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this is the most wasted show on tv along with big brother xfactor dancing on ice the list goes on. why are wasting our tv licence on such rubbish.
 
Our TV license goes to the BBC - this show is on ITV so our TV License does not pay for this rubbish
 
Geordie, that may well be true. But what utter rubbish do the BBC broadcast daily - truly insulting to the thinking man/woman!

TV is awful - surely most of it is reserved for the brain-dead. Hopefully the world cup football tournament will brighten and liven things up a bit.
 
Jadz said:
Geordie, that may well be true. But what utter rubbish do the BBC broadcast daily - truly insulting to the thinking man/woman!

TV is awful - surely most of it is reserved for the brain-dead. Hopefully the world cup football tournament will brighten and liven things up a bit.
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I agree its nonsense - I avoid these reality shows like the plague, mind numbing
 
Dreadful programs these. Overly cheesy, especially once it gets 'serious' with the live shows - the music they play and the coverage in the media makes you cringe.
 
I follow it on youtube, some of the acts are pretty cool. A lot of garbage acts but some real good ones like this acrobatic one with a bunch of high-schoolers. They stuff they do is insane stuff (like use a girl as a skipping rope while the guy jumped over her).

I would at least say this show is better than the likes of American (Pop) Idol or dancing witht he stars or whatever.
 
Amir said:
I follow it on youtube, some of the acts are pretty cool. A lot of garbage acts but some real good ones like this acrobatic one with a bunch of high-schoolers. They stuff they do is insane stuff (like use a girl as a skipping rope while the guy jumped over her).

I would at least say this show is better than the likes of American (Pop) Idol or dancing witht he stars or whatever.
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I saw that on youtube - that was pretty cool, very talented gymnasts

You are right they do have some decent acts BUT I wait for people to tell me about them and then watch them on youtube instead of watching the entire show
 
Britian/America's got talent is still fun to watch sometimes but I don't get the point of shows like Big Brother.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
I saw that on youtube - that was pretty cool, very talented gymnasts

You are right they do have some decent acts BUT I wait for people to tell me about them and then watch them on youtube instead of watching the entire show
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Yeah check out Tobias Mead (break dancer) and Paul Burling (really good impersonator. I don't understand all the personalities he does, because he makes fun of more British characters I guess).

And if your wife is not around...Ruby's girls. Not talented or technical at all....but they very entertaining for the guys eyes :D :p
 
Oh no,not....him ?

Those men flashing their legs Lady Gaga,Beyonce and Madonna-esque was deeply disturbing.

Should have been after the watershed !
 
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last time susan boyle was very famous. This time anybody reached fame like her??
 
Desire said:
last time susan boyle was very famous. This time anybody reached fame like her??
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Yeah,she was unfortunate not to have gone on to win.Out of all the people from last year,we talk about Susan Boyle more than Diversity.She would have been a worthy winner.
 
Hari Sombar said:
:)))

Nope, its all about the madonna dancer
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That is what shocks me the most. The judges pick the semi-finalist and I have no idea how these drag queens make it through. This year actually hasn't been good as last year.

I think they pick such acts for comedy value because those are no talents.
 
Amir said:
That is what shocks me the most. The judges pick the semi-finalist and I have no idea how these drag queens make it through. This year actually hasn't been good as last year.

I think they pick such acts for comedy value because those are no talents.
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Yep, sometimes it annoys me that they put stupid acts like these through just to make them feel better, so they can knock themn out in the next round.

Like the irish dancer, they just put him through because he is 75. These nonsense acts make the show stupid.

The good acts are:

Paul Birling
Twist & Pulse
 
Final lineup decided.

Singers

Connected
Janey Cutler
Christopher Stone
Liam McNally

Dancers
Tobias Mead
Twist and Pulse

The Rest

Spelbound (Gymnastics)
Tina and Chandi (Dancing Dog Act)
Paul Burling (Impressionist)
Kieran Gaffney (Drummer)
 
ones who dont deserve to be there are Liam McNally, Janey Cutler and Kieran Gaffney
 
This year's finals are kind of disappointing to be honest.

Don't really see Connected, Tina/Chandi, Paul Burling, and Gaffney winning it.

Which narrows it down to 6.
 
there is hardly anyone rejected this time. Boring. I think someone should make a program "World got talent" . would be interesting to see how somebody singing bulle shah can get judges attention.
 
The last two BGT winners were Diversity and Spelbound,the acts which came on last :))

They seriously need to change the name to 'Britains got memory loss'
 
Spelbound were great, definitely talented. You can't say that about a lot of people that enter
 
Not too sure. The Hoff and Michael McIntyre new judges I think this year. Show wasn't the same without Simon, hate him or love him, he's hilarious.
 
Yes. Not the same without him. Would have been nice to see Cheryl instead of Amanda...
 
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That Matrix guy was amazing, some crazy moves

This french kid was awesome as well, some mind boggling moves

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This past weekend's was kind of weak to be honest. Not sure how that poodle act made it through although I doubt they'll be put through to the semi's.
 
This years BGT has been crap without Simon Cowell. Watched the first few audition shows but couldnt be bothered after that. Have hardly seen any of the live semi's this week and....they need to bring something new
 
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I would not put anything past Cowell frankly.

Reducing that poor girl to tears yesterday and now bringing that Michael dancer back to try to split the vote in tonights 'dance-off' with Razy

It is all about manipulating the vote.

The story sounds well sourced you don't make up that much detail off the cuff.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
That Matrix guy was amazing, some crazy moves

This french kid was awesome as well, some mind boggling moves

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I can't believe he didnt get through the semi finals - what boils by blood even more is that the 3 clueless judges decided to allow some fools through the semi's who have no talent at all and on the other hand they ignore talented peple like the French dancer, absolutely gutted that he didn't make it through.

I must say BGT hasn't been as good as the days when the MJ dancer and Sikh guy dominated the stage, that was the best series and since then... It's been nothing but full of drama and talent lacking people.
 
Still makes me laugh!

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Did you guys read this?

BRITAIN'S GOT TALENT and the RONAN PARKE CONNECTION

For reasons which will become obvious, I can't reveal my full identity. But let me just say that, I am an executive with Sony
Music UK with many years experience in music mangement. My work involves close liasion with Simon Cowell's SYCO
company (specifically SYCO Music and SYCO TV) and, as a result, I have seen what goes on from the inside and this has
left me increasingly uncomfortable about the integrity of Britain's Got Talent and particularly the workings of SYCO.
It's long been known that there is a quite a degree of "fixing" in BGT. ( Daily Mail http://bit.ly/fxkWne ) But press reports on
"fixing" are only the tip pf the iceberg when it comes to SYCO's manipulation of, not only the show and the contestants, but
also the viewing public and hopefully, in this email, I can shine some light on the smoke and mirrors trickery of SYCO.
Take BGT 2011 for example. Scouts working for SYCO first saw Ronan Parke (the 12 year old singer) some two years ago
when he was just 10 and was singing at a birthday party for former Norwich City goal-keeper, Bryan Gunn. Following that,
Ronan was privately auditioned by SYCO scouts on two more occasions and, as is usual practice on BGT, he was "invited" to
audition for the show as a "preferred" contestant. At the same time, Ronan and his parents were "required" to enter into a
contract with SYCO. Like all SYCO contracts, it is heavily weighted in favour of the label and are notoriously bad, even in the
cut-throat world of the music industry. Simon effectively signed Ronan for life and he's got little or no chance of ever getting
out of it...unless Simon decides to terminate. Recording contracts are legally extremely complex and usually require input and
advice from very expensive, specialist contract lawyers. SYCO knows that such legal advice goes well beyond the means of
most contestants. As one senior SYCO executive said to me recently. "These people are mugs. They'll sign away their own
mother just to get on tv. It's a ****ing turkey-shoot and then we own their arses!"
As is common for "invited" contestants that SYCO likes and have already signed, Ronan and his parents were provided with a
car to drive them to the audition in London. These "invited" contestants don't have to queue up with everyone else, they
don't go through the preliminary auditions with producers, but perform straight to Simon and the judging panel at a prearranged
time-slot. And so it was for Ronan back in 2009 when he was just 10.
It was at this initial audition that I first met Ronan and he looked very different back then. He was a skinny, 10 year old lad
who, even at that time, was a bit effeminate. His voice needed a bit of working on, but that wouldn't be a problem.
Unfortunately, nerves got the better of Ronan and he was unable to perform. Simon however, had already seen the audition
tapes from the scouts and took Ronan into an unused dressing room and got him to sing in there with his mum for support.
Clearly Ronan was not going to be part of BGT in 2009 and nothing from this was ever televised.
Ordinarily, you would think that would be the end of things, but with Ronan already signed to SYCO, far from it. This was just
the start of a two year grooming and manipulation process to prepare Ronan for stardom.
It's no big secret that Simon has been looking for an artist who could crack the very lucrative pre-teen market for some time,
particularly in the US. If you like, he wanted his own rival to Bieber and, taking a leaf out of how professional football
academies develop youngersters to feed their main team, Simon wanted his own singing academy and Ronan was just one of
a number of identified youngsters, with whom SYCO intensively works with.
A development package, which included professional singing, dancing and stage-craft tuition was arranged for Ronan and
the SYCO machine kicked into gear with the view of Ronan entering BGT 2010. Lots of work had been done with Ronan
and his voice was much improved, unfortunately nerves were still a major issue for him and it was decided by SYCO not to
enter him into the 2010 series.
At a following senior exec meeting at SYCO it was suggested that Ronan be dropped, but with Simon confident that he could
be the kid he had been looking for, it was agreed that Ronan would receive "intensive support and input" to ready him for the
2011 series. Although Ronan's voice was now stunning, there were other major problems to be dealt with in order to sell him
to the public. With respect to Ronan, he was nothing more than a cooky-looking, skinny runt of a kid and this was identified
as a major handicap to sales.
It was agreed at a high-level, secret SYCO meeting, that if they were to do anything with Ronan, he needed totally restyling
from the toes up. And so with time running out to develop Ronan into the star Simon wanted, SYCO went into overdrive.
Ronan was even given speech and elocution training to rid him of his rural Norfolk accent, again in preparation for the
potential US market. As for his effeminate and girlishness, this posed a bigger problem and resulted in many highly
confidential meetings. At one of these meetings, the unthinkable was raised as a way forward....
Until now Ronan had been encouraged to "boy-up" and it was planned to present Ronan as an everyday skater-boy. But
with his girliness still showing through, the image just wasn't believable. So a decision was taken to encourage and allow
Ronan to "release" and enhance his campness . Disgustingly, SYCO planned to sexualise him. They were well aware of
course, that if they sexualised a young girl to look sexually older than she is, all hell would let loose. But with Ronan, as one
executive put it, "no one has ever seen a 'gay' kid before, it'll be a novelty." As for the pre-teen market, it was accepted they
wouldn't care if Ronan appeared gay or not...most probably don't know what gay is anyway. And so, with a total gaysexualisation
of Ronan secretly planned, SYCO got to work. I should stress, Ronan's parents were not aware of any of this
and were never consulted about Ronan's development or management. When I first met Ronan he was a bit effeminate in
his ways, but nothing like the camp, girlie-giggling kid you see now on BGT and this is a direct result of SYCO's styling. Even
his clothing worn at the audition and live semi-final were chosen for him by SYCO to match his new image.
SYCO took over everything to do with Ronan. His hairstyle, his clothes, his poise, giving tv interviews, you name it, Ronan
was styled within an inch of his life and all on the promise of stardom, just as long as he worked hard and listened to his
mentors. As for Ronan's parents they were constantly reassured that Simon was personally looking after Ronan and "it's all
good".
And so to BGT 2011. With Ronan ready to be unveiled, SYCO bosses, under instructions from Simon did something not
done in previous series of BGT; the winner of BGT 2011 was decided long before the first auditions took place and that
winner HAD to be Ronan Parke. With Ronan now 12, he looked and sounded just as SYCO had planned, but time was
running out. Soon Ronan would be going into puberty and his voice would eventually break, so BGT 2011 had to be the
vehicle to launch Ronan's career; another year and as a singer he would probably be beyond any meaningful career and the
opportunity will have been missed. With all this investment in Ronan, the production managers at SYCO TV are ready to
deliver Ronan as ordered. Again, I need to stress, Ronan and his parents know nothing of this and have no idea Ronan will
win BGT this weekend.
So far in the history of BGT and X-Factor, for that matter, no one has ever won who has not been an "invited or preferred"
contestant, and it does sadden me that, all those thousands of people, lining up outside, often in the rain and cold, are
basically wasting their time. The producers of BGT are not looking for the talented people, they aready have those. The
reality is that the producers are hunting out oddities, freaks and, I'm ashamed to say, mentally ill people, to act as amusing
fillers in the audition shows. They are nothing more than unpaid extras and they don't even qualify for traveling expenses!
It's quite disgusting and shameful really, how the production team on BGT operate. People come from all over the country,
often at great personal expense, because they think BGT is a talent competition and they stand a chance of realising their
dreams. I can tell you from the inside that BGT is no more a "competition", than I am an astronaut. Nothing is left to chance
on BGT, everything is micro-managed, choreographed, manipulated and planned down to the last detail including, the
telephone voting.
The ability to manipulate viewers opinion is vital if you are to control telephone voting and indeed get the required result.
SYCO see this as essential to the success of the show and are very open about fact; planning and delivering live shows of
quality is impossible if it was purely left to the public vote. As Simon said in a meeting once. "The public NEED to be told who
to vote for." Everything on BGT is geared towards telling you who you should for, particularly on the production side. It's an
art really, which Simon has honed to perfection and SYCO are now world leaders at.
The micro-management of Ronan's audition performance was incredible. I was really quite shocked at his new image. From a
starting point of wanting Ronan to look cute for the pre-teen market, SYCO had totally gayed him up in the process. Ronan's
not a 16 year old expressing his sexualty for the first time, he's a 12 year old boy. It was horrible and I was very
uncomfortable as to where this was going to end. Ronan, still suffering from nerves, performed his song and received a
standing ovation from all three judges...why? Because it was in the script to give Ronan a standing ovation. As for Louis
comment. "Ronan Parke. Remember that name. This kid's gonna be a star!!" - that was actually fed to him from the
production gallery and I know the guy who wrote the line. And when it comes to Ronan's tears...well, check it out on
YouTube or something. You see Ronan crying and wiping away tears. Only you don't see any actual tears, not even on
close-up and on an HD tv. Yep you guessed it, even that was choreographed, right down to the lip-biting!
It was also interesting to see that even before the final credits rolled on Ronan's audition show, SYCO TV had uploaded the
offical video of Ronan onto YouTube. Today, that particular video has been viewed over 2.5 million times and growing.
SYCO don't do that for other contestants, so why Ronan? The gaying-up Ronan plan slightly backfired on SYCO when lots
of negative comments were being posted on YouTube and Twitter about Ronan's image and the supposed sexuality that
represents. Things got so bad on YouTube that the posting of comments had to be suspended. But SYCO learned from
this and dressed Ronan more appropriately for his semi-final show; preferring a much more Bieber inspired look to the 'gaykid'
image presented in the audition.
In another unusal move for BGT contestants, SYCO created Ronan's Official Facebook Fan Page and Twitter account. Both
these services are managed from within SYCO and they post messages and pictures, not Ronan. This is because they don't
want Ronan posting anything controversial and is standard practice for currrent artists signed to SYCO.
And so this weekend will see Ronan crowned as winner of BGT 2011. Oh and let's not forget the £100k prize money. It's
unlikely Ronan will see much or any of that. He's been signed to SYCO for two years now and under the terms of his
contract, while SYCO stump-up for costs in advance, this is paid back from future earnings. So he will need to pay for all
those lessons, coaches, cars, clothes, styling and management... I wouldn't be surprised even after winning BGT, if he is not
still in debt to SYCO.
As a recording artist Ronan has a relatively short shelf-life. Simon knows he is going to have to hit the ground running to
maximise Ronan's earning potential, particularly if they go ahead with a planned break into the States and the pace is going
to be frantic for Ronan. If you think the music industry is bad in the UK, you haven't seen anything until you experience it
Stateside. With an "anything goes" attitude all morals have long since gone out of the window. There will be no allowance
for Ronan's age and he will be expected to perform on late- night shows and dinners etc. And if he get exhausted, there's
always some sleaze-bag on hand ready to put a line of coke under his nose. I've seen it a million times.
I know for a fact, that the songs have already been chosen for Ronan's debut single and album, and that the backing and
drum tracks have already been laid down.
Of course, once Ronan's voice breaks, it's game-over and he will be commercially redundant for a few years. By the time he
gets through that, the world will have moved on and his fan-base will have grown-up a bit. Will he make a comeback? In my
experience I'd say probably not.
I've met Ronan a few times over the past couple of years. He's a really nice kid with a generous, warm personality and the
most wonderfully cute, girlie-giggle. There's nothing to not like about Ronan. He's a really sensitive soul and this comes
across as him being a bit effeminate. But in a world of thuggish chavs, Ronan's a real breath of fresh air really and a real
delight to chat to. Do I think Ronan's gay? No, is the short answer to that. SYCO have got a lot to answer for in their initial
styling and image for Ronan. Like many 12 year old boys, Ronan may have issues in coming to terms with his sexuality in a
couple of years. But right now, he's just a great kid...a bit different, I admit...but a great kid just the same.
I hope Ronan is not damaged by this experience, unforunately, history warns otherwise...but whatever, the genie is already
out of the bottle and come this weekend, Ronan's life will change forever. Whether it's a good or bad experience being a 12
year old star in today's music industry, only time will tell. But as an industry insider I have serious reservations about what is
about to happen to Ronan Parke and I doubt he or his family are ready for what's coming.
Thanks to my friends on Twitter and Facebook for getting this document out. Without you my voice would be silent.
** If you want to help expose the lie which is Britain's Got Talent, please feel free to republish this article or post a link to it

Anon
Sony Music UK
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In short, the show is scripted. Winners are picked before it even begins.

edit : sorry about formatting. Little readable here :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432223
 
So an unexpected winner...

Nothing still beats that Paul Potts audition..epic.
 
People watching Big Brother is even worse, that's a show where some people go into a house a for a year and the audience votes them out I believe. There was a few people at my last work place who made a fuss about that show, manager told them to either shut up or to pack their bags and leave.
 
in_cutter said:
So an unexpected winner...

Nothing still beats that Paul Potts audition..epic.
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Unexpected? A flippin joke if you ask me! I guess the smear campaign against Ronan was successful in the end. He was easily the best of the night and was the clear winner. Jia was just ok. Not really going to be successful in the real world. He's the new Joe McElderry or Leon Jackson if you ask me. His music is about 20 years out of date.

For me it was a competition between New Bounce and Ronan alone. Ronan was the best on the night and therefore should have won. The rest were there only to make up the numbers.
 
Usman said:
Unexpected? A flippin joke if you ask me! I guess the smear campaign against Ronan was successful in the end. He was easily the best of the night and was the clear winner. Jia was just ok. Not really going to be successful in the real world. He's the new Joe McElderry or Leon Jackson if you ask me. His music is about 20 years out of date.

For me it was a competition between New Bounce and Ronan alone. Ronan was the best on the night and therefore should have won. The rest were there only to make up the numbers.
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At the end of the day, it's the viewers who voted, so cant complain. Either way, Ronan has a big future.
 
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At the end of the day, it's the viewers who voted, so cant complain. Either way, Ronan has a big future.
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The public are a weird bunch. They vote people as winners and then don't go out and buy their albums. I think the viewers vote for who they think is a 'nice guy' rather than the best talent. Ultimately, when the mega publicity around BGT and the X Factor dies down, only the most talented survive. If the winner isn't talented enough, he or she won't survive.

I also think the vote is never really a true reflection of the public opinion. I mean most people view the 50p cost of voting as a waste of 50p! It's only the very commited fans that bother with the vote.

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Not a great series this year. Lacked the sparkle.
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I think in such a small country like ours, there's only so much talent that is yet to be unearthed! If you have 5 consecutive years of a major talent contest, you're eventually going to exhaust all the talent that there is. It's no surprise that the most talented contestants are also the youngest, because those are the only ones who haven't yet had an opportunity to enter the competition. Everyone else has had 5 years to enter, and IMO, if they really are talented, I'm sure they would have already entered by now.
 
Diversity and JLS were class.

Only other good act to come out of BGT was Signature.
 
Usman said:
I think in such a small country like ours, there's only so much talent that is yet to be unearthed! If you have 5 consecutive years of a major talent contest, you're eventually going to exhaust all the talent that there is. It's no surprise that the most talented contestants are also the youngest, because those are the only ones who haven't yet had an opportunity to enter the competition. Everyone else has had 5 years to enter, and IMO, if they really are talented, I'm sure they would have already entered by now.
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The standards of the last few years were so high that naturally expectation levels were raised amongst the public. The show has produced some sublime talent over the years and will continue to do so.
 
I've heard lots of negativity after the dog act won the competition, rightly so. Simon planted the seed before after seeing that act for the first time, saying something like that's the winner of the competition right there.

I thought the 2 opera singing teenagers were better.
 
King_Rizzy said:
I've heard lots of negativity after the dog act won the competition, rightly so. Simon planted the seed before after seeing that act for the first time, saying something like that's the winner of the competition right there.

I thought the 2 opera singing teenagers were better.
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Interesting; any links to this negativity? I thought everyone was quite happy with the dog winning.

Usman said:
Unexpected? A flippin joke if you ask me! I guess the smear campaign against Ronan was successful in the end. He was easily the best of the night and was the clear winner. Jia was just ok. Not really going to be successful in the real world. He's the new Joe McElderry or Leon Jackson if you ask me. His music is about 20 years out of date.
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At the end of the day, it's the viewers who voted, so cant complain. Either way, Ronan has a big future.
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I guess i was right! Jia is nowhere to be seen. :p

Having said that, neither is Ronan. Last year was pretty poor. The talent this year has been on another level. Easily the best year.
 
King_Rizzy said:
I've heard lots of negativity after the dog act won the competition, rightly so. Simon planted the seed before after seeing that act for the first time, saying something like that's the winner of the competition right there.

I thought the 2 opera singing teenagers were better.
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He said that about several acts.

P.S. Am I the only who was not impressed with Nu Sxool at any point in the competition? I was surprised when they got past the auditions let alone the semis and the comments they got in the final.
 
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i liked the loveable rogues, their track in the final was quite catchy
 
I agree. Shows like Britain's Got Talent produce quite a lot of rubbish and are completely time-consuming. In my mind, shows like the X-Factor are worse because they are so repetitive (everybody just sings). However, saying this, I know I will watch at least half of one episode and be astounded by one performer's brilliant abilities.
 
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