Can New Zealand end India's unbeaten Test series win record at home?

[Devadwal]

After 2012, India has played 18 Test series at home so far and they are yet to lose a Test series; 18 consecutive series wins is a world record.

However, New Zealand now has a great chance to win a series against India.

They took a 1-0 lead after bundling India out for just 46 runs at the Chinnaswamy Stadium in Bangalore.

Can they win another Test, which is going to be played at Mumbai and Pune?

I think they have a real chance now.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think lighting will strike twice.

But if it does I'll celebrate.

 

[Devadwal]

I don't think lighting will strike twice.

But if it does I'll celebrate.

Next test match is at pune where Pacers will get enough help . Although pitch will be spin friendly

India played just 2 test match there and lost one against Australia very badly.

 

[Ab Fan]

Is Kane Williamson coming back of sitting outside?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If both Pune and Mumbai have pitches that offer as much seam movement and bounce they have a very good chance with O Rourke and Matt Henry

 

[Devadwal]

Is Kane Williamson coming back of sitting outside?

doesn't matter , they can win without softy Kane.

 

[Dhakar Pola]

I don't think NZ can do it, India will win the next tests

 

[FearlessRoar]

50 50 chance

 

[Devadwal]

If this is 4 test match series then home team can come back at any point due to long series but 3 test match series is best way to win when you're 1-0 up .

India is not going to back to rank Turner and most likely play on Good surface .

 

[Devadwal]

After KP ( 2012 series) i never seen any batsman so comfortable while batting against india in india but The way rachin ravindra was batted at Bangalore was pure joy to watch . smith ,root and some other players were scored runs in india but Ravindra batting is something else .

 

[Ab Fan]

If this is 4 test match series then home team can come back at any point due to long series but 3 test match series is best way to win when you're 1-0 up .

India is not going to back to rank Turner and most likely play on Good surface .

This loss is probably worse because NZ did it with India having Pant, Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja all 4 in the team.

The Mohali one or Pope masterclass came when Pant wasn't playing. Pant could change the game in a flash.

 

[Ab Fan]

After KP ( 2012 series) i never seen any batsman so comfortable while batting against india in india but The way rachin ravindra was batted at Bangalore was pure joy to watch . smith ,root and some other players were scored runs in india but Ravindra batting is something else .

KP scored in one inning only. Stop hyping him. He was a nothing player just a FTB who couldn't make full use of flat pitches in 2000s and average well below the likes of Ponting, Dravid, Kallis, Sangakkara, Sehwag, Yousuf in that era.

 

[HARKS]

Don't think NZ is going to get this much help from next 2 grounds + With flat pitch they bowling is just ordinary including their spin attack , on flat pitch Bumrah will be more potent

 

[batandballbattle]

Unless there is more rain and cloud cover I don't think they have much of a chance

 

[Red-Indian]

Pune's still getting occasional rain and mornings are often overcast though the day is ending up hot. For either team, the first hour or so is crucial. Day 4 and 5, the pitch always takes turn.

New Zealand will have a chance especially if they win the toss and bat first.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why not? It shpuld happen to shut morons up.

 

[Mamoon]

Can they do it? Yes. Will they do it? Depends on the pitches.

You have to look at the bigger picture. This isn’t a one off result, it is the beginning of the end for India’s dominance.

Indian cricket is going down. The reality check in Hyderabad, the humiliation in Sri Lanka and now this. It is the sign of a team that is faltering.

Players like Kohli, Rohit and very soon Ashwin, Jadeja and Shami as well are going to leave and the fresh blood don’t have what it takes. Jaiswal is the only standout cricketer.

I saw the young generation play yesterday and they didn’t look like a bunch of players who can dominate at the top level.

Indian cricket saw their version of golden era in the last decade and you have to ask yourselves what they achieved.

0 ODI trophies, 0 Test series wins in England, South Africa and New Zealand and 0 WTC wins. Only one trophy won that too because the opposition choked.

This was India’s opportunity to have the kind of success WI and Australia achieved but they missed their chance. They couldn’t do it in spite of having a superpower board who controlled, influenced and manipulated each and every aspect of cricket while the other boards were dancing to their tunes.

WI dominated cricket when England was ruling the roost as far as cricket administration is concerned.

Australia dominated when no cricket board was particularly dominant and it was a level-playing field.

India have failed to dominate in an era where their board is the sole superpower in the game.

What stopped India from winning at least two ODI World Cups, at least one WTC and series win in England, New Zealand or South Africa? Nothing except their lack of talent and mental resolve.

The Australia team of the last 10 years or so rarely get typed up as an ATG team, and yet, they have won two World Cups and a WTC.

Even England took advantage of their white ball peak and picked up two World Cups in the space of 3 years.

India have badly failed to take advantage of their golden period. It is story of massive underachievement. Such opportunities don’t come knocking all the time.

Indian fans have every reason to be heartbroken.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No.

India will win the series. I doubt lightning will strike twice at the same place.

 

[Croma]

Short answer: Depends on how the conditions in the remaining tests aid NZ pacers. If the pacers are negated, there is no way NZ is winning another test. If there is spin Ash-Jad will destroy them.

India would need to find Rachin's weakness though. He looks very comfortable against Indian bowling attack.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No.

India will win the series. I doubt lightning will strike twice at the same place.

Next match is in Pune not Bengaluru.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Next match is in Pune not Bengaluru.

In this case, it is referring to India. Not just Benguluru.

Many nations that toured India have managed to win the first Test only to be demolished in the remaining matches. You need to look into history.

 

[HARKS]

Can they do it? Yes. Will they do it? Depends on the pitches.

You have to look at the bigger picture. This isn’t a one off result, it is the beginning of the end for India’s dominance.

Indian cricket is going down. The reality check in Hyderabad, the humiliation in Sri Lanka and now this. It is the sign of a team that is faltering.

Players like Kohli, Rohit and very soon Ashwin, Jadeja and Shami as well are going to leave and the fresh blood don’t have what it takes. Jaiswal is the only standout cricketer.

I saw the young generation play yesterday and they didn’t look like a bunch of players who can dominate at the top level.

Indian cricket saw their version of golden era in the last decade and you have to ask yourselves what they achieved.

0 ODI trophies, 0 Test series wins in England, South Africa and New Zealand and 0 WTC wins. Only one trophy won that too because the opposition choked.

This was India’s opportunity to have the kind of success WI and Australia achieved but they missed their chance. They couldn’t do it in spite of having a superpower board who controlled, influenced and manipulated each and every aspect of cricket while the other boards were dancing to their tunes.

WI dominated cricket when England was ruling the roost as far as cricket administration is concerned.

Australia dominated when no cricket board was particularly dominant and it was a level-playing field.

India have failed to dominate in an era where their board is the sole superpower in the game.

What stopped India from winning at least two ODI World Cups, at least one WTC and series win in England, New Zealand or South Africa? Nothing except their lack of talent and mental resolve.

The Australia team of the last 10 years or so rarely get typed up as an ATG team, and yet, they have won two World Cups and a WTC.

Even England took advantage of their white ball peak and picked up two World Cups in the space of 3 years.

India have badly failed to take advantage of their golden period. It is story of massive underachievement. Such opportunities don’t come knocking all the time.

Indian fans have every reason to be heartbroken.

Of course, if india is presented pitch which turn square from Ball 1 in SENA then india also can win.if u are going to predict india's future from yesterday ACC match then u will keep barking untill ur end of your life about india downfall ,I bet players from there is going to play indian test team ,max can play T20 or one day that also 1 or 2 . SO if india win it's opposite team chocked and if other team win it's talent .

 

[Devadwal]

You have to look at the bigger picture. This isn’t a one off result, it is the beginning of the end for India’s dominance.

Definitely this is one off result if you have looks the result of post 2012 at home. ( Test cricket)

Over a decades india only lost 5 test at home and yet to lose a series .

What were the test record of GOAT WI and Australia during their peak at home . @Buffet please post the stats.

Although agree that after Ashwin and jadeja india will not invisible at home

India has enough talent to replace Rohit and kohli so batting will be no issue .

Axar is like to like replacement of Jadeja but i don't see anyone can replace Ashwin .

Akashdeep ,Mayank Yadav, Harshit Rana etc easily can replace shami also .

Bumrah is not going anywhere atleast for 4-5 year's .

India will remains top team as we have enough talent to replace and we may win more series away from home .

Now comes to ICC event yea in last decade we failed at big games but now we broken the jinx so next 5 year,india will win atleast 3 ICC trophy.

One golden period about to end's but another strong golden period about to start so nothing to worry about .

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lol, we will beat them handsomely.

Just like how we have beaten all other teams.

 

[Buffet]

Why not? They need to win one test. It's easier said than done though. Not often they will get lucky with pitch. But if they can play well on traditional Asian pitch and win one more then all credit to NZ. They got a freak of a pitch for one session and can't bank on that to win series.

Much more chance due to 3 tests series. Longer one they don't have firepower to overcome India. Ideal start to win one to take the series for 3 tests series.

Go NZ....

 

[HARKS]

Why not? They need to win one test. It's easier said than done though. Not often they will get lucky with pitch. But if they can play well on traditional Asian pitch and win one more then all credit to NZ. They got a freak of a pitch for one session and can't bank on that to win series.

Much more chance due to 3 tests series. Longer one they don't have firepower to overcome India. Ideal start to win one to take the series for 3 tests series.

Go NZ....

Batting apart , what about bowling ,even in 1st test once it's sunny and pitch loose it's venom all NZ bowling looks very ordinary and most probably Indian batting will be stronger with Gill and KL out and once it's traditional Indian wicket then jadeja and Ashwin batting will have need take note.

 

[worldlife92]

Can they do it? Yes. Will they do it? Depends on the pitches.

You have to look at the bigger picture. This isn’t a one off result, it is the beginning of the end for India’s dominance.

Indian cricket is going down. The reality check in Hyderabad, the humiliation in Sri Lanka and now this. It is the sign of a team that is faltering.

Players like Kohli, Rohit and very soon Ashwin, Jadeja and Shami as well are going to leave and the fresh blood don’t have what it takes. Jaiswal is the only standout cricketer.

I saw the young generation play yesterday and they didn’t look like a bunch of players who can dominate at the top level.

Indian cricket saw their version of golden era in the last decade and you have to ask yourselves what they achieved.

0 ODI trophies, 0 Test series wins in England, South Africa and New Zealand and 0 WTC wins. Only one trophy won that too because the opposition choked.

This was India’s opportunity to have the kind of success WI and Australia achieved but they missed their chance. They couldn’t do it in spite of having a superpower board who controlled, influenced and manipulated each and every aspect of cricket while the other boards were dancing to their tunes.

WI dominated cricket when England was ruling the roost as far as cricket administration is concerned.

Australia dominated when no cricket board was particularly dominant and it was a level-playing field.

India have failed to dominate in an era where their board is the sole superpower in the game.

What stopped India from winning at least two ODI World Cups, at least one WTC and series win in England, New Zealand or South Africa? Nothing except their lack of talent and mental resolve.

The Australia team of the last 10 years or so rarely get typed up as an ATG team, and yet, they have won two World Cups and a WTC.

Even England took advantage of their white ball peak and picked up two World Cups in the space of 3 years.

India have badly failed to take advantage of their golden period. It is story of massive underachievement. Such opportunities don’t come knocking all the time.

Indian fans have every reason to be heartbroken.

Agree with everything. Yes, India is comfortably behind peak WI and Australia and doesn't look like it'll reach there in the near future at least.
However, given your recent hatred towards India (or Indian posters here to shut them down), India is not that bad a team.
It's like SA of the late 90s to 2010.
Never won a major trophy (except CT) but still overall a good team only second to Australia

 

[Buffet]

Batting apart , what about bowling ,even in 1st test once it's sunny and pitch loose it's venom all NZ bowling looks very ordinary and most probably Indian batting will be stronger with Gill and KL out and once it's traditional Indian wicket then jadeja and Ashwin batting will have need take note.

I don't think NZ has either batting or bowling to outplay India on traditional Asian pitches. One test win will be a great performance and that's needed by NZ to win the series.

 

[HARKS]

I don't think NZ has either batting or bowling to outplay India on traditional Asian pitches. One test win will be a great performance and that's needed

Even for that 1 win in 1st test ,NZ are extremely lucky all things have gone in their favour , lucky toss loss, Rohit Captaincy, Rain and pitch conditions like their home conditions,many close call going their way even more needed for them to win that 1 test .
I don't think above all things will align again for them here after, inshort they used all the luck for the rest of year in 1 match to win
Actually india no need to prepare spin friendly pitches, if they prepare pitches for England then all the New Zealand bowling will be neutralised

 

[Buffet]

Even for that 1 win in 1st test ,NZ are extremely lucky all things have gone in their favour , lucky toss loss, Rohit Captaincy, Rain and pitch conditions like their home conditions,many close call going their way even more needed for them to win that 1 test .
I don't think above all things will align again for them here after, inshort they used all the luck for the rest of year in 1 match to win
Actually india no need to prepare spin friendly pitches, if they prepare pitches for England then all the New Zealand bowling will be neutralised

That's what I said. NZ needs to win one test on regular pitch to win the test series. Not going to get a better chance than this.

 

[deltexas]

Can they do it? Yes. Will they do it? Depends on the pitches.

You have to look at the bigger picture. This isn’t a one off result, it is the beginning of the end for India’s dominance.

Indian cricket is going down. The reality check in Hyderabad, the humiliation in Sri Lanka and now this. It is the sign of a team that is faltering.

Players like Kohli, Rohit and very soon Ashwin, Jadeja and Shami as well are going to leave and the fresh blood don’t have what it takes. Jaiswal is the only standout cricketer.

I saw the young generation play yesterday and they didn’t look like a bunch of players who can dominate at the top level.

Indian cricket saw their version of golden era in the last decade and you have to ask yourselves what they achieved.

0 ODI trophies, 0 Test series wins in England, South Africa and New Zealand and 0 WTC wins. Only one trophy won that too because the opposition choked.

This was India’s opportunity to have the kind of success WI and Australia achieved but they missed their chance. They couldn’t do it in spite of having a superpower board who controlled, influenced and manipulated each and every aspect of cricket while the other boards were dancing to their tunes.

WI dominated cricket when England was ruling the roost as far as cricket administration is concerned.

Australia dominated when no cricket board was particularly dominant and it was a level-playing field.

India have failed to dominate in an era where their board is the sole superpower in the game.

What stopped India from winning at least two ODI World Cups, at least one WTC and series win in England, New Zealand or South Africa? Nothing except their lack of talent and mental resolve.

The Australia team of the last 10 years or so rarely get typed up as an ATG team, and yet, they have won two World Cups and a WTC.

Even England took advantage of their white ball peak and picked up two World Cups in the space of 3 years.

India have badly failed to take advantage of their golden period. It is story of massive underachievement. Such opportunities don’t come knocking all the time.

Indian fans have every reason to be heartbroken.

The next gen Ind cricketers had better . And the ICC trophy droughts you talk about will actually be way better as well with the new gen. The 3 teams that\ll dominate WC for the foreseeable future - Ind Aus Eng. Get ready to face the reality

 

[Mamoon]

The next gen Ind cricketers had better . And the ICC trophy droughts you talk about will actually be way better as well with the new gen. The 3 teams that\ll dominate WC for the foreseeable future - Ind Aus Eng. Get ready to face the reality

Do it on the pitch first then talk. Once you do it, you wouldn't need to talk about it.

The problem with India is that they talk first like they did in 2023.

 

[Majestic]

Jasprit Bumrah and Rishabh Pant

What about Ravindra Jadeja?

 

[deltexas]

Do it on the pitch first then talk. Once you do it, you wouldn't need to talk about it.

The problem with India is that they talk first like they did in 2023.

Its started already lol ! Winning test series in Aus which another SC country will probably never do in the next 20 years.. Insane home record. The 2024 T20WC is just a starting point for iCC trophies as well . Ind future is brighter than ever. You underestimate the next gen players.

 

[Buffet]

Why not? They need to win one test. It's easier said than done though. Not often they will get lucky with pitch. But if they can play well on traditional Asian pitch and win one more then all credit to NZ. They got a freak of a pitch for one session and can't bank on that to win series.

Much more chance due to 3 tests series. Longer one they don't have firepower to overcome India. Ideal start to win one to take the series for 3 tests series.

Go NZ....

It's happening. Happy for NZ.

 

[Devadwal]

Meri reverse jinxing lag gayi @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @Rajdeep

 

[Rajdeep]

Meri reverse jinxing lag gayi @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @Rajdeep

After Rajasthan exit polls, you should stop doing all jinxing bro

 

[Buffet]

Even for that 1 win in 1st test ,NZ are extremely lucky all things have gone in their favour , lucky toss loss, Rohit Captaincy, Rain and pitch conditions like their home conditions,many close call going their way even more needed for them to win that 1 test .
I don't think above all things will align again for them here after, inshort they used all the luck for the rest of year in 1 match to win
Actually india no need to prepare spin friendly pitches, if they prepare pitches for England then all the New Zealand bowling will be neutralised

Yes, certain things had to go their way. That's how you beat any strong home team. Always has been like that in test series.

NZ capitalized on one freak session in first test, but winning the secone test is not capitalizing on anything like that. It will be properly outplaying India on traditional piches.

 

[Buffet]

I don't think lighting will strike twice.

But if it does I'll celebrate.

It seems it struck twice, well let the test ends but likely result is NZ series win unless Indians pull some ATG chase.

 

[Ab Fan]

NZ have already got about 200 runs more than what India are capable of scoring.

 

[Buffet]

Unless India's batsmen produce ATG knocks, series is safely in bag now for NZ.

Batting last will be extremnely hard and enough runs that some quick 50 by one bastman won't cut it.

 

[Hitman]

Very much. I can see it happening.

 

[Buffet]

Very much. I can see it happening.

It's good for test cricket and keeps things interesting.

Pakistan making a come back in test series at home after a very long time. Win or lose, after long time they are playing like a team wanting to win. NZ close to winning historic test series in India despite having limited resources.

People kept talking about Kane/Babar etc. ... Team is much bigger than any individual.

 

[Mamoon]

Its started already lol ! Winning test series in Aus which another SC country will probably never do in the next 20 years.. Insane home record. The 2024 T20WC is just a starting point for iCC trophies as well . Ind future is brighter than ever. You underestimate the next gen players.

Most deluded cricket fans in the world by some distance.

 

[Devadwal]

Unless India's batsmen produce ATG knocks, series is safely in bag now for NZ.

Batting last will be extremnely hard and enough runs that some quick 50 by one bastman won't cut it.

Yea . someone need to Play Sehwag( Jaiswal) Chennai type knock and Sachin hundreds against England when they were chased down 387.

Impossible for anyone to repeat that performance .

 

[Ab Fan]

Unless India's batsmen produce ATG knocks, series is safely in bag now for NZ.

Batting last will be extremnely hard and enough runs that some quick 50 by one bastman won't cut it.

Once NZ got the lead past 250, game over for India.

 

[Devadwal]

Most deluded cricket fans in the world by some distance.

Most delusion cricket fans tags belong to Pakistan .

 

[Buffet]

Yea . someone need to Play Sehwag( Jaiswal) Chennai type knock and Sachin hundreds against England when they were chased down 387.

Impossible for anyone to repeat that performance .

Both were excellent players of spin. Even then chasing 387 kind of things does not happen often on turning tracks.

 

[Mamoon]

Most delusion cricket fans tags belong to Pakistan .

Pakistani fans have nothing on Indian fans. India is a cricket nation that views bang average cricketers like Dhoni and Laxman as legends and a mediocre Test batsman like Kohli as a GOAT.

 

[Mamoon]

Indian fans deserve this humiliation.

 

[Hitman]

It's good for test cricket and keeps things interesting.

Don't know how good it is for Test cricket, but it's certainly not good for Indian cricket. The most humiliating thing for a team is to lose a Test series at home. When you prepare the pitches according to your wishes, where you grew up playing cricket, where you are most accustomed playing, and yet lose.

New Zealand has been truly fantastic so far in the series and they deserve every bit of their success so far.​

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistani fans have nothing on Indian fans. India is a cricket nation threats bang average cricketers like Dhoni and Laxman as greats and a nothing Test batsman like Kohli a GOAT.

Lol india won the 18 consecutive series before this . No one came close even pakistan can't think of it in their dream's.

 

[Josh]

Game is gone..India should fight to avoid a 3-0 loss, that will be humiliation on top of humiliation

 

[Ab Fan]

If VVS played this series, he would have won India the series. Remember his 281, it is one of the greatest knock of all-time.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lol india won the 18 consecutive series before this . No one came close even pakistan can't think of it in their dream's.

At some point luck runs out

 

[Josh]

The way indian batsmen got out in the first innings, that was way worse than 46 AO

 

[Devadwal]

At some point luck runs out

Dude winning the 18th consecutive series needs no luck but Solid performance .

At the some point that has to be broken .even ATG Australia were won pnly 10 consecutive series at home .

 

[Ahmed216]

Lol, we will beat them handsomely.

Just like how we have beaten all other teams.

NZ have batted better than India on a turner. The life has gone out of Ashwin's fingers

 

[jnaveen1980]

India's run ends finally. Aging Indian side will suffer more losses if they don't handle the transition better. I expected a few losses for India during this phase. But not at home. Kudos to NZ for coming here well prepared and executing their plans. All these guys know about these bowlers, conditions very well with IPL experience. India has to move away from bunch of 35 plus year olds.

 

[Buffet]

Don't know how good it is for Test cricket, but it's certainly not good for Indian cricket. The most humiliating thing for a team is to lose a Test series at home. When you prepare the pitches according to your wishes, where you grew up playing cricket, where you are most accustomed playing, and yet lose.

New Zealand has been truly fantastic so far in the series and they deserve every bit of their success so far.​

That's the reason, ultimate test for players is to perform well in different away conditions. I rate away performacne very high for exactly this reason. Real tough runs/wickets are performing well in home of good teams. This series win will be one of the best series win by Nz team in ages.

It's good for test cricket otherwise Aus-Ind test series became focus in recent years and hardly much focus on other series.

 

[Buffet]

India's run ends finally. Aging Indian side will suffer more losses if they don't handle the transition better. I expected a few losses for India during this phase. But not at home. Kudos to NZ for coming here well prepared and executing their plans. All these guys know about these bowlers, conditions very well with IPL experience. India has to move away from bunch of 35 plus year olds.

It was a great run from 2012.

In 2012, India had some aging players as well and loss against Eng resulted in change.

 

[Devadwal]

A Pakistan team that didn't win at home for more than 2 years ?? A team that clean sweep by Bangladesh ( LOL) at home. Enough

 

[Mamoon]

There is no need of drawing parallels between the 2012 England series and this NZ series.

That was England’s GOAT Test team and the best in the world along with SA. This NZ team isn’t that good. This is a bigger humiliation.

 

[Ab Fan]

You didn’t play Pakistan in this period so it doesn’t count.

It is like South Africa claiming that they are unbeaten in cricket without facing Zimbabwe .

Now looks correct.

 

[Mamoon]

A Pakistan team that didn't win at home for more than 2 years ?? A team that clean sweep by Bangladesh ( LOL) at home. Enough

I repeat what I wrote in the other thread. Pakistan 2012-2016 was a top team especially in Asia, which is why they reached number 1 in rankings. It would have been the biggest test for India for sure, and the fact that they chose to avoid that test means their legacy is tainted.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is no need of drawing parallels between the 2012 England series and this NZ series.

That was England’s GOAT Test team and the best in the world along with SA. This NZ team isn’t that good. This is a bigger humiliation.

That GOAT team that Amla thrashed all over in their own backyard lol

 

[Mamoon]

That GOAT team that Amla thrashed all over in their own backyard lol

Still better than Indian’s GOAT team that is losing to an average NZ side at home. Smith’s SA would have violated this Indian team in India.

 

[Ab Fan]

Still better than Indian’s GOAT team that is losing to an average NZ side at home. Smith’s SA would have violated this Indian team in India.

Inshallah Pakistan have a good tour to NZ later this year. Hope Kane Mama is not too harsh on Pakistani bowlers like always.

 

[Devadwal]

I repeat what I wrote in the other thread. Pakistan 2012-2016 was a top team especially in Asia, which is why they reached number 1 in rankings. It would have been the biggest test for India for sure, and the fact that they chose to avoid that test means their legacy is tainted.

India team were number 1 team during that period ( Pakistan only become for a week) pakistan were lost at home against NZ and lanka while india were undefeated.

Virat was scoring century/ Double century for funs and tripple centurian didn't even get a game after that innings tell us about India dominance during that period. Try again .

 

[Buffet]

That GOAT team that Amla thrashed all over in their own backyard lol

Yah, Amla was a great test batsman. He will walk into all time XIs for many countries. Eng teams was a great one in that phase.

It was the best Eng team in ages and Amla bullied that great Eng team in their backyard. Stuff of legends.

 

[Ab Fan]

India team were number 1 team during that period ( Pakistan only become for a week) pakistan were lost at home against NZ and lanka while india were undefeated.

Virat was scoring century/ Double century for funs and tripple centurian didn't even get a game after that innings tell us about India dominance during that period. Try again .

That Indian team was invincible. If Pakistan played at that time, Younis Khan would have retired before touring Australia and New Zealand lol

 

[Mamoon]

Yah, Amla was a great test batsman. He will walk into all time XIs for many countries.

It was the best Eng team in ages and Amla bullied that great Eng team in their backyard. Stuff of legends.

A number 3 with less than 50 average home and away and less than 10k runs doesn’t walk into any all time XI.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It was a great run from 2012.

In 2012, India had some aging players as well and loss against Eng resulted in change.

Happen. It is l iterally impossible to keep on winning at home especially with Indian batsmen averaging in the 30s at home for the last 5 years or so. If you just look at their average on tough pitches that would be probably under 15. India should have moved on from Kohli, Rohit, Rahul long back. They are not handling transition very well. Sundar's pick was a wild card pick. They picked him for his batting rather than bowling. They just got lucky he delivered. Otherwise this would have been mother of all thrashing.

 

[Ab Fan]

A number 3 with less than 50 average home and away and less than 10k runs doesn’t walk into any all time XI.

A number 3 that thrashed GOAT England side in their own backyard despite having players like Cook, KP, Anderson, Broad, Swann and several other good players.

 

[Mamoon]

A number 3 that thrashed GOAT England side in their own backyard despite having players like Cook, KP, Anderson, Broad, Swann and several other good players.

Your whole career matters, not just 1-2 series. Asad Shafiq out-scored Kallis in South Africa while batting vs prime Steyn, Philander and Morkel.

As an overall career, Amla did nothing that merits a place among the greatest of Test great.

I repeat: a number 3 averaging less than 50 home and away and also has less than 10k runs does not even qualify for the great debate.

 

[Buffet]

A number 3 with less than 50 average home and away and less than 10k runs doesn’t walk into any all time XI.

All great teams needs players who could perform in tough away tours.

Average , volume etc does not make anyone great if they can't step up and perform in tough away tours.

Some one may just sort batsmen by volume of runs and average and pick an XI. I differ from that approach. Most all time XI from different countries lack players who stepped up in tough away tours.

Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Mamoon]

All great teams needs players who could perform in tough away tours.

Average , volume etc does not make anyone great if they can't step up and perform in tough away tours.

Some one may just sort batsmen by volume of runs and average and pick an XI. I differ from that approach. Most all time XI from different countries lack players who stepped up in tough away tours.

Let's just agree to disagree.

He averages 50+ in only two countries so I wouldn’t agree that he performed in tough away conditions.

 

[big_gamer007]

Forget winning they gonna whitewash India easily.

 

[Buffet]

He averages 50+ in only two countries so I wouldn’t agree that he performed in tough away conditions.

He had series impacting performances in Aus, Ind and Eng. Three toughest place to tour for batsmen during his playing days.

Same way, I rate Cook/Smith high despite not averaging 50 plus home and away. Several draw or won series in Eng, Ind, SA, Aus and both stepped up. Four toughest place to tour for batsmen during Cook's/Smith's career.

Yes, if we have batsmen or bowlers who are doing well consistently in every tough away tours and team is not good enough to win then it's a different situation. But most countries don't have those players. Most countries are filled with home track bullies. So batsmen like Cook, Smith and Amla are worth a lot.

All countries have produced lots of players who are able to dominate at home. It won't be hard to find and put them in XI. So home conditions coverage is very easy for all teams. But players like Amla/Cook/Smith are rare.

I don't rate players just based on volume of runs or average. I need to see if they stepped up 3-4 times in tough tours. If any player goes through entire career without stepping up in tough tours then volume or average does very little for me. Sure, if a batsman has career average of 30 with 3 good tough away tours then they don't belong in discussion.

Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Devadwal]

Forget winning they gonna whitewash India easily.

Can whitewash forced india to change the captain before BGT and dropped Rohit and Kohli along with KL