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Boyd Rankin announces his retirement from international & inter-provincial cricket immediately [#58]

Follos on from Ed Joyce.

A joke the whole thing really.

Pick a country and stick to it.
 
It's a complete mockery, this sort of stuff happens only in cricket.
 
Can't blame them. I am sure Boyd Rankin rather play for Ireland than England but with England he has more opportunity (more ODIS and tests).

Can't blame him for believing in himself and saying I am going to give it a run. Still have to be talented enough to get selected, that too in the Ashes. But overall, realized that he wasn't probably going to get back in with the emergence of Jordan and Wood. That is why I been arguing for some sort of test lite version for Ireland. Or give them more funding to better their own domestic structure. They have the talent and unlike other Associates, don't have ex-pats making up the team (aka Canada or Hong Kong).
 
I'm all for it.

Anything that strengthens second tier countries and provides more competition has to be a good thing. I'd like to see Ballance and Taylor play for Zimbabwe too.

I'd prefer to say that you can change once to a country that you lived in or had a passport for before the age of 18, but can change back at any time to your original country if it is not ranked in the Top 5 Test teams.
 
I am fine with players returning to their former teams. Zimbabwe, Ireland, needs all their players available
 
So if he wanted could he return to England next time he wants again? Or are laws in place to prevent?
 
Even Eoin Morgan should have done it, but now he is the one-day captain anyway so there's no point really.
 
It's a farce isn't it.

As far as I am concerned once you've played for a country you shouldnt be allowed to play for another, unless there are special circumstances.
 
It shouldnt be allowed between test playing nations but if it makes the Associates stronger i dont see a problem.
 
It should definitely be allowed, the waiting period is a long time (2 years)...that's MORE than enough of a penalty.

This is someone's livelihood we are talking about, he wasn't able to get to the international stage with England, it only makes sense to go back and try to do that with another country.
 
Follos on from Ed Joyce.

A joke the whole thing really.

Pick a country and stick to it.

Its a rather complicated issue when you think about it.

Picture this, you've got a very talented 18 yo player from an Associate nation, lets say Scotland. Now this player was spotted at a very young age e.g 13 and has been involved in a county teams set-up since that age.

Now at 18 he's made his FC debut, scored some runs and is being tipped on all quarters to be a great player. But, since he's been in England for four years or so he's eligible to play for England now.

Assume the ICC does introduce a "Once you choose you're stuck" rule, this 18yo is likely to reject his home nation, Scotland, because doing so would effectively end any chance he has at an international career aside from the odd ODI. Under the current system he'd actually play for the Scots for a few years before making a potential switch.

I am in favour of such a rule being implemented btw, but I dont think its quite so clear cut and doing so would actually harm many mid and lower level Associates (although many would argue its tough luck since they should be producing their own players instead).

The simplest method would be to enforce the 4 year eligiblity rule for all nations regardless of whatever retarded status they have. I personally dont think there'd be many if any Irish/Scottish or whoever cricketers willing to sacrifice international cricket for 4 years in the hope of an eventual England spot.

Plus it'd be retarded if you ban Ed Joyce/Rankin from returning back to their home nation. England dont want them anymore it benefits nobody to have them waste away in the county system the rest of their careers. Least this way the damage of a player leaving for England is minimised to an extent.

Cricket isnt unique in this btw, Costa is Brazilian born but plays for Spain and in rugby the pacific nations in particular have suffered as a result of this.
 
Cricket isnt unique in this btw, Costa is Brazilian born but plays for Spain and in rugby the pacific nations in particular have suffered as a result of this.

But it differs that Costa cannot switch back to Brazil now that he has played a competitive game in a Spain shirt.

I dont have an issue in them switching allegiances to a Full Member nation in the hopes of playing Test cricket and regular int'l cricket but playing for home nation, switching to a Full member and then switching back once it became clear you were not at the required level, reeks of opportunism and is not a good advertisement.
 
But it differs that Costa cannot switch back to Brazil now that he has played a competitive game in a Spain shirt.

I dont have an issue in them switching allegiances to a Full Member nation in the hopes of playing Test cricket and regular int'l cricket but playing for home nation, switching to a Full member and then switching back once it became clear you were not at the required level, reeks of opportunism and is not a good advertisement.

But it is opportunism, total and utter opportunism, and rather than penalize the home nation for not having enough opportunities maybe the ICC should, oh I dunno, give them more opportunities??

Either ban them from playing for any team bar their original debut side or let them switch back and forth. To allow them to switch to a full member and not switch back is just unfair on the associate who at the end of the day is the only real victim here.

Plus it benefits absolutely nobody and is probably illegal under EU/International laws. I mean how can you ban an Irishman playing for Ireland when his 2 year eligibility period has expired?
 
Can't blame them. I am sure Boyd Rankin rather play for Ireland than England but with England he has more opportunity (more ODIS and tests).

Can't blame him for believing in himself and saying I am going to give it a run. Still have to be talented enough to get selected, that too in the Ashes. But overall, realized that he wasn't probably going to get back in with the emergence of Jordan and Wood. That is why I been arguing for some sort of test lite version for Ireland. Or give them more funding to better their own domestic structure. They have the talent and unlike other Associates, don't have ex-pats making up the team (aka Canada or Hong Kong).

Yaa but these people moved there permanently. Most of them are citizens. Ranking ditched his country for cricket and now he wants to be back because he can't play for England anymore.
 
Good for Ireland there current "fast" bowlers are absolutely mediocre

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Yaa but these people moved there permanently. Most of them are citizens. Ranking ditched his country for cricket and now he wants to be back because he can't play for England anymore.

Who cares. Its Ireland. Not India Pakistan.

Lets grow the game. We have enough forces stoping that already who only look after their own interest. Lets not add another.
 
Yaa but these people moved there permanently. Most of them are citizens. Ranking ditched his country for cricket and now he wants to be back because he can't play for England anymore.

Worth remembering that even if Rankin hadn't switched to England he'd still spend the majority of his time and cricket playing career in England in the county system anyway. He probably would/still does spend more time in the year in England than in Ireland.
 
As many have said, if it's for an associate side, I'm all for it. In fact, I'd reduce the waiting time to 1 year. We have to do everything we can to strengthen associate cricket.

You can't blame the player either, getting the chance for a proper career in cricket, and to play at the highest level, is something you have to go for. But it shouldn't prevent you from ever helping your home side if you can't make it.
 
Look at someone like George Dockrell. Since the WC this year, he basically has nothing exciting to look forward to. There's no WC for Ireland in 2019, no test cricket, and not much else going on. England seriously need a spinner, one who can play all formats, and I could see him being an essential part of the XI in a year or two, if he chooses to.

But what if he chooses England (which only makes sense), but never quite sticks in the XI, falls short, and is out of the team by 28, with some young spinning talent taking the reins for England (ha!). Does it not make sense for him to best utilize his talent back for Ireland, and help that side become stronger?
 
Look at someone like George Dockrell. Since the WC this year, he basically has nothing exciting to look forward to. There's no WC for Ireland in 2019, no test cricket, and not much else going on. England seriously need a spinner, one who can play all formats, and I could see him being an essential part of the XI in a year or two, if he chooses to.

But what if he chooses England (which only makes sense), but never quite sticks in the XI, falls short, and is out of the team by 28, with some young spinning talent taking the reins for England (ha!). Does it not make sense for him to best utilize his talent back for Ireland, and help that side become stronger?

Not good enough to get in a county team at the moment yet you can see him being being an essential member of the England squad in all formats in the next year or 2? That's an interesting prediction.
 
its not like he's breaking any global law or something. he wants to earn and do better for himself, so he should get the freedom of that

Also people forgetting Australia's Dirk Nannes did the same. Played cricket in Australia as Australian, transferred to Netherlands, represented them and then moved back to Australia again. Now that is pathetic, because

A- You were going to leave Australia to represent another country for money

B- When he saw a slot opening in Australia, instantly jumped ship and went to Australia and played for them (Loyalty wasn't his case here). He betrayed Netherlands.

Now, if Joyce or Rankin do something like this then it should be deemed ridiculous. Rankin is only returning to his birth roots, nothing wrong with that.
 
Not good enough to get in a county team at the moment yet you can see him being being an essential member of the England squad in all formats in the next year or 2? That's an interesting prediction.

Perhaps a bit ambitious, but it's possible he gets to that level. Plus, we all know county cricket is a deathbed for spinners. His FC record is quite decent, and he could probably fit in the England T20 side right now.

Besides, that's kind of irrelevant to the point I was making.
 
Worth remembering that even if Rankin hadn't switched to England he'd still spend the majority of his time and cricket playing career in England in the county system anyway. He probably would/still does spend more time in the year in England than in Ireland.

True, but i wouldn't like a player to representing another country at the international stage when your country needs you.
 
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Rather than entertain thoughts of Dockrell or whoever playing for England why not make it so that he doesnt need to leave in the first place by actually giving all teams a decent no. of games?

Anything else is a stop gap that wont stop the exodus of players.
 
Perhaps a bit ambitious, but it's possible he gets to that level. Plus, we all know county cricket is a deathbed for spinners. His FC record is quite decent, and he could probably fit in the England T20 side right now.

Besides, that's kind of irrelevant to the point I was making.

I know it's kind of irrelevant again but; he could probably get into the England T20 side right now despite struggling to get in the Somerset T20 side (prior to being released to a countyless status that is)?
 
I know it's kind of irrelevant again but; he could probably get into the England T20 side right now despite struggling to get in the Somerset T20 side (prior to being released to a countyless status that is)?

Problem with George is he's been found out. Was unplayable in his debut year but since then has added little variation and batsmen know how to play him. Needs to get a move to any county in any division that are willing to give him lots of game time (which is what he desperately needs).

Hope he gets a shot at a smaller county like Leics where he's likely to be their premiere spinner as opposed to understudy like he was at Somerset.
 
Not good enough to get in a county team at the moment yet you can see him being being an essential member of the England squad in all formats in the next year or 2? That's an interesting prediction.

Given the state of our spin "attack".......
 
Given the state of our spin "attack".......

Don't see what difference that makes. How does that make someone who can't get in his county team capable of instantly hopping into the England team?

Donal Cozzie said:
Problem with George is he's been found out. Was unplayable in his debut year but since then has added little variation and batsmen know how to play him. Needs to get a move to any county in any division that are willing to give him lots of game time (which is what he desperately needs). Hope he gets a shot at a smaller county like Leics where he's likely to be their premiere spinner as opposed to understudy like he was at Somerset. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Should-this-be-allowed&p=8156640#post8156640

Think someone like Leicestershire would jump at the opportunity to have him really and he could be of real use to them.
 
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Its a rather complicated issue when you think about it.

Picture this, you've got a very talented 18 yo player from an Associate nation, lets say Scotland. Now this player was spotted at a very young age e.g 13 and has been involved in a county teams set-up since that age.

Now at 18 he's made his FC debut, scored some runs and is being tipped on all quarters to be a great player. But, since he's been in England for four years or so he's eligible to play for England now.

Assume the ICC does introduce a "Once you choose you're stuck" rule, this 18yo is likely to reject his home nation, Scotland, because doing so would effectively end any chance he has at an international career aside from the odd ODI. Under the current system he'd actually play for the Scots for a few years before making a potential switch.

I am in favour of such a rule being implemented btw, but I dont think its quite so clear cut and doing so would actually harm many mid and lower level Associates (although many would argue its tough luck since they should be producing their own players instead).

The simplest method would be to enforce the 4 year eligiblity rule for all nations regardless of whatever retarded status they have. I personally dont think there'd be many if any Irish/Scottish or whoever cricketers willing to sacrifice international cricket for 4 years in the hope of an eventual England spot.

Plus it'd be retarded if you ban Ed Joyce/Rankin from returning back to their home nation. England dont want them anymore it benefits nobody to have them waste away in the county system the rest of their careers. Least this way the damage of a player leaving for England is minimised to an extent.

Cricket isnt unique in this btw, Costa is Brazilian born but plays for Spain and in rugby the pacific nations in particular have suffered as a result of this.

Tbh, and ill admit my ignorance here, I really did not know about the two year 'waiting' period and was under the impression that you can just return to playing for your 'home' team on a whim. In the current scenario it makes sense.

So I assume in the future if he gets to such a level that he has a shot of being a regular for England, he will again have to wait for the 2 year period rather than switching allegiances in no time?
 
Tbh, and ill admit my ignorance here, I really did not know about the two year 'waiting' period and was under the impression that you can just return to playing for your 'home' team on a whim. In the current scenario it makes sense.

So I assume in the future if he gets to such a level that he has a shot of being a regular for England, he will again have to wait for the 2 year period rather than switching allegiances in no time?

The 2 year qualification period doesn't apply from associate to full member, although they obviously must qualify through some means whether it be citizenship, residence, birth etc. Problem is if Rankin switched back again he'd then have to do another 2 years to qualify for Ireland again. There's talk however that if he refused an England call up then his county contract would be at risk as a result though.
 
Boyd Rankin switches back to Ireland

Today he played a t20l vs UAE and took 3 for 17

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Switched back 2 months ago, been in excellent form too.

Alas he'll be leaving the world t20 early because we are an absolutely awful batting team in this format.
 
I'm all for it.

Anything that strengthens second tier countries and provides more competition has to be a good thing. I'd like to see Ballance and Taylor play for Zimbabwe too.

I'd prefer to say that you can change once to a country that you lived in or had a passport for before the age of 18, but can change back at any time to your original country if it is not ranked in the Top 5 Test teams.

Lol we should get Khawaja then
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Boyd Rankin:<br><br>January 2014 - Test debut for England versus Australia<br>July 2019 - Playing a Test match for Ireland versus England<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIRE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIRE</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1153961766730326016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Absolutely no problem with it at the time as its a very important to Irish cricket. Now they are a full test playing nation then it should be the usual waiting period.

What needs addressing is the circumstances that cause players like Rankin switch away in the first place.
 
If Rankin followed all the rules, I don't see an issue with him changing sides. It is not like he is playing illegally.
 
No problem with Rankin changing sides. Even if it's at England's expense he's still followed the rules from what I can see.
 
England are Ireland are all part of UK, it's the same as a Punjabi playing for Tamil Nadu. Better questio, why does UK have so many 'international' teams?
 
England are Ireland are all part of UK, it's the same as a Punjabi playing for Tamil Nadu. Better questio, why does UK have so many 'international' teams?

No. You got it wrong.

Northern Ireland is part of UK. Ireland is a different country and it is not part of United Kingdom.
 
England are Ireland are all part of UK, it's the same as a Punjabi playing for Tamil Nadu. Better questio, why does UK have so many 'international' teams?

The Republic of Ireland is a separate country, you're thinking northern ireland.
 
What if Eoin Morgan had retired after winning world cup, gone back to Ireland and then few weeks later helped lead Ireland on same ground to beat them in this test. That would have been epic.
 
It's a unified team based in dublin.

Imagine a unified West Bengal and Bangladesh team lol. Good thing there's barely any nationalism in Europe due to EU. Still don't make sense why Scotland has it's own team.

Its the Republic of Ireland - totally independent country, and Northern Ireland, part of the UK, under an all island banner.

Ireland plays as a single nation in virtually every single sport bar football, where Northern Ireland and the Republic are separate for a host of reasons none of which really have to do with football.

And lol at Europe having no nationalism. Literally couldnt be more wrong.
 
Its the Republic of Ireland - totally independent country, and Northern Ireland, part of the UK, under an all island banner.

Ireland plays as a single nation in virtually every single sport bar football, where Northern Ireland and the Republic are separate for a host of reasons none of which really have to do with football.

And lol at Europe having no nationalism. Literally couldnt be more wrong.

Das vut i said lol
 
England are Ireland are all part of UK, it's the same as a Punjabi playing for Tamil Nadu. Better questio, why does UK have so many 'international' teams?

The Republic of Ireland left the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1922, taking 26 of the 32 counties of the island of Ireland. The other six counties remain in the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

There are four kingdoms in the United Kingdom and each has its national side, except in the Olympics where Great Britain includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, even though NI is separate from
 
Boyd Rankin who played for both Ireland and England has announced his international retirement.
 
Almost 18 years after Boyd Rankin’s debut for Ireland, the legendary 6’8” paceman - who is one of only 15 players to in cricket history to represent two countries at Test cricket - has announced his retirement from international and inter-provincial cricket immediately.

The 36-year old seamer made his international debut for Ireland in 2003 at the age of 19 against the Free Foresters. He went on to play 153 times for Ireland between 2003 and 2020 in two stints, separated by a three-year period playing for England during which time he made his Test debut in an Ashes Test against Australia in 2014.

Renowned for the natural bounce he could extract out of any pitch, and ability to swing the ball both ways, Rankin claimed 229 wickets at 23.39 apiece for Ireland – finishing his career as the eighth highest Irish wicket-taker at international level. His two most productive wicket-taking seasons were 2018 and 2019 with 30 and 47 wickets respectively, showing his enduring value to his national side over recent campaigns.

Amongst his wickets, perhaps his most memorable scalp was in 2018 when he claimed the first-ever wicket for Ireland in men’s Test cricket at Malahide against Pakistan. However, equally up in the career highlights were also the three wickets he claimed against the same opponents at the 2007 Cricket World Cup as part of that seminal Irish victory.

Rankin also had a successful 15-year career in English county cricket playing with several sides, but most notably an 11-year stint at Warwickshire County Cricket Club.

Announcing his decision, Rankin said:

“To retire from international cricket is always a tough call, but I feel now is the right time to step away. I have put my heart and soul into playing cricket professionally since 2003 and have loved every minute of it. I never dreamt I would play for Ireland as much as I did and to travel the world playing in numerous World Cups and to pull on the Irish jersey is something I will never forget. To have also a long career in county cricket especially during my 11-year stint with Warwickshire where we won the County Championship, 50-over competition twice and the T20 Blast in 2014 was very special and something I am very grateful for. I always strived to be the best player I could be and to play at the highest level possible, so to make my Test debut for England during a time when Ireland wasn’t a Test-playing nation was a very proud moment. I will miss all the guys I played alongside the most and enjoying the wins we had along the way."

“There are many people to thank for helping me on this journey, firstly my parents for introducing me to the game and taking me to practice and games as a kid growing up, and for supporting me throughout my career. Also to my partner Anna who has helped and supported me for the last part of my career. There are various coaches that have helped me along the way - Brían O'Rourke in my younger years with Ireland underage teams, Mike Hendrick during my time at Derbyshire and Ireland helped me in my early years to become the bowler I became, Adi Birrell for giving me the opportunity during the 2007 World Cup, as well as Phil Simmons, John Bracewell and Graham Ford over my Ireland career. Ashley Giles, Dougie Brown, Allan Donald and Graeme Welch also had a massive influence on me at Warwickshire, and I thank them for all their help and guidance. It’s hard to single out individual coaches but all those guys all deserve a mention."

"My best memories and achievements that stick out for me would be the World Cup wins - in 2007 World Cup beating Pakistan and Bangladesh to put Irish cricket on the world map, and the 2011 win against England. Being part of the team to play Ireland’s first men’s Test match was a special moment, as well as taking Ireland’s first Test wicket."

“Finally, thank you for the support from everyone involved in Irish cricket - the support has been amazing over the years and to see all the supporters in the stands cheering the boys in green on during games all around the world has been our 12th Man! I hope cricket in Ireland continues to grow and I wish Fordy, Andy and the players well for the future."


Graham Ford, Head Coach of the men’s international side, said:

“Unfortunately Father Time catches up with all cricketers. Sadly it is now Boyd’s time, but he can be so proud of his brilliant career and all of what he has achieved in the game. During my involvement with Cricket Ireland, he has been an ultimate professional, shown great courage while bowling through body niggles and put in many high impact performances. I sincerely wish him a highly successful and exciting next life chapter.”


Gary Wilson, Head Coach of the North West Warriors and long-term international teammate, said:

“I had the pleasure of playing with Boyd for a number of years. He was a great man to have on your team – certainly, better to have him with you than playing against you, as we found out a couple of times when he went to play for England. He deserves all the plaudits he is going to get from the cricket community right across the world, and I’d just like to congratulate him on what has been a fantastic career. It’s been a career which he should be very proud of, and one which every Irish cricket fan should be proud of him for.”

“I hope we haven’t seen the last of him in North West Warriors colours, hopefully he’ll be able to help the boys as and when his time allows it, but for now he should just enjoy retirement with the family, get the feet up and enjoy a rest.”


Richard Holdsworth, Performance Director at Cricket Ireland, said:

“On behalf of the management and staff of Cricket Ireland I’d like to thank Boyd for his many years of service to Irish cricket. While Irish cricket fans will have many memories of Boyd in action, certainly the proudest moment for me was when he induced an edge from Azhar Ali that flew to William Porterfield to claim Ireland Men’s first-ever Test wicket. The excitement on the face of Boyd said it all, and showed how much playing for Ireland meant to him.”

“Boyd should rightly be proud of a stellar career that saw him play at the highest levels of the game for so long and as the stats show, he was getting better with age. He has played a part in many legendary matches for the boys in green, and he was always a professional yet highly personable player to work with.”

“We all wish Boyd well in his next steps and know that he will continue to actively support the lads from the other side of the fence.”
 
A few players we know well....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55357;&#56545;: RANKIN RETIRES<a href="https://twitter.com/boydrankin?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@boydrankin</a> has announced his retirement from international and inter-provincial cricket after today’s match.<br><br>➡️ Read Boyd’s thoughts here: <a href="https://t.co/ZDLBtyTfwR">https://t.co/ZDLBtyTfwR</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ThankYouBoyd?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ThankYouBoyd</a> ☘️&#55356;&#57295; <a href="https://t.co/fEYzOkSCS8">pic.twitter.com/fEYzOkSCS8</a></p>— Cricket Ireland (@cricketireland) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketireland/status/1395694406464856067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2021</a></blockquote>
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