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Bhuvneshwar Kumar in ODIs - Is he the worst bowler ever?

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And his stats in those countries are Bradmanesque.

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Any batsman would be proud of such stats. Can't think of any other bowler with worse stats and what's worse is, he's a permanent starter in the playing XI.

Is he the worst bowler ever against top sides?
 
World Cup is in England where he averages 29 at 4.5 economy.
 
India has found another gem in Khail Ahmad.So can be benched if he goes for many.
 
He didn’t improve anything other than his pace and adding few yorkers and slow balls in his weaponry since his debut.

Still totally relies upon swing, havent worked upon any seam movement or reverse swing and also doesn’t know how to set up a batsman and changing lengths, angles to deceive the batsmen which is key to take wickets on non conducive surfaces and in the middle overs.
 
India has found another gem in Khail Ahmad.So can be benched if he goes for many.

Khalil is a decent prospect but wont call him a gem as of now. He is a strong guy who is nippy but that’s about it. To feature in internationals regularly and perform this is not enough, he is missing a lot of dimensions in his bowling as of now. He is just 20 so he can learn quickly but not completely ready yet to play as a 2nd pacer when you know that there is high chance that Pandya will be third.
 
He's ranked #23 in the ODI bowler rankings, ahead of many others like Amir (who is ranked #32). So he is certainly not the worst bowler ever.
 
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And his stats in those countries are Bradmanesque.

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Any batsman would be proud of such stats. Can't think of any other bowler with worse stats and what's worse is, he's a permanent starter in the playing XI.

Is he the worst bowler ever against top sides?

What an absolute ridiculous thread. To call bhuvneshawar kumar the worst bowler in ODI's is beyond a joke. He is a fantastic new ball bowler in white ball cricket and has won many matches for india with his excellent death bowling too. Brilliant thinking bowler and will make you eat humble pie come next years world cup. There is a reason hes still in the indian squad as him and bumrah bowl good in tandem. He is easily in the top 8 bowlers in world cricket
 
What an absolute ridiculous thread. To call bhuvneshawar kumar the worst bowler in ODI's is beyond a joke. He is a fantastic new ball bowler in white ball cricket and has won many matches for india with his excellent death bowling too. Brilliant thinking bowler and will make you eat humble pie come next years world cup. There is a reason hes still in the indian squad as him and bumrah bowl good in tandem. He is easily in the top 8 bowlers in world cricket

Let's be realistic here, he averages over 40 with the ball since the last world cup (rising to 48 against top 6 nations). He's not close to being in the top 18 ODI bowlers in world cricket right now let alone the top 8.
 
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And his stats in those countries are Bradmanesque.

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Any batsman would be proud of such stats. Can't think of any other bowler with worse stats and what's worse is, he's a permanent starter in the playing XI.

Is he the worst bowler ever against top sides?

You are paying too much attention to average. In ODIs , average is not as important as economy. His economy is not so bad considering the flat nature of wickets that we get always.

Average will be important in Tests.
 
You are paying too much attention to average. In ODIs , average is not as important as economy. His economy is not so bad considering the flat nature of wickets that we get always.

Average will be important in Tests.
Why do we have one set of rules for Kumar and another for Amir?
 
You are paying too much attention to average. In ODIs , average is not as important as economy. His economy is not so bad considering the flat nature of wickets that we get always.

Average will be important in Tests.


Stats since 2015. However you look at, he is certainly one of the worst.

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He seems to have lost his prodiguous swing. He is in the team for his death bowling which isn't that great either in the last few games. However, his overall value as a cricketer is high. He was one of the reasons for the Asia cup final win. He's a good fielder too. Considering the other options Shami, Umesh are bigger spray guns and mugs with the bat, Bhuvi's place is secure.
 
He seems to have lost his prodiguous swing. He is in the team for his death bowling which isn't that great either in the last few games. However, his overall value as a cricketer is high. He was one of the reasons for the Asia cup final win. He's a good fielder too. Considering the other options Shami, Umesh are bigger spray guns and mugs with the bat, Bhuvi's place is secure.

Shami >>>>>>> Bhuvi in ODIs. Please don't club them together.
 
Shami >>>>>>> Bhuvi in ODIs. Please don't club them together.

According to who? Certainly the Indian team management doesn't think so. And that's for the reasons I already mentioned. Bhuvi can bat, can field , can bowl with the new ball and with the old at the death. For a guy who bowls exclusively in the power play overs, economy of 6 rpo isn't bad at all.
 
As bad as those stats are, he is not as bad as a number of other Indian bowlers that have come about in the last 15 or so years. In an age of soaring rr and scores, he is someone who can offer control and on slower pitches, his lack of pace and odd variation works well.

However, India have to look for more wicket taking alternatives, BUmrah, Shami and someone else should be part of their main bowling unit during the world cup.
 
According to who? Certainly the Indian team management doesn't think so. And that's for the reasons I already mentioned. Bhuvi can bat, can field , can bowl with the new ball and with the old at the death. For a guy who bowls exclusively in the power play overs, economy of 6 rpo isn't bad at all.

Compare both players stats and its not even up for a debate. One averages 26 and the other does 40. Bhuvi's batting is useless in ODIs and T20s. Tests are a different topic altogether. Yes, 1/60 for your first choice bowler isn't bad..... it's diabolical.
 
As bad as those stats are, he is not as bad as a number of other Indian bowlers that have come about in the last 15 or so years. In an age of soaring rr and scores, he is someone who can offer control and on slower pitches, his lack of pace and odd variation works well.

However, India have to look for more wicket taking alternatives, BUmrah, Shami and someone else should be part of their main bowling unit during the world cup.

Not really. He often gets one or two yorkers right at the death and bowl pies the rest. There's a reason why his economy at the death is among the worst. Give any upcoming bowler some matches, he easily outbowls him.... just as Khaleel proved in the ongoing series.
 
Compare both players stats and its not even up for a debate. One averages 26 and the other does 40. Bhuvi's batting is useless in ODIs and T20s. Tests are a different topic altogether. Yes, 1/60 for your first choice bowler isn't bad..... it's diabolical.

That useless batting helped India win Asia Cup. Also, Shami is a terrible death bowler and can't hold thr bat. Indian team prefers multi dimensional players
 
Not really. He often gets one or two yorkers right at the death and bowl pies the rest. There's a reason why his economy at the death is among the worst. Give any upcoming bowler some matches, he easily outbowls him.... just as Khaleel proved in the ongoing series.

"Economy at the death is the worst". Prove that sentence.
 
Our team management has had this strange obsession with him for the 'control' that he offers, whatever that he means with a ER of 5.5 since 2015 WC. Despite his occasional performance (like in Asia Cup vs Pakistan and BD), I'd play Shami ahead of him every day and pick Pandya , who has similar stats with the ball as Bhuvi as 3rd seamer.

For some reason, his best record is vs Pakistan. So keep him in the squad for that one match :P
 
Bhuvi is an ideal type of bowler BD/Pak batsman likes to bash. Desi bowlers trundling in at 134k. BD/Pak batsman are usually scared of Archer/Thomas type of bowler.
 
Bhuvi is an ideal type of bowler BD/Pak batsman likes to bash. Desi bowlers trundling in at 134k. BD/Pak batsman are usually scared of Archer/Thomas type of bowler.

Let’s see what the records say.

Bhuvi’s stats against BD

ODI
INNINGS
6
WICKETS
8
BALLS BOWLED
282
RUNS CONCEDED
228
AVERAGE
28.5
ECONOMY RATE
5.0
STRIKE RATE
35.25
BEST BOWLING FIGURES
3/32


Don’t seem as if Banglabandhus love to bash poor Bhuvi! May be they don’t score run off him out of pity!
 
Bhuvi is an ideal type of bowler BD/Pak batsman likes to bash. Desi bowlers trundling in at 134k. BD/Pak batsman are usually scared of Archer/Thomas type of bowler.

Now now...don't try to group yourself with Pak bowlers....Everyone knows the calibre on your batsmen and phaast bowlers:ashwin
 
Even my Pakistani friends don’t seem to be interested in bashing Bhuvi!

ODI against PAK
INNINGS
9
WICKETS
14
BALLS BOWLED
462
RUNS CONCEDED
322
AVERAGE
23.0
ECONOMY RATE
4.12
STRIKE RATE
33.0
BEST BOWLING FIGURES
3/15

Bhuvi may not very successful against top teams but he’s handful against second tier ODI teams in Asia
 
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^^between two finals he played(ct 2017, asia cup) he was 1-73 against Pak/BD.

Today was the best I seen him bowl though, but then again when you have 352 on the board any dibbly dubbly bowler will look like a monster.
 
^^between two finals he played(ct 2017, asia cup) he was 1-73 against Pak/BD.

Today was the best I seen him bowl though, but then again when you have 352 on the board any dibbly dubbly bowler will look like a monster.

Last Asia cup final he had 7-0-33-0
CT FINAL - 10-2-44-1

So, where exactly is this bashing?
 
^^between two finals he played(ct 2017, asia cup) he was 1-73 against Pak/BD.

Today was the best I seen him bowl though, but then again when you have 352 on the board any dibbly dubbly bowler will look like a monster.

Bhuvaneshwar may not be a world beater but don't be so acidic, sir :)

Stats indeed paint a good picture.
 
Even my Pakistani friends don’t seem to be interested in bashing Bhuvi!

ODI against PAK
INNINGS
9
WICKETS
14
BALLS BOWLED
462
RUNS CONCEDED
322
AVERAGE
23.0
ECONOMY RATE
4.12
STRIKE RATE
33.0
BEST BOWLING FIGURES
3/15

Bhuvi may not very successful against top teams but he’s handful against second tier ODI teams in Asia
Wait for 16th june,,, lolz, Bhuvi is good when india have runs on board, He will get flat once he has to defend as low total., his record is poor for a country like India.
 
Never understood why people didn't rate him. Personally think he's class.
 
^^between two finals he played(ct 2017, asia cup) he was 1-73 against Pak/BD.

Today was the best I seen him bowl though, but then again when you have 352 on the board any dibbly dubbly bowler will look like a monster.

Last Asia cup final he had 7-0-33-0
CT FINAL - 10-2-44-1

So, where exactly is this bashing?

The only reasonable explanation is that BDfanforever doesn't know that in ODI cricket unlike Test cricket a team is restricted to 50 overs. That must be why he mentions only average runs per wicket taken and ignores runs per over conceded.
 
This trundler is awful to say the least but he has done a fine job in these matches.I support him a little since he is a gujjar but he is trundler need to get his pace up.
 
Even my Pakistani friends don’t seem to be interested in bashing Bhuvi!

ODI against PAK
INNINGS
9
WICKETS
14
BALLS BOWLED
462
RUNS CONCEDED
322
AVERAGE
23.0
ECONOMY RATE
4.12
STRIKE RATE
33.0
BEST BOWLING FIGURES
3/15

Bhuvi may not very successful against top teams but he’s handful against second tier ODI teams in Asia
I like bhuvi. If the ball swings, he can be devastating. But like amir, bhuvi is finding it hard to get wickets because these balls dont swing. Got 2 very important wickets today, change the game.
Also, cant remember bhuvi ever behaving badly, though i dont watch indian cricket much, so i might be wrong on that.
 
Anyways, on topic, Bhuvi seems to have rediscovered his mojo off late and bowled some very tight lines during the opening spell, infact it was his opening spell which won India the game. Otherwise, Aussies did take it quite close. Bhuvi definitely used be a horrible bowler as he started but Indian team management is quite impressive on how they turn mediocre bowlers into world beaters.
 
Indian bowling lineup works as a team every bowler have different roles .Bhuvi is perfect to support bumrah and spinners .he is doing fantastic job
 
Bhuvaneshwar reminds me of Karsan Ghavri. He could also bat a bit but was an average slow-slow-medium-slow pacer but did reasonably well in the company of Kapil Dev and was part of the world cup winning team.

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar is of course faster and better than Ghavri but so is the average std of current India team.
 
Bhuvaneshwar reminds me of Karsan Ghavri. He could also bat a bit but was an average slow-slow-medium-slow pacer but did reasonably well in the company of Kapil Dev and was part of the world cup winning team.

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar is of course faster and better than Ghavri but so is the average std of current India team.

Actually he is a lot like Amir in ODIs, they bowl the same speed, if you give them a big target or good conditions they become demons, otherwise they bowl really economical spells without taking many wickets. Batsmen find it difficult to score runs off them and get out trying to force the pace
 
This trundler is awful to say the least but he has done a fine job in these matches.I support him a little since he is a gujjar but he is trundler need to get his pace up.

He is regularly bowling 140+ and his fastest balls are 142, 143, so dont know what you are talking about. He is faster than many bowlers in most teams
 
^^between two finals he played(ct 2017, asia cup) he was 1-73 against Pak/BD.

Today was the best I seen him bowl though, but then again when you have 352 on the board any dibbly dubbly bowler will look like a monster.
I'm not his fan but lol, really?
 
Actually he is a lot like Amir in ODIs, they bowl the same speed, if you give them a big target or good conditions they become demons, otherwise they bowl really economical spells without taking many wickets. Batsmen find it difficult to score runs off them and get out trying to force the pace

Are you sure??
BK has been smashed for high scores plenty of times
 
Last 19 matches - 33 wickets @22.92 with an ER under 5. I'll take that for a bowler considered to be the worst trundlers of all time. :)
 
Bhuvi lacks the extra pace and he is prone if getting bashed. Otherwise he is a good bowler who in friendly conditions can be devastating.

Good bowling by him so far, hopefully keeps it like this
 
Doesn't matter, he has to play because of the team balance. Our other bowlers are duds with the bat, so we will always need either Bhuvi or Jadeja at number 8. Bhuvi is a capable batsman, he won us a couple of matches with the bat in the last couple of years and is someone the main batsmen can trust when it comes to rearguard action or closing out the innings. For a team like India our number 8 batting spot is vital because it has a cascading effect and gives the main batsmen more freedom to play their normal games.

Imagine if our last 4 are Shami, Chahal, Kuldeep, Bumrah? In such a situation batsmen will shut shop once 4/5 wickets are down. As tempting as it sounds because of inherent faults in our cricket system, Bumrah, Shami, Kul-Cha won't start together and one of them will always miss out for either Bhuvi or Jadeja.
 
He is regularly bowling 140+ and his fastest balls are 142, 143, so dont know what you are talking about. He is faster than many bowlers in most teams

Regularly 140+? Man he is a 134k bowler on average, even Bumrah is not a 145k bowler, let alone 150k. Now I am not saying he is a bad bowler.

Bumrah 141k
Bhuvi 134k
Shami 140k
 
I'm not his fan but lol, really?
I am not sure what you are trying to say, but any BD/Pak batsman would rather face Bhuvi over Archer, Thomas, Cummins, Starc, Rabada, Holder etc. Its not to say Bhuvi wont do well.
 
I am not sure what you are trying to say, but any BD/Pak batsman would rather face Bhuvi over Archer, Thomas, Cummins, Starc, Rabada, Holder etc. Its not to say Bhuvi wont do well.

He is trying to say that you were being ridiculous when you posted "Bhuvi is an ideal type of bowler BD/Pak batsman likes to bash." followed by "^^between two finals he played(ct 2017, asia cup) he was 1-73 against Pak/BD."

As #WengerOut posted "Last Asia cup final he had 7-0-33-0 CT FINAL - 10-2-44-1 So, where exactly is this bashing?"

Of course you did not reply to the above.
 
I have not really followed his career, but whenever i have seen him with the new ball, he has looked threatening.

Cant believe he averages so poorly.
 
I have not really followed his career, but whenever i have seen him with the new ball, he has looked threatening.

Cant believe he averages so poorly.

thats because he started off horrible, just like ishant sharma (who seemed quite decent in recent test matches). The difference between pakistan and India is the team management. Indian team management can turn mediocre bowlers to quite decent and comeptitive at world stage while in Pakistan, our bowlers start off amazingly due to sheer talent but regress over time due to horrible/non-existent team management.
 
India seamer Bhuvneshwar Kumar is not sure when he will make a comeback to competitive cricket as it is yet to be ascertained whether a surgery is required to treat his sports hernia.

The senior seamer, who is expected to be out for an indefinite period of time, doesn’t want to blame the National Cricket Academy for allegedly bungling his rehabilitation. He, though, is a bit surprised as to why his hernia couldn’t be detected earlier.

“World T20 is still good nine months away. I am not thinking about that. First thing is getting fit and I don’t know when I will get fit,” Bhuvneshwar told PTI in an exclusive interview.

Asked about the NCA’s role, the 29-year-old was predictably defensive and said it’s best the BCCI brass deals with it.

“It’s up to BCCI as to how they are going to take it. They must have had a chat with the NCA.

“NCA must have tried their best but I don’t know what went wrong and why they couldn’t diagnose. Still I am not the right person to comment on that as it might say something else and BCCI will come up with something else,” said the Meerut man, who played 21 Tests, 114 ODIs and 43 T20 Internationals.

Bhuvneshwar also offered a dead defence when asked if players are wary of going to the NCA.

“It’s an individual’s responsibility or wish whether he want to go to the NCA or not.”

On his recovery process, he said that he is waiting for the doctor’s appointment, after which a clearer picture could emerge on the need for a surgery.

“There is no surety of surgery, but generally, the standard procedure in case of sports hernia is surgery. But we still need to take an appointment and I am not sure where it’s going to be. But we are trying to get it as soon as possible.

“Till I consult a doctor, can’t say when will be the comeback as it will depend on the diagnosis and treatment plan.”

Bhuvneshwar, after being out due to side strain post the tour of the West Indies, had made a comeback against the same side in the T20 series earlier this month before being sidelined again.

“Injuries can be frustrating at times but I am not at all heartbroken. It’s part and parcel of our journey. I was in good rhythm against the West Indies.

“I want to be back at my best but as I said I don’t know what will be the treatment like. So whatever the doctor says will go with that thing only,” he said.

He was also asked if it will be a direct battle between him and the other injured seamer Deepak Chahar (stress fracture) for a berth in the T20 World Cup in Australia.

“When I get fit it will be about performing. So I am not thinking about who all will be there. Thinking about selection is not in my hands and it’s not my job also. My job is to perform and I will do that,” his answer was matter of fact.

The forced break had given Bhuvneshwar time to indulge in the little joys of life that a busy international cricketer finds difficult to do.

“I am spending a lot of time with my family and as you play and travel a lot, you miss out on family time. Go out with family, do the small things that makes us happy,” he said.

He has been a brand ambassador of noted sports goods manufacturers Asics and thanked them for providing the perfect bowling spikes required for fast bowlers.

“It’s been two years and it’s been very good so far using Asics bowling shoes. It’s very difficult to get good shoes and being a fast bowler it’s a necessity as poor quality of shoes can get you injured,” he said.

Do they make customised shoes for you? “Whatever they are making suits perfectly for me. Almost everyone is using Asics and I didn’t need any customised shoes.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...hen-i-will-get-fit-bhuvneshwar-kumar-6190509/
 
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