it becomes flat. That is why you regularly see big scores. In Pakistan, most of our F/C matches end in 3 days with below par totals. The batsmen simply do not develop the temperament to score long innings.

 

[Mamoon]

I should also have added South Africa to that list. The fact is that green wickets produce exciting cricket and exciting cricketers. I would also be interested to know whether Pakistani wickets are actually green at all? For example, the sluggish wickets of the UAE are not exactly green tops but they still keep producing run rates of 2 per over. In fact, green wickets tend to encourage batsmen to take more risks.

Actually, the main issue is the timing of the QEA trophy. It is held at the end of the summer and the start of the winters, a time where pitches have a lot of moisture. Those wickets are not conductive to stroke-playing.

 

[Abdullah719]

Actually, the main issue is the timing of the QEA trophy. It is held at the end of the summer and the start of the winters, a time where pitches have a lot of moisture. Those wickets are not conductive to stroke-playing.

Well this year there is an additional issue. The matches have been crammed in with only 2-3 day breaks in between so the pitches are only going to get worse.

 

[ManFan]

Well this year there is an additional issue. The matches have been crammed in with only 2-3 day breaks in between so the pitches are only going to get worse.

Does the PCB have scheduling problems or is it just laziness?

 

[Abdullah719]

Does the PCB have scheduling problems or is it just laziness?

It's that ridiculous National T20 Cup.... they plan on holding it sometime in November, along with the proposed T20Is against West Indies. That's why the group stage of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy will finish by Nov 5th.

Seven matches between 26th Sep and Nov 5th. That's 28 days of cricket... well probably less since the matches won't go the distance.

 

[Mamoon]

We seem to have a T20 Cup every few months for some odd reason.

 

[Savak]

How would you explain England and New Zealand where green wickets are the norm but who produce the most dynamic batsmen and best fast bowlers?

Those wickets have pace and the ball comes on to the bat. Pakistani domestic wickets are very slow and batsmen even when they play an attacking shot will not be rewarded for their efforts with a boundary.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Pathetic batting pitches in Islamabad and Rawalpinidi. Can't blame the batsmen here.

 

[mak36]

It's that ridiculous National T20 Cup.... they plan on holding it sometime in November, along with the proposed T20Is against West Indies. That's why the group stage of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy will finish by Nov 5th.

Seven matches between 26th Sep and Nov 5th. That's 28 days of cricket... well probably less since the matches won't go the distance.

But, how can you say that? Sethi is the best administrator the world has ever seen. )