Comparison between Danish Kaneria and Yasir Shah

[AlphaFighter]

I believe even Kaneria started of his career well in his first 20-30 test matches before he eventually fell away.

A large part of Kaneria's decline can perhaps be attributed to Inzi who used him as a negative option for e.g. bowling around the wickets, to keep the run flow down rather than to take wickets and i believe it was the 2006 tour to England which started Kaneria's decline in form.

Maybe an overdose of county cricket didn't help matters either as too many cheap wickets against poor players of spin breeds complacency.

It is remarkable whatever Yasir has achieved so far because the guy doesn't even have a proper flipper or googly as yet. Yasir like Kaneria has had a dream start to his career, can he go on now and keep up the good work?

 

[Slog]

Kanera's was definitely more skilled in terms of variety. His wrong 'un was genuinely world class.

But Yasir is more exciting to watch and doesn't give a millions runs like Danish.

Though I think you have to realise that Kaneria didn't have as much spin support and often had to operate as the stock bowler with 30-40 overs per innings regularly. Yasir gets the advantage of being main strike bowler

 

[Sidilicious]

Also the Kami Factor :kamran

 

[ahmedzee]

Kaneria started off with a bang against BD. That's why he got so many wickets initially. He had more variety, yes, but he leaked sooooo many runs. He used to bowl 2 bad balls every over. Hence why he declined later on.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Kanera's was definitely more skilled in terms of variety. His wrong 'un was genuinely world class.

But Yasir is more exciting to watch and doesn't give a millions runs like Danish.

Though I think you have to realise that Kaneria didn't have as much spin support and often had to operate as the stock bowler with 30-40 overs per innings regularly. Yasir gets the advantage of being main strike bowler

Warne has never been as excited with Kaneria as he has been with Yasir.

 

[90MPH]

Kaneria was a confused leg spinner. He couldn't even set his own fields.

He didn't know whether to attack or keep it tight which never suited his style. Maybe Inzimam as captain didn't help him as he didn't like any bowler leaking runs.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Never a fan of kaneria and Yasir already in his short career looks leagues ahead of him.

 

[Zaz]

Kaneria was probably a lot more skilled than shah But its not all about talent alone

The problems kaneria experienced were several

1) he didnt really get any support from another spinner like yasir has He was the lone spinner for the majority of time

2) Poorly captained by Inzy who used him pretty defensively and as a stock bowler expecting him to do the bulk of bowling rather than use him limitedly and as a attacking option

3) He was a pretty poor thinker himself, he wasnt aggressive, couldnt set his own fields and wasnt able to set up batsmen like a good leggie can Yasir is miles ahead in that respect

4) Kamy akmal

 

[Stewie]

Kaneria was always a "since we dont have another spinner" option. On talent and quality, he never should have played for Pakistan,.


Yasir is miles ahead of him in every regard.

 

[Stewie]

I dont mean this as disrespect o Kaneria but thats my assessment. Warne never said so much as a whisper about him but he has already termed Yasir a future great.

 

[Ahson8]

Never rated Kaneria.

 

[Slog]

I dont mean this as disrespect o Kaneria but thats my assessment. Warne never said so much as a whisper about him but he has already termed Yasir a future great.

Warne also worked with Kaneria a fair bit to be fair.

Another issue is that Kaneria came up on the scene when Warne was still an active player so can't expect him to be raving about and having sessions with opposition bowlers. (2002-2005were Kaneria youngsta days and Warne was still playing then.)

Kaneria had more variety but Yasirs execution of his strengths is very good. Also I think Inzy was a poor captain in this regard and used Kaneria as a work horse. Richie Benuad was raving about Kaneria on our 2005 tour.

 

[Slog]

Kaneria was probably a lot more skilled than shah But its not all about talent alone

The problems kaneria experienced were several

1) he didnt really get any support from another spinner like yasir has He was the lone spinner for the majority of time

2) Poorly captained by Inzy who used him pretty defensively and as a stock bowler expecting him to do the bulk of bowling rather than use him limitedly and as a attacking option

3) He was a pretty poor thinker himself, he wasnt aggressive, couldnt set his own fields and wasnt able to set up batsmen like a good leggie can Yasir is miles ahead in that respect

4) Kamy akmal

Good post.

Leg spinners are attacking bowers and Inzy used him as some defensive stock bowler and gave him 20 over spells at times

 

[AlphaFighter]

Kaneria being over bowled is not really a valid excuse. Spinners in general are expected to be work horses and to bowl plenty of overs. It is how the spinners are used by their captains which makes the difference.

 

[Stewie]

Warne also worked with Kaneria a fair bit to be fair.

Another issue is that Kaneria came up on the scene when Warne was still an active player so can't expect him to be raving about and having sessions with opposition bowlers. (2002-2005were Kaneria youngsta days and Warne was still playing then.)

Kaneria had more variety but Yasirs execution of his strengths is very good. Also I think Inzy was a poor captain in this regard and used Kaneria as a work horse. Richie Benuad was raving about Kaneria on our 2005 tour.

I dont think thats the case, but you are entitled to your opinion.


I just dont think Kaneria was ever half as good as Qadir or Warne or Yasir or McGill or even Bishoo. His stock leggie did not have the bite or venom the other leggies I mentioned do/did.

He just never looked threatening enough to me. I know he took crap load of wickets. Had a decent career. But once again that was due to lack of options. Variety gayi tel leney. You need to have a spitting leggie as a leg spinner. Kaneria never had that.

I just feel Yasir is miles ahead of him even at these early stages of his career. I could be wrong but I have strong reasons to believe so.

 

[Slog]

I dont think thats the case, but you are entitled to your opinion.


I just dont think Kaneria was ever half as good as Qadir or Warne or Yasir or McGill or even Bishoo. His stock leggie did not have the bite or venom the other leggies I mentioned do/did.

He just never looked threatening enough to me. I know he took crap load of wickets. Had a decent career. But once again that was due to lack of options. Variety gayi tel leney. You need to have a spitting leggie as a leg spinner. Kaneria never had that.

I just feel Yasir is miles ahead of him even at these early stages of his career. I could be wrong but I have strong reasons to believe so.

I never said Kaneria was superior to Yasir. Not at all. But Kaneria was fairly crucial to a lot our test success under Woolmer in Pak.

I just think you are under rating Kaneria. Not saying who is better.

But Yasir does need to work on his variety

 

[AlphaFighter]

I never said Kaneria was superior to Yasir. Not at all. But Kaneria was fairly crucial to a lot our test success under Woolmer in Pak.

I just think you are under rating Kaneria. Not saying who is better.

But Yasir does need to work on his variety

Variety is useless if they can be easily picked by the opposition. Kaneria's googly and flipper became easy to read for English players. I hope the PCB compensates Yasir Shah well enough so that he doesn't end up going to County Cricket which played a large part in Saqi's and later Kaneria's downfall.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Danish was having the best Fc and list A season of his life when he got banned. He matured very late . Just before getting banned he slowed his runup and changed his action abit with help and guidance from Shane Warne. After it he became more accurate , penetrative and lesser run leaker.

When he turned into a very threatening leggie than he got banned.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Kaneria was a dodgy cricketer, very skilled and he kept the likes of arshad Khan appearing for the team more

It was a good thing this cheat didn't play more games for Pakistan

 

[Stewie]

I never said Kaneria was superior to Yasir. Not at all. But Kaneria was fairly crucial to a lot our test success under Woolmer in Pak.

I just think you are under rating Kaneria. Not saying who is better.

But Yasir does need to work on his variety

Like AlphaFighter said, Variety (overuse of variety) is what destroyed Saqi and Kaneria's career. Somewhat Ajmal became impotent too due to extreme use of his doosra

The common downfall accompanied by variety is bowlers tend to overuse t hem.

I challenge you to find out how many wickets were taken by warne using a googly. He used to bamboozle them with the stock leggie by varying spins imparted on them. Yasir does that already.

Warne did have a good flipper though. but he did not overuse it either. Most of his wickets were off stock leggies.

 

[coy0607]

you have to give some time to Yasir and see how he's doing another 2-3 years, when batsmen around the world have seen him a few times...

so far most batsmen are still seeing him for the first time

 

[axl100mph]

Kaneria was the mohammad sami, albeit to a lesser extent, of leg spin. All that talent but a confused mentality.

He certainly had more ability than yasir

Was taller, got more spin n had all the toys

 

[Stewie]

Kaneria was the mohammad sami, albeit to a lesser extent, of leg spin. All that talent but a confused mentality.

He certainly had more ability than yasir

Was taller, got more spin n had all the toys

I dont know but my memories of Kaneria are completely different. He was not a huge turner of the ball from waht I remember.

 

[axl100mph]

Kaneria was a dodgy cricketer, very skilled and he kept the likes of arshad Khan appearing for the team more

It was a good thing this cheat didn't play more games for Pakistan

R u sure about wht u r saying.
My sources tell me that there is no evidence against him n that he has been put down just so that the english being the custodians dont get any mud slinged at them n keep on to their high horse.
Otherwise why would you impose a life ban on a guy who hasnt been punished for comitting the deed but for proposing it to somebody else who then ends up with a significantly lesser punishment?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

R u sure about wht u r saying.
My sources tell me that there is no evidence against him n that he has been put down just so that the english being the custodians dont get any mud slinged at them n keep on to their high horse.
Otherwise why would you impose a life ban on a guy who hasnt been punished for comitting the deed but for proposing it to somebody else who then ends up with a significantly lesser punishment?

He had evidence against him by most the Essex team, can't really claim it's a conspiracy
He should have known better , especially after representing a minority

 

[axl100mph]

I dont know but my memories of Kaneria are completely different. He was not a huge turner of the ball from waht I remember.

I guess then your opinions on him are flawed n need a recheck.

He had the gift of turn with both, leg spin n googly. But the thing is, he was too impatient n could not stack up 6 good deliveries consistently in an over.

Unlike yasir, who is a bubbly character, kaneria would get too tense n uptight, and thereby lose confidence when things didnt go his way.
As I said, a bit of the sami syndrome but not as bad or intense as sami himself

 

[axl100mph]

He had evidence against him by most the Essex team, can't really claim it's a conspiracy
He should have known better , especially after representing a minority

really? Why hasnt it been made public then.
If I remember, kaneria wants the public to know everything about the case but the ecb hv declined. Anybody who wants the world to know about everything, surely must be confident of something

 

[chacha kashmiri]

really? Why hasnt it been made public then.
If I remember, kaneria wants the public to know everything about the case but the ecb hv declined. Anybody who wants the world to know about everything, surely must be confident of something

His performances in his last few tests were hardly world class

He was also suspected of spot fixing in domestic matches

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Kaneria took over in the beginning of his carrier . Inzi used to over bowl him like crazy . I remember in one of the tests he bowled close a 100 over .

 

[axl100mph]

His performances in his last few tests were hardly world class

He was also suspected of spot fixing in domestic matches

Yeah right, that post leaves nothing for me to argue with.


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[Big Mac]

Warne has never been as excited with Kaneria as he has been with Yasir.

Because Warne was still playing at that time, nowadays he has nothing to do except get himself as much publicity as possible by tweeting all day.

Kaneria was always a "since we dont have another spinner" option. On talent and quality, he never should have played for Pakistan,.


Yasir is miles ahead of him in every regard.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

Kaneria was a top class bowler, who was doubly screwed by a captain who couldn't handle him properly and the fact that we never had our first choice bowling attack available because of injuries and suspensions so Kaneria had to be the strike bowler, workhorse and defensive option all at the same time. And that's before we get to the Akmal factor.

Kaneria was quality and anyone who claims he was crap doesn't have a clue.

 

[majiz]

i actually really rated kaneria and enjoyed watching him bowl, he was a better bowler than his average suggests.

 

[srh]

I believe even Kaneria started of his career well in his first 20-30 test matches before he eventually fell away.

A large part of Kaneria's decline can perhaps be attributed to Inzi who used him as a negative option for e.g. bowling around the wickets, to keep the run flow down rather than to take wickets and i believe it was the 2006 tour to England which started Kaneria's decline in form.

Maybe an overdose of county cricket didn't help matters either as too many cheap wickets against poor players of spin breeds complacency.

It is remarkable whatever Yasir has achieved so far because the guy doesn't even have a proper flipper or googly as yet. Yasir like Kaneria has had a dream start to his career, can he go on now and keep up the good work?

Kaneria is the best leg spinner Pakistan has ever produced. The guy had so many skills.

Yasir Shah is one of the weak leg spinners Pakistan has produced. His skills cannot match with skills of Kaneria.

Yet Yasir Shah is very successful already with not much skills set.

As the Holy Quran says
"Wa Tu Izzo Man Tasha Wa Tu Zillo Man Tasha".
جسے چاہے عزت دے اور جسے چاہے ذلت دے

 

[Bewal Express]

I watched Yasir closely and for me he lacks the sharp spinning leg break pitched around off and middle on a consistent basis. Maybe my expectations are too high but in England next year, these same batsman will take him to the cleaners.

 

[Finisher]

Seen a lot of both

Kaneria was a good legspinner, had a better googley then Yasir has in his armoury at the moment.

Yasirs had to toil for 10+ years on the domestic circuit whilst kaneria was put into Pakistan team quite young like when was about 21-22.

kaneria was a genuine number 11 and a terrible fielder who would drop dollies all the time.

 

[Nothing matters]

I just hate this obsession of people with variety and googly yes its nice to have variety but its not more important than a good stock ball.Stock ball is what is important not variety.I don't remember kaneria as a big turner of the ball.He had a good googly but not a good leg spinner.As long as yasir continues to rely on his leg spinner he will be alright imo.

 

[Pakcricket89]

I watched Yasir closely and for me he lacks the sharp spinning leg break pitched around off and middle on a consistent basis. Maybe my expectations are too high but in England next year, these same batsman will take him to the cleaners.

Yasir's strength is his shar turning leg break, he has much better leg break than kaneria and Mushi

 

[Rudi hater]

Kaneria was probably a lot more skilled than shah But its not all about talent alone

The problems kaneria experienced were several

1) he didnt really get any support from another spinner like yasir has He was the lone spinner for the majority of time

2) Poorly captained by Inzy who used him pretty defensively and as a stock bowler expecting him to do the bulk of bowling rather than use him limitedly and as a attacking option

3) He was a pretty poor thinker himself, he wasnt aggressive, couldnt set his own fields and wasnt able to set up batsmen like a good leggie can Yasir is miles ahead in that respect

4) Kamy akmal

I disagree with first point Pakistan had better spinners during Kaneira times, Saqlain, Saeed, Abdul Rehman, Hafeez ( when he was bowling) to name the few.

 

[Pantani]

Lack of and the presence of guys like Zulfi to do the defensive bowling should prevent Yasir from falling into the same trap.

 

[Pantani]

As for Kaneria, he was a decent bowler. His main downside was that he could never take cheap 5 wicket hauls. Most of them cost more than 100 runs and consequently he wasn't much of a match winner on his own. Yasir might not have the same pure talent but he is more effective and can take cheap, match winning 5 wicket hauls.

 

[Major]

I still remember the days when watching Kaneria come through his run up with his hand touching his tongue then going through to bowl his delivery. Was a great spinner, but his Captain was a joke and during those days Pakistan never played 2 full time spinners.

Most Pakistani's have always made this self claim that they are a fast bowling nation, and hence on many occasion too many Fasters were used for no reason.

It was after when Misbah came over, he introduced the concept of playing two spinners on Subcontinent Tracks. In the past, forget two spinners in the line up, we never even had a back up spinner in the squad. Hafeez, Malik or AFridi who were part timers were used as second spinners. In todays cricket they are used as part timer 3rd spinners.

I remember fans really hated Misbah for playing only 2 pacers and 2 spinners. But today the results speak for themselves.

If Kaneria was playing today, trust me, Babar or Rehman wouldn't had played this much amount of cricket today.

 

[A-1]

hmm kaneria was a very skilled bowler but he had a defensive mindset (and captain) but he still was a very good bowler.Him and akhtar demolished one of the best english side at home (2005). His batting and fielding were atrocious though.

Also, The fact that kami kept wickets to kaneria didnt help either. Kami literally destroyed his career and whatever confidence he had. In the 2006 away series against Eng, Kaneria was robbed by akmal, farhat and butt. Faisal iqbal did drop a few at silly point but they werent that many, these 3 dropped sitters. I felt it destroyed Kaneria, he was never the same bowler afterwards.

On the other hand yasir is one of the best fielder in Pak cricket Atm and he can bat (somewhat). As far as his bowling is concern, well he is the 2nd best bowler in the world so that sums it up.

 

[Pakcricket89]

I still remember the days when watching Kaneria come through his run up with his hand touching his tongue then going through to bowl his delivery. Was a great spinner, but his Captain was a joke and during those days Pakistan never played 2 full time spinners.

Most Pakistani's have always made this self claim that they are a fast bowling nation, and hence on many occasion too many Fasters were used for no reason.

It was after when Misbah came over, he introduced the concept of playing two spinners on Subcontinent Tracks. In the past, forget two spinners in the line up, we never even had a back up spinner in the squad. Hafeez, Malik or AFridi who were part timers were used as second spinners. In todays cricket they are used as part timer 3rd spinners.

I remember fans really hated Misbah for playing only 2 pacers and 2 spinners. But today the results speak for themselves.

If Kaneria was playing today, trust me, Babar or Rehman wouldn't had played this much amount of cricket today.

I agree Kaneria was an immensely talented bowler and many times he was badly used by Inzi and may chances were grassed by Kami still he had decent career stats and would have broken pakistan's record for most wickets easily

Babar, Rehman type spinners only got to play cricket because our 3 best bowlers Asif, Aamer and Kaneria got banned

 

[Zaz]

I disagree with first point Pakistan had better spinners during Kaneira times, Saqlain, Saeed, Abdul Rehman, Hafeez ( when he was bowling) to name the few.

Now thats not correct, saeed wasnt on the scene then, saqi was finished and discarded

Hafeez was part time in and out of the team He only really cemented his place in the last5 years Rehman like saeed wasnt on the scene

Out of all the options kaneria was the most talented and obvious selection

For various reasons as discussed through his own inability, the poor pitches he played on and the way he was handled through to the poor keeper he didnt do as well as he shouldve

 

[Hamza78]

I miss him specially wen he come to bat pcb didn't treat well kaneria

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Variety does not make one a great Legspinner. Accuracy does. Kumble was not Big spinner of the ball, no great Variety like Qadir. But Kumble got 500+ wickets.

 

[Zaz]

Variety does not make one a great Legspinner. Accuracy does. Kumble was not Big spinner of the ball, no great Variety like Qadir. But Kumble got 500+ wickets.

That wasnt necessarily because he was a better spinner, the 500 is down not only to good skills but he played a lot more than qadir did

Same reason why anderson is now approaching 500, players in the modern era do play a lot more tests than they did in bygone eras

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Danish was having the best Fc and list A season of his life when he got banned. He matured very late . Just before getting banned he slowed his runup and changed his action abit with help and guidance from Shane Warne. After it he became more accurate , penetrative and lesser run leaker.

When he turned into a very threatening leggie than he got banned.

[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

I saw Danish Kaneria's 7 fer in a List A match for HBL. It was final and was televised. Last domestic season he played. It was 2011-2012. List A was weak format of Kaneria and this was the firstime in last 10-12 years that Kaneria topped the chart of list A tournament and became highest wicket taker and averaged 14.

Kaneria was 31-32 and he looked in his peak. I did not even see him bowl that well in a Test the way he bowled that day.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Kaneria was an awesome bowler. Hard done by ECB. Anyway, if we could get him to work with Yasir Shah that would be great. Specifically for the wrong'un. It was one of the bests I'd ever seen.

 

[MRSN]

[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

I saw Danish Kaneria's 7 fer in a List A match for HBL. It was final and was televised. Last domestic season he played. It was 2011-2012. List A was weak format of Kaneria and this was the firstime in last 10-12 years that Kaneria topped the chart of list A tournament and became highest wicket taker and averaged 14.

Kaneria was 31-32 and he looked in his peak. I did not even see him bowl that well in a Test the way he bowled that day.

yes he showed a lot of improvements in his latter part of career. He bowled well in England and Aus compared to Yasir Shah. Really think he would have enjoyed UAE wickets bowling along side Ajmal if it wasn't for ban. PCB were too quick to ban him. It was sad affairs but what can we say it's run by some jokers.

 

[Statsman]

Honestly Kaneria would have done well in present times with lack of quality batsmen against spin.

Kami, Kaneria, Asif, UA and Butt back in the team would take us back to 2008-10. Misbah, YK and Aamir are already there. Even Wahab and Sohail made their debuts in those times. Gul was on the fringes not long ago. Afridi can take back his retirement. Would feel like sitting in a time machine and going back in history.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

yes he showed a lot of improvements in his latter part of career. He bowled well in England and Aus compared to Yasir Shah. Really think he would have enjoyed UAE wickets bowling along side Ajmal if it wasn't for ban. PCB were too quick to ban him. It was sad affairs but what can we say it's run by some jokers.

Warne altered his runup and action. His control improved. His googly and flipper improved significantly at the age of 31-32. Warne's guidance resulted in him shorterning his steps and his approach was much calm.


That was his last List A/domestic match and those figures of 7-39 were his career best.


Even when he did not have good control, Kamran dropped alot of catches and missed stumpings. Inzamam's field placings were defensive and he did not use him as real attacking option. Plus he did not have a spin bowling partner at other end which helps.

In his last Fc season ie 2011 he took 70 wickets including 6 fivefers. In previous season he took 69 Fc wickets including 4 fivefers and 2 tenfers.


If he did not get banned than He looked destined to get atleast 450 Test wickets if not more.


Kaneria has 261 Test wickets when he played his Last Test at the age of 29 years and 8 months. At similar age Shane Warne had 317 Test wickets.

 

[Slog]

I dont mean this as disrespect o Kaneria but thats my assessment. Warne never said so much as a whisper about him but he has already termed Yasir a future great.

Also.... Kaneria was Warnes contemporary and played 4-5 years when Warne was active so it's normal Warne won't go gaga over an opponent.

And unlikely to watch him much anyway

 

[MRSN]

Warne altered his runup and action. His control improved. His googly and flipper improved significantly at the age of 31-32. Warne's guidance resulted in him shorterning his steps and his approach was much calm.


That was his last List A/domestic match and those figures of 7-39 were his career best.


Even when he did not have good control, Kamran dropped alot of catches and missed stumpings. Inzamam's field placings were defensive and he did not use him as real attacking option. Plus he did not have a spin bowling partner at other end which helps.

In his last Fc season ie 2011 he took 70 wickets including 6 fivefers. In previous season he took 69 Fc wickets including 4 fivefers and 2 tenfers.


If he did not get banned than He looked destined to get atleast 450 Test wickets if not more.


Kaneria has 261 Test wickets when he played his Last Test at the age of 29 years and 8 months. At similar age Shane Warne had 317 Test wickets.

I believe he would have been the most successful spinner of Pakistan in tests if it wasn't for the ban considering we were playing most of our games on UAE pitches. The ban really didn't do him any favor. what a waste of a great investment.

 

[Slog]

Also Kaneria was entering his peak at the time he was let go.

Yasir debuted when he was 30.

Akmal robbed of him if so many wickets

I remember recently in an interview on ptv akhtar was asked about Kamran dropping his catches against NZ in the WC and he expressed frustration but said this was no where near the hell Kaneria had to go through. So many catches dropped and many stumping chances too which no one points to

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Also Kaneria was entering his peak at the time he was let go.

Yasir debuted when he was 30.

Akmal robbed of him if so many wickets

I remember recently in an interview on ptv akhtar was asked about Kamran dropping his catches against NZ in the WC and he expressed frustration but said this was no where near the hell Kaneria had to go through. So many catches dropped and many stumping chances too which no one points to

Fully agree.


1024 Fc wickets at the age of 31.

 

[Bilal7]

Kaneria had more variety than Shah but not the same amount of control and precision. Also, Danny was a mentally weak character and could never handle being the strike bowler of a team. Add to that his terrible batting and fielding and you see a lot of similarities between him and Monty Panesar. Both were pretty decent spinners though.

 

[Bewal Express]

Warne altered his runup and action. His control improved. His googly and flipper improved significantly at the age of 31-32. Warne's guidance resulted in him shorterning his steps and his approach was much calm.


That was his last List A/domestic match and those figures of 7-39 were his career best.


Even when he did not have good control, Kamran dropped alot of catches and missed stumpings. Inzamam's field placings were defensive and he did not use him as real attacking option. Plus he did not have a spin bowling partner at other end which helps.

In his last Fc season ie 2011 he took 70 wickets including 6 fivefers. In previous season he took 69 Fc wickets including 4 fivefers and 2 tenfers.


If he did not get banned than He looked destined to get atleast 450 Test wickets if not more.


Kaneria has 261 Test wickets when he played his Last Test at the age of 29 years and 8 months. At similar age Shane Warne had 317 Test wickets.

Warne never had a googly bar the first few years. His shoulder injuries stopped him bowling it.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Also Kaneria was entering his peak at the time he was let go.

Yasir debuted when he was 30.

Akmal robbed of him if so many wickets

I remember recently in an interview on ptv akhtar was asked about Kamran dropping his catches against NZ in the WC and he expressed frustration but said this was no where near the hell Kaneria had to go through. So many catches dropped and many stumping chances too which no one points to

To put it in perspective how much damage Kamran Akmal really did to Kanera...let's take a recent series:

Parthiv Patel dropped atleast 4 separate batsmen off Ash in this series (multiple drops not counted). Ashwin averaged 30.2 in the series. If those chances were taken, he would average 26.

Now here's the kicker:

Bairstow was not stumped when scorecard was 150 odd and he was finally out when score was 250 odd.
Hameed dropped in single digit went on to smash nearly 60. His partners would have smashed a few too.
Bairstow again was dropped in single digits which allowed him to score 50 odd. Partners would have smashed a few too.
Only Cook's drop was not too costly. Maybe 20-30 runs loss only for the team.

If you take these things into account, the average of the said bowler would drop to 23-24 (conservatively) and so would the average of other spinners and pacers.

This is the effect of just 4 separate drops.

Akmal dropped around 70-80 catches. Atleast 40-50 would be separate.

Imagine this happening to Kaneria for years and years.

And imagine the psychological impact of it on Kaneria.

Dropping catches at home is one thing (you can create more chances)...but to drop away from home is cruel to a spinner.

I always felt sorry for Kaneria but the England series truly helped me understand the MAGNITUDE of the hell Kaneria went through.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I have heard Kaneria has bowled a lot of garbage too at times. So not excusing everything in the name of drops but he had a lot of talent to succeed overseas too.

Can someone give an accurate picture of how Kaneria was as a bowler?

 

[srh]

Kaneria is the best leg spinner Pakistan has ever produced. The guy had so many skills.

Yasir Shah is one of the weak leg spinners Pakistan has produced. His skills cannot match with skills of Kaneria.

Yet Yasir Shah is very successful already with not much skills set.

As the Holy Quran says
"Wa Tu Izzo Man Tasha Wa Tu Zillo Man Tasha".
جسے چاہے عزت دے اور جسے چاہے ذلت دے

wow. just amazing how correct I was

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Warne never had a googly bar the first few years. His shoulder injuries stopped him bowling it.

You did not get me.


Warne brought changes in Kaneria. That's what I said.


And no He continued bowling googly. He just stopped bowling flipper and instead opted for zooter post shoulder injury.

 

[Asim2Good]

Yasir shah need to adjust his bowling speed.
He need to a bit slower and give bit more loop.
Whenever i saw highlights of recent Aus tour, he bowled either half volley or half trackers.

 

[Syed1]

I have heard Kaneria has bowled a lot of garbage too at times. So not excusing everything in the name of drops but he had a lot of talent to succeed overseas too.

Can someone give an accurate picture of how Kaneria was as a bowler?

Considerably more dangerous than Shah, but also prone to one bad ball in an over. Shah atleast in the UAE has ability to bowl long spells without giving many runs, however he has been dispatched to all parts in Australia.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I hope Shah doesn't head in the Kaneria direction i.e. fast start to his career but then declined big time after wards

 

[Slog]

I have heard Kaneria has bowled a lot of garbage too at times. So not excusing everything in the name of drops but he had a lot of talent to succeed overseas too.

Can someone give an accurate picture of how Kaneria was as a bowler?

Bowled many loose balls in many spells hence the high ER

And once he used to lose confidence he just went all over the place.

So the drops kind of played into that . Once he had a couple of missed chances his shoulders were drop and he would go through the paces and get smacked around

But then he also bowled some long spells of 30+ overs a day in Pakistan where he kept a lid on runs

 

[Syed1]

Who can forget that Kaneria wicket in India with fading light on last day of test and overs finishing at a rapid rate with a defiant Indian tail hanging on.

Special place in my heart for Kaneria for his exploits in that match. It escapes my memory what tour or exact match was that.

 

[Slog]

Who can forget that Kaneria wicket in India with fading light on last day of test and overs finishing at a rapid rate with a defiant Indian tail hanging on.

Special place in my heart for Kaneria for his exploits in that match. It escapes my memory what tour or exact match was that.

2005 I gues

 

[shaz619]

Have a soft spot for Kaneria he was a tremendous bowler but a little inconsistent to despite things not going his way at times, captaincy and missed chances. As a package he brings a lot more to do the table in terms of variation then Yasir and he was a bigger turner of the ball, Yasir hasn't played enough games to make a more accurate comparison. But Kaneria was a champion match winner at his best, wonderful leggie; has three 5fers in AUS and one against the ATG Aussie batting line up [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]. His 35 average doesn't do him justice

 

[Stallion__]

Kaneria had lot more variations than Yasir and he would often overuse them (occasionally bowling 6 googlies in an over). Was a decent spinner till 2007 even though Inzi over-bowling him reduced his effectiveness. He could turn the ball big till a fracture in his finger around late 2007. Was a mediocre spinner after that. I remember Lara once made a century in a session against us, scoring like 60-70 runs against Kaneria alone. Kaneria later said I feel proud to get smacked by a player of Lara's calibre

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Have a soft spot for Kaneria he was a tremendous bowler but a little inconsistent to despite things not going his way at times, captaincy and missed chances. As a package he brings a lot more to do the table in terms of variation then Yasir and he was a bigger turner of the ball, Yasir hasn't played enough games to make a more accurate comparison. But Kaneria was a champion match winner at his best, wonderful leggie; has three 5fers in AUS and one against the ATG Aussie batting line up [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]. His 35 average doesn't do him justice

Kaneria had lot more variations than Yasir and he would often overuse them (occasionally bowling 6 googlies in an over). Was a decent spinner till 2007 even though Inzi over-bowling him reduced his effectiveness. He could turn the ball big till a fracture in his finger around late 2007. Was a mediocre spinner after that. I remember Lara once made a century in a session against us, scoring like 60-70 runs against Kaneria alone. Kaneria later said I feel proud to get smacked by a player of Lara's calibre

Thanks fellas.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Have a soft spot for Kaneria he was a tremendous bowler but a little inconsistent to despite things not going his way at times, captaincy and missed chances. As a package he brings a lot more to do the table in terms of variation then Yasir and he was a bigger turner of the ball, Yasir hasn't played enough games to make a more accurate comparison. But Kaneria was a champion match winner at his best, wonderful leggie; has three 5fers in AUS and one against the ATG Aussie batting line up [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]. His 35 average doesn't do him justice

Agree with you completely , he was one of the reason why Pak drew series in India, that Bangalore wicket was flat but his bowling won Pak match. Lost catches of his bowling were main reason for his bad numbers like how Akhtar career was ended because of Kami.

 

[speedking]

Danish One of my favorite leg spinner no matter what you say I think he has the best wrong un in the world

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Considerably more dangerous than Shah, but also prone to one bad ball in an over. Shah atleast in the UAE has ability to bowl long spells without giving many runs, however he has been dispatched to all parts in Australia.

I missed out your comment amongst others. Yeah that seems to be the consensus. Talented to succeed everywhere but accuracy could have been better...and sometimes tried too many things and like many Pak spinners, captain bowls them to the ground.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

^And [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]'s too about Kaneria.

 

[Big Mac]

I love how there were hardly any of us who praised Kaneria for years and years but a couple of bad tours for Yasir and suddenly Kaneria's stock has risen amongst everyone else

 

[srh]

I love how there were hardly any of us who praised Kaneria for years and years but a couple of bad tours for Yasir and suddenly Kaneria's stock has risen amongst everyone else

I for one, have been consistent in this regard. Never rated Yasir as the best leg spinner of Pakistan at any time. I wanted PCB to invest in Shahzaib Ahmed who was the best young leg spinner at U-19 at that time. But PCB played Abdul Qadir's son over him in U-19 WC

 

[Slog]

I love how there were hardly any of us who praised Kaneria for years and years but a couple of bad tours for Yasir and suddenly Kaneria's stock has risen amongst everyone else

Dunno about others but Atleast I've been always consistent

I still maintain that Kaneria had one of the best googles of ALL TIME!!

Also I don't think anyone here is seriously saying Kaneria>Yasir

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Different bowlers. Kaneria would have 350+ wickets if the drop machine wasn't keeping for him.