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It's time Apple and Samsung stop calling their devices Smartphones and start calling them Digital Cameras (with cellular capability). Better camera, 3 lenses, 4K recording? These are the key features of the new Apple range?

Want a real smartphone with proper features? Switch to BlackBerry Key2. Best phone on the planet. I bought one yesterday [Had a KeyOne] and am in love with it.

The keyboard is an untapped potential goldmine. Absolutely amazing. The experience is way beyond the glass slabs of Apple and Samsung!

Anyone else a Blackberry fan here?
 
What does it have that the latest iPhone or pixel doesnt. Curious to know
 
The only reason it would beat other phones is for office use only where emails are to be written on phone , if that isn’t a requirement that the phone is a setback, at best i would say Production support in offices could use it or managers.

Apple and Samsung offer range of other features from games to connecting with family over video, great audio quality for music apps.

Lets not forget all of them have office apps as well, so for someone that will have access to laptop for even 2 hrs a day to send emails etc(rest can b taken care from iphone) , there is no point of investing in blackberry.
 
Apple and Samsung offer range of other features from games to connecting with family over video, great audio quality for music apps.

So does Blackberry.

Blackberry runs Android. I suggest you read up on it before passing comments above.
 
Yeah and ofcourse they are same level right as samsung or apple processing right , its not.

Don't change the argument, your first claim was - to quote you - Apple and Samsung offer range of other features from games to connecting with family over video, great audio quality for music apps.


For your info, Android 9.0, Pie, will be released for BB in the coming weeks.

It's ok, BB is a niche device, so I do not expect the common folk to know much about it.
 
Don't change the argument, your first claim was - to quote you - Apple and Samsung offer range of other features from games to connecting with family over video, great audio quality for music apps.


For your info, Android 9.0, Pie, will be released for BB in the coming weeks.

It's ok, BB is a niche device, so I do not expect the common folk to know much about it.

Yeah processing those apps is what it is, Samsung and Apple are better at it you are the ones that mocked em also I’ someone that bought a Samsung Wave 2 with Bada OS which i regretted, always have kept tabs on OS offered on what phone.

My view was on Blackberry phone , where did i say it wasn’t on Android.

But carry on with your mocking attitude without talking about how the phone interacts with the apps that require higher processing.
 
It is a good phone for those who prefer a physical keyboard. For everyone else, there is no real benefit over iPhone, Samsung and other Android brands. BlackBerry still has a place in the market because it is the only brand that offers good smartphones with physical keyboards. Plus the battery life tends to be excellent because they compromise on certain features unlike Apple, Samsung, Huawei etc.

Samsung have tried their hands on physical keyboards but their reviews are not great. This is clearly BlackBerry’s domain.
 
My view was on Blackberry phone , where did i say it wasn’t on Android.

The fact you claimed Apple and Samsung offer range of other features from games to connecting with family over video, great audio quality for music apps - tells me you had no idea.

Had you known BB runs Android, you would have known that Samsung and BB run the same OS. So same apps.

No? Am I wrong in my deduction? Name me these app you speak of then.
 
BBs are now made by TCL Corporation - the same company that makes the super cheap Alcatel and Thomson mobile phones you find in supermarkets. In the post RIM/Blackberry era are these handsets really comparable to Samsung/Google/Apple/Huawei ones?
 
Anyway, I digress.

Since I have bought the phone I have been hooked. Bearing in my mind I was using a KeyOne for a good part of 2 years, but the jump to KeyTwo is worth every penny.

Most secure phone on the planet is the claim. I can see why. Secure? Some of the inbuilt protection/encryption system/process is just insane. Not that I would use all the security features though but I can see why Blackberry is Security King of all Smartphone brands.

The convenience key on the K2 is a gift from God. Based on my location/status, I can change up to 3 shortcuts on my screen when the button is pressed. So for example, I sit in the car, the phone detects Bluetooth, changes the shortcuts on my phone to Google Maps, Voice Assistance, and Music Playlist etc - or what ever I choose. When at home the shortcuts change to media, including video casting etc. I can even disable the function if I want. The beauty is the key is a physical key on the side.

The split screen for apps is pretty cool. The LED is another gift from God. With the notification options (there are 100s of options/combinations). Dual profiles (For each SIM) also a great feature. Sid Volume keys can be used as forward/backward in Audio mode. Power/Lock/Camera are the same physical button on the side! Tried out some games (Zynga Poker and Fast Lane) and absolutely fine.

The usual Android options etc, but the best part of the phone is of course the physical keyboard. Now I don't know about others, but I couldn't type on a virtual keyboard for love nor money! Now I can type essays using the K2 keyboard with near zero mistakes at high speed! Each physical key can be assigned a shortcut. One for short process and one for long press. It can be anything from launching an app, calling a contact, SMS, email, etc. This is a god send when driving! The keyboard also supports swipe typing. (K1 was Gloss finish, K2 is Matte finish which makes a big difference when typing).

Battery life? Almost 36 hours now on the same charge! No wireless charging though.

All in all, I would go as far as saying the K2 is the best Smartphone I have ever used. Plus the phone has character. Does not look like a Glass slab for starters!


PS: Speed Key - WICKED! :D
 
The fact you claimed Apple and Samsung offer range of other features from games to connecting with family over video, great audio quality for music apps - tells me you had no idea.

Had you known BB runs Android, you would have known that Samsung and BB run the same OS. So same apps.

No? Am I wrong in my deduction? Name me these app you speak of then.

Video calling any app- Top phones of Samsung and Iphone give much better performance.

Gaming - again comparison to Samsung and Iphone falls flat for major processor consuming games.

Battery - with Iphone XR , apple has really made massive progress and this with multiple apps open, this was the major thing for K2

There are performance issues most multimedia consumption, as i said in posts above its made more for emails and work, not otherwise you were the one that wanted Iphone and Samsung to not call its phones as smart phones but except keypad(not batter as such anymore) for the screensize and performance they outperform BB k2.
 
BBs are now made by TCL Corporation - the same company that makes the super cheap Alcatel and Thomson mobile phones you find in supermarkets. In the post RIM/Blackberry era are these handsets really comparable to Samsung/Google/Apple/Huawei ones?

I would say the KeyTwo is pretty close to premium feel.This is subjective, but one thing for sure, the BBs do not feel tacky/super cheap.

The K2s are not cheap. The version I bought (6G/128G) Dual SIM is over £800 on amazon.
 
I mean I knew it was kind of was before they disappeared, but is BB now not solely focused on business users? The BB Messenger feature was the key driving force when it brought in the consumer masses from 2010 onwards. But that's a thing of the past now.
 
Video calling any app- Top phones of Samsung and Iphone give much better performance.

You were talking about Apple and Samsung offering a range of other features, not performance. no one is claiming BB is more powerful than Apple/Samsung.

Admit it man, today you learned that Blackberry now runs Android.

Good night!

:)
 
I mean I knew it was kind of was before they disappeared, but is BB now not solely focused on business users? The BB Messenger feature was the key driving force when it brought in the consumer masses from 2010 onwards. But that's a thing of the past now.

BBM is dead, even BB shutdown the servers. BBM was the don in the past though! Sure miss it!
 
Dual Sim slot and 3.5mm Audio Jack for starters!

I don't know how you call this phone a good one.

It has SD 660 which mine also does (Asus zenfone max pro m2). It has 3500 mah while mine has 5000 mah.

Pie is coming from bbk2 but android 10 beta Roms are already out for my device.

And it is 3 times costlier than my device.

Not to mention, maxpro m2 has 3 slots. 2 Sim and one for SD card with 64gb internal storage.

If you love physical keyboard, then its fine. But to pay this price only to have a keyboard doesn't seem worth.
 
Video calling any app- Top phones of Samsung and Iphone give much better performance.

Gaming - again comparison to Samsung and Iphone falls flat for major processor consuming games.

Battery - with Iphone XR , apple has really made massive progress and this with multiple apps open, this was the major thing for K2

There are performance issues most multimedia consumption, as i said in posts above its made more for emails and work, not otherwise you were the one that wanted Iphone and Samsung to not call its phones as smart phones but except keypad(not batter as such anymore) for the screensize and performance they outperform BB k2.

It has snapdragon 660 which you will get in 10k inr mid range phones in India.

The major mid range phones have shifted to snapdragon 712 which has much better performance than SD 660.

Comparison with iPhone processor or SD 855 which is the current flagship for Android phones will be a joke.
 
I don't know how you call this phone a good one.

It has SD 660 which mine also does (Asus zenfone max pro m2). It has 3500 mah while mine has 5000 mah.

Pie is coming from bbk2 but android 10 beta Roms are already out for my device.

And it is 3 times costlier than my device.

Not to mention, maxpro m2 has 3 slots. 2 Sim and one for SD card with 64gb internal storage.

If you love physical keyboard, then its fine. But to pay this price only to have a keyboard doesn't seem worth.

Users are complaining that they hadn't updated android security patch since december 2018 lol
 
Users are complaining that they hadn't updated android security patch since december 2018 lol

They licensed out unlike other OEMs. So different countries have different security patch lol. Indian version is worst.

But seriously who buys a mobile with old snapdragon 660 with a price of 30+ k INR?
 
They licensed out unlike other OEMs. So different countries have different security patch lol. Indian version is worst.

But seriously who buys a mobile with old snapdragon 660 with a price of 30+ k INR?

I think most buyers were not aware of this fact too

BBs are now made by TCL Corporation - the same company that makes the super cheap Alcatel and Thomson mobile phones you find in supermarkets. In the post RIM/Blackberry era are these handsets really comparable to Samsung/Google/Apple/Huawei ones?
 
I think most buyers were not aware of this fact too

I noticed that. In india, there is so much discussion with the processor (thanks to jio and pubg) that even auntys ask which processor does mobile have (they have no idea but still I guess want to show off). It has made a competition due to which India models have high config and lower price compared to rest of the world.

Europe market is even worse than American one (atleast xiaomi charges more).
 
K2 does indeed have a 660, so? The BlackBerry Is not designed to play games or render media, it's a communications/productive device. 660 is more than enough.

Like with any purchase, first ask why are you buying the product and for what purposes?

I much pay over the odds for a feature that I require and is only available by one vendor than just buying the fastest CPU model for the sake of it. CPU power is a thing of yesteryear. Case in point, Apple is selling less phones because consumers do not see the value in paying over the odds for a faster CPU/more powerful hardware.
 
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K2 does indeed have a 660, so? The BlackBerry Is not designed to play games or render media, it's a communications/productive device. 660 is more than enough.

Like with any purchase, first ask why are you buying the product and for what purposes?

I much pay over the odds for a feature that I require and is only available by one vendor than just buying the fastest CPU model for the sake of it. CPU power is a thing of yesteryear. Case in point, Apple is selling less phones because consumers do not see the value in paying over the odds for a faster CPU/more powerful hardware.

CPU power is a thing of yesteryear?

Dude, you need to check the current market and why so much effort has been put on to bring faster SoC.

Apple is selling less phones because with arrival of snapdragon 845 and 855, finally Qualcomm could give a fight to iPhone processor (otherwise iPhone was ahead by considerable margin).

Reason for less sale of iPhone isn't because people care less about faster SoC. But alternatives are available at cheaper price in Android market.

And BB has licensing out. That's horrible in terms of oem from user point of view.
 
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CPU power is a thing of yesteryear?

Dude, you need to check the current market and why so much effort has been put on to bring faster SoC.

Apple is selling less phones because with arrival of snapdragon 845 and 855, finally Qualcomm could give a fight to iPhone processor (otherwise iPhone was ahead by considerable margin).

Reason for less sale of iPhone isn't because people care less about faster SoC. But alternatives are available at cheaper price in Android market.

And BB has licensing out. That's horrible in terms of oem from user point of view.

As I said, so? Apple is selling less phones because people are holding on longer to their phones as consumers are not prepared to pay over the odds for a faster CPU/more etc. Cheaper alternatives are not really the reason in the UK, maybe in india is though.

As I said the k2 is designed as a productivity phone so there's no need to have the latest cpu. Of course the more powerful cpu the more power it needs hence why BlackBerry phones last much longer in terms of battery life and performance (less heat mess less energy wasted etc).

What BlackBerry has done with its licensing is amazing. Niche product using a mass product (android) resulting in the most secure smartphone on the planet.

The old adage - faster and bigger do not necessarily mean better.
 
I switched from Apple to a Blackberry twice in 10 years. The worst product BB made IMO was the Q10 which had appauling battery life after that I stuck to Apple. TBH I wish they kept the design liked they used to.
 
As I said, so? Apple is selling less phones because people are holding on longer to their phones as consumers are not prepared to pay over the odds for a faster CPU/more etc. Cheaper alternatives are not really the reason in the UK, maybe in india is though.

As I said the k2 is designed as a productivity phone so there's no need to have the latest cpu. Of course the more powerful cpu the more power it needs hence why BlackBerry phones last much longer in terms of battery life and performance (less heat mess less energy wasted etc).

What BlackBerry has done with its licensing is amazing. Niche product using a mass product (android) resulting in the most secure smartphone on the planet.

The old adage - faster and bigger do not necessarily mean better.

You are out of touch.

The SD mid and upper range processors Ave quad core of which 4 are faster and more powerful (more battery consuming) while the other 4 are weak and less power consuming.

If there are no power intensive application running, then the weaker cores will run and hence battery will last longer as the powerful cores won't come into play.

That's why, forget 845/855, even the 710/712 is more power efficient than 660 without compromising performance.

Secondly, licensing is a horrible idea. Indian version has last security patch from dec. 2018. If you are talking about security, then less said the better.

Even if discount all these factors, max pro m2 has same SoC as BBK2. But BBK2 is 3 times costlier. That's a horrible value for money considering BB is a dead brand already.
 
You are out of touch.

The SD mid and upper range processors Ave quad core of which 4 are faster and more powerful (more battery consuming) while the other 4 are weak and less power consuming.

If there are no power intensive application running, then the weaker cores will run and hence battery will last longer as the powerful cores won't come into play.

That's why, forget 845/855, even the 710/712 is more power efficient than 660 without compromising performance.

Secondly, licensing is a horrible idea. Indian version has last security patch from dec. 2018. If you are talking about security, then less said the better.

Even if discount all these factors, max pro m2 has same SoC as BBK2. But BBK2 is 3 times costlier. That's a horrible value for money considering BB is a dead brand already.

Again, so?

It is you who is out of touch. First, I get parallel computing and distributed CPU architecture. Long gone are the days of *My CPU is more powerful than yours*. Now it is about new features in a phone.

You are still not getting it though. To draw an analogy - A shorter route from A to B does not necessarily mean it is the fastest route and vice versa the fastest route may not be the quickest route. Here's another, higher Internet bandwidth does not mean faster throughput/connections.

Apple/Samsung have been criticized for lack of innovation of late, and no one is interested in parted their money for a faster CPU, more memory etc. Consumers want more features (for me the Physical Keyboard is a must feature). Hence CPU/RAM specs are mostly meaningless for the consumer in the West because we have been subjected to consumerism for the past 70 odd years, been there, done that, but in India I can understand, where consumerism is in its infancy, and having a top of the range phone is considered a status symbol hence why the arguments of my screen is bigger than yours, my CPU is faster than yours, my RAM is larger than yours etc in the playgrounds.

I suggest you look up on the architecture of different types of CPU. 9nm is about the physical limit, any smaller and electrons could jump from one track to another. The speed and number of the CPUs is no longer an argument, and neither are number of cores, it’s all down to efficient programming and software. Read up on CISC vs RISC if you want to understand CPU efficiency; small instruction set vs large instruction set.

As for the security patch from DEC 2018, oh my! You really do need to play catch up. Do you even know why BB is the most secure phone on the planet? Security is BAKED into the hardware – read this again – baked into the hardware – ALL of it. The software side is an extra layer, and when changing this layer any update must confirm to stringent testing anyway. Why do you think there are less security updates for a BB Android device compared with Samsung/Apple or any other manufacture? Because barring BB, other brands rely on security provided by the software.

By the way, BB might be a dead brand in the traditional sense, but so was Apple, so not sure what your point is. BB is leading the way in the Automobile and Robotics industry by providing Blackberry architecture to run automation software. Secure, reliable, and robust.

Now you can compare the K2 to other phones in terms of specs/power/cost etc, but 2 aspects which BB offers that no other does, Physical Keyboard and baked in security. For me it primarily about the features. So if you want to discuss features then sure, but I am not here to argue the BB is the most powerful phone on the market. :thumb:

What phone do you use?

:)
 
Again, so?

It is you who is out of touch. First, I get parallel computing and distributed CPU architecture. Long gone are the days of *My CPU is more powerful than yours*. Now it is about new features in a phone.

You are still not getting it though. To draw an analogy - A shorter route from A to B does not necessarily mean it is the fastest route and vice versa the fastest route may not be the quickest route. Here's another, higher Internet bandwidth does not mean faster throughput/connections.

Apple/Samsung have been criticized for lack of innovation of late, and no one is interested in parted their money for a faster CPU, more memory etc. Consumers want more features (for me the Physical Keyboard is a must feature). Hence CPU/RAM specs are mostly meaningless for the consumer in the West because we have been subjected to consumerism for the past 70 odd years, been there, done that, but in India I can understand, where consumerism is in its infancy, and having a top of the range phone is considered a status symbol hence why the arguments of my screen is bigger than yours, my CPU is faster than yours, my RAM is larger than yours etc in the playgrounds.

I suggest you look up on the architecture of different types of CPU. 9nm is about the physical limit, any smaller and electrons could jump from one track to another. The speed and number of the CPUs is no longer an argument, and neither are number of cores, it’s all down to efficient programming and software. Read up on CISC vs RISC if you want to understand CPU efficiency; small instruction set vs large instruction set.

As for the security patch from DEC 2018, oh my! You really do need to play catch up. Do you even know why BB is the most secure phone on the planet? Security is BAKED into the hardware – read this again – baked into the hardware – ALL of it. The software side is an extra layer, and when changing this layer any update must confirm to stringent testing anyway. Why do you think there are less security updates for a BB Android device compared with Samsung/Apple or any other manufacture? Because barring BB, other brands rely on security provided by the software.

By the way, BB might be a dead brand in the traditional sense, but so was Apple, so not sure what your point is. BB is leading the way in the Automobile and Robotics industry by providing Blackberry architecture to run automation software. Secure, reliable, and robust.

Now you can compare the K2 to other phones in terms of specs/power/cost etc, but 2 aspects which BB offers that no other does, Physical Keyboard and baked in security. For me it primarily about the features. So if you want to discuss features then sure, but I am not here to argue the BB is the most powerful phone on the market. :thumb:

What phone do you use?

:)

I stated multiple times my model. Asus Zenfone max pro m2 (X01BD).

Secondly, in case of mobile, it isn't just CPU rather SoC. Unlike computers; mobiles come with system on chip rather than only the processor. Because with different version of SoC, you will get for example different RIL which will end up in affecting from speed of wifi, carrier aggregation, calling and everything related to radio interface. And that's just about the modem. I havent even started about the GPU.

What you stated is true for a PC or laptop. But it's a very different architecture for mobiles because it's not just a CPU but a SoC. You can't change the GPU of a mobile while you can easily change in case of a PC (provided the motherboard isn't a cheap one).

You are mixing apples and oranges here.
 
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I stated multiple times my model. Asus Zenfone max pro m2 (X01BD).

Secondly, in case of mobile, it isn't just CPU rather SoC. Unlike computers; mobiles come with system on chip rather than only the processor. Because with different version of SoC, you will get for example different RIL which will end up in affecting from speed of wifi, carrier aggregation, calling and everything related to radio interface. And that's just about the modem. I havent even started about the GPU.

What you stated is true for a PC or laptop. But it's a very different architecture for mobiles because it's not just a CPU but a SoC. You can't change the GPU of a mobile while you can easily change in case of a PC (provided the motherboard isn't a cheap one).

You are mixing apples and oranges here.

Please do not start on GPUs as your understanding of CPUs was pretty minimal.

Now like I said, talk to me about features, not interested in speed.

All the best! :19:
 
Please do not start on GPUs as your understanding of CPUs was pretty minimal.

Now like I said, talk to me about features, not interested in speed.

All the best! :19:

You clearly avoided any discussion regarding the difference between SoC and the processor of a PC. If you could point out my errors in my posts, you are more than welcome.

Thats OK. Since we both have the same SoC, then let's discuss about features. Except physical Keyboard (which isn't my thing as I prefer bigger screen
), what other features does bbk2 has which lacks in other Android phones?
 
Definitely unique phone among current lookalike glass slabs.
I like 3:2 aspect ratio & physical keyboard. they should focus on improving their cameras as well because average camera can't be justified at that price point.
BlackBerry should make one with vertical slider design.
 
You clearly avoided any discussion regarding the difference between SoC and the processor of a PC. If you could point out my errors in my posts, you are more than welcome.

Why are you talking about a PC CPU now? We are talking about phones. Doesn't matter anyway, you judge a phone by the CPU speed. LOL. Nevermind.



Thats OK. Since we both have the same SoC, then let's discuss about features. Except physical Keyboard (which isn't my thing as I prefer bigger screen
), what other features does bbk2 has which lacks in other Android phones?

Why just compare with Android? Lets include Apple too? Cannot ignore the Keyboard as a feature because you do not like it.

The keyboard is what makes BB unique, not the Android system. Keyboard is not just for typing, it is a track pad and a scroll pad too! Keys also provide shortcuts to any action you desire - short and long press - 2 shortcuts per key! You experience the real value in these shortcuts when driving. These are features which no other phone has at the moment.

While manufacturers are moving away from physical buttons, BB is encouraging them. The rocker keys provide multiple functionality, as well as the Convenience Key which as I mentioned above is a God send.

The idea of controlling your phone using just physical keys/side keys is a feature no Smartphone has at the moment.

So these are some features which K2 have but other do not. Name me some features your/Android/Apple phone has that K2 does not?
 
Why are you talking about a PC CPU now? We are talking about phones. Doesn't matter anyway, you judge a phone by the CPU speed. LOL. Nevermind.





Why just compare with Android? Lets include Apple too? Cannot ignore the Keyboard as a feature because you do not like it.

The keyboard is what makes BB unique, not the Android system. Keyboard is not just for typing, it is a track pad and a scroll pad too! Keys also provide shortcuts to any action you desire - short and long press - 2 shortcuts per key! You experience the real value in these shortcuts when driving. These are features which no other phone has at the moment.

While manufacturers are moving away from physical buttons, BB is encouraging them. The rocker keys provide multiple functionality, as well as the Convenience Key which as I mentioned above is a God send.

The idea of controlling your phone using just physical keys/side keys is a feature no Smartphone has at the moment.

So these are some features which K2 have but other do not. Name me some features your/Android/Apple phone has that K2 does not?

I am just wondering.... You talk so much about using mobile while driving. What else you use the mobile while driving a car other than picking up calls?
 
Blackberry's are mostly for Tories who are challenged intellectually
 
I am just wondering.... You talk so much about using mobile while driving. What else you use the mobile while driving a car other than picking up calls?

So you have no unique features to speak of.

Nice try though. I was just pointing out the benefits of physical shortcuts, using them while driving is an example. And lets face it, there's more to do than just making calls, but this doesn't really matter, what matters is the functionality is there at a click of a button.
 
So you have no unique features to speak of.

Nice try though. I was just pointing out the benefits of physical shortcuts, using them while driving is an example. And lets face it, there's more to do than just making calls, but this doesn't really matter, what matters is the functionality is there at a click of a button.

Actually that wasn't the point. I am using havoc 9.0 pie rom in my device. I can assign the volume rockers and the power button to multiple actions.

In my case, while coming calls, pressing the power button once picks up the call and while on call, pressing it again cuts the call. Pressing power button twice switches on the torch.

So shortcut key isn't a big thing. If you use custom Roms, you can assign various actions to the three buttons.

My question was different. What do you do while driving a car except picking up calls?
 
I was a HUGE BlackBerry fan up until mid 2016 when they made a switch to Android. I don’t like Android - too complicated for me.

Bought a brand new 7 Plus in 2016 and have been using that phone since (no problems). I’m a simple guy - just give me my Safari and YouTube and I’m good to go.

Thinking of upgrading to Pro Max.
 
OP needs to understand that it's a niche product not everyone desires physical keyboard.
Key2 & passport are strictly niche products which caters to keyboard nerds.
BlackBerry priv is the phone that is more mainstream & attract to masses with its big screen and slider keyboard that unlike k2 & passport doesn't bother you when you don't need it.
So I think you are championing for wrong phone OP.

Blackberry k2 may have all the relevant features but with small screen it's master of none (except typing & shortcuts).
& Let's be honest it's an overpriced product for its hardware.

Now if BlackBerry makes priv 2 with top hardware & design then we are talking.
 
I agree that BB Key series are not for the masses, I am not a nerd but I enjoy typing on a keyboard as I feel its more accurate to compose emails and I like the feedback on the fingers. Its also useful if your fingers are wet too.

What BB have done wrong is gone out of their nice compact shapes and made the phone quite expensive.
 
Actually that wasn't the point. I am using havoc 9.0 pie rom in my device. I can assign the volume rockers and the power button to multiple actions.

In my case, while coming calls, pressing the power button once picks up the call and while on call, pressing it again cuts the call. Pressing power button twice switches on the torch.

So shortcut key isn't a big thing. If you use custom Roms, you can assign various actions to the three buttons.

My question was different. What do you do while driving a car except picking up calls?

Your question is the result of you not answering a straight forward question in the first place. I asked you what features do other phones have that Blackberry does not?

Anyway, as for other tasks while driving, come on! There's Proper Speed Dialing (one touch call without the need to unlock the phone)/SMS/Email/Teams/Playlists for starters.

K2 is all about convenience.
 
I agree that BB Key series are not for the masses, I am not a nerd but I enjoy typing on a keyboard as I feel its more accurate to compose emails and I like the feedback on the fingers. Its also useful if your fingers are wet too.

What BB have done wrong is gone out of their nice compact shapes and made the phone quite expensive.

The tactile feedback from the keyboard is proven to improve typing, and I do not know about anyone else, but there is a certain satisfaction when pressing a physical key compared with a virtual keyboard. I make next to zero mistakes when typing on a physical keyboard.

What killed BB was the lack of software support. Apple/Android apps were far superior and I think BB made a killer (albeit late) move by allowing Android to run on BB hardware.
 
OP needs to understand that it's a niche product not everyone desires physical keyboard.
Key2 & passport are strictly niche products which caters to keyboard nerds.
BlackBerry priv is the phone that is more mainstream & attract to masses with its big screen and slider keyboard that unlike k2 & passport doesn't bother you when you don't need it.
So I think you are championing for wrong phone OP.

Blackberry k2 may have all the relevant features but with small screen it's master of none (except typing & shortcuts).
& Let's be honest it's an overpriced product for its hardware.

Now if BlackBerry makes priv 2 with top hardware & design then we are talking.

I liked the PRIV, very powerful, but the shape of the device was too big for my liking.
 
BlackBerry to enter market with a keyboard smartphone

In the age of new and improved smartphones, technology company BlackBerry has decided to return into the market with a 5G smartphone featuring a keyboard.

BlackBerry has not launched a smartphone since 2018, but now the company has decided to return soon with a new 5G smartphone. As per Mashable, the recently announced mobility, fax con subsidiary FIH Mobile companies announced that they will jointly launch a BlackBerry 5G phone with a keyboard.

Peter Franklin, CEO of Onward Mobility, said that BlackBerry smartphones are best known for their communication, privacy, and data security. Franklin added that the deal would “deliver a new 5G Android BlackBerry smartphone with a physical keyboard.”

According to the report, BlackBerry’s new smartphone will be launched in the market by the quarter of next year 2021. Details regarding the features of the new BlackBerry smartphone have not been shared yet, but interestingly, it will feature a keyboard with a touchpad.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/40013400/blackberry-to-enter-market-with-a-keyboard-smartphone
 
Delusional? Infact, the company has managed a turnaround. They are focused solely on software and are out of danger of being bankrupt.

They had been making solid progress pre covid and covid has slowed them down a bit but they are on path to be making decent profit within the next couple years.

Plus, they are not producing the upcoming phone. They will be making the software for it and are charging a licensing fee to the manufacturer. No harm in that.

I was a huge blackberry fan back in the day and I cannot wait until this phone comes out. If they can put a decent camera on this phone I would definitely consider switching from my Google Pixel phone.
 
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It's been over a year and I am still using my K2. Absolute power horse, and built for endurance. Not had a single issue, and the keyboard still going strong!

I was looking forward to the K3 by TCL, but lets see what the new model is all about!

Long live Blackberry!
 
Delusional? Infact, the company has managed a turnaround. They are focused solely on software and are out of danger of being bankrupt.

They had been making solid progress pre covid and covid has slowed them down a bit but they are on path to be making decent profit within the next couple years.

Plus, they are not producing the upcoming phone. They will be making the software for it and are charging a licensing fee to the manufacturer. No harm in that.

I was a huge blackberry fan back in the day and I cannot wait until this phone comes out. If they can put a decent camera on this phone I would definitely consider switching from my Google Pixel phone.

If that happens, it's not blackberry anymore.

Kinda like where Nokia is still here but it isn't the same Nokia.
 
If that happens, it's not blackberry anymore.

Kinda like where Nokia is still here but it isn't the same Nokia.

It has already happened. BlackBerry exited the hardware market in 2016. They licensed the hardware aspect of their business to the Chinese giant TCL and they produced the last few BlackBerry phones and BlackBerry was just charging a licensing fee for making the software for it.

This year, TCL ended the agreement so it seemed like it was the end of the road completely for BlackBerry branded phones but it looks like they have gotten another lifeline.
 
It has already happened. BlackBerry exited the hardware market in 2016. They licensed the hardware aspect of their business to the Chinese giant TCL and they produced the last few BlackBerry phones and BlackBerry was just charging a licensing fee for making the software for it.

This year, TCL ended the agreement so it seemed like it was the end of the road completely for BlackBerry branded phones but it looks like they have gotten another lifeline.

Just don't tell him about QNX platform used by the autonomous vehicle industry - for features like selfdriving cars.
 
Just don't tell him about QNX platform used by the autonomous vehicle industry - for features like selfdriving cars.

QNX is doing the same mistakes that blackberry the phone did though(Third Party), Android automotive at this rate will beat em in 10 years...

Imagine many apps of Android available in cars without the need for the phone..that's where it's heading though..

Is there a reason for your super support to Blackberry company and its products?
 
I hope after seeing the payment fiasco with "app/Play" store cars go with Automotive Grade Linux but seeing how everyone is hooked to App ecosystem I don't put it past Android to exploit the car market already delivering with their mirroring tech.

I have Camry that uses AGL but its not that great.. but again maybe I don't really care about the OS and more about the carplay?

Anyone else can explain detailed if they have AGL in their cars and benefits of it over QNX?
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QNX is doing the same mistakes that blackberry the phone did though(Third Party), Android automotive at this rate will beat em in 10 years...

Imagine many apps of Android available in cars without the need for the phone..that's where it's heading though..

Is there a reason for your super support to Blackberry company and its products?

My reasons for supporting Blackberry are the same reasons why sheep support iOS and Android - personal preference.
 
QNX is not only used in AV industry but also Aerospace & Defense. The reason? It's a rock solid OS; stable and secure to the max. I mean you wouldn't want your Android OS restarting in the middle of a battle/flight would you!?
 
My reasons for supporting Blackberry are the same reasons why sheep support iOS and Android - personal preference.

I would support Linux for same reason... but no one seems to be into PureOS although AGL has atleast made a quicker entry into Car OS not sure if it would succeed.
 
QNX is not only used in AV industry but also Aerospace & Defense. The reason? It's a rock solid OS; stable and secure to the max. I mean you wouldn't want your Android OS restarting in the middle of a battle/flight would you!?

I think that was before, the RTOS by other companies have taken over.. atleast in fighter Jets but again I can just tell about the ones I know I could be wrong.
 
QNX is not only used in AV industry but also Aerospace & Defense. The reason? It's a rock solid OS; stable and secure to the max. I mean you wouldn't want your Android OS restarting in the middle of a battle/flight would you!?

What a stupid example.

Many from the list of fortune 500 companies still use cobol. Does that mean cobol is a rock solid language?

If you want to talk about security, features, design paradigm, then I am ready to listen. But don't bring meaningless example of how X or Y business uses this so it must be good.

Without covering the basics, if you do same as a parrot would do, it just means you don't have your own opinion and you would rather go for herd mentality.

Even then it's ok but when you have herd mentality, then talk of quality goes out of the window.
 
What a stupid example.

Many from the list of fortune 500 companies still use cobol. Does that mean cobol is a rock solid language?

If you want to talk about security, features, design paradigm, then I am ready to listen. But don't bring meaningless example of how X or Y business uses this so it must be good.

Without covering the basics, if you do same as a parrot would do, it just means you don't have your own opinion and you would rather go for herd mentality.

Even then it's ok but when you have herd mentality, then talk of quality goes out of the window.

Yawn.

Who was talking about fortune 500?

Fact is QNX is a rock solid and secure OS. Who cares what you think, the industry says otherwise. :)
 
Blackberry as we knew it doesn't exist anymore. There's just a community out there which never wants to be recognised as part of the crowd and wants to stand out even if through pointless and out of time gimmicks like a physical keyboard on a mobile phone in 2020.

Predictive text and voice commands is the future of texting.
 
QNX is not only used in AV industry but also Aerospace & Defense. The reason? It's a rock solid OS; stable and secure to the max. I mean you wouldn't want your Android OS restarting in the middle of a battle/flight would you!?

VxWorks is most used in military projects such as fighter jets, subs etc. NASA even used it for their Mars Rover.

As of now QNX is mostly focused on the automotive industry.
 
I hope after seeing the payment fiasco with "app/Play" store cars go with Automotive Grade Linux but seeing how everyone is hooked to App ecosystem I don't put it past Android to exploit the car market already delivering with their mirroring tech.

I have Camry that uses AGL but its not that great.. but again maybe I don't really care about the OS and more about the carplay?

Anyone else can explain detailed if they have AGL in their cars and benefits of it over QNX?
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Anything that is open source will be inherently insecure. I think going forward QNX would take over the car market since cars are increasing being connected on networks and you want a secure OS that prevents intrusion. With AGL every tom, dick and harry would have access to the source code and could find possible vulnerabilities in it. Personally I love Linux but in my line of work VxWorks is king.

I wonder what OS Tesla uses, since all their cars are connected to the cloud for real time data transmission.
 
What did I tell ya?

Herd Mentality

lol.

Incorrect. Nothing to do with herd, but ignorance.

Cobalt is a language, and ONX is an OS. Go do your home work Amreekan wannabe.

You are an Indian throwing big words in hope the ignorant will fall for your tripe. Go fool your pind because you cannot even compare apples with apples. Pun fully intended.

:)
 
Anything that is open source will be inherently insecure. I think going forward QNX would take over the car market since cars are increasing being connected on networks and you want a secure OS that prevents intrusion. With AGL every tom, dick and harry would have access to the source code and could find possible vulnerabilities in it. Personally I love Linux but in my line of work VxWorks is king.

I wonder what OS Tesla uses, since all their cars are connected to the cloud for real time data transmission.

Telsa it seems uses Linux too, from what I can see Android automotive is getting contracts left and right, and they will dent Linux and QNX but again who knows.. interesting time for automotive software engineers.
 
Telsa it seems uses Linux too, from what I can see Android automotive is getting contracts left and right, and they will dent Linux and QNX but again who knows.. interesting time for automotive software engineers.

Are you one?
 
Telsa it seems uses Linux too, from what I can see Android automotive is getting contracts left and right, and they will dent Linux and QNX but again who knows.. interesting time for automotive software engineers.
If it's Linux, it will be really unfair. Not sure about licensing of various Linux OS in commercial aspect but if Tesla like company starts to use it by modifying it, there needs to be change in the license.
 
Are you one?

Nope, just an average IT Integration developer, intriguing nevertheless and probably the data from these vehicles will be used for integration with systems, that's where my actual interest lies.
 
Jan 4 (Reuters) - BlackBerry Ltd (BB.TO), is pulling the plug on service for its once ubiquitous business smartphones, which were toted by executives, politicians and legions of fans in the early 2000s.

The move marks the end of an era as the phones, which sported a tiny QWERTY physical keyboard, pioneered push email and the BBM instant messaging service.

Former U.S. President Barack Obama, one of its most celebrated users, made headlines in 2016 when he was asked to give up his BlackBerry and replace it with an unnamed smartphone.

Blackberry lost favor with users with the advent of Apple's touchscreen iPhones and rival Android devices. In recent years, the company pivoted to making cybersecurity software and embedded operating systems for cars.

Social media was alight with tributes. One Twitter user reminisced it was a "fabulous machine" and hoped the company's phones would be resurrected.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/...indispensable-business-smartphone-2022-01-04/
 
Sad day.

It’s a shame there will be no Blackberry Key3.

Blackberry made a smart move by supporting Android but really it was about the physical keyboard.

Great memories come to an end!
 
Top phone had it’s day! Probably the best company to come out of Canada along with Shopify!
 
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