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After our improbable win - it had me thinking!

I think it will be tough for Zimbabwe but Bangla have a chance if they keep on improving.

I think their best chance would be a CT in Asian conditions due to its shorter format and because their ODI team is better than their T20 team.

Thoughts?
 
Zimbabwe... no way.

Bangladesh can but they need to keep improving. They need to play more often in different conditions.
 
Bangladesh is a good side, they can potentially win the Asia Cup sooner then later! They are good in Asian conditions and competitive at home. Zimbabwe unfortunately is gone down hill.
 
Any team can go upside and down side within a decade. 4-5 talented players, that should be enough. Nobody knew 90s Zim or WI will become so bad like now.
 
Bangladesh can win a tournament in Asia but it will take a few years, Zimbabwe has no chance in a million years
 
BD may continue to rise in rankings, but they will not win any ICC trophy at least not in the near future.
 
I think that your question should be rather changed to


Can Bangladesh/South Africa win an ICC trophy in our lifetime

Maybe Bangladesh but not South Africa.

They will never be mentally strong to win a ICC trophy. Choking is no longer a Protea joke. It's a reality
 
I think that your question should be rather changed to


Can Bangladesh/South Africa win an ICC trophy in our lifetime

Maybe Bangladesh but not South Africa.

They will never be mentally strong to win a ICC trophy. Choking is no longer a Protea joke. It's a reality
I reckon Bangladesh will win an ICC trophy before SA.
 
ICC knockout 1998(precursor to champions trophy) South Africe won that. Bangladesh has chance in WC2023 which will be in India.
 
Bangladesh has a young side that can get pretty solid with experience and have a legit shot at winning if they keep this core.

They should realistically target the 2023 world cup as its in India and pitches here suit their style of play.
 
Bangladesh have a good domestic structure and interest is all Time high. I reckon in 4-5 years we will be a quality side and good enough to win a tournament.
 
bangladesh can take a leaf out of srilankan team book. They have won all ICC titles in asia.
where as pakistan have won titles outside asia due to their fast bowling strength
 
problem with bangladesh is self
belief... since they have never won a major tourney they crumble at pressure times... against india in the semis most of the set batsman just gave away their wickets india didnt do anything spectacular... they need a featless leader like ranatunga was for sri lanka who instilled beleif in a very talented sri lank side in 1996... also bowlers win you crucial games.. i dont know what happened to mustafizir.. also lack of quality spinners
 
bangladesh can take a leaf out of srilankan team book. They have won all ICC titles in asia.
where as pakistan have won titles outside asia due to their fast bowling strength

Sri Lanka have produced amazing batters like Jayasuria,Ranatunga and bowlers like Murali and Vaas. They have pedigree. Can't compare Sri Lanka with them.
 
Bangladesh can but Zimbabwe are just at an all time low even by their standards
 
Bangladesh can for sure.

As for Zimbabwe, it would be an achievement in itself if cricket stays alive let alone win an ICC event.
 
Bangladesh can win an ICC tournament in a few years time, but their bowling needs a lot of improvement from present.Mustafizur hasn't yet regain his form,Mashrafee in decline,Taskin is erratic,Sakib is off form with the ball,Rubel is a bowler who can take 1 or at best 2 wickets but not a game changing pacer.Bangladesh should have a potent bowling line up like Pakistan,India,Australia to win an ICC tournament.Bangladesh can win an Asia cup though,but it won't be easy for sure with resurgence of Pakistan.
 
Zimbabwe can if they could keep the players instead of letting them go to England.

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Bangladesh players need the opposite, their younger players to go out and play in foreign leagues. Basically to go out of their comfort zones and play as overseas pros for English leagues clubs.
 
Bangladesh have a chance to win an Asia cup, I don't see them winning an ICC trophy.
And, Zimbabwe don''t have a chance to win anything with the team they have, and where they currently stand in cricket.
 
zimbabwe no. Bangladesh eventually but will take a long time unless perhaps it's held in Bangladesh. Bangladesh struggles away from home still, they don't adapt as well as other teams to foreign conditions. And they're not used to regularly winning away or reaching latter stages of the tournament consistently yet. Their bowling is a bit weak, needs to improve. Their batting is decent, but it's still not on the par of the strong batting sides, still carrying too many players with mid 30 averages, while the stronger teams have 40 or more average with higher SRs. Fielding is ok, but not amongst the best. Fact is Bangladesh doesn't really dominate in any discipline. Yes Pakistan is erratic, but they can turn up to a tournament and be the best bowling side like this CT. I don't think Bangladesh can do that.

They have talent, but think it will take some time before they really can compete, cricket takes a long time to build up a side. I think 4-5 years is too generous, it will be 7-8 years IMO,when their youth players/talent currently hits their prime. I don't see the current side having the potential to win a trophy yet. They also need a few really good players to base their team around, who are considered amongst the best in the world. There's a lack of individual brilliance even though they carry few bad players. Shakib is excellent and Mustafizur Rahman is quality even though he had a bad CT. But they need more than that. Guys like Tamim, Rahim, Mortaza, Mahmudullah are good, by they aren't quite up with the best.
 
Bangladesh has a slight chance if they play all their matches at home. So Asia Cup is the best they can do but very unlikely.
 
Yes we can. We stormed the CT by crushing NZ and making the semis. We have a wonderful core set of world class players (Tamim, Shak, Mush, Mash, Fizz, Miraz, Taskin) and can compete with anyone. It is just a matter of time.
 
Bangladesh can if there is an ICC event that takes place in Bangladesh.

Outside of home conditions though it will be extremely tough for them.
 
Yes we can. We stormed the CT by crushing NZ and making the semis. We have a wonderful core set of world class players (Tamim, Shak, Mush, Mash, Fizz, Miraz, Taskin) and can compete with anyone. It is just a matter of time.

You had one good partnership between Shakib and Mahamdulla. That is the only thing that you can boast about in CT17.
 
You never know.
Who thought that Pakistan would lift Champions Trophy before the tournament?
Bangladesh are a good side and they should aim for the 2019 world cup. They have quality players like Tamim, Shakib, Mahmudullah and Mushfiq now, but after these players we don't know where the Bangladesh side will stand. Soumya and Sabir are good players but they need some work, more so on mental aspect. And they need to find some good fast bowlers.
 
Some of the posts in this thread are absolutely ridiculous.

We just saw Bangladesh in a SF! Is it that farfetched to think they could win 2 more matches, over teams they have now beaten multiple times in the past?

I think its very possible it could happen, but you never know. Just like no one could've thought back in 1975 that England would still be struggling for a ODI trophy by 2017.
 
After our improbable win - it had me thinking!

I think it will be tough for Zimbabwe but Bangla have a chance if they keep on improving.

I think their best chance would be a CT in Asian conditions due to its shorter format and because their ODI team is better than their T20 team.

Thoughts?

really need to know what you are considering as a lifetime here.

i do think that bangladesh are getting stronger but it seems that the amount of improvement in the teams above them is also scary.

australia want a trophy now and they just won the last world cup
india is stronger than ever
england are one of the most improved sides ever
south africa will win an icc trophy one day and once that happens floodgates should open for them
pakistan have shown some spine and they will be tough competition
sri lanka still has tournament pedigree although they have the exact same problem as bangladesh

all the asian teams vying for a trophy will have to beat india to win the icc trophy. since the strengths kinda neutralize and india are actually really good at what they do, winning an icc trophy for an asian team in the next few years will be difficult.

zimbabwe have at the moment a side that is at par with afghanistan. they need help otherwise they are heading the same way as kenya.
 
We can't before 2017 for sure but when not sure...if the players can learn to handle pressure then they can...need 3/4 changes...2023 could be the time
 
really need to know what you are considering as a lifetime here.

i do think that bangladesh are getting stronger but it seems that the amount of improvement in the teams above them is also scary.

australia want a trophy now and they just won the last world cup
india is stronger than ever
england are one of the most improved sides ever
south africa will win an icc trophy one day and once that happens floodgates should open for them
pakistan have shown some spine and they will be tough competition
sri lanka still has tournament pedigree although they have the exact same problem as bangladesh

all the asian teams vying for a trophy will have to beat india to win the icc trophy. since the strengths kinda neutralize and india are actually really good at what they do, winning an icc trophy for an asian team in the next few years will be difficult.

zimbabwe have at the moment a side that is at par with afghanistan. they need help otherwise they are heading the same way as kenya.

60-70 years
 
Impossible for Zimbabwe. They had an excellent side till the 1999 World Cup that had been developing over the 90s and I remember they beat both India and South Africa at the '99 World Cup. But after the political turmoil and economic crisis in their country that continues till today, everything went to hell. Which is really disappointing because they were a side with massive potential and some real match-winners like the Flower brothers, Heath Streak, Henry Olonga and Neil Johnson. Had all that not happened, I'm confident they would have had one of the best sides in the world today.

Bangladesh has potential aswell, but I feel they suffer from many of the same issues that have plagued Pakistan Cricket like poor insfrastructure. Their benefit is that they have a large population that's completely interested in one sport, which gives them potential for talent aswell. I don't know if Bangladesh will reach the standards of the top 4 in even in the next 20 years. But an ICC trophy is likely in the next decade.
 
Zimbabwe will not. Bangladesh are unlikely to either. Their culture is not supportive of sporting excellence. Their insistence on the overconsumption of fish is the reason that their sportsmen are generally short and frail. This needs to be revamped so that they are as physically able as their counterparts from other nations.

When this step is taken, Bangladeshi players will be on a more level playing field and will find it less difficult to compete. Until then, they will remain behind like Zimbabwe.
 
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Sri Lanka have produced amazing batters like Jayasuria,Ranatunga and bowlers like Murali and Vaas. They have pedigree. Can't compare Sri Lanka with them.

And until they had those players, Sri Lanka was still Bangladesh of their day. Those players don't come overnight, but with Bangladesh's domestic structure and hard work they will eventually get to that level that they can produce a Murali or a Jayasuriya.
 
We can't before 2017 for sure but when not sure...if the players can learn to handle pressure then they can...need 3/4 changes...2023 could be the time

You need a good bowling unit. Bowling wins you tournaments. Pakistan is the prime example where the team was weak overall, but the bowling was world class.
 
After our improbable win - it had me thinking!

I think it will be tough for Zimbabwe but Bangla have a chance if they keep on improving.

I think their best chance would be a CT in Asian conditions due to its shorter format and because their ODI team is better than their T20 team.

Thoughts?

Ban can win but no chance for zim
 
And until they had those players, Sri Lanka was still Bangladesh of their day. Those players don't come overnight, but with Bangladesh's domestic structure and hard work they will eventually get to that level that they can produce a Murali or a Jayasuriya.

They produced a world cup winning team 6 years after becoming a full member. Some countries have it, some don't. Sport is primal.
 
Zimbabwe is a beautiful country but has been in shambles, everything will get better there including cricket after the death of Robert Mughabe, hopefully soon. The dictator is already 93.
 
No they cannot. Zimbabwe were a great team in the 90s. It's a shame what has happened to them. Bangladesh has been a useless team and will remain as such. They might win an Asia Cup in the next 10-20 years but don't think they will win an ICC trophy unless it's one of those associates division cup.
 
Rain affected tournaments could help them progress to stages that they would not normally get to but then they will not be able to cross the final hurdle.

Bangladesh's move in ODI rankings is important and should see them challenge top teams more than before.
 
Bangladesh has the nucleus to do so but their stars are aging.

Shakib is 30. Mashrafe is 33. Mushfiqur is 30. Tamim is 28.

This means they might have 1-2 ICC tournaments in them before they're simply too old.

The one thing Bangladesh has going for them is the cricketing passion in their nation. This means they will continue to develop young talent and might hit the jackpot with 1-2 superstars. It could happen but it will take a while.

Zimbabwe seems to be heading towards extinction.
 
Bangladesh can but they need to improve their bowling. Masrafe, Rubel, Fizz are very average and will get hit over the park more often than not. Their batting is solid though so if they can fix that aspect of their game I reckon in 10 years they will definitely come close.
 
Bangladesh can win in another 100 years. For Zimbabwe, if the country's politics allows its cricket to breathe again then they will but we don't know when that will happen or if at all it will happen ever. No country has seen more wastage of talent than Zimbabwe. Bangladesh with its malnourished resources can do only as much as they have till now.
 
Bangladesh has the nucleus to do so but their stars are aging.

Shakib is 30. Mashrafe is 33. Mushfiqur is 30. Tamim is 28.

This means they might have 1-2 ICC tournaments in them before they're simply too old.

The one thing Bangladesh has going for them is the cricketing passion in their nation. This means they will continue to develop young talent and might hit the jackpot with 1-2 superstars. It could happen but it will take a while.

Zimbabwe seems to be heading towards extinction.

In the meantime we will get world class players in Azmir,saif,saifuddin and many more...hope those bunch will get us multiple ICC trophies.
 
BD can win one for sure. All they had to do was to win 2 matches even in this CT to win it.

Pakistan is not a good ODI side, but they won it so not sure why BD can't win it. Pakistan played good cricket to win CT. BD needs to also play good cricket as well in couple of matches to win it.

Zim is not in contention.
 
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You mean lose by 7 wickets instead of customary 9 wickets?

Didn't India lose the finals by 180 runs?

Teams have one or two bad matches. Last time SA toured us they lost matches by 7 and 8 wickets respectively in ODIs. Still a top ODI side
 
Didn't India lose the finals by 180 runs?

Teams have one or two bad matches. Last time SA toured us they lost matches by 7 and 8 wickets respectively in ODIs. Still a top ODI side

Are the Saffers really a top side if they always fail when it matters?
 
Are the Saffers really a top side if they always fail when it matters?

They are a top side in bilaterals and we beat them in bilaterals.

Infact Bangladesh beat SA in a world cup in 2007 not that we really bring that up much
 
I really think Bangladesh can! It might not be the world cup or ICCT, but they can definitely win a T20 trophy, especially if one of them is in Bangladesh/India/Sri Lanka.
 
Our golden run was 2-3 years ago. It is long gone.
Yeah but its not that gloomy. Drew away against SL, got destroyed in NZ, made to Semi of CT. So its not that bad aside from bowling which has always been bad anyway.

I think you would take a semi before entering the tournament regardless of how we got to semis.
 
Yeah but its not that gloomy. Drew away against SL, got destroyed in NZ, made to Semi of CT. So its not that bad aside from bowling which has always been bad anyway.

I think you would take a semi before entering the tournament regardless of how we got to semis.

The future is very bright and we have some fine players, but always "oh 2015, won 3 series" is silly. What did we do before and since then?

India and Pakistan and Lanka have all won major cups. India and Pakistan have won everything, we havent even got an Asia Cup.
 
The future is very bright and we have some fine players, but always "oh 2015, won 3 series" is silly. What did we do before and since then?

India and Pakistan and Lanka have all won major cups. India and Pakistan have won everything, we havent even got an Asia Cup.

Hope is a good thing and I am sure would be good for you too. You may connect the dots whichever way suits you and I am with you in all of that but realistically speaking I think 100 years should be the time around which Bangalis can get one of these trophies. In the meantime please do enjoy unimaginable, unthinkable, unbelievable and romantically beautiful come from behind victories of Pakistan.
And yeah you can rave about Shakib again if you haven't already in this thread ;).
 
I really think Bangladesh can! It might not be the world cup or ICCT, but they can definitely win a T20 trophy, especially if one of them is in Bangladesh/India/Sri Lanka.

They are better in ODIs than t20. More chance of an odi cup than t20 cup
 
BD does not have the bowling to win tournaments. Their batting is decent and can be very good at times.

However, they need better bowlers than Mashrafe, Rubel etc. Even Taskin is nothing special. An out of form Mustafizur Rehman is the last thing they needed. He was their only world class bowler and even he looks brittle and out of touch.

On slow spinning tracks, they can defeat teams like England, Aus etc. However, they cannot beat India with their existing team in a big match. A couple of bowlers who can bowl at pace and move the ball is what they need.
 
problem with bangladesh is self
belief... since they have never won a major tourney they crumble at pressure times... against india in the semis most of the set batsman just gave away their wickets india didnt do anything spectacular... they need a featless leader like ranatunga was for sri lanka who instilled beleif in a very talented sri lank side in 1996... also bowlers win you crucial games.. i dont know what happened to mustafizir.. also lack of quality spinners

I don't think that is the issue at this point, they need better players. Just because Pakistan was rank #8 and won that does not mean anybody can do it. Pakistan had really high quality bowlers, it was not a fluke...Your team can click in the tournaments, if you have quality. Even Indians don't have fast bowler who can perform in tournaments, its their batting that lifts them most of the time...

Ranking can be very misleading, ICC needs major overhaul. Amir is ranked 20 something among bowlers, Are there really 20 bowlers better than Amir in the world right now?? - Cricket must be very rich in talent than ;-)

Winning Cricket World Cup is hard. I can foresee Afghanistan winning before BD. Because of their talent pool, if they have stable law and order, economy, they will improve faster then BD. Their bowlers are much better quality than others even with limited exposure and facilities. They are lot like Pakistan in that regard, lot of talent but very little structure and facilities... Pathans are same on both side of the boarders ;-)
 
Bangladesh - Yes. They have improved but have some way to go. The passion is there.

Zimmies - No chance.
 
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