Birmingham Star City: Arrests over cinema 'machete' brawl

[Knight_Rider]

Saw this on BBC and wondering what’s going on, who was fighting and why? Anyone here local to Birmingham? Is gang related violence a big problem in the city?


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A fight involving people armed with machetes broke out at a cinema in what one witness described as "one of the scariest moments of her life".

A number of police officers were assaulted as they attempted to clear about 100 people from the Star City complex in Birmingham.

They were responding to reports a group with machetes had arrived at the multiplex.

Several arrests for assaulting officers and failing to disperse were made.

The injured officers sustained only minor injuries, West Midlands Police said.

One witness described it as "one of the scariest moments of [her] life", as she queued to watch the new Frozen film with her daughter.

Choleigh McGuire said: "Armed police come, Tasers come, all of the people that were fighting ran off into the cinema, hiding. I am shaking."

One witness said "a young boy was crying on the floor with his mother" as a number of people started fighting.

"The police told everyone to leave the cinema as they held Taser guns in their hands and started to bring in guard dogs," said Rachael Allison.

Motorists have been advised to avoid the area - in the north-east of the city, close to junction six of the M6 and Aston Railway Station - due to a build-up of traffic.

A dispersal order has been put in place giving police the power to move on groups of people and arrest those who fail to leave.

Star City is a family leisure and entertainment complex in the Nechells area of Birmingham.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-50533609

Birmingham Star City: Girl, 13, among 'machete' brawl arrests

Five teenagers, including a 13 year-old girl, have been arrested after a mass brawl involving machetes broke out at a cinema.

Seven West Midlands Police officers were hurt while attempting to disperse the fight at the Star City complex in Birmingham on Saturday evening.

One witness described it as "one of the scariest moments of her life".

Police had to draw Tasers and use a dispersal order to clear the group of up to 100 youths.

Two machetes were seized and a knife was recovered from a roundabout nearby.

A girl aged 13, a girl and boy both aged 14, and a 19-year-old man were all held on suspicion of assaulting police. In addition, a boy aged 14 was held on suspicion of obstructing police.

Police said they expect to make further arrests on Sunday.

The trouble "seemed to be focussed at the cinema" but "pockets of disorder" broke out around the whole complex, the force said.

Witness Choleigh McGuire described the brawl as "one of the scariest moments of [her] life", as she queued to watch the new Frozen film with her daughter.

"Armed police come, Tasers come, all of the people that were fighting ran off into the cinema, hiding. I am shaking," she said.

Another witness, Rachael Allison, said "a young boy was crying on the floor with his mother" as a number of people started fighting.

"The police told everyone to leave the cinema as they held Taser guns in their hands and started to bring in guard dogs."

The Vue cinema chain had been showing the film Blue Story but has since pulled further screenings of the release - described by director Rapman as a a tale of friendship, love and postcode wars - from its venues.

A spokesman for the firm said: "We can confirm a decision was made to remove the film. The safety and welfare of our customers and staff is always our first priority."

Steve Graham, commander of Birmingham West neighbourhood policing unit, said: "I understand there is a lot of speculation on social media and people are citing that film.

"At this stage we are not jumping to any conclusions. That will form part of our investigations as it carries on."

The BBC has contacted Rapman for a comment.

The force was called to the complex, in Nechells, at about 17:30 GMT and cleared the area by 21:00. The officers hurt during the disorder suffered minor facial injuries.

Supt Ian Green said: "This was a major outbreak of trouble which left families who were just trying to enjoy a night out at the cinema understandably frightened.

"We worked quickly to move the crowds on, but were met with a very hostile response and officers had to draw Tasers to restore order.

"It's clear that some of those who went to Star City last night were intent on causing trouble."

He said the force's response was necessary to restore order as quickly as possible.

"We understand that families with young children will have been left upset by what they saw last night, but we urge people to appreciate that our aim last night was to protect the public and restore order, and that's what we achieved," he added.

Additional security is in place at the complex and police will be there on Sunday night. Officers will also be visiting schools across Birmingham on Monday to speak to pupils about carrying knives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-50536472

 

[za1ntc]

You are from the uk and you don't know about birmingham? Pakistani gangs practically rule the city of Birmingham

 

[za1ntc]

The black somali gangs have also grown now, and give the Pakistanis a good run for their money too. But most somalis are friendly with the Pakistanis as they are both muslims, that is until money and drugs come in between.

 

[Knight_Rider]

You are from the uk and you don't know about birmingham? Pakistani gangs practically rule the city of Birmingham

No, I don’t know much about gangs despite being in B’ham quite often. Hence it surprised me a bit to see people were turning up with Machetes.

I ve seen Somalis on Coventry road but they mostly seem friendly, as you said.

 

[hafeezrocks]

You are from the uk and you don't know about birmingham? Pakistani gangs practically rule the city of Birmingham

Proud Achievement.

 

[in_cutter]

There is a photo circulating of a kid who looks 12 wielding a machete.

The state of youth today is scary.

 

[Knight_Rider]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-50536472

Sad to see kids this young getting involved.

 

[MenInG]

A 13-year-old girl is among five teenagers who have been arrested following a major brawl at a cinema in Birmingham.

The teenager, alongside another girl and a boy, both aged 14, as well as a 19-year-old man, were arrested on suspicion of assaulting police. Another 14-year-old boy was arrested on suspicion of obstructing police.

Officers were called to Star City, an entertainment complex in the Nechells area, just after 5.30pm on Saturday following reports that a group of people with machetes had arrived.

More than 100 people were at the cinema and "pockets of fighting" broke out as officers tried to clear the area, West Midlands Police said in a statement.

A dispersal order was put in place, allowing police to arrest anyone who did not leave the area - which was largely cleared by 9pm.

Three officers suffered minor face injuries in the incident, and as well as seizing two machetes, police also recovered a knife from a roundabout close to the cinema.

Police are working to understand why trouble broke out at the venue.

Witnesses say that police attended the scene with firearms, tasers and police dogs.

The cinema remained closed for the rest of the evening.

Superintendent Ian Green from Birmingham police, said: "This was a major outbreak of trouble which left families who were just trying to enjoy a night out at the cinema understandably frightened.

"We worked quickly to move the crowds on, but were met with a very hostile response and officers had to draw Tasers to restore order.

"Thankfully, the injuries to our officers were very minor. We've also recovered two machetes and a knife, and it's clear that some of those who went to Star City last night were intent on causing trouble."


He added that: "We understand that families with young children will have been left upset by what they saw last night, but we urge people to appreciate that our aim last night was to protect the public and restore order, and that's what we achieved."

Police have been looking at images and video of the incident on social media, and called on anybody who has pictures or footage of the incident to come forward.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I went to watch frozen 2 in East Didsbury yesterday

The scariest moment was probably our 2 year old standing on her chair

 

[Knight_Rider]

Normally at this time of the year they have kids rides and funfair outside the Star city also the cinema has some Indian & Pakistani movies most of the time. I ve been there a few times with my little ones and never thought that its a place for drug and gang related crimes. May be its some other reason behind this brawl. Anyone local to the area?

 

[in_cutter]

Normally at this time of the year they have kids rides and funfair outside the Star city also the cinema has some Indian & Pakistani movies most of the time. I ve been there a few times with my little ones and never thought that its a place for drug and gang related crimes. May be its some other reason behind this brawl. Anyone local to the area?

Incidents such a this are a one-off.

It wad basically kids vs kids. Nothing more to it.

 

[Saj]

Star City is normally a nice place with a good atmosphere. Some very nice restaurants there.

This place is a favourite of Pakistani cricket teams.

 

[MenInG]

A film about gangs has been removed by a cinema chain following a large brawl at one of its venues.

Seven officers were injured after police were called to Star City in Birmingham on Saturday evening following reports of youths with machetes.

A 13-year-old girl was among five teenagers who have been arrested following the disturbance.

More than 100 people were at the Vue cinema and "pockets of fighting" broke out as officers tried to clear the area, West Midlands Police said.

A senior police chief said the disorder "may be the worst thing" the responding officers had ever seen.

The chain has confirmed that Blue Story will no longer be shown in any of its 91 outlets in the UK and Ireland.

The movie is about two friends on rival sides in a London gangland war. It has a 15 rating for very strong language, strong violence, threat, sex, and drug misuse.

The 13-year-old, along with another girl and a boy, both aged 14, as well as a 19-year-old man, were arrested on suspicion of assaulting police. Another 14-year-old boy was arrested on suspicion of obstructing police.

Officers went to the entertainment complex in the Nechells area just after 5.30pm following reports that a group with machetes had arrived.

Undated handout videograb showing police officers inside the Star City cinema in Birmingham after a large brawl broke out resulting in a number of police officers being assaulted.

Asked if he was concerned about the ages of those involved, Mr Graham said: "It is concerning."

A dispersal order was put in place, allowing police to arrest anyone who did not leave the area - which was largely cleared by 9pm.

Three officers suffered minor face injuries in the incident, and as well as seizing two machetes, police also recovered a knife from a roundabout close to the cinema.

Police are working to understand why trouble broke out at the venue.

Witnesses say that police attended the scene with firearms, Tasers and police dogs.

The cinema remained closed for the rest of the evening.

A Vue spokesman said: "We can confirm a decision was made to remove the film. The safety and welfare of our customers and staff is always our first priority."

Police said that they did not recommend the film was removed.

Chief Superintendent Graham said: "We've made no recommendations to Vue at all. If they choose to continue showing it, that's a matter for them."

His colleague Superintendent Ian Green said of the violence: "This was a major outbreak of trouble which left families who were just trying to enjoy a night out at the cinema understandably frightened.

"We worked quickly to move the crowds on, but were met with a very hostile response and officers had to draw Tasers to restore order.

"Thankfully, the injuries to our officers were very minor. We've also recovered two machetes and a knife, and it's clear that some of those who went to Star City last night were intent on causing trouble."

He added that: "We understand that families with young children will have been left upset by what they saw last night, but we urge people to appreciate that our aim last night was to protect the public and restore order, and that's what we achieved."

Police have been looking at images and video of the incident on social media, and called on anybody who has pictures or footage of the incident to come forward.

https://news.sky.com/story/birmingh...rested-after-machete-brawl-at-cinema-11868986

 

[WC-Passion]

It's pretty disgraceful to see this happen, but I can't say I'm surprised. Crime that involves knives and machetes have been on the rise for a while now and the issue of disturbed youth in cities like Birmingham and London is a big problem.

 

[msaaim89]

It's pretty disgraceful to see this happen, but I can't say I'm surprised. Crime that involves knives and machetes have been on the rise for a while now and the issue of disturbed youth in cities like Birmingham and London is a big problem.

And it will only continue to rise as they know they will get away with it.

 

[PakLFC]

Are the Pakistani gangs mostly made of Mirpuris in Birmingham?

 

[MenInG]

Showcase Cinemas has reversed its decision to cancel all screenings of the gangland film Blue Story.

The chain said it was reinstating the London street war drama with extra security after "careful consideration and discussions with the distributor", just hours after it was pulled from its multiplexes across the country.

Showcase had announced it would be following rival firm Vue in banning the film, with the latter having revealed more than a dozen of its cinemas had faced problems linked to its release.

In an updated statement released on Monday night, Showcase said: "We took the decision to temporarily suspend screenings of Blue Story to enable us to assess the situation.

"After careful consideration and discussions with the distributor in the last 24 hours, we have come up with a plan to reinstate screenings supported with increased security protocols and will be doing so from this evening."

The statement added that the safety of guests and staff was the "absolute priority", with concerns around the film having arisen following reports of young people with machetes at a Vue cinema in Birmingham on Saturday.

Vue later announced that it was withdrawing the film, despite having implemented increased security, reducing the number of showings and completely removing late-night screenings.

Seven police officers were injured in the mass brawl on Saturday evening, which was thought to involve 100 people close to the cinema, and five teenagers were arrested - including a 13-year-old girl.

West Midlands Police said it made no recommendations about pulling the 15-rated film, which is centred on two friends from different areas of south London who end up on rival sides of a gang war.

Producer BBC Films described it as an "outstanding, critically acclaimed debut feature which powerfully depicts the futility of gang violence", while distributor Paramount Pictures said it was "an important film".

Director and writer Andrew Onwubolu, who is known as Rapman, also spoke out on Instagram on Sunday.

He said the incident in Birmingham was "unfortunate", but said he hoped it would not reflect on the film.

"Sending love to all those involved in yesterday's violence at Star City in Birmingham," he said.

"It's truly unfortunate that a small group of people can ruin things for everybody.

"Blue Story is a film about love not violence."

Onwubolu compared the release of Blue Story to that of Joker, citing a "few incidents" surrounding that film, with one US cinema cancelling screenings following what was described as a "credible" threat.

Joker went on to become one of the most critically-acclaimed releases of the year and the most profitable comic book film ever made, as well as the highest-grossing R-rated film of all-time.

Onwubolu said: "It's always unfortunate, but I hope that the blame is placed with the individuals and not an indictment of the film itself. I pray we can all learn to live with love and treat each other with tolerance and respect."

https://news.sky.com/story/blue-sto...s-screenings-with-increased-security-11870518

 

[za1ntc]

Are the Pakistani gangs mostly made of Mirpuris in Birmingham?

yes and gujratis

 

[Technics 1210]

So kids age of 13 and 14 get caught, trying to watch a movie rated 15! You could not make this up! )

 

[Captain caveman]

I went to watch frozen 2 in East Didsbury yesterday

The scariest moment was probably our 2 year old standing on her chair

Wow, i used to live in east didsbury 30 years ago, all they was, was a tescos, theres a cinema there now?

 

[Captain caveman]

You are from the uk and you don't know about birmingham? Pakistani gangs practically rule the city of Birmingham

No mirpuri gang rules birmingham lol!
Alum rock is the only area that mirpuris gangs run wild in, and thats because its nearly all mirpiuri.
Nothing to be proud of!

 

[Captain caveman]

yes and gujratis

First time i am hearing about gujratis gangs, are you lying?

 

[Captain caveman]

Are the Pakistani gangs mostly made of Mirpuris in Birmingham?

Yes 100%!

 

[Captain caveman]

This incident has. nothing to do with mirpuris or pakistanis, theres videos on youtube, watch them and you will see

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

First time i am hearing about gujratis gangs, are you lying?

First time I'm hearing it as well. Sounds unlikely.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Probably Leicester would ve any Gujrati gangs coz there is is a big Gujju community there. As for Alumn Rock i agree, i once went to wardend park with my kids and could see the gangsta types hanging around there. Despite all this I like Alumn Rock, good food joints there now a days.

 

[TSA321]

Probably Leicester would ve any Gujrati gangs coz there is is a big Gujju community there. As for Alumn Rock i agree, i once went to wardend park with my kids and could see the gangsta types hanging around there. Despite all this I like Alumn Rock, good food joints there now a days.

Maybe he was referring to the Gujrat in Pakistan as opposed to Gujarat.

 

[Captain caveman]

Maybe he was referring to the Gujrat in Pakistan as opposed to Gujarat.

Most pakistanis in birmingham, as in the whole of the uk, are actually kahmiris and mainly mirpuris, with some fom kotli and dadyal.
Nowadaay, these guys dont like to be referred to as pakistanis but kashmiris from azad kashmir. Back in the day, in the 80s, all mirpuris used to call themselves pakistanis, but not now. It is one of the reasons that i am not that interested in the kashmir dispute, Pakistan is wasting vital resources that can be spent on its own population, on this dispute. But i guess most of the pakistani army is made up of patwari or pathans who have an association with kashmiris.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Wow, i used to live in east didsbury 30 years ago, all they was, was a tescos, theres a cinema there now?

It’s a big complex
Has it’s own metro link station too

 

[PakLFC]

Yes 100%!

I thought so. These people give all Pakistanis a terrible name.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are the Pakistani gangs mostly made of Mirpuris in Birmingham?

Those days have long gone. Its all mixed now but these are not real gangs but kids who get together in numbers. The real gangs which are involved in organised crime will not be fighting in a cinema.

These are just kids who are the same as thousands of children who live like hooligans. They are known as chavs who hang around in large numbers with nothing much to do, failures in schools and generally have little clue of the real world.

There have been 30 odd incidents at cinemas around this movie, this isn't an isolated incident. Vue have removed the film and rightly so, the ordinary families attending cinema should be protected.

Btw these gangs films wont change the young people they are aimed. They bought out Top Boy on Netflix but instead of realising the message, many youths think gang crime is cool!

 

[Captain caveman]

I thought so. These people give all Pakistanis a terrible name.

This particular incident had nothing to do with mirpuris.
I know alot of mirpuris, some are really decent people, but like every group, you will have your bad apples. The problem with mirpuris is that they have more bad apples than other groups and it is these low lifes who are bringing down the names of not just pakistanis, but the decent , hardworking, law abiding mirpuris as well. I guess the difference is that the general public do not know the difference between pakistanis and mirpuris, so the general public sees the lowlife mirpuris as lowlife pakistanis.
Before i get a barrage of abuse from mirpuris on this forum, yes there is plenty of pakistanis lowlifes as well, but the % of the population of pakistani lowlifes is far less than the % of mirpuri lowlifes by population. I have taken into account that the population of mirpuris in the uk is approx. 4 times the population of pakistanis, that why i have taken into account the % by population.

 

[PakLFC]

This particular incident had nothing to do with mirpuris.
I know alot of mirpuris, some are really decent people, but like every group, you will have your bad apples. The problem with mirpuris is that they have more bad apples than other groups and it is these low lifes who are bringing down the names of not just pakistanis, but the decent , hardworking, law abiding mirpuris as well. I guess the difference is that the general public do not know the difference between pakistanis and mirpuris, so the general public sees the lowlife mirpuris as lowlife pakistanis.
Before i get a barrage of abuse from mirpuris on this forum, yes there is plenty of pakistanis lowlifes as well, but the % of the population of pakistani lowlifes is far less than the % of mirpuri lowlifes by population. I have taken into account that the population of mirpuris in the uk is approx. 4 times the population of pakistanis, that why i have taken into account the % by population.

This is the main problem that they have more illiterate and gangster wannabe's then other Pak communities. There are bad Punjabi's and Pathan's etc as well no doubt about it however most of the time after doing some research the perpetrators are of Mirpuri background. Those from that community should do something about it instead of attacking those who point out this fact. Places like Birmingham and Bradford have a reputation for crime ciz of these people I am afraid. We see that in the UK wherever these are less of them the place has a much better reputation.

 

[PakLFC]

Those days have long gone. Its all mixed now but these are not real gangs but kids who get together in numbers. The real gangs which are involved in organised crime will not be fighting in a cinema.

These are just kids who are the same as thousands of children who live like hooligans. They are known as chavs who hang around in large numbers with nothing much to do, failures in schools and generally have little clue of the real world.

There have been 30 odd incidents at cinemas around this movie, this isn't an isolated incident. Vue have removed the film and rightly so, the ordinary families attending cinema should be protected.

Btw these gangs films wont change the young people they are aimed. They bought out Top Boy on Netflix but instead of realising the message, many youths think gang crime is cool!

In this incident the perpetrators could be kids it seems. Parents should be held responsible if such so called kid's create trouble. Black kid's are also heavily involved in crime as well.

 

[Captain caveman]

This is the main problem that they have more illiterate and gangster wannabe's then other Pak communities. There are bad Punjabi's and Pathan's etc as well no doubt about it however most of the time after doing some research the perpetrators are of Mirpuri background. Those from that community should do something about it instead of attacking those who point out this fact. Places like Birmingham and Bradford have a reputation for crime ciz of these people I am afraid. We see that in the UK wherever these are less of them the place has a much better reputation.

I absolutely agree!
The problem i have noticed is that these people live in denial. The parents and family will live in denial that their sons are doing these bad things, even if you show them indisputable evidence that they are.
A couple examples are the grooming cases in the uk, where the family of the perpertators just blatantly rejected the courts decision, regardless of the over amounting evidence to prove their sons/brothers guilt.
Another example is salman butt, who lives in lahore but is of kashmiri heritage, where he himself and his family continued to protest his innocence even after the over amounting evidence proving his guilt.

The first step for mirpuris is to accept the reality that they have a massive problem with criminality in their community and not just deny it. Or worse still, go on the offensive and attack other communities like us pakistanis.

But the worrying thing i have noticed and i know literally 1000s and 1000s of mirpuris, is that they love money. Yes most people do, but when your son is buying a brand new 40 grand mercedes and his only 22 years old and on benefits, the alarm bells should be ringing!!
Instead the parents are praising their kids and the mothers are boasting about all the gold bangles their sons have bought for them, worth thousands of pounds, but their son is on benefits(lol!) They will tell you he is doing business on the side and we all know what business he is doing lol!

 

[Knight_Rider]

Came across this interesting article (which is not meant to bash the BritPakistanis in B'ham but just to reflect on the overall judgmental attitude of the British people in general)…

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/new...ritain-study-shows/ar-BBXogRh?ocid=spartanntp

 

[Knight_Rider]

I absolutely agree!
The problem i have noticed is that these people live in denial. The parents and family will live in denial that their sons are doing these bad things, even if you show them indisputable evidence that they are.
A couple examples are the grooming cases in the uk, where the family of the perpertators just blatantly rejected the courts decision, regardless of the over amounting evidence to prove their sons/brothers guilt.
Another example is salman butt, who lives in lahore but is of kashmiri heritage, where he himself and his family continued to protest his innocence even after the over amounting evidence proving his guilt.

The first step for mirpuris is to accept the reality that they have a massive problem with criminality in their community and not just deny it. Or worse still, go on the offensive and attack other communities like us pakistanis.

But the worrying thing i have noticed and i know literally 1000s and 1000s of mirpuris, is that they love money. Yes most people do, but when your son is buying a brand new 40 grand mercedes and his only 22 years old and on benefits, the alarm bells should be ringing!!
Instead the parents are praising their kids and the mothers are boasting about all the gold bangles their sons have bought for them, worth thousands of pounds, but their son is on benefits(lol!) They will tell you he is doing business on the side and we all know what business he is doing lol!

I think Mirpuris are not different than Pakistanis from other parts of the country (that share the same demographical and Social profile). Its just that they happen to be the biggest subgroup of Pakistanis in the UK, hence are more in numbers proportionally.

If you pick anyone from the same rural and working class background, who has no clear understanding of opportunities countries like UK have to offer (beyond the Factory work) plus have to face all the other social mobility challenges, that even working class Whites have to face, they will all be in similar situation.

I have lived in Europe and in many countries like Spain, Netherlands, Germany and France there are almost no Mirpuris but the Pakistanis in there are known for similar sort of activities like gang violence and drug trafficking. Just last month there was big gang fight between Pakistani Drug gangs in Barcelona. People were injured with knives and machetes on Subway stations (google it).

All in all our community in general need to come out this cycle of deprivation and hopelessness. Focus on education and avail the opportunities all around them.

 

[za1ntc]

Maybe he was referring to the Gujrat in Pakistan as opposed to Gujarat.

Gujrat in Pakistan of course. Gujratis from akistan are very backward even in the UK.

 

[za1ntc]

No mirpuri gang rules birmingham lol!
Alum rock is the only area that mirpuris gangs run wild in, and thats because its nearly all mirpiuri.
Nothing to be proud of!

LOL. Bham is run by Pakistanis and Somalis. This is fact. When i say run, i mean who runs the streets, the streets are owned by Pakistanis and Somalis. The Somalis are more ruthless as they can leave their families and go out their solo and not have to look back, don't have to worry about protecting their family. If they get involved with someone too dangerous.

The Pakistanis however still are the top dogs mainly due to the larger population in the city, also the Pakistanis are more street smart and know the loopholes in avoiding the law, as we all have experienced even in Pakistan, Pakistanis minds work best on how to avoid laws and regulations.

But as Pakistanis still like to lead a normal family life, when things go wrong and they are dealing with someone too high up on the ladder, Pakistanis look to leave the game as they cant fathom criminals turning up at their house and hurting their mother and sister, which is what will happen when it comes to gang wars.

Only last Ramadan or the ramadan before, a young Pakistani fella was stabbed to death in front of his mother in broad day light during ramadan due to an unpaid drug debt.

Amir khan thought he was a big man and got put in his lace by bham gangsters, this is the truth, bradford is the same, although in bradford nobody would ever commit such a crime in ramadan, even the criminals in bradford have some sort of honour and principle, bham due to the big city atmosphere is a different playground.

In the current climate, even Manchester is beginning to be dominated by Pakistanis gangs, even though it has a history of extremely violent black gangs as well as the brutal white Salford gangs, but then again the lives the whites and black lead doesn't allow them to accrue the money they make. The Pakistanis are smarter with their illegal earnings and thus the power shift is occurring. More money means more power.

 

[in_cutter]

LOL. Bham is run by Pakistanis and Somalis. This is fact. When i say run, i mean who runs the streets, the streets are owned by Pakistanis and Somalis. The Somalis are more ruthless as they can leave their families and go out their solo and not have to look back, don't have to worry about protecting their family. If they get involved with someone too dangerous.

The Pakistanis however still are the top dogs mainly due to the larger population in the city, also the Pakistanis are more street smart and know the loopholes in avoiding the law, as we all have experienced even in Pakistan, Pakistanis minds work best on how to avoid laws and regulations.

But as Pakistanis still like to lead a normal family life, when things go wrong and they are dealing with someone too high up on the ladder, Pakistanis look to leave the game as they cant fathom criminals turning up at their house and hurting their mother and sister, which is what will happen when it comes to gang wars.

Only last Ramadan or the ramadan before, a young Pakistani fella was stabbed to death in front of his mother in broad day light during ramadan due to an unpaid drug debt.

Amir khan thought he was a big man and got put in his lace by bham gangsters, this is the truth, bradford is the same, although in bradford nobody would ever commit such a crime in ramadan, even the criminals in bradford have some sort of honour and principle, bham due to the big city atmosphere is a different playground.

In the current climate, even Manchester is beginning to be dominated by Pakistanis gangs, even though it has a history of extremely violent black gangs as well as the brutal white Salford gangs, but then again the lives the whites and black lead doesn't allow them to accrue the money they make. The Pakistanis are smarter with their illegal earnings and thus the power shift is occurring. More money means more power.

Wannabe ‘gangsters’.

 

[Captain caveman]

LOL. Bham is run by Pakistanis and Somalis. This is fact. When i say run, i mean who runs the streets, the streets are owned by Pakistanis and Somalis. The Somalis are more ruthless as they can leave their families and go out their solo and not have to look back, don't have to worry about protecting their family. If they get involved with someone too dangerous.

The Pakistanis however still are the top dogs mainly due to the larger population in the city, also the Pakistanis are more street smart and know the loopholes in avoiding the law, as we all have experienced even in Pakistan, Pakistanis minds work best on how to avoid laws and regulations.

But as Pakistanis still like to lead a normal family life, when things go wrong and they are dealing with someone too high up on the ladder, Pakistanis look to leave the game as they cant fathom criminals turning up at their house and hurting their mother and sister, which is what will happen when it comes to gang wars.

Only last Ramadan or the ramadan before, a young Pakistani fella was stabbed to death in front of his mother in broad day light during ramadan due to an unpaid drug debt.

Amir khan thought he was a big man and got put in his lace by bham gangsters, this is the truth, bradford is the same, although in bradford nobody would ever commit such a crime in ramadan, even the criminals in bradford have some sort of honour and principle, bham due to the big city atmosphere is a different playground.

In the current climate, even Manchester is beginning to be dominated by Pakistanis gangs, even though it has a history of extremely violent black gangs as well as the brutal white Salford gangs, but then again the lives the whites and black lead doesn't allow them to accrue the money they make. The Pakistanis are smarter with their illegal earnings and thus the power shift is occurring. More money means more power.

Are you a fantasist?
Everything you wrote is absolute rubbish.
I think this brother is from birmingham [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], maybe he can shed some light on the situation is brum.

 

[Captain caveman]

I think Mirpuris are not different than Pakistanis from other parts of the country (that share the same demographical and Social profile). Its just that they happen to be the biggest subgroup of Pakistanis in the UK, hence are more in numbers proportionally.

If you pick anyone from the same rural and working class background, who has no clear understanding of opportunities countries like UK have to offer (beyond the Factory work) plus have to face all the other social mobility challenges, that even working class Whites have to face, they will all be in similar situation.

I have lived in Europe and in many countries like Spain, Netherlands, Germany and France there are almost no Mirpuris but the Pakistanis in there are known for similar sort of activities like gang violence and drug trafficking. Just last month there was big gang fight between Pakistani Drug gangs in Barcelona. People were injured with knives and machetes on Subway stations (google it).

All in all our community in general need to come out this cycle of deprivation and hopelessness. Focus on education and avail the opportunities all around them.

Very interesting.
Lowlifes are lowlifes, whether they are mirpuri, pakistani, indian etc.
In my experience i have met nice, decent, respectable, hardworking mirpuris but in the uk there is definetly a disproportionate number of mirpuris that are lowlifes.
These pakistanis you talk about in other countries are they patwari? eg from jhellum, rawalpindi, gujar khan etc .
Are they pathans,? As pathans in the uk are involved in crime, theres just not that many of them in comparrison to mirpuris.
Or are they punjabis or sindhis?
I think you will find all of these groups have their lowlife criminals, but mirpuris have a greater percentage.
I have been to barcelona, and nearly all the pakistanis i met there were mirpuris or from kotli or dadyal!
I have also been to france, but only to eurodisney, so didnt really meet any local pakistanis/kashmiris.

As for the small towns you talk about, i know a few pakistanis from sheikpura, pindi bhattia etc and none of them or their families are invoved in crime. Some have blue collar jobs, but their kids are at university. There is a definite different mentality between many mirpuris and pakistanis. I can always tell the difference in a mirpuris mindset and a pakistani mindset, mirpuris are always looking for a shortcut to success, not all but most. Some pakistanis are also the same but much fewer.
Ok let me be completely honest, and apologies if i offend anyone, but mirpuris are generally less intelligent than other pakistanis academically, but they are very sly/streetwise(chalak). I know this sounds like a stereotype, but i honestly know thousands of mirpuris and this is what i have experienced. I know so many that even though i am punjabi, i can speak patwari, due to knowing so many of these guys.

 

[za1ntc]

Are you a fantasist?
Everything you wrote is absolute rubbish.
I think this brother is from birmingham [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION], maybe he can shed some light on the situation is brum.

I've lived the life, alhamdulillah i am on a different path now, i don't know which world you live in? Your living in dreamland.

This is the reality, our youth is in trouble, they are drug dealers, and drug addicts, there are more Pakistani/Muslim drug addicts as a percentage of the population than any other demographic. There are more as a percentage of the population of our youth in mental institutions caused by drug abuse than any other demographic. (the other points can't be supported by data but there is easily research able data backing this point)

There are more Pakistanis/Muslims in UK prisons compared to the size of our population than any other demographic, again you can verify this, you have access to the internet, it is not difficult to find data supporting this point.

This is the reality my brothers, you may be living the fairy tale life and are oblivious to the suffering of our youth, this is the reality we live in.

 

[za1ntc]

This is the sort of rubbish that appeals to our youth.
This is the life they live.
They think they are doing it, making it, living life.
It is shocking hardly anyone is aware about what their sons, daughters, nephews get upto outside the house.

 

[Captain caveman]

I've lived the life, alhamdulillah i am on a different path now, i don't know which world you live in? Your living in dreamland.

This is the reality, our youth is in trouble, they are drug dealers, and drug addicts, there are more Pakistani/Muslim drug addicts as a percentage of the population than any other demographic. There are more as a percentage of the population of our youth in mental institutions caused by drug abuse than any other demographic. (the other points can't be supported by data but there is easily research able data backing this point)

There are more Pakistanis/Muslims in UK prisons compared to the size of our population than any other demographic, again you can verify this, you have access to the internet, it is not difficult to find data supporting this point.

This is the reality my brothers, you may be living the fairy tale life and are oblivious to the suffering of our youth, this is the reality we live in.

You lived the life?
When you say pakistanis, do you mean mirpuris?
Are you a mirpuri?
Do you live in alum rock?
What suffering is occurring to our youth?
Are you a drug addict?
Do you have a mental disorder?
Where were your parents when you were living the life?
Do you think every pakistani/ mirpuri is a drug addict?
What suffering is occurring to our youth?
Do you think our youth have it any worse than any other youth in the uk? If so why?
Are you a fantasist, who has watched too many spike lee movies ?
Do you think you are the pakistani tony montana?
Have you any formal qualifications?
Do you really think you represent the pakistani/mipuri community?

 

[Knight_Rider]

Very interesting.
Lowlifes are lowlifes, whether they are mirpuri, pakistani, indian etc.
In my experience i have met nice, decent, respectable, hardworking mirpuris but in the uk there is definetly a disproportionate number of mirpuris that are lowlifes.
These pakistanis you talk about in other countries are they patwari? eg from jhellum, rawalpindi, gujar khan etc .
Are they pathans,? As pathans in the uk are involved in crime, theres just not that many of them in comparrison to mirpuris.
Or are they punjabis or sindhis?
I think you will find all of these groups have their lowlife criminals, but mirpuris have a greater percentage.
I have been to barcelona, and nearly all the pakistanis i met there were mirpuris or from kotli or dadyal!
I have also been to france, but only to eurodisney, so didnt really meet any local pakistanis/kashmiris.

As for the small towns you talk about, i know a few pakistanis from sheikpura, pindi bhattia etc and none of them or their families are invoved in crime. Some have blue collar jobs, but their kids are at university. There is a definite different mentality between many mirpuris and pakistanis. I can always tell the difference in a mirpuris mindset and a pakistani mindset, mirpuris are always looking for a shortcut to success, not all but most. Some pakistanis are also the same but much fewer.
Ok let me be completely honest, and apologies if i offend anyone, but mirpuris are generally less intelligent than other pakistanis academically, but they are very sly/streetwise(chalak). I know this sounds like a stereotype, but i honestly know thousands of mirpuris and this is what i have experienced. I know so many that even though i am punjabi, i can speak patwari, due to knowing so many of these guys.

Very strange post. It sounds like you ve personal bias and disdain of Mirpuris for some reason. Hence making these claims based of ‘your feelings’ and without citing any evidence or research to back it up.

As for Pakistanis in other parts of Europe, in my observation almost all are from Punjab proper like Gujranwala, Sialkot, Faisalabad and Gujrat etc. I ve rarely met potoharis. In places like Germany, Italy and Spain there are hoards of these Punjabis on political asylums and engaged in all sort of questionable activities. Even in UK many are from these parts of Punjab and engaged in the crimes you mentioned. To an outsider it seems that its some kind of culture in Punjab to somehow go abroad illegally through agents and once there do whatever it takes to get the ‘papers’ (not just Pakistani Punjabis but also Indian ones) are known for it.

 

[Knight_Rider]

You lived the life?
When you say pakistanis, do you mean mirpuris?
Are you a mirpuri?
Do you live in alum rock?
What suffering is occurring to our youth?
Are you a drug addict?
Do you have a mental disorder?
Where were your parents when you were living the life?
Do you think every pakistani/ mirpuri is a drug addict?
What suffering is occurring to our youth?
Do you think our youth have it any worse than any other youth in the uk? If so why?
Are you a fantasist, who has watched too many spike lee movies ?
Do you think you are the pakistani tony montana?
Have you any formal qualifications?
Do you really think you represent the pakistani/mipuri community?

I was also thinking the same that it sounds like someone a bit mentally insane or disturbed. I ve Family in Alum Rock and ve been going there regularly for over 20 years. Never ever witnessed the crazy gang scene mentioned in that strange post. All i ve seen is occasionally some Yobs in wardend park or a group of youngsters in takeaways.

 

[Captain caveman]

Very strange post. It sounds like you ve personal bias and disdain of Mirpuris for some reason. Hence making these claims based of ‘your feelings’ and without citing any evidence or research to back it up.

As for Pakistanis in other parts of Europe, in my observation almost all are from Punjab proper like Gujranwala, Sialkot, Faisalabad and Gujrat etc. I ve rarely met potoharis. In places like Germany, Italy and Spain there are hoards of these Punjabis on political asylums and engaged in all sort of questionable activities. Even in UK many are from these parts of Punjab and engaged in the crimes you mentioned. To an outsider it seems that its some kind of culture in Punjab to somehow go abroad illegally through agents and once there do whatever it takes to get the ‘papers’ (not just Pakistani Punjabis but also Indian ones) are known for it.

I have no disdain for mirpuris, i have many, many close mirpuri friends, some of which i have known for almost 40 years. I went to mosque as a kid with mirpuris and we played cricket together and grew up together, but alot of them started to change when they hit their late teens and started to do things and go down a path i found shocking. I almost married a mirpuri girl and i have relatives married to mirpuris.
What i am saying is from my own personal experience, i do not need to look up any figures, though i am sure if i did, the figures would support me.
I can really only speak about the uk, i dont know about the other european countries, apart from spending a few days in barcelona, where i met quite a few mirpuris .
I have claimed throughout that lowlifes exist in every community, but refering to the uk specifically, then it is mostly the mirpuris who are involved in criminality out of the pakistani/ kashmiri community, but its not exclusively mirpuris, punjabis and pathans are also involved, but in far fewer numbers and in less a % of their population compared to the % population of mirpuris.
If i offended you i apologise, it was not my attention, i was just being honest and sometimes the truth is bitter
Also, many of my older mirpuri friends would back up what i am saying, and they too feel ashamed by the behaviour of some of their youth.

 

[Captain caveman]

I was also thinking the same that it sounds like someone a bit mentally insane or disturbed. I ve Family in Alum Rock and ve been going there regularly for over 20 years. Never ever witnessed the crazy gang scene mentioned in that strange post. All i ve seen is occasionally some Yobs in wardend park or a group of youngsters in takeaways.

There are some genuine bad apples in alum rock, but if you go in the day time on the main high street, you would be ok, but i would not recommend hanging out there in the evening or night time.

 

[Captain caveman]

I have no disdain for mirpuris, i have many, many close mirpuri friends, some of which i have known for almost 40 years. I went to mosque as a kid with mirpuris and we played cricket together and grew up together, but alot of them started to change when they hit their late teens and started to do things and go down a path i found shocking. I almost married a mirpuri girl and i have relatives married to mirpuris.
What i am saying is from my own personal experience, i do not need to look up any figures, though i am sure if i did, the figures would support me.
I can really only speak about the uk, i dont know about the other european countries, apart from spending a few days in barcelona, where i met quite a few mirpuris .
I have claimed throughout that lowlifes exist in every community, but refering to the uk specifically, then it is mostly the mirpuris who are involved in criminality out of the pakistani/ kashmiri community, but its not exclusively mirpuris, punjabis and pathans are also involved, but in far fewer numbers and in less a % of their population compared to the % population of mirpuris.
If i offended you i apologise, it was not my attention, i was just being honest and sometimes the truth is bitter
Also, many of my older mirpuri friends would back up what i am saying, and they too feel ashamed by the behaviour of some of their youth.

*intention

 

[Knight_Rider]

???
I frequently go to the Lahore Restaurant on Alum rock (amongst others near Saltely roundabout) and ve never witnessed ‘those genuinely bad apples’. Yes there are occasionally a few drug dealer types here n there but that’s same for any other part of the country.

 

[za1ntc]

You lived the life?
When you say pakistanis, do you mean mirpuris?
Are you a mirpuri?
Do you live in alum rock?
What suffering is occurring to our youth?
Are you a drug addict?
Do you have a mental disorder?
Where were your parents when you were living the life?
Do you think every pakistani/ mirpuri is a drug addict?
What suffering is occurring to our youth?
Do you think our youth have it any worse than any other youth in the uk? If so why?
Are you a fantasist, who has watched too many spike lee movies ?
Do you think you are the pakistani tony montana?
Have you any formal qualifications?
Do you really think you represent the pakistani/mipuri community?

When i say pakistanis, i mean pakistanis, pakistanis include anyone who originates from any part of pakistan.

Have you mixed with these crowds? Have you done drugs? Have you done alcohol? Have you been clubbing? Have you lived the party life? Asking your opinion on such matters defeats the purpose, it would be like appointing a cricket coach as coach of a national team who has never played or associated with cricket his entire life.

Ask any taxi driver who are the biggest ballers on the club seen that they see on nights outs every night of the week? Pakistanis.

Have you frequented bars and clubs in Manchester? In Liverpool? In Birmingham? Our youth are the ballers in these clubs, the biggest spenders, who get all the big tables and the big money bottles.

The issue is not limited to the Men, a lot of our females lead double lives, the amount of pakistanis on the club scene, getting drugged and ****** up on a daily is higher than you would like to believe.

Read your post, you can't string 2 sentences together and I have a mental disorder, did you even read my post and what it says, does it say anything about EVERY PERSON being a drug addict, i'm talking facts here, the percentage will be low in terms of the entire population, im just saying its higher than any other demographic in the country.

I'll say this much, a very high percentage of pakistanis have smoked or tried weed, its a normal thing in this country, a lot of the youth in my age first started smoking in secondary school at very young ages and this was at least 10 years ago, now it is a lot worse for the youth, they think it isnt as bad as hard drugs, but can lose their way very easily and thus get dragged into this life to feed their habit.

I'm saying our people are naive and think our youth are as innocent as them, they are not, they lead double lifes, and are stuck in all sorts of bad habits, the mosques do not wish to speak on these matters as they think it leaves a black mark on the reputation of their population.

 

[za1ntc]

???
I frequently go to the Lahore Restaurant on Alum rock (amongst others near Saltely roundabout) and ve never witnessed ‘those genuinely bad apples’. Yes there are occasionally a few drug dealer types here n there but that’s same for any other part of the country.

what do you think they are gonna have a i am a criminal sign on their forehead? or are they going to be laying low, and trying not to draw attention?

Getting hold of what a person need to fulfill their habit is as easy as buying candy from the local corner shop these days, this should give you a good insight into the current climate of the drug scene.

 

[za1ntc]

Where do 12 year old males and females from the pakistani population get the balls to go into a public place holding machetes and fight with police?

 

[za1ntc]

I think i have proved my point. Don't @ me unless you got something useful to come back with.

 

[Captain caveman]

???
I frequently go to the Lahore Restaurant on Alum rock (amongst others near Saltely roundabout) and ve never witnessed ‘those genuinely bad apples’. Yes there are occasionally a few drug dealer types here n there but that’s same for any other part of the country.

Those are the guys i am on about.
Its not a good idea to go with your family at night, just my opinion.

 

[Captain caveman]

When i say pakistanis, i mean pakistanis, pakistanis include anyone who originates from any part of pakistan.

Have you mixed with these crowds? Have you done drugs? Have you done alcohol? Have you been clubbing? Have you lived the party life? Asking your opinion on such matters defeats the purpose, it would be like appointing a cricket coach as coach of a national team who has never played or associated with cricket his entire life.

Ask any taxi driver who are the biggest ballers on the club seen that they see on nights outs every night of the week? Pakistanis.

Have you frequented bars and clubs in Manchester? In Liverpool? In Birmingham? Our youth are the ballers in these clubs, the biggest spenders, who get all the big tables and the big money bottles.

The issue is not limited to the Men, a lot of our females lead double lives, the amount of pakistanis on the club scene, getting drugged and ****** up on a daily is higher than you would like to believe.

Read your post, you can't string 2 sentences together and I have a mental disorder, did you even read my post and what it says, does it say anything about EVERY PERSON being a drug addict, i'm talking facts here, the percentage will be low in terms of the entire population, im just saying its higher than any other demographic in the country.

I'll say this much, a very high percentage of pakistanis have smoked or tried weed, its a normal thing in this country, a lot of the youth in my age first started smoking in secondary school at very young ages and this was at least 10 years ago, now it is a lot worse for the youth, they think it isnt as bad as hard drugs, but can lose their way very easily and thus get dragged into this life to feed their habit.

I'm saying our people are naive and think our youth are as innocent as them, they are not, they lead double lifes, and are stuck in all sorts of bad habits, the mosques do not wish to speak on these matters as they think it leaves a black mark on the reputation of their population.

Lol! If you knew me you wouldnt ask such stupid questions.
Half of my school friends are in or have been in prison.
I am well aware of mirpuris smoking weed, the guys and girls, this is nothing new, its been happening since the 80s. Bradford might be run by mirpuris but london ,birmingham and manchester are run by black gangs, they are now more mixed with white and asians in the gang, but predominantly black.
Liverpool is run by white gangs.
And i have lived in all 4 cities so l know what i am talking about.
You are bigging up pakistanis/kashmiris as some bad rude boys, when most are just petty little criminals, they dont run any city apart from places like bradford , derby, telford, oldham, burnley, rochdale etc. The small towns, where they are in the majority out of the ethnics.
In any case, theres nothing to be proud about being the biggest criminals in any town or city!

You are confusing recreational drug users with drug addicts, and no pakistanis do not make the highest percentage of any demographic of drug addicts or even recreational drug users. That again would be white people and black people.
I get the feeling you have not really mixed with people outside yur own community and you are living in lala land.
Yes plenty of pakistanis/kashmiris are into criminality but you are trying to make them sound like the kingpins of organised crime, when most are low level petty criminals.
Anyway, you can continue living in your fantasy world. Nothing you have posted is new, i hear plenty of these bogus claims from mirpuri youths and guys in their 20s and 30s, i usually make a quick exit from such deluded people which is what i am going to do now.
Fyi the trouble at star city had nothing to do with pakistanis/kashmiris but black youths.

 

[za1ntc]

Lol! If you knew me you wouldnt ask such stupid questions.
Half of my school friends are in or have been in prison.
I am well aware of mirpuris smoking weed, the guys and girls, this is nothing new, its been happening since the 80s. Bradford might be run by mirpuris but london ,birmingham and manchester are run by black gangs, they are now more mixed with white and asians in the gang, but predominantly black.
Liverpool is run by white gangs.
And i have lived in all 4 cities so l know what i am talking about.
You are bigging up pakistanis/kashmiris as some bad rude boys, when most are just petty little criminals, they dont run any city apart from places like bradford , derby, telford, oldham, burnley, rochdale etc. The small towns, where they are in the majority out of the ethnics.
In any case, theres nothing to be proud about being the biggest criminals in any town or city!

You are confusing recreational drug users with drug addicts, and no pakistanis do not make the highest percentage of any demographic of drug addicts or even recreational drug users. That again would be white people and black people.
I get the feeling you have not really mixed with people outside yur own community and you are living in lala land.
Yes plenty of pakistanis/kashmiris are into criminality but you are trying to make them sound like the kingpins of organised crime, when most are low level petty criminals.
Anyway, you can continue living in your fantasy world. Nothing you have posted is new, i hear plenty of these bogus claims from mirpuri youths and guys in their 20s and 30s, i usually make a quick exit from such deluded people which is what i am going to do now.
Fyi the trouble at star city had nothing to do with pakistanis/kashmiris but black youths.

Sounds like you dont know **** about boxing.

My friend, there were gangs of 12 year old Pakistani children walking through there armed with machetes.

A simple google search will show you the evidence.

 

[za1ntc]

They are not recreational drug users, 90% of the Pakistani youth that smoke skunk marijuana are drug addicts, there is roven research linking skunk cannabis to mental health problems, You really don't know **** about boxing.

 

[Captain caveman]

They are not recreational drug users, 90% of the Pakistani youth that smoke skunk marijuana are drug addicts, there is roven research linking skunk cannabis to mental health problems, You really don't know **** about boxing.

The mental health link with cannabis is decades old. Thats why they call it dope!
Look kid everything you think you know that is fantastic and brand new, is decades old. And i already know about it, people have been smoking skunk from the early 90s, when you were in primary school!
Theres nothing you can tell me that i dont know.
These things have been going on for decades, you were either too young to know about it or not born!

 

[Captain caveman]

Sounds like you dont know **** about boxing.

My friend, there were gangs of 12 year old Pakistani children walking through there armed with machetes.

A simple google search will show you the evidence.

Forget google, watch the youtube videos and you will see it was not any pakistanis/kashmiris.

 

[Captain caveman]

Sounds like you dont know **** about boxing.

My friend, there were gangs of 12 year old Pakistani children walking through there armed with machetes.

A simple google search will show you the evidence.

Right, i went on youtube again to see what new videos have been uploaded about this incident. Initially when i looked on youtube a few days ago, there was just a video of a bunch of girls attacking a girl and some black youths getting involved.
Today, theres videos showing some stills of asian kids, 12/13 years old holding what looks like a blade of some sort. So from these new videos uploaded, it does seem you were correct .and i was incorrect, but its more a case of black, white and asian youths running a mock.
Anyway, pretty sad, but kids carrying weapons is nothing new, been going on for ages.

 

[za1ntc]

Right, i went on youtube again to see what new videos have been uploaded about this incident. Initially when i looked on youtube a few days ago, there was just a video of a bunch of girls attacking a girl and some black youths getting involved.
Today, theres videos showing some stills of asian kids, 12/13 years old holding what looks like a blade of some sort. So from these new videos uploaded, it does seem you were correct .and i was incorrect, but its more a case of black, white and asian youths running a mock.
Anyway, pretty sad, but kids carrying weapons is nothing new, been going on for ages.

12 year olds carrying machetes into cinemas is old? In which planet? Mars?

 

[za1ntc]

'r' kid, don't know why your bringing Pakistanis from kashmir into it again and again, you got an unhealthy obsession with them.

What you said is making no sense, you probably don't even know what 'skunk' means my OG.

Its Pakistanis in general, and yeah they run Birmingham, yeah they run Bradford, yeah they run half of Manchester.

 

[Captain caveman]

12 year olds carrying machetes into cinemas is old? In which planet? Mars?

I was refering to kids carrying weapons is nothing new, used to happen back in the day.

 

[Captain caveman]

'r' kid, don't know why your bringing Pakistanis from kashmir into it again and again, you got an unhealthy obsession with them.

What you said is making no sense, you probably don't even know what 'skunk' means my OG.

Its Pakistanis in general, and yeah they run Birmingham, yeah they run Bradford, yeah they run half of Manchester.

Skunk has been around since the early 90s!
You have a very immature idea of who runs what. No gangs run these places, but you live in your fantasy world and i live in the real world!

 

[Captain caveman]

'r' kid, don't know why your bringing Pakistanis from kashmir into it again and again, you got an unhealthy obsession with them.

What you said is making no sense, you probably don't even know what 'skunk' means my OG.

Its Pakistanis in general, and yeah they run Birmingham, yeah they run Bradford, yeah they run half of Manchester.

Mirpuris these days dont call themselves Pakistanis, they call themselves kashmiris or from AK(azad kashmir). Most that i know, want they own state and not be apart of Pakistan and definetly not be occupied by india.

 

[za1ntc]

Skunk has been around since the early 90s!
You have a very immature idea of who runs what. No gangs run these places, but you live in your fantasy world and i live in the real world!

you're a bit out of touch with the modern world unfortunately, old boy.

 

[Captain caveman]

you're a bit out of touch with the modern world unfortunately, old boy.

Sure whatever, i know more about the world then you ever will!

 

[Knight_Rider]

The intention of the thread was not to start a psycho war here.

 

[Captain caveman]

The intention of the thread was not to start a psycho war here.

Sorry bro!
I really should have let it go, but some people are so cuckoo, that they can make you go nuts too.
But i will stop now!

 

[Knight_Rider]

Thanks Bhai. There is not much point in carrying on.

 

[za1ntc]

Mirpuris these days dont call themselves Pakistanis, they call themselves kashmiris or from AK(azad kashmir). Most that i know, want they own state and not be apart of Pakistan and definetly not be occupied by india.

lies, why create division? you should be spreading love and bring groups together, not divide and isolate

what is the need for such statements?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I've lived the life, alhamdulillah i am on a different path now, i don't know which world you live in? Your living in dreamland.

This is the reality, our youth is in trouble, they are drug dealers, and drug addicts, there are more Pakistani/Muslim drug addicts as a percentage of the population than any other demographic. There are more as a percentage of the population of our youth in mental institutions caused by drug abuse than any other demographic. (the other points can't be supported by data but there is easily research able data backing this point)

There are more Pakistanis/Muslims in UK prisons compared to the size of our population than any other demographic, again you can verify this, you have access to the internet, it is not difficult to find data supporting this point.

This is the reality my brothers, you may be living the fairy tale life and are oblivious to the suffering of our youth, this is the reality we live in.

Are you from Bham?

Higher Muslim prisoners is due to the halal food which is better than the usual rubbish.

Crime is linked to poverty, lack of education, not much future prospects. It's not linked to race, colour , creed or ethnicity. This the real reality, BROTHER.

 

[Technics 1210]

Crime is linked to poverty, lack of education, not much future prospects. It's not linked to race, colour , creed or ethnicity. This the real reality, BROTHER.

Spot on.

 

[za1ntc]

What lack of education are you referring to? Are we talking about Birmingham? or Bahawalpur?
It is linked to the mentality of Pakistanis in general, they need guidance to change their way of thinking.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What lack of education are you referring to? Are we talking about Birmingham? or Bahawalpur?
It is linked to the mentality of Pakistanis in general, they need guidance to change their way of thinking.

Bahawalpur is really backward, but I don't think you get many gangsters hailing from that background.