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China Reopens Markets Selling Bats, Pangolins After COVID-19 Effect Dips

China's "wet markets" have reopened - selling bats, pangolins and dogs for human consumption.

The move is dangerous as scientists believe that the Covid-19 causing coronavirus first lurked in a bat in China and hopped to another animal, before getting passed on to humans.

Various reports suggest that a 55-year-old man from China's Hubei province could have been the first person to have contracted Covid-19 through one such "wet market".

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chi...-pangolins-after-covid-19-effect-dips-2203742
 
I have some choice words to say for the Chinese but I don't want to get banned.




Edit: Just noticed source is Indian so can't trust its veracity.
 
I have no issue that they eat these things. But, they should cook properly.

Also, I have seen a few disturbing videos where animals got boiled alive. I saw one video where a dog was getting boiled alive.

I know that not all East Asian people do this but those who do it should be identified and punished.
 
China’s dangerous wet markets—the ones scientists said were responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic—have reopened.
The notorious wet markets are selling bats, pangolins and dogs for human consumption.

Scientists say that the move is a dangerous one as the COVID-19 causing coronavirus first lurked in a bat in China and hopped to another animal, before getting passed on to humans. After the virus broke out, the Chinese government, on March 5 banned the consumption of wild animals. The ban, however, was temporary and is expected to be signed into law later this year.

“The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus,” a report in The Mail on Sunday read.

The COVID-19 virus was first contracted by a 55-year-old man from Hubei from a similar wet market that had dogs, rabbits and other scared animals cramped in cages.

It has been four months since the outbreak of the virus and there is no vaccination in sight. And even though there have been no domestic transmissions, China has risked fanning the second wave of coronavirus cases. 313 imported cases were reported on Friday.

As on Tuesday, 36 new imported cases were reported in the mainland and around 1,367 asymptomatic cases were under observation.

The reopened markets are under the watchful eyes of guards who are ensuring that no pictures are being taken inside the markets. Residents in Wuhan were seen standing on chairs and stools to peer over fences and make payments and collect their groceries.

On Tuesday, WHO said that the COVID-19 pandemic is far from over in Asia. In an AP report, WHO Regional Director for the Western Pacific, Dr Takeshi Kasai was quoted as saying, “This is going to be a long-term battle and we cannot let down our guard. We need every country to keep responding according to their local situation.”

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2...guards-ensure-that-no-pictures-are-taken.html
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Why stop at SARS-2 when you can have sequel after sequel? ::J
 
This virus has nothing to do with these markets anyway. I am damn sure this is a biological weapon. :inti
 
msaaim89 said:
Would it not be possible to detect if a virus has been modified by humans? Someone with a medical background able to confirm?
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Bunch of bull these conspiracy theories.. viruses like SARS, mers, corona can be easily transmitted inter species and mutate. We were very lucky something like this never happened before. This is why all biologists will tell you to keep a distance from wild life.. dead or alive.. and in these wet markets they are kept together in cages and different dead animals piled one on top of another..

This crap is going to kill us.. unintended biological weapon, sure.. but don’t believe any of the other **.
 
China does not care, they will do it how they like it... Just pray they don't replace the Americans as the next Police of the world, if they do, then say goodbye to religious freedom, democracy, and just about everything good in modern life...
 
There is something very distressing about reading such news stories.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have no issue that they eat these things. But, they should cook properly.

Also, I have seen a few disturbing videos where animals got boiled alive. I saw one video where a dog was getting boiled alive.

I know that not all East Asian people do this but those who do it should be identified and punished.
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In asia people hit dogs repeatedly with sticks and that's how they kill tham "for the taste"
 
Have some shame for god's sake, China has put the entire world in danger twice already. Enough is enough.
 
Has anyone provided concrete evidence that Covid19 originated from these markets?
 
Saj said:
Has anyone provided concrete evidence that Covid19 originated from these markets?
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General consensus is it was originated from a wet market. Another theory is it came from a lab but that's not a popular theory.

Here's one video:

 
Saj said:
Has anyone provided concrete evidence that Covid19 originated from these markets?
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The concept that the virus could originate from these wild marktes isn't a wild social media theory.

Previous pandemics with similar disease like the 2003 SARS pandemic has been proven to be linked to such marktes and the virus jumping from wild animals.

Researchers found bats to be natural reservoirs of SARS-like Coronaviruses. A study from 2005 https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/20....676L/abstract

Even Chinese media which is heavily regulated by the chinese government admitted to it back in 2006:

"Our research has shown that the SARS coronavirus found in human victims is the same as the SARS coronavirus found in civet cats," said Wang Ming, an official from the Guangzhou Centre for Disease Control and Prevention.

Wang added that the discovery provided proof that civet cats had spread SARS to humans.

Based on the team's findings, Wang advised the public to be cautious about eating wild animals, particularly civet cats. However, civet cats are still being sold in markets around Guangzhou, the capital of South China's Guangdong Province.

[...]

Scientists then brought the six civet cats from the restaurant back to the laboratory, where tests showed that the disease the animals carried had the same genetic profile as the coronavirus affecting the SARS patient, Wang said.

"This discovery proves that civet cats are capable of spreading the SARS virus to human beings," Wang said.

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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...ent_740511.htm

Then there is this paper in 2007 published by independent researchers warning about the wild animal markets and a possibility of a SARS-like infection reemerging.

https://cmr.asm.org/content/cmr/20/4/660.full.pdf

Some quotes from the paper


Large numbers and varieties of these wild game mammals in overcrowded cages and the lack of biosecurity measures in wet markets allowed the jumping of this novel virus from animals to human (353, 376). Its capacity for human-to-human transmission, the lack of awareness in hospital infection control, and international air travel facilitated the rapid global dissemination of this agent.

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The small reemergence of SARS in late 2003 after the resumption of the wildlife market in southern China and the recent discovery of a very similar virus in horseshoe bats, bat SARS-CoV, suggested that SARS can return if conditions are fit for the introduction, mutation, amplification, and transmission of this dangerous virus.

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The presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb. The possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories and therefore the need for preparedness should not be ignored.
These are just a few research papers I found in a couple on minutes. There must be countless many by independent research from all across the world.
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For the average person this is the first time that we are deeply confronted with the concept of viruses and pandemics. However there are people who specialize in researching viruses and epidemics. They have been warning about these things since years.

Right now it's the most likely source though finding concrete evidence may only be possible once the whole pandemic is over and the area can be investigated.
 
China should have some shame. This is behgaraty of the highest order. They have destroyed countries and lives. Have some shame.
 
I say it again - the world should come together to sue the Chinese Govt for allowing this to happen. Imagine the suffering faced by so many just because the Chinese cannot resist eating anything that moves.
 
This is how they have been for centuries, this is how they will always be
 
MenInG said:
This is how they have been for centuries, this is how they will always be
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Yes but then they need to get it sanitized like Koreans and Japanese if they want to be the supply chain of the world.
 
JaDed said:
Yes but then they need to get it sanitized like Koreans and Japanese if they want to be the supply chain of the world.
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I have noticed that many viruses have origins in China (SARS, COVID-19, 1957 Asian Flu etc.) but no major virus originates from Japan.

Quite interesting if you think about it.
 
MenInG said:
This is how they have been for centuries, this is how they will always be
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MIG, from what I read, these wild animals markets became legal in the 60s and 70s when China was going through poverty. As there was less cattle for people, everyone started hunting and farming wild animals for consumption. This was never in Chinese culture or history before.
 
sweep_shot said:
I have noticed that many viruses have origins in China (SARS, COVID-19, 1957 Asian Flu etc.) but no major virus originates from Japan.

Quite interesting if you think about it.
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There is a world of difference between the two , Japs are more uptight but they make sure nothing like this happens, their level of discipline is a bit crazy imo but nevertheless creates no catastrophes.
 
ahmedzee said:
MIG, from what I read, these wild animals markets became legal in the 60s and 70s when China was going through poverty. As there was less cattle for people, everyone started hunting and farming wild animals for consumption. This was never in Chinese culture or history before.
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Exactly that's what I have heard too and I'll look for a source too
 
dildilpak said:
I say it again - the world should come together to sue the Chinese Govt for allowing this to happen. Imagine the suffering faced by so many just because the Chinese cannot resist eating anything that moves.
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Imagine losing your family members or friends to Corona... Right now the dead people are unknown to us but imagine if our own old relatives / neighbors fall for Covid, how would one feel for Chinese...

And they restart their wet markets
 
Some people don't learn from their mistakes. Worse, others have to suffer for their mistakes.
 
The UN's biodiversity chief has called for a global ban on wildlife markets to prevent the outbreak of future pandemics.

Elizabeth Maruma Mrema told the BBC that the practice of buying and selling wild animals in markets can pose a threat to human health as well as to endangered species.

“We know over the last 60 years the majority of the new zoonotic diseases have emerged as the result of human activities ... pushing wild animals into closer contact with humans and increasing the risk of transmission," Mrema said.

"Therefore we need to ensure that wet markets are well regulated, clean and not linked to the illegal trade of wild animals.”

She acknowledged that many rural communities around the world depend on wildlife trade for “for economic and food security reasons”.

China has placed a temporary ban on the consumption of wild animals, following reports that the current global coronavirus pandemic originated in a market in Wuhan where live animals were bought and sold - though there is still no definitive proof the market was the source of the outbreak.
 
ahmedzee said:
MIG, from what I read, these wild animals markets became legal in the 60s and 70s when China was going through poverty. As there was less cattle for people, everyone started hunting and farming wild animals for consumption. This was never in Chinese culture or history before.
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The idea came from Chairman Mao. His argument was that if the Chinese people learned to eat anything that breathed, they would never have to worry about famine. So China would never have to ask for food aid from Western powers, or be required do their bidding in return.
 
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Scientists say there is "compelling evidence" that Wuhan's Huanan seafood and wildlife market was at the centre of the Covid-19 outbreak.

Two peer-reviewed studies published on Tuesday re-examine information from the initial outbreak in the Chinese city.

One of the studies shows that the earliest known cases were clustered around that market.

The other uses genetic information to track the timing of the outbreak.

It suggests there were two variants introduced into humans in November or early December 2019.

Together, the researchers say this evidence paints a picture that Sars-Cov-2 was present in live mammals that were sold at Huanan market in late 2019. They say it was transmitted into people who were working or shopping there in two separate "spillover events", where a human contracted the virus from an animal.

One of the researchers involved, virologist Prof David Robertson from the University of Glasgow, told BBC News that he hoped the studies would "correct the false record that the virus came from a lab".

Pandemic epicentre

Two years of scientific effort to understand the virus that causes Covid-19 have provided these researchers with a more informed perspective.

This has enabled them to address a key conundrum in the earliest patient data: That out of hundreds of people who were hospitalised with Covid-19 in Wuhan, only about 50 had a direct, traceable link to the market.

"That was really puzzling that most cases could not be linked to the market," said Prof Robertson. "But knowing what we know about the virus now, it's exactly what we would expect - because many people only get very mildly ill, so they would be out in the community transmitting the virus to others and the severe cases would be hard to link to each other."

This Covid-19 case-mapping research found that a large percentage of early patients - with no known connection to the market, meaning they neither worked nor shopped there - did turn out to live near it.

This supports the idea that the market was the epicentre of the epidemic, said Prof Michael Worobey, lead author and biologist from the University of Arizona, with sellers getting infected first and setting off a "chain of infections among community members in the surrounding area".

"In a city covering more than 3,000 sq miles (7,770 sq km), the area with the highest probability of containing the home of someone who had one of the earliest Covid-19 cases in the world was an area of a few city blocks, with the Huanan market smack dab inside it," said Prof Worobey.

That study also zoomed in on the market itself. The scientists created a map of the samples - swabs of fluid from drains and on market stalls - that tested positive for the virus.

"Most of the positive samples clustered around the south-western side of the market," explained Prof Robertson. "And that's the location where we report species like raccoon dogs being sold.

"So we have confirmation of animals we now know are susceptible [to Sars-Cov-2, the virus that causes Covid-19] were sold there in late 2019."

The lab leak theory

Over the last two years, the search for the origin of the deadly pandemic turned from a scientific investigation into a toxic political row.

One of the subjects of a fierce international blame game - primarily between politicians in the US and China - was a theory that the virus could have been leaked from a Wuhan laboratory, the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

But that hypothesis, said Prof Stuart Neil from Kings College, "can't explain the data".

"We're now as sure as we can be, based on the fragmentary evidence we do have, that this was a spillover event that happened in the market."

Crowded, live animal markets, many scientists agree, provide an ideal transmission hotspot for new diseases to "spill over" from animals. And in the 18 months up to the beginning of the pandemic, a separate study showed that nearly 50,000 animals - of 38 different species - were sold at markets in Wuhan.

Prof Neil said the pandemic was very likely to have been a consequence of an "unhealthy, cruel and unhygienic practice that Chinese authorities had been warned about".

The major risk of being distracted by looking for someone in a laboratory to blame for all this, he added, "is that we run the risk of letting this happen again because we've focused on the wrong problem."

BBC
 
The worst thing that could happen is China taken over as the number 1 economic and ruling power of the world.
 
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