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Could India and Pakistan meet in the final of the ICC T20 World Cup?

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After beating India comprehensively yesterday. Pakistan are almost guaranteed a spot in the semis barring a miracle. Hoping yesterday's defeat would fire up India to bring out their A game along with a few changes in the XI.
Spoke to a few friends and all are gunning for an Indo-Pak final. Would be the biggest clash since 2011 wc semi imho.
 
Hope history repeats itself like the CT 2017 and the other team (India) wins!

Just need Shaheen to bowl a no-ball to Rohit or Rahul first up.
 
Well, lets not go there after 1 game.

For Pak its important to take it 1 game at a time. The match vs NZ is also crucial and will be played at a small ground in Sharjah.

India still for me the no 1 team in the WC and they will reach the final.
Pak has a very good chance to get into the semis now.

Fingers crossed:shhh
 
Varun said:
Hope history repeats itself like the CT 2017 and the other team (India) wins!

Just need Shaheen to bowl a no-ball to Rohit or Rahul first up.
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I think India need to manufacture an injury to Bhuveneshwar Kumar and bring in a better pacer. I have heard Umran Malik is good.
 
Oh yes. It can happen with India being firm favorites still for this tournament. I expect Pakistan to make the semis.
 
If Pakistan beat New Zealand then the India vs New Zealand game will be massive
 
shamaan said:
If Pakistan beat New Zealand then the India vs New Zealand game will be massive
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India vs New Zealand is a massive game for India notwithstanding. If India lose that as well, they are effectively out of the tournament.
 
Hopefully not . Surely Pakistan will lose it . Like to see Pakistan england final
 
Yes. Bowl out is like a super over. The match is a draw. Winner decided by a super over or a bowl out. Like the 2019 world cup final match was a draw.
 
Man, the parallels and the poetry that could present itself if it's a PakvInd final. The one's off the top of my head:

- CT17: Pak loses badly to India in the group stage, thrashes India in the final
WT20 2021: India loses badly to Pak in the group stage, thrashes Pakistan in the final
- WT20 2007: India won both games in close fashion
WT20 2021: Pakistan win both games but in clinical fashion

The final could very well be Pak vs Ind, but I don't want that. I don't think I could take it :uak
 
TeamPak95 said:
Man, the parallels and the poetry that could present itself if it's a PakvInd final. The one's off the top of my head:

- CT17: Pak loses badly to India in the group stage, thrashes India in the final
WT20 2021: India loses badly to Pak in the group stage, thrashes Pakistan in the final
- WT20 2007: India won both games in close fashion
WT20 2021: Pakistan win both games but in clinical fashion

The final could very well be Pak vs Ind, but I don't want that. I don't think I could take it :uak
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Would easily be the biggest game of the last 10 years since the 2011 wc semi final! Pressure on both teams would be something else!
 
I don’t see us reaching KO at this rate. Pathetic performance last match.
 
Calm down. We are losing to NZ and getting out of the tournament.
Pak and NZ are two teams for semis.
 
Won't happen. Atm though, Pakistan more likely to make the finals than India.
 
Jeetlodil said:
Yes. Bowl out is like a super over. The match is a draw. Winner decided by a super over or a bowl out. Like the 2019 world cup final match was a draw.
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Nobody calls NZ as ODI World Champions. England won that match.
 
I have a feeling that the Indian team is going to bounce back really hard.

Their players are not flukes or hit n miss types. They are world class players and many of them are complete match winners on their own.

Yes they played bad against Pakistan, and yes Pakistan player super good on that day, but based on one match, you can't brush aside this super strong Indian side. It will be foolish to do so.

I think there is a good 80% chance that NZ are going to get a thrashing of their life against the Indian team in their next game.
 
India don't deserve to go to finals after losing by 10 wickets vs Pakistan.
 
India will defo bounce back like they did against aus when they got skittles out for 30 odd or whatever it was. This group has really opened up if pak can beat nz tomorrow then it will be an interesting battle between nz india and maybe even Afghanistan after their thumping win today.
 
silentkiller187 said:
India will defo bounce back like they did against aus when they got skittles out for 30 odd or whatever it was. This group has really opened up if pak can beat nz tomorrow then it will be an interesting battle between nz india and maybe even Afghanistan after their thumping win today.
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Afghan should comfortably win against India and NZ because of their strong batting lineup and spin bowling....AFG should reach semis along with Pak.
 
NZ will beat this woeful Indian side.

India will be back in Bollywood before the semis.
 
InshaAllah

Would love to beat the Indians one more time in this tournament!
 
I think we are getting over confident and underestimating other teams, this is just the start of tournament!
Things change in an instant especially in a multi team tournament.

Coming to Pakistan, I have been saying all this while, due to conditions, man to man experience and uae location they are favorites. It's just that people were unnecessarily getting nervous, understandable though.

Coming to India, it's first game lost and they will be focussed and not look too far ahead
 
People can call me pessimist (but I am realist though)
Nothing more happier if they reach semis; but given what Pakistan used to do earlier, I will be surprised to see them at semis
 
It quite possible and many people are talking about it . It would be a "mother of all battles ' type of blockbuster match , particularly after yesterday's game .

In my opinion the biggest gain from 10/24 match has been the renewed interest in future India-Pakistan matches . Until now, India's winning streak was getting longer and longer and people were losing interest .
 
iniqbal223 said:
People can call me pessimist (but I am realist though)
Nothing more happier if they reach semis; but given what Pakistan used to do earlier, I will be surprised to see them at semis
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You need prozac or something like that.
 
silentkiller187 said:
India will defo bounce back like they did against aus when they got skittles out for 30 odd or whatever it was. This group has really opened up if pak can beat nz tomorrow then it will be an interesting battle between nz india and maybe even Afghanistan after their thumping win today.
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If Pakistan wins tomorrow against NZL, we can sit back and enjoy watching other teams battling out there for the 2nd SF spot.
 
the most dangerous side in our pool is Afgh after India.( not NZ)

Pakistan to win the toss and win the match

If batting first it will be tricky to set a total
 
We might see India vs Pakistan final
so that ICC can recover their COVID losses of last 2 years
 
IMO there will be no recovery to ICT....after yesterday's defeat, they will be emotionally down and it might take many months to recover.....the battle is now between Pak, NZ and AFG...India is already out of the tournament mentally.
 
Varun said:
Hope history repeats itself like the CT 2017 and the other team (India) wins!

Just need Shaheen to bowl a no-ball to Rohit or Rahul first up.
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History can also repeat itself like 2007 T20 WC & Pak can win this time around. Hoping for that to happen if both teams reach the final this time.
 
Hopefully not.

No way we are topping this performance against any team, let alone India.

I'd be more than happy to not play India till 2023. That way Pakistan will always have a punch-line when people start talking about India. And casual fans who only care about one match will largely be kept quiet.
 
Would love to see a PAK v IND Final. Regardless of the result, it'd be a great advertisement of cricket.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Yes they played bad against Pakistan, and yes Pakistan player super good on that day, but based on one match, you can't brush aside this super strong Indian side. It will be foolish to do so.
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Don't think we play bad against Pak, it's just brilliant opening spell by Shaheen.. Though we do have couple of passengers in that xi so does Pakistan..
 
I hope it happens.

That will be a massive game and it's all about entertainment at the end of the day.
 
No Thanks.

I don't want to see the repeat of CT17 (Pakistan on receiving end this time).
 
There is another T20 world cup in 2022, if I am not wrong.

Wouldn't you want Pak to play Ind in that tournament?


RedwoodOriginal said:
Hopefully not.

No way we are topping this performance against any team, let alone India.

I'd be more than happy to not play India till 2023. That way Pakistan will always have a punch-line when people start talking about India. And casual fans who only care about one match will largely be kept quiet.
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Pakistan are pretty much guaranteed a semi spot now. For India their NZ match is a quarter final now but would expect India to win easily. Both teams would make the semi's I believe.
 
Think india will still make it to the final.

On paper, still the best team in the competition
 
I was hoping for it. In my opinion, nothing will be more justified if Pak beats Eng SF and smash NZ in the final.
 
I hope not.

Winning against Pakistan in the final would be nice. But can't survive another belt treatment in the final against Pakistan lmao.
 
not looking good for India after today's match....NZ looking really strong with their bowling...It would be a miracle if India wins that match.
 
I think New Zealand can definitely beat India they played really well against Pakistan.
 
"Dosti Ki Jeet Ho": Saqlain Mushtaq Hopes For India-Pakistan FinalAsked if he would want another game with the traditional rivals in the final of the marquee tournament, Saqlain said, "If India makes the final, it would be a great thing because I feel, and this is not because we have beaten them, they are a strong team, everyone considers them a favourite."

Pakistan coach Saqlain Mushtaq on Thursday said it would be a "great thing" if his team gets to square off against India in the T20 World Cup final and lauded the two sides for sending a message of friendship during their earlier clash in the ongoing tournament. Pakistan defeated India by 10 wickets in the match on Sunday and, according to Saqlain, the sporting conduct of players on both the sides sent a strong message of humanity. Asked if he would want another game with the traditional rivals in the final of the marquee tournament, Saqlain said, "If India makes the final, it would be a great thing because I feel, and this is not because we have beaten them, they are a strong team, everyone considers them a favourite."

"Do match khelenge to relation aur acche ho jaenge (playing one more match would only better our relations).

"In the previous game, the way Virat Kohli, (MS) Dhoni and even our own players conducted themselves, it sent a strong message that we are all humans, we all love each other, it is just a game," he said.

"Hats off to the players for sending the message. Dosti ki jeet ho, dushmani ki haar ho (friendship should triumph, enmity should lose)," he said.

The question was thrown at him during a press conference ahead of the match against Afghanistan here on Friday.

Saqlain said he also considers England, Australia and South Africa as strong contenders.

"Jab aap aate hain to become a world champion, then you don''t look at opponents, you focus on your own game. England is a favourite, Australia plays tough cricket. South Africa also. I believe, commitment, attitude and process are in your hands, not the results.

"You should be able to execute the plans, no matter who you are playing. If India makes finals, the ICC will be happy, fans will be happy," he said.

India are due to take on New Zealand in their second Super 12 match on Sunday.

https://sports.ndtv.com/icc-t20-wor...ushtaq-hopes-for-india-pakistan-final-2591075
 
MenInG said:
"Dosti Ki Jeet Ho": Saqlain Mushtaq Hopes For India-Pakistan FinalAsked if he would want another game with the traditional rivals in the final of the marquee tournament, Saqlain said, "If India makes the final, it would be a great thing because I feel, and this is not because we have beaten them, they are a strong team, everyone considers them a favourite."

Pakistan coach Saqlain Mushtaq on Thursday said it would be a "great thing" if his team gets to square off against India in the T20 World Cup final and lauded the two sides for sending a message of friendship during their earlier clash in the ongoing tournament. Pakistan defeated India by 10 wickets in the match on Sunday and, according to Saqlain, the sporting conduct of players on both the sides sent a strong message of humanity. Asked if he would want another game with the traditional rivals in the final of the marquee tournament, Saqlain said, "If India makes the final, it would be a great thing because I feel, and this is not because we have beaten them, they are a strong team, everyone considers them a favourite."

"Do match khelenge to relation aur acche ho jaenge (playing one more match would only better our relations).

"In the previous game, the way Virat Kohli, (MS) Dhoni and even our own players conducted themselves, it sent a strong message that we are all humans, we all love each other, it is just a game," he said.

"Hats off to the players for sending the message. Dosti ki jeet ho, dushmani ki haar ho (friendship should triumph, enmity should lose)," he said.

The question was thrown at him during a press conference ahead of the match against Afghanistan here on Friday.

Saqlain said he also considers England, Australia and South Africa as strong contenders.

"Jab aap aate hain to become a world champion, then you don''t look at opponents, you focus on your own game. England is a favourite, Australia plays tough cricket. South Africa also. I believe, commitment, attitude and process are in your hands, not the results.

"You should be able to execute the plans, no matter who you are playing. If India makes finals, the ICC will be happy, fans will be happy," he said.

India are due to take on New Zealand in their second Super 12 match on Sunday.

https://sports.ndtv.com/icc-t20-wor...ushtaq-hopes-for-india-pakistan-final-2591075
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Logical response from Saqlain.

It will be interesting to consider, if Pakistan wins the T20WC, will Saqlain be asked to be the National Head Coach?
 
Potential Scenario.

AFG bt PAK = AFG 4 points PAK 4 points
AFG bt NAM = AFG 6 points
NZ bt IND = NZ 2 points IND 0 points

IF Pakistan then win their remaining games against Namibia and Scotland, and Afghanistan beat NZ, then India and NZ will be knocked out. Pakistan finish 2nd and Afghanistan top the group due to NRR.
 
At the moment, should India qualify for the semi final - then this could be a big probability!
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Potential Scenario.

AFG bt PAK = AFG 4 points PAK 4 points
AFG bt NAM = AFG 6 points
NZ bt IND = NZ 2 points IND 0 points

IF Pakistan then win their remaining games against Namibia and Scotland, and Afghanistan beat NZ, then India and NZ will be knocked out. Pakistan finish 2nd and Afghanistan top the group due to NRR.
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Pak beat afg so pak cannot finish 2nd.
 
Less than a year out from the final, the race for the 2021-2023 World Test Championship mace is reaching the business end.

South Africa have made a move to the top of the World Test Championship standings off the back of solid performances against India and Bangladesh.

Hot on their heels are Australia and Sri Lanka, taking up second and third places respectively, though India and Pakistan are bearing down on the trio with favourable series to play.

Heading into the final nine series of the cycle, here's how your team is positioned.


1st - South Africa - 71.43% of possible points

Remaining series: England (away, three Tests), West Indies (home, two Tests), Australia (away, three Tests)

What they have to do: Unleash that bowling attack and hold on with the bat away from home

Tough away series to England and Australia stare South Africa in the face, though the side have the firepower to push both, providing their batting can match their electric bowling attack.

Coming from behind to claim a famous series victory over India at home shows a resilient side to Dean Elgar's team, typified by his own dogged batting at the top of the order. The skipper leads with the way for the Proteas in runs scored in the cycle (517 at 39.76), with the side seemingly finding a way to put up totals good enough for their bowlers to defend.

Scores of 300-plus should be enough in England to keep South Africa in the game and indeed the Championship, with the side boasting a bowling line-up that could well be a top-three attack in the next two to three years if not already. Kagiso Rabada (30 wickets at 20.00) leads the charge, with Keshav Maharaj's left-arm orthodox a relentless threat.


2nd - Australia - 70% of possible points
Remaining series: West Indies (home, two Tests), South Africa (home, three Tests), India (away, four Tests)

What they have to do: Put home points in the bank

Narrowly missing out on a chance of playing the first World Test Championship final, Pat Cummins' men look in no mood to give up easy points throughout the cycle.

Crucially making the most of the home advantage early on, and claiming Test wins away from home in Pakistan and Sri Lanka, the side welcome West Indies and South Africa at home for a total of five Tests.

Stacked with pace options and with the luxury of the tenth-highest wicket-taker of all time in off-spinner Nathan Lyon, Australia's batting looks solid, bolstered by Usman Khawaja answering all-important questions at the top of the order, and the output of Travis Head at No.6.

Australia's biggest hurdle to the final though remains India.

Facing Rohit Sharma’s side in the subcontinent for four Tests next year in a place they haven’t won at since 2004, the Australians will likely need to avoid defeat on multiple occasions to finish above their opponents on the table.

Five home wins and four away defeats take the Aussies to 63.16%, a finishing percentage not good enough to hold off India, assuming Rohit's side sweep Bangladesh beforehand.


3rd - Sri Lanka - 53.33% of possible points
Remaining series: New Zealand (away, two Tests)

What they have to do: Surprise New Zealand and hope other series go their way

Had Sri Lanka gone unbeaten at home to Australia and Pakistan, the conversation of their chances of a WTC23 final appearance would have been more positive. Instead, inconsistent performances at home and little time to make a charge make their chances slim at best and Dimuth Karunaratne's side will be ruing missed opportunities.

Just one series remains for Sri Lanka - a two-Test trip to New Zealand - where they have won just two Test matches in 19 attempts. Maximum points in New Zealand would take them to 61.1%, meaning they'll need help from the unfancied sides further down the table to shake up the competition.


4th - India - 52.08% of possible points
Remaining series: Bangladesh (away, two Tests), Australia (home, four Tests)

What they have to do: Play the percentages

Winning just four of their first nine matches in the cycle, losing three points due to over rate infringements, and watching Virat Kohli hand in his resignation, it's safe to say India’s start to WTC23 left a lot to be desired.

The side got their campaign back on track with a clean sweep of Sri Lanka, and there is hope the side can make a late charge with favourites tags in their final six matches.

Rohit Sharma's side should be too strong for neighbours Bangladesh even away from home, and history is on their side when Australia visit next year.

Should they claim maximum points, the scenario of an India v Pakistan World Test Championship final is by all means a strong possibility.


5th - Pakistan - 51.85% of possible points
Remaining series: England (home, three Tests), New Zealand (home, two Tests)

What they have to do: Stay strong at at home with the crowd behind them

At their best, Pakistan are at the very least a top-three WTC team, though a couple of slips may prevent Babar Azam’s side from a historic final appearance.

A one-wicket defeat to the West Indies in their opening series may come back to bite the side, who were unable to hold out a strong Australia, in what was the first series between the sides in Pakistan since 1998.

It’s not too late though, with their remaining five Test matches all at home against sides from outside the region. Five victories would take them to 69.05%, a percentage close to guaranteeing a final spot given high-flyers Australia and South Africa take on each other.

Abdullah Shafique (736 runs at 66.90) has become a key cog in the batting group, accompanying Babar (953 at 63.53) who has led his chargers with aplomb.


6th - West Indies - 50% of possible points
Remaining series: South Africa (away, two Tests), Australia (away, two Tests)

What they have to do: Make runs and make history away from home

The West Indies can finish on 65.38%, though would have to win all four matches in tough away conditions to seal an unlikely place in the WTC23 final.

Distancing themselves from the bottom of the table with a series win over England and a clean sweep against Bangladesh, there have been positive signs in the campaign for skipper Kraigg Brathwaite, even if it feels like a solo charge with the bat.

Brathwaite's 752 runs at 50.13 is by far and away the most by a West Indies player in the cycle, though the bowling load has been carried by several members of the group.


Remaining series: South Africa (home, three Tests), Pakistan (away, three Tests)

What they have to do: Prepare for the next cycle

While the side look a different proposition with a new coach and captain, it's too late for England to mount a challenge for a spot in the final.

At one stage stuck at the bottom of the table, England’s hopes of lifting the mace were arguably dashed as early as the unsuccessful Ashes series. Losing seven of 16 Test matches and deducted the equivalent of one win for multiple over rate infringements, the side will be watching the final from home.

This doesn't mean the backend of their campaign has no effect on WTC23 proceedings however.

They take on South Africa in three Tests at home, and could put a dent in the Proteas' chances of a final appearance.


Remaining series: Pakistan (away, two Tests), Sri Lanka (home, two Tests)

What they have to do: It’s a bridge too far already for last cycle’s champions

It’s been a death by a thousand cuts for the 2021 champions, who fell to Bangladesh at home, saw Ross Taylor bow out of the international game, and had their captain Kane Williamson sidelined with elbow trouble.

They Black Caps can only finish with a best percentage of 48.72%, well short of what's needed to feature in next year's final.

Remaining series: India (home, two Tests)

What they have to do: Out of the race, prepare for the next cycle

Bangladesh are a leading light in One Day International cricket, though the longest format has not been the Tigers' forte, with shaky batting preventing any World Test Championship push.

Batters in the team occupy just two of the top-40 run-scorers in the cycle, with Liton Das (883 runs at 49.05) and Mushfiqur Rahim (539 at 49.00) the only players to make any mark in the competition.

The side have not won a Test match at home in the competition thus far, though did surprise New Zealand in Mount Maunganui.

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