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Bowling action of Pakistan’s Bilal Asif found to be legal

Can ICC/BCCI ever win in this situation?

If he was found with illegal action and banned, then blame ICC/BCCI with conspiracy against Pakistani bowlers.
Now that his action is found legal, blame ICC umpires.

No. And neither you nor BCCI should give two hoots about this.

Only legitimate question is why Harbhajan hasnt been called. I have never been a believer in conspiracy theories, or been particularly prone to victim mentality, but this Bhajji case is dodgy to me too.
 
No. And neither you nor BCCI should give two hoots about this.

Only legitimate question is why Harbhajan hasnt been called. I have never been a believer in conspiracy theories, or been particularly prone to victim mentality, but this Bhajji case is dodgy to me too.

Its a big embarrassment for all. Agreed.

Atleast must be tested.
 
Why so much ire towards ICC? The resident contingent of denialists/double-standard dreamers always wanted that the ICC call any bowler who looks dodgy for testing.
Isn't that what was done in Imad's case.
Except that he didnt look dodgy n someone who does, doesnt get called out
 
No. And neither you nor BCCI should give two hoots about this.

Only legitimate question is why Harbhajan hasnt been called. I have never been a believer in conspiracy theories, or been particularly prone to victim mentality, but this Bhajji case is dodgy to me too.



I know corrupt BCCI does not already give two hoots about anything or anyone...most Indian fans are in the same mould as well, and I am ok with that!

But the issue I have is that the new standards and practices they put in place for this Chennai (Indian) testing center have not been openly shared with anyone despite repeated requests by that University in Australia and several others. If their testing is so advanced, fair, and out of this world...why don't they put it out for peer reviews?

We all know secerecy is root of all evil, keep things open and if there are no issues with your practices, everyone will hop on your side! Simple as that.
 
The world will soon see 3 Ashwins.

Ashwin, Bilal Asif and Jayant Yadav (upcoming talent who is similar to Ashwin - is playing the A game against Saffers now).

:irfan :murali :srt
Bilal is a mediocre spinner. Dont add him in alongside ashwin just to come across as polite to ur parosis
 
Bilal is a mediocre spinner. Dont add him in alongside ashwin just to come across as polite to ur parosis

I haven't even seen Bilal's bowling other than wickets video.

He wasn't bad to be honest.

3 Ashwins comment was more about looks, style (tall, off spin) oriented than anything. :P
 
I haven't even seen Bilal's bowling other than wickets video.

He wasn't bad to be honest.

3 Ashwins comment was more about looks, style (tall, off spin) oriented than anything. [emoji14]
He isnt even half the bowler that ashwin is.
That was a fluke fifer more than anything else where he was just getting drag on dismissals against batsmen that for some odd reason were allowed to only play the cut n no other shot against him by their management.

Unlike ashwin, he doesnt put many revs on the ball n hardly has any variety.


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Bilal is a very average bowler tbh. Esp in longer format i dont expect him to amount to much in long term.

But still good that he cleared the test
 
Good to hear he's clear, now Bilal go out there and show them you were worth all this drama. Rip up the English line
 
There is a clear directive to target Pakistan bowlers given their history. Otherwise how do you account for the reporting of a clean action?

im not a conspiracist at all, but its difficult not to ask this question.
 
we knew illegal bannings like this would occur when boards with shady pasts like india and australia took over the icc. im glad harbhajan was never banned though, it proves the rule was flawed to begin with.
 
I trust the umpires, only.
The same umpires reported asif who has the cleanest of actions. So much for trust.
Why even have independent thought when others can make the decisions for you.
Weird response tbh

If u cant judge that harbhajan chucks, then that leaves a doubt on your game reading skills i'm afraid coz a respectable indian poster [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] thinks he is shady.

Fair enough, lets assume that it is my doubt or conspiracy theory that bhajji chucks
If u can report asif coz there is doubt about his action's legitimacy, why cant u just do the same with bhajji so that it settles the debate.

I mean if the umpires r so concerned about hving a clean game without chuckers then why not test bhajji as well coz they left nothing to risk with bilal, did they?

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It's pretty clear that umpires feels pressured in reporting Bhajji. There may not be any specific directions by the ICC here, but they just have a fear.

You don't mess with the BCCI or Indian players. Could be harmful for their future careers.

Only plausible logic here without any conspiracy.
 
I have not seen much of this guy apart from some highlights against Zim. Some of his wickets were poor shot selections from batsmen and his batting looked like the typical Shahzaib, Awais Zia etc, would struggle against good bowlers no? So how good is he?
 
Phew! I'm going to be honest here. I actually thought he would be over the limit. Good news for Bilal! Concentrate on the ODI series now.
 
It's pretty clear that umpires feels pressured in reporting Bhajji. There may not be any specific directions by the ICC here, but they just have a fear.

You don't mess with the BCCI or Indian players. Could be harmful for their future careers.

Only plausible logic here without any conspiracy.

Agree with this..
 
People going way overboard here. In real time it probably does look dodgy because of his wrist and I for one am glad that umpires have been given the right to call bowlers at will. Dunno why so many posters are feeling insecure about this . If Bilal cleared it then it actually disproves notions such as "99 % of bowlers would fail the test etc".

Why the umpires are not calling bhajji though is quite a mystery. I mean the guy is a rubbish bowler . M sure its an ISI conspiracy to make sure he's playing.
 
No. And neither you nor BCCI should give two hoots about this.

Only legitimate question is why Harbhajan hasnt been called. I have never been a believer in conspiracy theories, or been particularly prone to victim mentality, but this Bhajji case is dodgy to me too.

Bhajji's situation is not clear. I agree he needs to be tested. And thrown out for the good of the Indian team. You will very few Indians who want Bhajji to play for India now. His not being banned is not a reason for joy.

It is not as if BCCI is protecting its bowlers. They banned Ojha without mercy even before he was reported by an ICC umpire. BCCI has its own method of screening out these weeds at the domestic level these days. Bhajji is a mediocre bowler these days, and even in FC cricket he is not able to run through sides. So why would BCCI protect Bhajji? There are half a dozen spinners in India who are better than Bhajji, which is why I can't understand the obsession with Bhajji's action. Most Indian fans don't want him in the side, and his continuation in the Indian team is irking Indian fans the most. If I had the option to report Bhajji, I would report and ban him for India's own good.
 
People going way overboard here. In real time it probably does look dodgy because of his wrist and I for one am glad that umpires have been given the right to call bowlers at will. Dunno why so many posters are feeling insecure about this . If Bilal cleared it then it actually disproves notions such as "99 % of bowlers would fail the test etc".

Why the umpires are not calling bhajji though is quite a mystery. I mean the guy is a rubbish bowler . M sure its an ISI conspiracy to make sure he's playing.

The thing is his action looks very similar to Ashwin's . So if his looks 'dodgy' and is being called than u have to call a spade a spade. If Umpires are calling bowlers at their will than bhajji and Ashwin should be too.
 
No. And neither you nor BCCI should give two hoots about this.

Only legitimate question is why Harbhajan hasnt been called. I have never been a believer in conspiracy theories, or been particularly prone to victim mentality, but this Bhajji case is dodgy to me too.

Maliks action also has looked dodgy at times but umpires haven't called him yet.
 
Maybe there are no clear instructions from BCCI but Umpires are under massive pressure because of the (world's biggest board and big 2) so they are not reporting Bhajji?
 
The same umpires reported asif who has the cleanest of actions. So much for trust.
Why even have independent thought when others can make the decisions for you.
Weird response tbh

If u cant judge that harbhajan chucks, then that leaves a doubt on your game reading skills i'm afraid coz a respectable indian poster [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] thinks he is shady.

Fair enough, lets assume that it is my doubt or conspiracy theory that bhajji chucks
If u can report asif coz there is doubt about his action's legitimacy, why cant u just do the same with bhajji so that it settles the debate.

I mean if the umpires r so concerned about hving a clean game without chuckers then why not test bhajji as well coz they left nothing to risk with bilal, did they?

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We don't institutionalize distrust of umpires for doing their job for the last 100 years or so because of howlers. Even without drs, umpire success rates have been in the very high 80's. I don't lose too much sleep that for every bowler called for chucking only two so far have come out ok. Even in this case Pakistani cricketers and stupidity are often a moth to a flame situation: he might go out and a bowl a dodgy doosra just because his offspinner has been cleared.
Lastly on Harbhajan, I do not know whether he chucks or not. At best I can assume he is not stupid Enough to do it all the time in international cricket: which is why he is crap vs Hafeez and Ajmal who drank too much of their own kool aid about having a legitimate action. So Harbhajan might find a way to not be called at the expense of being effective and get dropped from international cricket eventually.
Some Pakistani fans need to understand that the starting point for any Indian bowler to be called for chucking is NOT when a Pakistani offspinner has been caught chucking (2 so far), it's when the umpire sees it.
And what I have complete lack of respect for is this defeatist mentality that 'the game is rigged against us' (not that you might espouse that)
So in the end, as a Pakistani fan my pain of having national heroes getting called and convicted for chucking is not eased by getting an Indian bowler reported
 
But but didnt it seem u trusted the umpires? [emoji14]

I do. Humoring 'the illuminati/elders of Zion/Mossad/Bcci plot'.
Sometimes to treat a sickness you need to let it run its course to understand all the sypmtoms.
 
Some posters here are extremely emotional.

If I were the umpire I would've called him straight away just like the umpires did because quite honestly his action was a bit borderline.

Having said that I don't understand why Bhajji has not been called yet? It perplexes me that on one side umpires are calling borderline cases but on the other hand a chucker Like bhajji has not been calles yet.I am not getting onto the bandwagon like many [In fact I don't live in Pak either or related to Pak in any capacity (blood relation)]but it just obfuscates me to see Bhajji bowling freely.

On the other hand Ashwin has a clean action,as clean as they come...
 
Good news. Finally Pakistan produced a non chucking off spinner :)

Hence, I can understand the excitement of fans in this thread completely.
 
I know corrupt BCCI does not already give two hoots about anything or anyone...most Indian fans are in the same mould as well, and I am ok with that!

But the issue I have is that the new standards and practices they put in place for this Chennai (Indian) testing center have not been openly shared with anyone despite repeated requests by that University in Australia and several others. If their testing is so advanced, fair, and out of this world...why don't they put it out for peer reviews?

We all know secerecy is root of all evil, keep things open and if there are no issues with your practices, everyone will hop on your side! Simple as that.

There are other testing centres apart from Chennai. PCB can easily send their bowlers to other test centres if they are not confident on Chennai. Rather than crying foul play why not ask PCB this question that why all Pakistani bowlers sent to India for testing?
 
There are other testing centres apart from Chennai. PCB can easily send their bowlers to other test centres if they are not confident on Chennai. Rather than crying foul play why not ask PCB this question that why all Pakistani bowlers sent to India for testing?



You think, how about advising which ones are those and if they are in another world besides India? I am not even sure if PCb has the choice to select another centre?

Anyway, what is so secretive that after 2-3 years, ICC/BCCI are still so hesitant in releasing their criterias etc. for peer reviews?
 
You think, how about advising which ones are those and if they are in another world besides India? I am not even sure if PCb has the choice to select another centre?

Anyway, what is so secretive that after 2-3 years, ICC/BCCI are still so hesitant in releasing their criterias etc. for peer reviews?

Cricket Boards (in this case PCB) has full choice of selecting any ICC affiliate testing centre. The reason they always send its players to Chennai is to reduce cost.
 
Cricket Boards (in this case PCB) has full choice of selecting any ICC affiliate testing centre. The reason they always send its players to Chennai is to reduce cost.



You still have not advised what other centers are out there and why would they be using any other 'Non-Secretive' testing methods compared to Chennai one and why would the discrepancy in testing methods be there to begin with if both are under ICC's wings
 
You still have not advised what other centers are out there and why would they be using any other 'Non-Secretive' testing methods compared to Chennai one and why would the discrepancy in testing methods be there to begin with if both are under ICC's wings

There is one testing centre in Brisbane and PCB has full freedom to test bowlers there if they are not happy with Chennai.

There are no discrepency in testing in any centres. If you are chucker like Ajmal, Hafeez, Samuels etc. you will be caught. If your action is Legal like Al-Amin, Asif you will be cleared.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/201...testing-centres-for-suspected-bowling-actions
 
You still have not advised what other centers are out there and why would they be using any other 'Non-Secretive' testing methods compared to Chennai one and why would the discrepancy in testing methods be there to begin with if both are under ICC's wings

if im not wrong there are 2 centers.

whats the discrepancy in testing methods?
 
I'm not their spokesperson.

If you are saying their methods aren't reviewed and that they have an agenda why didn't they just fail Bilal Asif considering no one would be able to raise a finger or doubt?


To pick him up to begin with was stupid if you ask anyone...his action looked as legit as any out there!
 
if im not wrong there are 2 centers.

whats the discrepancy in testing methods?


That was in reply to the other poster, who I believe insinuited that PCB should have gone with another center if they did not trust the Chennai one
 
There is one testing centre in Brisbane and PCB has full freedom to test bowlers there if they are not happy with Chennai.

There are no discrepency in testing in any centres. If you are chucker like Ajmal, Hafeez, Samuels etc. you will be caught. If your action is Legal like Al-Amin, Asif you will be cleared.

http://www.icc-cricket.com/news/201...testing-centres-for-suspected-bowling-actions


Yep, only if you are Indian, you will be sneaked under the rug and never called!

What is rather convenient is that each of the three centers are in the 3 axes of evil countries...while any of their bowlers is yet to be called or ever will be I suspect
 
That was in reply to the other poster, who I believe insinuited that PCB should have gone with another center if they did not trust the Chennai one

He merely meant that if some Pakistani fans feel there is an Indian conspiracy going on, PCB is free to send the players to be tested in Australia.

He isnt doubting either i guess
 
Hmm, he's bowling the doosra in this test.

He has got a doosra which he has not bowled in his first two games. So he would not have been asked to bowl it in his test.

So will he bowl it when he plays 3rd test against England if so in pace of imran ? Or in matches ahead ?

Since he has been just cleared so I don't think any umpire will report him again for next one year even if they feel his doosra is not within 15 degrees.

Big question

" Will he bowl the doosra " ?


What do you think now [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] ?

Will he get reported again?
 
A slippery slope this, any brave umpire will call him. Thankfully, he won't get away with it for long if he is chucking.
 
First spinner to a bowl a doosra while bowling with half sleeved kit in recent times?
 
He has been found legal for now. So we should wait until he is called before calling him a chucker.
 
He is 100% legal.

His arm stays as straight as can be.

All the action is in the wrists. His wrists move so much its incredible.
 
He was cleared three years ago, plus it's well-documented that it's rare for spinners to bowl the doosra without chucking. Hence, it's only prudent to be suspicious. If he is chucking, I'm sure the umpires will report him.
 
I think he will be called for sure, not many bowlers bowl doosra in this day and age. Whether he cleared the test or not is another story
 
To the naked eye, his bowling action looks just about legal. He can easily be our Ashwin
 
He was cleared three years ago, plus it's well-documented that it's rare for spinners to bowl the doosra without chucking. Hence, it's only prudent to be suspicious. If he is chucking, I'm sure the umpires will report him.

rubbish..saqlain bowled it without chucking..Bilal clearly doesnt chuck..but alas we already have our own fans claiming this nonsense..who needs enemies when your own say such rubbish..
 
He has been found legal for now. So we should wait until he is called before calling him a chucker.

He is 100% legal.

His arm stays as straight as can be.

All the action is in the wrists. His wrists move so much its incredible.

I think he will be called for sure, not many bowlers bowl doosra in this day and age. Whether he cleared the test or not is another story

Folks.. as per talent spotter's post, he had not bowled the doosra when he was called.

In this match he's using the doosra and that sometimes look suspicious to the naked eye.

Nobody's saying he "definitely" chucks. It's totally fine to speculate or suspect someone's action and wonder if the umpires will call someone.

In his case, it's likely that he'll be called.
 
rubbish..saqlain bowled it without chucking..Bilal clearly doesnt chuck..but alas we already have our own fans claiming this nonsense..who needs enemies when your own say such rubbish..

Khan bhai, if our own bowler's action looks somewhat suspicious, why should we not discuss it?

It's just a sport, and fans should be neutral. Our fans who still take the side of Ajmal are really some of the worst - he was a cheat and a thrower. A proven one.

NObody's saying Bilal chucks, just saying looks suspicious and he might be called.
 
rubbish..saqlain bowled it without chucking..Bilal clearly doesnt chuck..but alas we already have our own fans claiming this nonsense..who needs enemies when your own say such rubbish..

No. I don’t think this is true. Saqlain wasn’t lucky because umpiring was still to catch up. Either way, he will go down in the record books as not chucking. I suppose that’s what matters
 
No. I don’t think this is true. Saqlain wasn’t lucky because umpiring was still to catch up. Either way, he will go down in the record books as not chucking. I suppose that’s what matters

Nah, Saqlain's doosra looked clean in the old videos I've seen of him.
 
His career was derailed thanks to that ill-judged report against his action two years ago, hopefully the umpires aren't that reckless this time.
 
Khan bhai, if our own bowler's action looks somewhat suspicious, why should we not discuss it?

It's just a sport, and fans should be neutral. Our fans who still take the side of Ajmal are really some of the worst - he was a cheat and a thrower. A proven one.

NObody's saying Bilal chucks, just saying looks suspicious and he might be called.

when its blatant then thats fine, but Bilal clearly is not chucking..we the armchair fans cant see he's chucking from the naked eye..and even when you see the side on view..Plus he has already passed the test..we should be sensible before making such claims..specualte by all means but dont just go around saying "oh he chucks"..
 
No. I don’t think this is true. Saqlain wasn’t lucky because umpiring was still to catch up. Either way, he will go down in the record books as not chucking. I suppose that’s what matters

he's clean dude, just youtube his hatrick against zimbabwe in the 99 world cup..
 
His career was derailed thanks to that ill-judged report against his action two years ago, hopefully the umpires aren't that reckless this time.

His action was cleared. No excuses for the selectors and the then team management to keep ignoring him
 
rubbish..saqlain bowled it without chucking..Bilal clearly doesnt chuck..but alas we already have our own fans claiming this nonsense..who needs enemies when your own say such rubbish..

I said it's rare to bowl the doosra without chucking, not that everyone who bowls a doosra is a chucker. The level of discourse on this website can occasionally be appalling. We are now not allowed to speculate about our own bowlers' actions, especially someone whose action has been under scrutiny in the past ?
 
Folks.. as per talent spotter's post, he had not bowled the doosra when he was called.

In this match he's using the doosra and that sometimes look suspicious to the naked eye.

Nobody's saying he "definitely" chucks. It's totally fine to speculate or suspect someone's action and wonder if the umpires will call someone.

In his case, it's likely that he'll be called.

That is exactly what I said :P
 
Khan bhai, if our own bowler's action looks somewhat suspicious, why should we not discuss it?

It's just a sport, and fans should be neutral. Our fans who still take the side of Ajmal are really some of the worst - he was a cheat and a thrower. A proven one.

NObody's saying Bilal chucks, just saying looks suspicious and he might be called.

He doesn't chuck. It's all wrists. Barely any elbow
 
His career was derailed thanks to that ill-judged report against his action two years ago, hopefully the umpires aren't that reckless this time.


Nah not really, they were playing him as an opener lmao and he was dropped because of his batting failures
 
Saw his action closely and I have to say it's all wrists. Would be a shame if umpires report him because his action looks very clean and legal to me.
 
It’s an illusion due to his wrist.

I think it’s just about legal; not to mention he was cleared before.
 
It’s an illusion due to his wrist.

I think it’s just about legal; not to mention he was cleared before.

Ajmal and Hafeez were cleared before too, just to get caught again.

Reserving my opinion on Asif and the results of this test until a knowledgable poster can confidently say that he is 100% clean.
 
Ajmal and Hafeez were cleared before too, just to get caught again.

Reserving my opinion on Asif and the results of this test until a knowledgable poster can confidently say that he is 100% clean.

Hafeez and Ajmal cleared the old tests which was easy to do.

Bilal cleared the new tests that caught a lot of chuckers cos they ask you to bowl in a way that they can superimpose your action with the one used in the match and then judge if it was over 15 degrees.

I can't vouch for his doosra cos I am yet to see it in action but his regular stuff is clean.

Just go to Youtube, 0.25x the speed and see arm extension.
 
Nah not really, they were playing him as an opener lmao and he was dropped because of his batting failures

Exactly. He is still a hack with the bat. Very much an off spin version of Shahid Afridi. Useful with the ball, but a lottery with the bat.

If he fires he will score quick otherwise will go for a golden duck ala our very own Lala jee.
 
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Bilal Asif's action reminds me a lot of Kumar Dharmasena's bowling action, which was subject to a lot of scrutiny as well.

I haven't seen him bowl a doosra yet.
 
Hmm, he's bowling the doosra in this test.




What do you think now [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] ?

Will he get reported again?


I have seen him bowl the doosra and as per my assesment which could be wrong it seems within 15 degrees. He doesn't impart too many revs on it and action doesn't change much.



Another thing of note is ,


It's my keen observation that Bilal is quite skillful but has a poor bowling brain although he is a senior pro 33 odd on paper. Sarfraz Ahmed rightly dictates him all the time as to what he bilal needs to be bowling because on his own Bilal is quite clueless wrt what line and length he needs to bowl and which variations when and why he needs to employ. Hence yes Bilal would be impressing in some games but won't be a threatening offie as like Saqlain or Ajmal in the long run. Hence to PCB, Sarfraz, Mickey and Inzi I suggest to employ Saqlain for 2-3 months off season camp and work with

1. Haseeb ur Rehman (ZTBL)

2. Agha Salman (HBL)

3. Ashiq Ali (HBL)

4. Ahmer Ejaz (Sargodha)



Haseeb must be called to NCA by Inzamam and Mudassar soon. He is near finished article both as a spinner and batsman and can replace unfit Hafeez anytime when required.


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Please report him again for illegal action.
Don't...If they guy isn't good enough to play Intl. Cricket then that's fine, but to wish someone harm is wrong. An illegal action will leave him with no cricket thus leaving very minimal food to put on the table for his family.
 
Don't...If they guy isn't good enough to play Intl. Cricket then that's fine, but to wish someone harm is wrong. An illegal action will leave him with no cricket thus leaving very minimal food to put on the table for his family.

This guy is good for ODI's and T20's, but is selected in wrong format.
 
I have seen him bowl the doosra and as per my assesment which could be wrong it seems within 15 degrees. He doesn't impart too many revs on it and action doesn't change much.



Another thing of note is ,


It's my keen observation that Bilal is quite skillful but has a poor bowling brain although he is a senior pro 33 odd on paper. Sarfraz Ahmed rightly dictates him all the time as to what he bilal needs to be bowling because on his own Bilal is quite clueless wrt what line and length he needs to bowl and which variations when and why he needs to employ. Hence yes Bilal would be impressing in some games but won't be a threatening offie as like Saqlain or Ajmal in the long run. Hence to PCB, Sarfraz, Mickey and Inzi I suggest to employ Saqlain for 2-3 months off season camp and work with

1. Haseeb ur Rehman (ZTBL)

2. Agha Salman (HBL)

3. Ashiq Ali (HBL)

4. Ahmer Ejaz (Sargodha)



Haseeb must be called to NCA by Inzamam and Mudassar soon. He is near finished article both as a spinner and batsman and can replace unfit Hafeez anytime when required.


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Firstly there is nothing wrong with his action.
Secondly, there is too much focus on his batting....he is no all rounder
thirdly, hes one of the best off spinners i have seen lately. He has everything he needs..now needs to just settle down on a tidy line and length and focus on containment and drift..hes trying too many variations and errs often. This is his downfall in Tests. A good test bowler can always make it in LOI but a Good LOI bowler cant always be Test material.

BUT!! make no mistake, in a couple of years he will be racing to 50 wickets..
 
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