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Darren Lehmann warns Pakistan of "three times as much bounce in Adelaide than Dubai"

Junaids said:
Lehmann was expecting Irfan, and fully fit if Pakistan batted first they probably were 45% likely to win.

But with him out, I rate Pakistan 25% if they bat first and 10% if they bat second.
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The team does not revolve around Irfan.
Individual brilliance won't win you this game.
Team work is more important.
 
I am surprised Lehmann would even want to talk about the UAE after what happened to his team there so recently.
 
Oh man, we're definitely going to miss Irfan if this is the case. How much can Riaz do on his own?
 
If you think about it, the Aussie batters can practice v Starc and Johnson to prepare for Riaz and Rahat.

Irfan was the unprepare-able. Finch and Warner couldn't just come out and hit. Now they can.
 
Junaids said:
If you think about it, the Aussie batters can practice v Starc and Johnson to prepare for Riaz and Rahat.

Irfan was the unprepare-able. Finch and Warner couldn't just come out and hit. Now they can.
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This. Irfan is probably the most difficult pacer to prepare for, only Malinga comes close.
 
Scorpion said:
I thought Aus whitewashed Pak in ODIs and T20s in 2014 UAE series ?
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They did yeah, although there was actually one T20 so Im not sure that qualifies as a "whitewash". But it was all undone by the humiliation of the test series, after which some people started questioning Lehmann as coach.
 
Someone needs to squeeze Lehmann into a pulp.

Humble pie shall be served tomorrow.
 
we have played there before and adelaide is one of the slower aus wicket
 
What bounce Is he talking about?
So far I have seen Adelaide to be a sub continental track with less bounce. Infact that is the case in most of the grounds in this world cup. Hence why so many 300+ scores.
 
I just hope that after Pak win, the commentators and sky sports pundits don't over do it about "where did it go wrong for Australia" and give Pakistan credit.

Nothing worse than pundits forgetting about the winning team and soley concentrate on the deficiencies of the pre match favourite.
 
BTW, if Pakistan still doesn't know about the bounce there then they shouldn't be playing the cup atall.Its not like they just landed in Aus from UAE!
 
Adelaide is a comfortable bounce pitch, I would rather have our batsman play at Adelaide than Dubai where bounce can be unpredictable
 
ali2220 said:
Looks like your brain froze too in winnipeg.

BD was mainly talking about Pak recent record against Aus in ICC event, just like Indians keep talking about how India have done well against Pak in WC, no point providing stats of other ODs.

And yes Pak is likely to loose to Aus this time, as our team is inferior to the mighty Aussies.
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That's why he was talking about the test series against Australia in UAE and T-20 WC , where even Netherlands have beat England . Twice. Maybe you need to get your eyes checked.
 
ForeverIndian said:
That's why he was talking about the test series against Australia in UAE and T-20 WC , where even Netherlands have beat England . Twice. Maybe you need to get your eyes checked.
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Thats why i said he MAINLY talked about WC. Winnipeg is not even cold these days, i just came back from Brandon, are you really fine?
 
You will see Indians mentioning both T20, and WC's stats when India play Pak in WC, because India have done well, otherwise India has a poor record, likewise Pak have done relatively well against Aus in ICC tour.
 
ForeverIndian said:
And what wonders have pakistan done against australia in WCs ?
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Still don't understand? For a team that has an extremely poor record against Aus, they have a 50-50 record against them in WC, which is way better than their overall record.This is something that is giving some fans hope.

But like i said, Aus are way superior, Pak can't stop them, and i think India will fail against them too.
 
Too much bounce will even out the game. Pakistan don't score 300 on flat tracks. A low scoring game can work to our advantage

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Why do the Australian cricketing contingent always run their mouths off about the pitch? Makes them seem like one-trick ponies.
 
Adelaide as rarely had pace or bounce in the surface, if it has then our bowlers might enjoy it just as much as the Aussie bowlers.
 
I dont understand why in theory a so called green wicket is being prepared? This is a world cup so

1) Regardless of who is playing the surface should be one prepared for best cricket in mind and not one prepared to so called favour the hosts.

I really hope if a wicket to favour the Aussies is being prepared it backfires!
 
Dear Aussies

If you are so sure of winning, then why bother playing?
Yeah cup aap ka hua.
 
Just wondering if Pakistan have identified any players in the last year or so who would bat and bowl well in aussie (and NZ) conditions. Are there any lessons we can learn from India’s recent triumph.
 
gazza619 said:
Just wondering if Pakistan have identified any players in the last year or so who would bat and bowl well in aussie (and NZ) conditions. Are there any lessons we can learn from India’s recent triumph.
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Yes two players so far, Rizwan and Babar
 
gazza619 said:
Just wondering if Pakistan have identified any players in the last year or so who would bat and bowl well in aussie (and NZ) conditions. Are there any lessons we can learn from India’s recent triumph.
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Kamran ghulam hangs back a bit so should be good at pull n cut.
Arshad Iqbal's natural length is slightly shorter than rest of Pak bowlers plus he's accurate and tall so he can be useful in bouncy conditions
 
gazza619 said:
Just wondering if Pakistan have identified any players in the last year or so who would bat and bowl well in aussie (and NZ) conditions. Are there any lessons we can learn from India’s recent triumph.
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As I've previously pointed out, the biggest lesson any team can learn from India's recent triumph is the value of A team cricket and FC cricket. But especially A team cricket.

Pakistan have never in the past, and certainly won't in the near future invest money in A team tours that are necessary for young guys to evolve from domestic cricketers to international stars.

Furthermore, any top quality team is judged most of all by its bench strength. Pakistan doesn't have any bench strength to speak of and many issues in the first team like mediocre, underperforming openers who would be sitting ducks on any wicket in SENA or the fact that we don't have a third seamer who can pair up with Hasan Ali and Shaheen and actually be successful in a country like Australia.

Abbas would be a candidate but he is currently out of the team and its a long road back for him. And other than him there's no one out there who wouldn't get taken to the cleaners in SENA.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
As I've previously pointed out, the biggest lesson any team can learn from India's recent triumph is the value of A team cricket and FC cricket. But especially A team cricket.

Pakistan have never in the past, and certainly won't in the near future invest money in A team tours that are necessary for young guys to evolve from domestic cricketers to international stars.

Furthermore, any top quality team is judged most of all by its bench strength. Pakistan doesn't have any bench strength to speak of and many issues in the first team like mediocre, underperforming openers who would be sitting ducks on any wicket in SENA or the fact that we don't have a third seamer who can pair up with Hasan Ali and Shaheen and actually be successful in a country like Australia.

Abbas would be a candidate but he is currently out of the team and its a long road back for him. And other than him there's no one out there who wouldn't get taken to the cleaners in SENA.
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Pakistans strategy for developing good young players is awful

Like you said they dont orgainse A tours the are hesitant to give them a chance against the likes of zimbabwes of this world

How are they gonna compete abroad consistently when you dont look look to ease players in and give them the experience at the highest evel

Even a blind man can see we need a couple of extra seamers, openers and a extra middle order batsman or two so why arent they giving and developing new players for these roles?
 
Zaz said:
Pakistans strategy for developing good young players is awful

Like you said they dont orgainse A tours the are hesitant to give them a chance against the likes of zimbabwes of this world

How are they gonna compete abroad consistently when you dont look look to ease players in and give them the experience at the highest evel

Even a blind man can see we need a couple of extra seamers, openers and a extra middle order batsman or two so why arent they giving and developing new players for these roles?
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The thing that scares me (and I'm sure many others) is what happens if you give too many youngsters a chance against Zimbabwe and we end up losing to Zimbabwe? Because we have given youngsters chances against Zimbabwe and other teams and then what happened like on this very tour (and many other times in the past) is that we lost to Zimbabwe.

Clearly the problem is deeper in the mindset of the players who can't handle pressure regardless of the opposition. And there's no way to rectify that other than placing players in the closest thing to an international environment: A team cricket, and to some small extent the PSL.

If the people running Pakistan cricket had any vision or common sense they would have recognized the importance of A cricket long ago. But what the state of our current team shows us is that they all have no vision.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The thing that scares me (and I'm sure many others) is what happens if you give too many youngsters a chance against Zimbabwe and we end up losing to Zimbabwe? Because we have given youngsters chances against Zimbabwe and other teams and then what happened like on this very tour (and many other times in the past) is that we lost to Zimbabwe.

Clearly the problem is deeper in the mindset of the players who can't handle pressure regardless of the opposition. And there's no way to rectify that other than placing players in the closest thing to an international environment: A team cricket, and to some small extent the PSL.

If the people running Pakistan cricket had any vision or common sense they would have recognized the importance of A cricket long ago. But what the state of our current team shows us is that they all have no vision.
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If PCB arrange A tour Misbah will sent full strength team their too above 30+ squad with all the Ali's & ifti chachu
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
As I've previously pointed out, the biggest lesson any team can learn from India's recent triumph is the value of A team cricket and FC cricket. But especially A team cricket.

Pakistan have never in the past, and certainly won't in the near future invest money in A team tours that are necessary for young guys to evolve from domestic cricketers to international stars.

Furthermore, any top quality team is judged most of all by its bench strength. Pakistan doesn't have any bench strength to speak of and many issues in the first team like mediocre, underperforming openers who would be sitting ducks on any wicket in SENA or the fact that we don't have a third seamer who can pair up with Hasan Ali and Shaheen and actually be successful in a country like Australia.

Abbas would be a candidate but he is currently out of the team and its a long road back for him. And other than him there's no one out there who wouldn't get taken to the cleaners in SENA.
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Good analysis...bhai but you have left out U-19 tours. People underestimate this too much
U19 tours are very important to develp talent.
at one point in 90's or early 2000's I thought pak had good setup with the corporates cricket and funding. you had better players which were sponsored by the organisations they work for.
much better than in my country India. Where has that gone?
 
Pakhs said:
Yes two players so far, Rizwan and Babar
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Ahmed216 said:
Kamran ghulam hangs back a bit so should be good at pull n cut.
Arshad Iqbal's natural length is slightly shorter than rest of Pak bowlers plus he's accurate and tall so he can be useful in bouncy conditions
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RedwoodOriginal said:
As I've previously pointed out, the biggest lesson any team can learn from India's recent triumph is the value of A team cricket and FC cricket. But especially A team cricket.

Pakistan have never in the past, and certainly won't in the near future invest money in A team tours that are necessary for young guys to evolve from domestic cricketers to international stars.

Furthermore, any top quality team is judged most of all by its bench strength. Pakistan doesn't have any bench strength to speak of and many issues in the first team like mediocre, underperforming openers who would be sitting ducks on any wicket in SENA or the fact that we don't have a third seamer who can pair up with Hasan Ali and Shaheen and actually be successful in a country like Australia.

Abbas would be a candidate but he is currently out of the team and its a long road back for him. And other than him there's no one out there who wouldn't get taken to the cleaners in SENA.
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Perhaps too early to say but I think Arshad Iqbal and Dhani may be handy on bouncy tracks.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Good analysis...bhai but you have left out U-19 tours. People underestimate this too much
U19 tours are very important to develp talent.
at one point in 90's or early 2000's I thought pak had good setup with the corporates cricket and funding. you had better players which were sponsored by the organisations they work for.
much better than in my country India. Where has that gone?
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Pakistan actually does do U-19 tours from time to time and I would say more so than A tours. U-19 tours are undoubtedly important but thing is at the end of the day U-19 cricket is not exactly professional cricket. Its important in giving youngsters a taste of what international cricket might look like but at the end of the day they need to play List A and FC cricket to become professional cricketers.

In my opinion the hierarchy is U-19 cricket → Domestic cricket → A team cricket → International cricket
 
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