Can a Sarfraz-Moin partnership replicate what McCullum-Hesson has done for New Zealand?

[Titan24]

As we all know Mcculum and Hasson took NZ to new heights. Once Hessen was made coach and Mcculum was appointed captain one of the reason was that they both performed similar role for their state team and they had an understanding. For the sake of Pakistan we can see that Sarfaraz has had a long relationship with Moin Khan, recent example is of PSL. They both have an amazing understanding. If we see Arthur and Sarfaraz, it doesnt look like they are on same page. I have closely monitored Sarfaraz's captaincy and it was not like the way he captains against India. Because what we have seen over the last 7 years including 4 years of Waqar's tenure is that captain and coach are not on same page and captain just loses the interest after sometime. Dav Watmore era was slightly better i would say. Do you guys think that it can be the case for Pakistani cricket to have Coach-Captain combo like Sarfaraz-Moin?

 

[Slog]

Kevin Pietersen basically said this about Moin (paraphrasing) : "Moin sits there with his note pad and doesnt interfere a lot and has very little to say."

 

[Titan24]

Kevin Pietersen basically said this about Moin (paraphrasing) : "Moin sits there with his note pad and doesnt interfere a lot and has very little to say."

So may be thats the way to go with Sarfaraz. Moin must me writing down things related to players and strategies he feels need to be discussed after the match and before the match and thats it. Whatever he was doing and Sarfaraz was doing it was working. It looked like they had a clear plan in mind, they new which players to use where. Whatever it was, it worked. All would agree that QG was considered the weakest side in the 1st PSL with one Zimbabwean and one Afghani player also in the playing 11 as overseas players but look at the end result.

 

[Slog]

So may be thats the way to go with Sarfaraz. Moin must me writing down things related to players and strategies he feels need to be discussed after the match and before the match and thats it. Whatever he was doing and Sarfaraz was doing it was working. It looked like they had a clear plan in mind, they new which players to use where. Whatever it was, it worked. All would agree that QG was considered the weakest side in the 1st PSL with one Zimbabwean and one Afghani player also in the playing 11 as overseas players but look at the end result.

but overall the quality of cricket in the tournament was low man. dont think you can compare the standard

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

but overall the quality of cricket in the tournament was low man. dont think you can compare the standard

I kind of agree with what he's saying. Sarfraz is the kind of bloke who'd do well when you leave him on his own and let him execute his own plans. Clearly we can see that there is a massive clash with the mindset of how Sarfraz want's to lead the side and what Micky provides him the tools with to use in game.

We need a local coach at this point who might get Sarfraz's intention and the way he plays the game. Micky is a very professional coach but at this point in time it's seeming to be counter productive and Pakistan is suffering..

 

[Slog]

I kind of agree with what he's saying. Sarfraz is the kind of bloke who'd do well when you leave him on his own and let him execute his own plans. Clearly we can see that there is a massive clash with the mindset of how Sarfraz want's to lead the side and what Micky provides him the tools with to use in game.

We need a local coach at this point who might get Sarfraz's intention and the way he plays the game. Micky is a very professional coach but at this point in time it's seeming to be counter productive and Pakistan is suffering..

Mickey Arthur now I think is the strongest coach we have had (in terms of power he wields) since Bob Woolmer.

Apparently news in brimingham going around is that Sarfaraz wanted Junaid but Mickey overruled him

 

[KyoOne]

Sarfraz is still bacha, it was not a case of being on the same page. The strategy by Mickey/Nixon/Azhar of playing Wahab+Azhar Ali and opening with Imad basically cost us the match largely.

Blunders they were.

Sarfraz will improve bowlers rotation and field placings with time, he's not done worse than Azhar yet.

 

[KyoOne]

Mickey Arthur now I think is the strongest coach we have had (in terms of power he wields) since Bob Woolmer.

Apparently news in brimingham going around is that Sarfaraz wanted Junaid but Mickey overruled him

It could as well be, the way Mickey took responsibility of Wahab's selection meant that he imposed this decision on the captain

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Mickey Arthur now I think is the strongest coach we have had (in terms of power he wields) since Bob Woolmer.

Apparently news in brimingham going around is that Sarfaraz wanted Junaid but Mickey overruled him

I am not going to name names but someone messaged me from Birmingham this morning saying that the environment around the team is extremely bumbed out.....

I just hope this doesn't end how things normally end in Pakistan - if someone needs to go its Inzaman and the selection committee......

 

[Titan24]

Sarfaraz was the captain since his U-19 days and won the U-19 world cup for us. Bowling Imad for 6 overs without him getting a wicket was not Sarfaraz at all. He might have started with him any ways but max for two overs. Look at the way he has captained his domestic sides or even U 19 Pakistan team it was very unlike him yesterday.The thing is if we see the coaches of all the best teams now SA: Russel Domingo (South Afrcian), Newzealand: Mike Hessen (Newzealander), Australia: Darren Lehman (Australian), Indian: Anil Kumble (Indian), England, Bangladesh and Westindies are only sides which dont have a local coach. Although coaches of these teams have a proven track record in terms of success with Trevor Bayliss leading the pack while Chandika Hathurusingha and Stuart Law not far behind in terms of their track record. While If we see Micky Arthur, neither he is a local coach for us nor other than his local team SA he has produced any results.
Yes Waqar was a disaster as a local coach but so he was as a captain, Pakistan either needs a local coach who understands the Pakistani system and players or we need a foreign coach with proven track record and give him the full control as Bangladesh has done.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

As we all know Mcculum and Hasson took NZ to new heights. Once Hessen was made coach and Mcculum was appointed captain one of the reason was that they both performed similar role for their state team and they had an understanding. For the sake of Pakistan we can see that Sarfaraz has had a long relationship with Moin Khan, recent example is of PSL. They both have an amazing understanding. If we see Arthur and Sarfaraz, it doesnt look like they are on same page. I have closely monitored Sarfaraz's captaincy and it was not like the way he captains against India. Because what we have seen over the last 7 years including 4 years of Waqar's tenure is that captain and coach are not on same page and captain just loses the interest after sometime. Dav Watmore era was slightly better i would say. Do you guys think that it can be the case for Pakistani cricket to have Coach-Captain combo like Sarfaraz-Moin?

Kevin Pietersen basically said this about Moin (paraphrasing) : "Moin sits there with his note pad and doesnt interfere a lot and has very little to say."

Watch Shahid Nazir & Tanveer Ahmed's statements about Moin Khan and ICL payments.


Moin Khan pampered Umar Akmal by giving him leave from training sessions.


Moin Khan was fired as he was in a Casino a night before the match while he was in team management.


What was Moin & Inzi's role at ICL ? Listen to Saleem Altaf & Mohammad Ilyas taped leaked call at Youtube.


Read what were Miandad's suspicious reports and statements about Moin Khan when Moin was Captain and Miandad was Coach. Moin was mysteriously dropped from Pak Tour of New Zealand too.


Moin Khan has been jailed aswell for domestic voilence while being intoxicated. Reported in Media few years ago.



Etc etc etc


KP doesn't know these things.



Bookies also chose 2 of Gladiators players and 3 Khi & 1 hyderabad player for a reason. Only Pindi boy Umar Amin reported immediately to PCB while Nawaz & Irfan failed to report aswell.


Now please don't say that ethics, principles, laws, Morals should apply only on Salman Butt because of UK Courts conviction and honest upright Legend Miandad's charges were all Crap.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I am not going to name names but someone messaged me from Birmingham this morning saying that the environment around the team is extremely bumbed out.....

I just hope this doesn't end how things normally end in Pakistan - if someone needs to go its Inzaman and the selection committee......

All this started with dirty anglings of R Latif in Game On Hai Yesterday.


We are a divided nation Sorry to Say.


When we lose badly to India than somehow punjab sindh become two different countries.

 

[Titan24]

Watch Shahid Nazir & Tanveer Ahmed's statements about Moin Khan and ICL payments.


Moin Khan pampered Umar Akmal by giving him leave from training sessions.


Moin Khan was fired as he was in a Casino a night before the match while he was in team management.


What was Moin & Inzi's role at ICL ? Listen to Saleem Altaf & Mohammad Ilyas taped leaked call at Youtube.


Read what were Miandad's suspicious reports and statements about Moin Khan when Moin was Captain and Miandad was Coach. Moin was mysteriously dropped from Pak Tour of New Zealand too.


Moin Khan has been jailed aswell for domestic voilence while being intoxicated. Reported in Media few years ago.



Etc etc etc


KP doesn't know these things.



Bookies also chose 2 of Gladiators players and 3 Khi & 1 hyderabad player for a reason. Only Pindi boy Umar Amin reported immediately to PCB while Nawaz & Irfan failed to report aswell.


Now please don't say that ethics, principles, laws, Morals should apply only on Salman Butt because of UK Courts conviction and honest upright Legend Miandad's charges were all Crap.

And then we have had Waqar Younis as head coach and Mushtaq Ahmed still working in the National Cricket academy. They are also unclean according to the reports.
I am not saying that Sarfaraz-Moin can be the only combination. I am just saying that we need a captain and coach who at least are on same ground and think alike. Sarfaraz was unlike him during the game and Arthur definitely had a role in it considering he also admitted of selecting Wahab.
I would rather dont have a coach instead of having a captian and a coach in different wave lengths.
Are you satisfied with Micky Arthur as a coach?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

And then we have had Waqar Younis as head coach and Mushtaq Ahmed still working in the National Cricket academy. They are also unclean according to the reports.
I am not saying that Sarfaraz-Moin can be the only combination. I am just saying that we need a captain and coach who at least are on same ground and think alike. Sarfaraz was unlike him during the game and Arthur definitely had a role in it considering he also admitted of selecting Wahab.
I would rather dont have a coach instead of having a captian and a coach in different wave lengths.
Are you satisfied with Micky Arthur as a coach?

I don't have personal issues with Moin Khan. Than we shouldn't complain in future wrt dirty stuff.

Comparatively Mushtaq Waqar weren't in ICL so...........


I see no problem with Mickey Arthur. The problem is with players ?


Give these players Tom Moody or Gary Kirsten or Langer or even Hesson and they will perforn as good as they are doing now. Khan has no magic wand.


When you talk about Hesson & NZ do look at their Caotain, his batting cataincy ? Taylor's batting ? Guptil's impactful opening, there 4 allrounders performances, Milne Furgoson pace, their magical fielding and high class fitness aswell.


This is not one Man's Magic.


Coach in Cricket is not equal to Manager in Football.

 

[Ultimate]

I don't blame Sarfraz's captaincy much. He was not that bad, to be honest. Our batting let us down yet again. But yeah, a coach like Moin Khan will be beneficial for Sarfraz. Mickey Arthur seems like a dictator. Sarfraz will come good, don't give up on him.

 

[Titan24]

I don't have personal issues with Moin Khan. Than we shouldn't complain in future wrt dirty stuff.

Comparatively Mushtaq Waqar weren't in ICL so...........


I see no problem with Mickey Arthur. The problem is with players ?


Give these players Tom Moody or Gary Kirsten or Langer or even Hesson and they will perforn as good as they are doing now. Khan has no magic wand.


When you talk about Hesson & NZ do look at their Caotain, his batting cataincy ? Taylor's batting ? Guptil's impactful opening, there 4 allrounders performances, Milne Furgoson pace, their magical fielding and high class fitness aswell.


This is not one Man's Magic.


Coach in Cricket is not equal to Manager in Football.

If coach in cricket cant make a big impact than what do you say about England firing Peter Mores after the 2015 world cup and than getting Bayliss on board and look at them, where do they stand now.

Nothing much has changed, even players are almost same with few changes here and there. Its the mindset and you can see that even in the England Lions team (England A), which trust me has the ability to beat any side in the champions trophy as they have selected such promising and talented lot and there is definitely a role of Bayliss in that.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

If coach in cricket cant make a big impact than what do you say about England firing Peter Mores after the 2015 world cup and than getting Bayliss on board and look at them, where do they stand now.

Nothing much has changed, even players are almost same with few changes here and there. Its the mindset and you can see that even in the England Lions team (England A), which trust me has the ability to beat any side in the champions trophy as they have selected such promising and talented lot and there is definitely a role of Bayliss in that.

Take my words in Context.

 

[Haroon786]

A lot or delusion in this thread.

Doesn't matter who you have as coach, could be Langer, Kirsten, Bayliss etc., but it won't change the set of player's quality who go onto the field.

There isn't a single Pakistani batsman in the team that can consistently go big against the big teams and there isn't a single bowler in the team that can take several wickets in a match consistently either.

International coaching won't change that but rather own personal hardwork of the players and a drastic overhaul if the grass roots and domestic system.

Bangladesh who we constantly deride as inferior despite being better, much better in LOIs should be the domestic model that our system be based on.

 

[King-Misbah]

Sarfaraz does not deserve to be captain.

Look at all attributes and he fails. Firstly, he is a very timid character, need a strong personality to carry this crap Pakistan team forward. Additionally, as we seen yesterday that he's strategically not great either. Lastly, he does not look like a captain physically.